e*thirteen XCX-ST Guide Review

Jan 31, 2011 at 0:07
Jan 31, 2011
by Mike Levy  
 
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e*thirteen's XCX-ST lightweight guide is designed for those XC and trail riders who have converted to a 1by setup on their bikes and want a simple chain retention solution.



e*thirteen XCX-ST


e*thirteen's XCX-ST guide is a simple single ring solution for XC and trail riders
e*thirteen's XCX-ST guide is a simple single ring solution for XC and trail riders


What is it: e*thirteen's solution for those who run a single ring, but don't need the protection and weight of a full sized chain guide. The XCX-ST is a compact, seat tube mounted guide, ideal for bikes that use press-fit bottom bracket bearings, that makes use of an upper slider for chain retention - there is no lower roller or guard. This is not the guide for those who send jumps or session stunts, don't go putting this on your 7" travel play bike just because it's light as hell. But if you run a 1by setup on your XC or trail bike, and are looking for a lightweight option, this could be it. With the availability and cost of wide range, 10 speed cassettes improving all the time, a single ring user no longer has to have the legs of a National XC champion, although local terrain will always play a part in gearing choice. A reasonably fit XC rider can now seriously consider an 11-36t cassette spread combined with a single 32 tooth ring up front, and that is exactly who the XCX-ST guide is aimed at.

<span style='font-size:22px'>XCX-ST details:</span><br><br>- Designed for XC use<br>-  Clamps to seat tube in place of a front derailleur<br>- Lightweight guide that uses only an upper slider<br>- Adjustable chainline via eccentric cams (<I>50-53mm</I>)<br>- Works with 32T - 44T chainrings<br>- Split upper slider so you don't have to break your chain<br>- Can replace chainring without needing to remove slider<br>- Captive alloy hardware<br>- 7075 aluminum backplate<br>- Available in both high and low mount clamp backplates<br>- 75 grams (<I>High mount, 34.9mm shims</I>)<br>- Available in black or white<br>- MSRP $$99.95 USD
XCX-ST details:

- Designed for XC use
- Clamps to seat tube in place of a front derailleur
- Lightweight guide that uses only an upper slider
- Adjustable chainline via eccentric cams (50-53mm)
- Works with 32T - 44T chainrings
- Split upper slider so you don't have to break your chain
- Can replace chainring without needing to remove slider
- Captive alloy hardware
- 7075 aluminum backplate
- Available in both high and low mount clamp backplates
- 75 grams (High mount, 34.9mm shims)
- Available in black or white
- MSRP $$99.95 USD


The details: The XCX-ST is designed to be very minimalistic, but still rugged enough to stand up to proper XC riding, and even some aggressive trail or enduro use. The mounting bracket is hinged, as opposed to being a two piece design, and machined from 7075 aluminum. It's been made in such a way to minimize flex - the guide needs to be as rigid as possible - but at the same time, it's light, at only 75 grams. The polycarbonate slider is the very same as found on e*thirteen's popular LG1+ guide, and is keyed with the aluminum mounting bracket to prevent it from rotating. There has been quite a bit of detail work put into this small guide that is only apparent upon closer inspection. Not only has the mounting bracket been relieved of any unneeded material, but the XCX-ST also uses very chi-chi anodized aluminum captive hardware to keep the small bits from rolling under your work bench, never to be seen again. The slider uses a honeycomb construction for its inner half, keeping the grams to a minimum, but the strength high. Chainline is anything but standard from bike to bike, but e*thirteen has designed the XCX-ST to work well with standard 50-53mm setups by way of adjustable eccentric shims that are used between the clamp and your bike's seat tube. This system also allows you to fine tune the guide's position with no set stops in-between, a nice point considering the amount of funky bottom bracket, crankset, and ring combinations out there. As long as your chainline is nothing too out of the ordinary, the XCX-ST should mount up easily. Those with older bikes and drivetrains may want to check out the BB mounted XCX guide that fits 49mm chainlines, but you may be in for some tinkering if your bike utilizes the older 47.5mm number. The shape of the slider is designed to work with any ring size between 32 and 44 teeth - I bolted up e*thirteen's sharp looking red anodized 33t Guidering to complete the package.

