VTT29.com, the french 29ers web magazine, present 29ROCKS! Supported by SRAM & Asterion. DH session with CG "the artist" and Simon on the Ste-Maxime (south of France) DH track. Filmed and edited by Antoine Bussier (antoinebussier.fr) and Quentin Chevat (endurotribe.com)
Despite being an avid fan of the 26in wheel, and believe that it's still a more ideal setup for Freeride and DH I do have to say it's always fun watching riders pushing the sport, and I do have to say respect for these guys for doing something they thought worthwhile despite what the peanut gallery had to say about it.
'give 29" a try' theres virtually nothing to choose from as of now... im looking forward to when in a few years 29" is introduced to downhill bikes... ive allways thought this was a big fault in manufactuers im suprised i havent heard of any prototypes so far. (and a carbon dh fork that isnt invert)
eh. the riding looks a bit awkward...im sure if they got used to riding em for awhile and then they filmed it would look different. but for the most part the wheels look like they are getting in the way...
Um...There's been quite a few 29er prototype DH frames, and Mantiou offers the dorado in a 29er, and I believe white bros does as well. There's PLENTY to choose from, from hardtails to pure race XC bikes to DH bikes...The 29er market and selection is there...it's just failing.
i dont see why manitou would do that when there isnt a 29" dh frame unless your going to ride flat bars and no spacers (but that is how all of you yanks like it)
Apart from the prototypes already mentioned (like the Intense 2951), Lenz Sport has been making a DH 29er for some years now: www.lenzsport.com/detail.php?prodID=15
I see a lot of the lenz sports around here (they are a CO company) and I have heard great things from people riding em. I pedaled one around a bit and layed it over for a few turns, and the Geo is pretty good and it's surprisingly snappy. A lot of these guys who ride em have both, but I never see em ride the 26 anymore.....
Because Lenz only makes 29ers now. I didn't even think they made a 26 size bike. The owner is pretty chill though. See him at the Veloswap in Denver every year.
Cedric going for the v10.... and thinking 'Oh, 29er'... guy obviously takes acting classes!
And they looked fine, no doubt. But ride them at Champery or something. You could ride this trail on a hard tail.... I don't think 29er's and XC is a debate, they are proven but we ALL want to know - HOW DO THEY COMPARE IN DH.
Let's see an honest video comparing the same frame/rider/component/trail combo, just a 26inch edit and a 29er edit.
Its going to take riders doing testing for a weekend, riding the same piece of mountain repeatedly, on 7 to 8" travel 26 inch wheel bikes and whatever the closest wheel travel 29 inch wheel bikes can be had (5.5 inchers are easily and widely available now) and seeing how the timed runs vary. If the 5.5" travel 29ers beat the times of 8 inch travel 26ers, then the fight for which is best will be over and done with for the time being. Of course, should the 29ers win... the 26er peanut gallery will still cry foul over something about the test.
On the weekend I did a three hour race, I did nine or ten laps of a nice climb and then a very nice, not really technical but plenty-of-turns dowhill back to the start. There were these two guys I know are faster than me in a DH race so I let them in front of me on the descent. They held me up. I was on 26", they were on 29". Only once the trail straightened out did they start to slowly pull away from me.
And I was this || close to getting a 29er too. Now I'm this | | close.
I have nothing against 29'ers. It is a bike and all bikes are good, so no problem. What I do have a problem with is the industry trying to make out as if it is the 'future of mountain biking' so the have a completely new bike to sell.
I'm sure 29'ers are faster cross country and I am looking forward to having a go on one, but the future of mountain biking? Give me a break.
Also they look so shit in the air, even CG can't make em look good and that is saying something.
I agree with what you are saying, just not the language. Interesting to watch them riding an XC bike with Dh bars on, full face and a neck brace. The 29er has its place. XC racing, Enduro racing and Dh racing are currently not it. 40 year olds looking for a smoother rider though.... (I am not 40 yet, close, but not yet).