The XCX-ST uses a hinged bracket (<I>top left</I>) that makes installation a breeze. The polycarbonate slider (<I>top right</I>) is the exact same as used on the LG1+, including the honeycomb construction. It is shaped to work 32 - 44 tooth chainrings and is adjusted vertically by loosening only a single bolt (<I>bottom left</I>)
The XCX-ST uses a hinged bracket (top left) that makes installation a breeze. The polycarbonate slider (top right) is the exact same as used on the LG1+, including the honeycomb construction. It is shaped to work 32 - 44 tooth chainrings and is adjusted vertically by loosening only a single bolt (bottom left)


Installation is very about as straightforward as you'd expect. The XCX-ST is available in two very different configurations: a low mount and a high mount version. This refers to the height of the slider in relation to the guide's seat tube clamp, and is important to note because many bikes are only compatible with one type. As a general rule, whatever mounting type of front derailleur your bike would use is the same mounting that the XCX-ST will use. The guide was put through its paces on my rolling testbed, a Trek Remedy, so the model tested was the high mount version. Because the slider can be split by removing the single mounting bolt, there is no need to break your chain (although you will need to shorten it if you are going from a double or triple setup to a single ring) to install the XCX-ST. Once attached, adjusting the guide's chainline is pretty self explanatory: rotate the eccentric plastic shims until the desired position is achieved. They can be a bit hard to turn with just your fingers, although there are pin spanner holes to make it easier. There is a very fine line in regards to the perfect position; I set the angle of the slider up so that it just clears that chain when in the largest cog, but the chain still made light contact with the guide when in the 11 tooth cog. I was never able to fully dial out the slight contact when in this gear, but I'm not in the 11 tooth cog often, and when I am, I'm not concerned with the the very small amount of drag. There will certainly be those out there who will be, but do keep in mind that it is much less friction than even the best set up chain guide could ever hope for.

An open window on the side of the slider lets mud clear quickly to keep it from packing up
An open window on the side of the slider lets mud clear quickly to keep it from packing up


Performance: In the case of the XCX-ST, less is more. The 75 gram, pocket sized guide worked well, despite it seeing more abuse on my 6" travel bike than e*thirteen probably intended. It doesn't keep chain noise to a minimum like a full sized guide would, but there is also basically zero drivetrain friction when using the XCX, something that a proper DH style guide could only dream of. Trail conditions are atrocious right now, which is the norm for our local mountains during this time of the year, but it performed well despite the slop. Not even a thick and heavy mix of mud and snow could jam things up, certainly proving that simple and well designed parts have their advantages. The slider itself never shifted once, nor did the clamp ever rotate on the seat tube, the XCX-ST was as set-and-forget as you could hope for. One caveat: back pedaling over rough terrain, something that is needed from time to time in order to get the desired pedal position, can derail the chain from the bottom 2/3rds of the ring. I never managed to have it come off the ring completely, The XCX's slider always prevented that from happening, and I always had it back on within seconds by putting in a pedal stroke, but therein lies the XCX's fly in the ointment; because it is a minimalist guide sans a lower roller, it will always be susceptible to this snag. For this reason, I wouldn't recommend the XCX-ST to those who frequent rough terrain - check out e*thirteen's LG1+ if that sounds like you. Chain guides as a group are a very specialized piece of equipment, but the XCX guide is even more so.

The XCX-ST works as advertised and is well suited for XC and trail riders who have made the jump to a 1by setup. It's not only much lighter than a full guide, but also doesn't have the drivetrain friction associated with a heavier DH orientated system. It will pay dividends to be honest with your riding if you are considering picking up an XCX-ST guide; this isn't the unit for riders looking to lose grams from their long travel bikes or for those who's terrain is gnarly and rough. But it could be just the ticket for many XC racers or fit casual riders that are looking for a lightweight guide alternative for their trailbike.

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150 Comments

  • + 30
 100 dollars??? Thats some expensive plastic.
  • + 18
 but it has gold bolts!
  • + 7
 Agree it's a total rip off. It's just a plastic front mech cage
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  • + 13
 £80 from CRC - I can jam up my existing front mech for free.
  • + 20
 80 for such a small piece of plastic crap, why is everything so overpriced these days? this shit is worth 30 quid max
  • + 4
 superstar components do 'em
  • + 7
 Yeah superstars own is £14 and looks good. the main difference is that it's bb mounted. id go for that
  • + 3
 E13 is a hype machine...
  • + 1
 i got my proper chain guide for half that...
  • - 2
 Quid? What is this? Middle Earth?
  • + 4
 yeh we also deal with trolls toe nails, theyre like equivilant to a $50 note, cos theyre so hard to get. a troll's head is equivilent to a suitcase of cash. a troll's bell end is equivalent to one dollar. everyone knows, theyre an easy catch...

but really a quid is like you saying 'buck' ..slang for pound
  • + 1
 Even us Australians use 'quid', but it is not interchangeable with dollars - mostly in expressions like "I wouldn't ride an Ellsworth for quids!"
  • + 5
 ah right. we say it when we dont wanna sound posh, "what what? 80 pounds? not on your nelly" which translates to "80 quid? f*ck off..."
  • + 0
 Dang? Were you guys in Lord of the Rings?
  • + 3
 Too right! Raleighvoid was one of the Nazgul ripping through the forest in the horse chase scene (he LET her get away cause it was in the script!) and I played one of the ugly bastards hammering ales in the Prancing Pony.
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  • + 9
 superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=362
*cough* £14GBP *cough*
Essentially the same thing, but cost-relative. I'm running it 1x9 XT and there isn't a hint of chain rub. Looks just as slick, simple and hasn't let me down yet. I'm not a fan of the seller/distributor much, but the kit works...
  • + 2
 Thats value for money! Even looks better.
  • + 3
 And not all the bikes are compatible with this e*thirteen crap!!!
  • + 4
 ive heard 1x9 is better. it makes your legs stronger, and your wallet fuller Razz
  • + 1
 For all the riding I do, it absolutely makes sense. I've had long and short travel full suspension bikes with triple and double ring setups and found that in the end I didn't shift from the middle ring or need the rear suspension. I also only weigh 8.5st and my commute to work is a 20 mile round trip, so I'm confident in my general fitness and leg strength as it stands (no pun intended). But you're not wrong regarding the financial aspect of it; I've maybe only saved £££ on a left shifter pod, front mech and additional rings, see also my motivation for buying the Superstar guide, but I don't have a lot of money so those savings allowed me invest in better parts elsewhere.
  • + 3
 the key is that no *dis*assembly is required to install the e13 and you can easily adjust the chainline
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  • + 6
 @ Mike Levy, the author of this review: What are you doing? You were handed a peice if moulded plastic that retails for $100 dollars and you seemed to have completely missed the obvious and logical reaction of - 'WTF!?!?!?, ok I'll review it but I'm gonna slate E13 for being greedy f**kers!'.
I've been seeing a lot of pricing apathy developing in recent years, I got into quite an argument with a pro DHer I know about it actually. They didn't see the problem, even when I suggested that it's easy for sponsored riders and rich people to loose perspective on what should be an industry for the riders, by the riders.
I don't care if this peice of plastic cleans itself and works forever, it's not worth a quarter of the asking price! You've spent most of your review elaborating on how this expensive, static copy of a front mech is the solution for many riders out there. All you're doing is colluding in E13's quest to line their own pockets.
Product reviews should question the ridiculous as well as praise the sensible and progressive. Riders, including myself, are getting sick and tired of biking press becoming shills for the larger companies in the industry! If you want respect then act like a rider and tell it as it is, good or bad!
This is, for the most part, a stupid product. It's the cycling equivalent of the tongue scraper on the back of your toothbrush. There always seems to be somebody somewhere spewing out this kind of crap to justify their job. Disappointing, very disappointing!
  • + 1
 Stuey I couldnt agree more, at first glance you think hey thats kind of cool BUT! why would you want this when it literally cost e13 5 dollars to make and 5 to ship, 30% profit to the middle man or shop and 70% profit to e13.... 99.99$ is just no effing way... spend less money on your flashing packaging and including stickers with your chain guides e13 because 100 bucks is way way way way way tooo much, plain and simple... you can get an XTR front der for the same price!!! then potentially just gears later plus.... with this e13 chain guide you cannot run a bash ring. If I could run my bash ring and this chain guide I may have considered it until I saw the price tag. But to get something that only keeps your chain from jumping means I want the option to run a bash ring.... so I have just gotten a Jump stop.... they are 19.99 and are very effective if installed correctly from the git-go.