Nice ad, still don't see why I'd switch my 26" bike for a 29" which is obviously "their" goal. My 26" does everything I want it to be doing already and better than a 29". If they'd want to convince us, they need to show us someone winning an uci sanctionned dh race on a 29er or someone shredding sick freeride lines with them.
hahaha! Its sad but true.......just wait till the illuminati figures out how much mtn bikers dig hype and scenes, mabey thats whats up with he RACE FACE logo.....muwahahaha....
I think you've got that a bit wrong. I read an interview once with him and he was saying that he was quite the opposite. That's why he always had pretty low key Oakley clothes with very little in the way of other sponsors. His comment was that other people would put a label on their jersey for $500 and he would not. Perhaps he has changed out of necessity, but that was how he claimed to think in the past.
Well that's how it works and Gracia is also a big entertainer and ambassador of our sport. I like his attitude. He is built up his own team, supports younger riders especially from south america and is an absolute lad. He's just living the dream:
Especially for aggressive riding, the bottom line will always be that 26 is more fun. And anyone who thinks a 29er is gonna win a WC DH is naive, even on a course like PMB. I could see the 650b front wheel having some potential for DH, but increasing the size of the back wheel creates more disadvantages than advantages for DH racing and jumping.
29ers are going through a media hype phase right now, and it has made lots of people curious about trying to test their limits. Eventually they be niched into the XC world like bar ends and lycra.
Looking forward to seeing Cedric on a V10.
agreed. 26er DH for life, but a 29er is so great on xc and all-mountain rides. The people who hate on them haven't tried any of the newer geometry options out there like the bandit29 or prime.
Ive been riding a 29er for a couple years now and Id have to say its nice for XC and all mountain type stuff, but they're pretty damn awkward in the air. Definitely not comprable to a 26 inch bike. Future of MTB? I think not.
I've only just given up 24inch wheels for 26 inch wheels, anything bigger and they just look plain stupid and I wouldn't be able to ride a bike being a short ass. There's too many pointless standards and gimicks 29er being one of them.
leaving all the regular arguements aside, here is my reason for not wanting 29'ers. Actually, il rephrase that, here is my reason for not wanting another "standard" in MTB (edit: i got a little off topic, but i think i have a point)
look at headsets, first there was 1" threaded, then we went to 1 1/8", then we found threadless headsets (which are where we should have stopped) and now we have 4?? 5?? different "standard" threadless headset dimensions??? i mean..come on...giant bikes, why do we need a setup between 1 1/8 and 1 1/2 inch headsets?? do we really need a 1 1/4 headset??? NO WE DONT!!! here is the important bit....All these different "standards" make riding MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE!!!
OK, so headsets....you throw one on your bike and thats pretty much it for a few years usually...sounds simple right! WRONG!!! Because we have all these different"standards" it means that manufacturing companies (and retail/distribution companies) have to tool up to make all these different parts, when 2 (in my opinion a 1 1/8 and a 1 1/5 straight headtubes would be plenty of choice) would do fine. IF we only had these 2 types of headset, production companies would be able to seel the same parts cheaper simply due to economies of scale. Instead of walking into yur LBS and asking for some odd little part and being told "no", you could walk in and get a part that would suit your needs exactly.
this arguement doesnt just go for headsets, thats just what i picked up on....look at axle sizes, front and rear, BB's for christ sake...there must be 10,000 diferent measurement permutations....seatposts...handlebars...tyres..spokes...bearings....the list goes on and on and on down to the smallest detail!!!
Now dont get me wrong, there is a need for development and experimentation. I for one am glad im not riding the 50 pound clunkerz that MTB started out on in the hills above san francisco....but all these standards are just complicating the hell out of things....
i could go on, but my battery is dead....
don't forget the front derailleur, there are whole charts to figure which is required, the new standards are fine when the bike is new but when you need replacement parts is when the brain ache starts
i wonder how much is progress and how much is hype with 8% stiffer etc. It is getting pretty complex, and in turn more $ shops can't stock all of the various bits and if you choose a "standard" that dosent catch on down the pipe you will be very frustrated.
I learned this harsh lesson with a fisher mountainbike with all sorts of wierd stds inclluding a very odd bb
ABSOLUTELY!!.....the list goes on and on...it can almost cover every single aspect of a bicycle. "standards" that dont catch on just adds more weight to the arguement. Say you buy a new giant bike with a 1 1/4 steerer, that makes it almost impossible to upgrade your fork...you might be able to get a new fork to fit, but how do you sell the old fork??? How many other people need that type of fork...about 4!!!!
You're right... progress is terrible. We should all go back to riding fully rigid bikes with 1" quill stems and 1.5" tires. While we're at it we should stripe fuel injection from all our cars and go back to carb's... yank the CD players in favor of 8-tracks...
Proves nothing for me - I've seen Cedric ride a £500 hardtail down stuff that most people wouldn't pilot an 8in DH bike. The riders have the talent - not the big wheels, I'm still sitting on the fence with the old 29-er. That and I can't be arsed building "another" bike
everyone keeps talking about waiting for a 29er DH bike, and although i see the possibility, i can't see it being a probability in the near future. there are a couple of factors with 29ers that don't lend them to being good DH bikes. first of which is that the big wheels are naturally heavier and because of the longer spokes they are weaker than the equivalent 26 wheel as well. secondly, the frame has to be larger proportionally to accommodate the bigger wheels, which also adds weight. the advantages of a larger contact patch and rolling over bigger objects are pretty much cancelled out by those factors alone. XC is a completely different story however. I'm really not trying to downplay the chance of a 29er DH, I'm just being honest with my opinions. and for anyone who will say I'm just a 29er hater, i ride one.
iv rode a few 29s and they sucked . simply to big and awkward . maybe there faster in a strait line for all the xc whores . or maybe if your a really tall person i could see it being usefull .
XC whores? alright look you narrow minded f*ck, i'm trying to be helpful and offer a constructive opinion here. lets face it, 29ers don't belong in DH right now, and they probably won't for a while, but they have changed the game in the world of XC biking. and yes i do ride XC. there are other forms of biking that are equally enjoyable as DH/FR.
well this is my constructive opinion . i know someone close to me who is a 29 xc whore . he is always crashing in the corners . partly due to his skill but its pretty obvious a lot of it has to to with riding the big 29 . like i said before iv rode a 29 and yes they are better at rolling long distance ill give it that . but they handle like a big dog turd i mean cmon . im not narrow minded just realistic . if you ride a 29 your are xc whore
i do ride a 29er XC. and youre an asshole. mine has the gary fisher designed G2 geometry and it rides very similarly to my old 26er, except better. i can guarantee you that my 29er hardtail is capable of keeping up with and beating any similarly priced 26er hardtail, even when the trail gets narrow and curvy. i don't try to force my choice to ride a 29er on other people. I'm just stating the facts, and the facts are 29ers make excellent bikes. if you got a chance to ride mine you would agree, or at least think a bit higher of 29ers than you do now. all i'm saying is keep an open mind.
sorry not tryin to make you mad callin you a xc whore , that should be a complement if you like it . are you a tall person ? i mean who knows maybe one day 29s will blow my mind . for now thought i simply think there to big for myself and a lot of the people out there riding them .
i guess... well i'm 6'0" and my bike fits me well. like i said, i do think 29ers should stay in XC and AM until the technology can catch up to the push for a full DH capable bike, and that may be several more years. as far as riding, maybe it does help to be relatively tall, but then again i wouldn't know what it feels like to ride a 29er if i was 5'7" for example. i guess i assumed it would feel the same, but it probably wouldn't.
Rember the 24" wheel for mountin bikeing it was all the rage back when it was new now look no one bothers with it now so now its the 29" wheel rage this will die off too 26" wheels is the best size all round for bikeing why do you think the 26" wheel has been on mountin bikes since they first come out... the 29" wheel is just a new fashion craze for the fashion police and will in a few years die off 26" wheels you carnt improve on profection sorry
29"Dh rig would suit a lanky person over 7ft but me at 6ft my med 26" DH bike is just right a 29" Dh rig would be massiv and thats no good on a tight DH track 29er for xc might work well but xc riders are fags anyway keep your 29ers no one like the xc boys anyway and stop going on about 29" give it ten years and ther will be a new size and craze
I wonder when someone will connect the huge wheels on drag race sleds to 29" mountain bikers. The first thing that comes to mind after that is that they'll only be fast in a straight line and on longer rides.