If the bike biz wants to make it work stop charging more for parts/components then people pay for motorcycles.... stop making hundreds of thousands of products that are only sold for pennies on the dollar on price point and jensen and actually influence and control the market.... its still capitalism but goddamn...
  • - 1
 @StueySasquach,

Are you kidding me? I told you what the product does good and bad, as well as it's drawbacks and who should or should not use it, and the MSRP. You decide if you want to lay out the cash for it, if not, don't. You have all the facts at your disposal.. There are those who will want to buy it.
  • + 5
 To me an essential part of a good review is comparison to the the best in class (both absolute and value for money). Without that I'm non the wiser as to whether it's truly a good, or good value for money, product. Sadly this is pretty rare in the bike press, and many reviews read like an advert.
  • + 5
 word, bang for the buck is never going to be expressed, make a damn excel spread sheet and graph the differences in products.... strength, performance (various conditions) costs, ease of install I donno, I too have been noticing the increasing product pitch on PB these days its getting a bit old. Its the rider and not the bike remember.
  • + 1
 Mike, I'm sorry but personally I think your review is simply following the current trend for the subjective. This is a piece of plastic resembling a front mech. And I presume you are a rider, so why didn't you write the review based on that? Because any true rider should recognise when something is a total rip off.
There are some very functional, productive trend in MTBing. Then there are marketing ploys like this. They seem to occur on a fairly regular basis. A rider's response to such products demonstrates either how clued up or how niave they are. For example, as many people have commented, there are significantly cheaper alternatives to this offering. E13 are obviously resting on their laurels by producing a plastic, static front cage; putting their symbol on it and then over inflating the price to an intelligence insulting level.
You are probably right when you say there are people who want to buy this. Just like there are people out there that listen to sh*t auto-tuned, overly processed 'music'. Or watch any crap that is on the TV. It doesn't make it sensible or intelligent. Anybody who wants to buy this is probably just a bit stupid and gullible when it comes to the bike industry.
So there you go, my review of your review. What we both have in common is that we are just passing our own opinion about something. My point is that you have been given a position of relative responsibility and it seems you've failed to deliver a balanced piece.
  • + 1
 @StueySasquach,

I installed it, rode it, and wrote about it... "failed to deliver a balanced piece."? I wrote that it had drag that I was never able to dial out (not a good thing for the XC-type bike that it will probably end up on), and that it wasn't able to keep my chain on the bottom half of the ring on rough terrain. Both are pretty big points of contention for a chain guide. And just to clear it up for you, e.13 has never advertised with us.

It doesn't resemble a front derailleur at all. The slider is shaped to keep the chain on, not move it back and forth. Locking out your front derailleur is not the proper solution if you want a 1 x 9 setup for any length of time.
  • + 0
 My original comments stand. I'm not retracting them. And I have to say that if you don't think it resembles a front mech, you need glasses. And it is a rip off, pure and simple. The lack of a mention from you regarding that is the biggest failure of your review.
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  • + 7
 Not a single word about the fact that it's extremely expensive compared to multiple much cheaper products that do the same exact thing. The embodiment of Pinkbike adver-testing.
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  • + 10
 Sweet, a plastic DMR chain-cage for 5 times the price.
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  • + 5
 The review missed the point that this is designed for press-fit BBs where a BB mounted guide won't work. Some cheapo BB-mounted Superstar guide will not work on my 2011 Trance X!

Also, I would buy E13 because Phil (philw86) from E13 gets on the mechanics forums and answers people's questions. He has been very helpful to pinkbike members. I've never seen anyone from MRP, Gamut, Blackspire, or Superstar answering peoples questions. Support the people that support you.
  • + 3
 @iamamodel,

Reread please.. "The XCX-ST is a compact, seat tube mounted guide, ideal for bikes that use press-fit bottom bracket bearings, that makes use of an upper slider for chain retention - there is no lower roller or guard"

Agreed on how e.13's customer service, especially in the forums, is a huge bonus.
  • + 4
 Perhaps many people, like myself, missed that glaring point whilst caught in the headlights of the price tag. I wonder if there's motivation for the likes of Superstar to manufacture a similar product, then the arguments wouldn't be so moot. Without doubt though, bikes and bits are just getting 'unfortunately' expensive.
  • + 1
 Inner bash from bbg still does the job better and way cheaper.

www.bbgbashguard.com/Mountainbike.html
  • + 2
 They might not have a pinkbike presence, but Superstar have a FB page where they answer questions and stuff if you ask which is pretty good.
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  • + 5
 How is it possible that this is more expensive that a lot of front derailleurs? This thing has no moving parts and is made out of plastic?? If you have ordered or have one then you are just encouraging the continually climbing prices of bike parts. And are a complete mug!!
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  • + 7
 Dont give a shit what the bolts are ! This is super expensive for a plastic like this i wish your company get bankruptcy because you are super money-grubber FU !
  • + 10
 Feel free to not buy it.
  • + 13
 "Feel free to not buy it"

And I'm sure every sane person will do just that.
  • + 4
 E.13 for life! All their stuff is godly!
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  • + 5
 Hey all you Pinkbiker's. Do you think E13 has read these reviews? I think the take home message is "great idea" but we don't like being "raped" on pricing. I think the E13 marketing people better re-think that pricing. I think if we let these companies know how we feel about their pricing (way too high) maybe they'll look at adjusting it to come in line with reality. And just maybe a properly priced product will sell because the masses can afford it. The product that Superstar points out is a great product at 1/5th the price. Hellllooo E13.
  • + 0
 I thoroughly agree bud, although there will always be idiots out there willing to pay these ridiculous prices purely for exclusivity and I think thats who E13 must be aiming their products at . . . .
  • + 0
 Guys, E.13 is actually a pretty small company and they can't afford to price their products any lower than they already are. Maybe you're unclear on how bike companies' pricing works? E.13 can only sell their products for so cheap in order to have a decent profit margin so everyone can make some money. Superstar is a way larger company so they can afford to make a cheaper product and charge less for it.
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  • + 7
 angry angry angry angry ggrrrrrr!
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  • + 3
 $100? please turn the cnc machine off when the basic structure is done and take away all the fancy molding on the cage along with the mud catcher "window" and save us all some money.
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  • + 2
 yeah its pretty expensive, but the seat tube bit is machined from 7075 billet. thats really expensive to do. but at the end of the day i still dont see the point spending that much for it anyways as everyone has already pointed out the chaper alternatives.
  • + 2
 At the end of the day it is a good moment to ask yourself why do you need such a bit made out of such high quality 7075 billet?! It is like anodizing fork internals and laser itching stuff on them. We are totaly running into over development in bicycle design. This Fox titanium crown and steerer - WTF?! Who needs that?
  • + 2
 I could understand if it was lighter, but the Superstar BB mount equivalent is £14 (£66 cheaper) and weighs exactly the same as this one.
  • + 1
 i'm guessing many people would need to pay the tech at the LBS to install/adjust the superstar equivalent... pretty much anyone with a simple screwdriver could easily install the e13 by their self within a few minutes.
  • + 1
 All you need is a Bottom Bracket tool though. Even with the labour cost of having it fitted at a shop or the price of a BB tool, the Superstar version is still going to be alot cheaper.
  • + 1
 this one would have to be much stiffer than the superstar one tho. i dunno if that'd make it work 66quid better, but its definitely a better design. pitty its just so damn expensive to machine out all that much metal to make it to that design. but like has already been said in these comments many times, a jammed front derailleur is probably just as stiff as this...
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  • + 2
 The major drawback about this item is its limited amount of chainline adjustment. Most 1x9- / 1x10-rs would like a narrow chainline for trailriding as the lightest gears are used the most.
The paul components us-made chain keeper one allows this, and it`s half the price
  • + 2
 Mike - please repost the review April 1, 2011.
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  • + 1
 In defense of the review by Pinkbike (of this clearly extortunate product) - people shouldknow that no review is impartial.
The people who write reviews want brands to advertise with them, i.e. pay them.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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  • + 1
 I have been running the bottom bracket mount version on my 29er for over a year now and love it. I have never dropped a chain even on the roughest trails on my hardtail, and it is totally silent, once set up right. It took a few attempts to get it set up so it wouldn't rub, but spending the time to set it up was worth it.
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  • + 5
 its simple..... i want it! Big Grin
  • + 6
 This + 10 speed cassette = BOOM!