I have tried a 29er and on certain terrain I did like it. But when it came to shredding some corners, then the 26" wheels were just more nimble and more fun. I ride for fun.
One more propagfanda movie to make me think that 29ers are the best thing that could ever happen to anybody and I'll delete my account on PB. Even Cedric has trouble to make riding this bike steezy,so what da hell...??
-Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er! -No thanks...
this isn't propaganda... it's just a fun video with bikes that happen to be 29ers. nobody is forcing you to buy one and the video is not bashing 26ers, so why you mad though?
ok firstly CG is the MAN ! lol 2ndly... the wheels look too big, haha, but i can deffo see how they would helop in XC having riden 24" last year till i got my 26" wheels. you dont realise how much of a difference there is till u use the 26" so i imagine theres a huge step p to 29" too. if that makes any sense ? buuut for DH i duno :S
29" wheels stick to XC... 650b is the next thing ..such a happy medium for a bigger wheel option ..sOOO mUCH STRONGER LATERALLY ..most of the time fits on standard fox forks with a kenda nevegal 2.3..I'm Currently on a Santa Cruz Nomad with stans flow 650 rims front and rear No rub on seat tube under full compression and plenty clearance on the front end as well.. Rolls so much better than the 26 and my tallboy..and not to mention I'm rolling with 6" and a bigger wheel.. 650b ...650b...650b
1. As most XC riders seem to be obssessed with weight surely a bigger wheel is heavier?
2. A smaller wheel gives a lower centre of gravity so therefore better balance and manouverabilty (sp?) Obviously there is a limit to how small to make a wheel before it affects acceleration & speed. I've ridden trails in morzine on 24in wheels & they are not as fast as 26 but make throwing your bike around alot easier.
It would be much more pleasant to watch without that annoying blue frame at the top and the bottom IMO... it takes away half of the charm of watching CG rippin' down this great trail. Awesomeness.
@deeeight . Here we go again,the useless canadian that wants an arm and a leg for his old parts. Give me your address so i can send you some current stuff ,if money is that you want all you have to do is ask.
So rad!!! It looks like someone forget to tell Ceddy all the hype about how 29'ers suck and are just a marketing gimic and they can't shred and blah blah blah...
They already do 24" BMX's....Apart from the Race Cruisers, "Sunday" have a model out that rides like a 20" but is more stable if you want to ride bigger jumps. Know a few people who have ridden one and they really like them. Yet to try it myself. www.sundaybikes.com/catalog/frames/plus-4
Having owned an XC Marin 29er and done enough research, i know that niners are much more helpful in crossx than they are in downhill. Im sure youve heard that 29ers roll much move faster on XC than they do in DH, well this is true. also, the downhill bikes have not yet changed their geometry to have a substantial benefit. On the other hand XC bikes, such as:Gary Fisher, Trek, etc, have looked into it and started expirementing with it. I look forward to seeing a great DH 29er in the next years.
you probably don't ride XC very often. i suggest having an open mind about new ideas. just try a 29er for XC. they are actually so good! i agree that 29ers aren't suited for DH/FR, but they have actually changed the game for XC/AM
yeah i'm not a fan of city bikes. that's why i decided to build my own based on a trek 4300. if you wanted to check it out, i have a photo album of the build, but i'm really not expecting you to... it was just a fun project that i decided to do because i'm going to college in a few months and i wanted an urban bike. thanks for keeping an open mind about 29ers though.
ALL THE COMPLAINERS AND MOANERS GOIN ON ABOUT 29ERS THIS 29ERS THAT FUCKIN JEALOUS I THINK .
I LIKED THE VIDEO WISH A WAS OUT THERE IN THE SUNSHINE ENJOYING MYSELF.
So gonna give 29 a try in the future
Pretty rare and boutique though
you commented 'none of the pros are riding them' on a video about pros riding 29ers?
And they looked fine, no doubt. But ride them at Champery or something. You could ride this trail on a hard tail....
I don't think 29er's and XC is a debate, they are proven but we ALL want to know - HOW DO THEY COMPARE IN DH.
Let's see an honest video comparing the same frame/rider/component/trail combo, just a 26inch edit and a 29er edit.
Let's put this thing to bed once and for all
And I was this || close to getting a 29er too. Now I'm this | | close.
I'm sure 29'ers are faster cross country and I am looking forward to having a go on one, but the future of mountain biking? Give me a break.
Also they look so shit in the air, even CG can't make em look good and that is saying something.
Interesting to watch them riding an XC bike with Dh bars on, full face and a neck brace.
The 29er has its place. XC racing, Enduro racing and Dh racing are currently not it.
40 year olds looking for a smoother rider though.... (I am not 40 yet, close, but not yet).
videos.mtb-news.de/videos/view/16013/h
www.pinkbike.com/video/133072
www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Cedric-Gracia-on-the-current-state-of-4X,7400/bturman,109
Oh and he did the Maxiavalanche La Reunion on a 29er but got a puncture xD.
look at headsets, first there was 1" threaded, then we went to 1 1/8", then we found threadless headsets (which are where we should have stopped) and now we have 4?? 5?? different "standard" threadless headset dimensions??? i mean..come on...giant bikes, why do we need a setup between 1 1/8 and 1 1/2 inch headsets?? do we really need a 1 1/4 headset??? NO WE DONT!!! here is the important bit....All these different "standards" make riding MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE!!!
OK, so headsets....you throw one on your bike and thats pretty much it for a few years usually...sounds simple right! WRONG!!! Because we have all these different"standards" it means that manufacturing companies (and retail/distribution companies) have to tool up to make all these different parts, when 2 (in my opinion a 1 1/8 and a 1 1/5 straight headtubes would be plenty of choice) would do fine. IF we only had these 2 types of headset, production companies would be able to seel the same parts cheaper simply due to economies of scale. Instead of walking into yur LBS and asking for some odd little part and being told "no", you could walk in and get a part that would suit your needs exactly.
i wonder how much is progress and how much is hype with 8% stiffer etc. It is getting pretty complex, and in turn more $ shops can't stock all of the various bits and if you choose a "standard" that dosent catch on down the pipe you will be very frustrated.
I learned this harsh lesson with a fisher mountainbike with all sorts of wierd stds inclluding a very odd bb
Although I am not a 29r believer (have heard the same amount of good and bad comments about them) I will give them a try soon.
Can´t talk good or bad if I have not ridden one.
Still, they look kind of strange...
The riders have the talent - not the big wheels, I'm still sitting on the fence with the old 29-er.
That and I can't be arsed building "another" bike
like i said before iv rode a 29 and yes they are better at rolling long distance ill give it that . but they handle like a big dog turd i mean cmon . im not narrow minded just realistic . if you ride a 29 your are xc whore
Even Cedric has trouble to make riding this bike steezy,so what da hell...??
-Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er! Buy a 29er!
-No thanks...
2ndly... the wheels look too big, haha, but i can deffo see how they would helop in XC having riden 24" last year till i got my 26" wheels. you dont realise how much of a difference there is till u use the 26" so i imagine theres a huge step p to 29" too. if that makes any sense ? buuut for DH i duno :S
fox forks with a kenda nevegal 2.3..I'm Currently on a Santa Cruz Nomad with stans flow 650 rims front and rear No rub on seat tube under full compression and plenty clearance on the front end as well.. Rolls so much better than the 26 and my tallboy..and not to mention I'm rolling with 6" and a bigger wheel.. 650b ...650b...650b
1. As most XC riders seem to be obssessed with weight surely a bigger wheel is heavier?
2. A smaller wheel gives a lower centre of gravity so therefore better balance and manouverabilty (sp?) Obviously there is a limit to how small to make a wheel before it affects acceleration & speed. I've ridden trails in morzine on 24in wheels & they are not as fast as 26 but make throwing your bike around alot easier.
;D
great bike, i hope it'll be out! For now, banshee 29'ers are pretty robust!
Here we go again,the useless canadian that wants an arm and a leg for his old parts.
Give me your address so i can send you some current stuff ,if money is that you want all you have to do is ask.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjOnC2u6-rg
this video is proof positive that the best wheel for DH is the round variety.
mildly amusing blog: thestig04.pinkbike.com/blog/Bringing-Frankenstein-to-Life.html