Just what I've been after for the past few years Smile
  • + 5
 Doesn't 1x10 lead to some crappy chainlines at the extremes of the cassette?
  • + 4
 I can't believe this haven't been thought of earlier.
  • + 15
 As another option you could just adjust your limit screws in and lock your front derailleur in place to perform nearly the same function. You get to ditch the front shifter and cable that way too.
  • + 9
 A ten speed cassette is only a little, if at all, wider than a 9 speed. the chain and cogs are just narrower. So 1x10 wont have any worse a chainline than 1x9.
  • + 4
 They have thought of this earlier, Paul Components makes an all billet aluminum one that looks almost the same and its cheaper!
  • + 4
 hustler - of course you can, but front derailleur won't keep your chain on place as well as a chainguide will. I've ridden single ring with a locked front derailleur and the chain did tend to go off the chainring at times. Now I'm using only the upper chainguide and it happens really rarely (actually only when having an accident or pedalling backwards on a rough terrain).

Besides, derailleur is quite heavy Razz By the way, MRP introduced a similar thing few years ago, it's not any new idea Wink
  • + 1
 audeo03, aslong as you dont run a short or medium cage
  • + 3
 $100 for one of those... that is a bit ridiculous! I bet can take an old front derailleur and modify it with some pliers to get 95% of the performance as I would with one of those. That being said, it looks sick, is light as hell, and would be on my wish list if I was running a 1x10!
  • + 2
 i was just gonna say. all you have to do is bend the fr. derailleur a tad bit and u got one!
  • + 2
 This thing is a piece of shit, I have one and I honestly drop my chain about 2-3 times a ride, which might seem like not that much, but trust me it gets tiring yanking your chain out from beneath the chainguide. While it might be fine for the gentle xc rider, if you plan on doing any rough trails at all I would highly advise looking elsewhere. Not to mention the price for this dandy piece of crap is ridiculous. I do have the BB mounted version, but it's the exact same thing really, and yes I do have it set up correctly, I took it back to my lbs to make sure. Please trust me on this one and spend your money on something else.
  • - 3
 How is it that nobody has mentioned the most important part of a humans ability to ride a bicycle - YOUR KNEES! E13,like most "bike" companies is just another marketing company jumping on the ever increasing bandwagon of industry whores who have no interest in your actual health,just profits.no matter how light or "revolutionary" a product is,its not going to change the FACT that climbing on a 1x9 or even 1x10 is still going to f*ck your knees.
  • - 1
 i´m not sure i like it 3 ring
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  • + 1
 for me e13 porducts are getting worse and worse, i personaly had a few their parts, and the quality of materials they used a few years ago and now is uncomparable, they reduce porduction costs, not reducing the price the same time, that is the problem.
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  • + 3
 What an excellent advertisment for Superstar components version of this, which costs £14.
So good infact, that I just bought one! Thanks Superstar
  • + 1
 The superstar on as noted earlier runs on the bb. E13 and mrp both make a system like this but they do not work well with any shimano Hollowtech stuff, ie XT cranks. Tried, no dice, getting this one. Run it with a 12 x 36 9 speed cassette so you can actually climb without needing that granny gear.
  • + 2
 I've got the MRP chain guide running with an XT crank and it works fine!!

A warning to Superstar buyers: My mate just bought a superstar chain guide and it doesn't come with chain ring bolt spacers like the MRP guide does. These are needed to take up the extra length on the chain ring bolts that is there to allow the big ring to be mounted. Either that or you will need shorter bolts.
  • + 1
 My friend is running the Superstar guide with XT cranks and he has had no trouble with it.
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  • + 3
 LOOSE ≠ LOSE ...sorry that drives me crazy. You can't "loose weight" or "loose perspective".....
  • + 5
 Your loosing me hear.
  • + 2
 My aren't we the anal one! I'm sorry to have offended your love of the English language. I do a lot of things from day to day, including the relatively unimportant task of Pinkbiking.
Maybe I'm just enjoying not writing multiple thousand word essays for my degree and you could consider not slating me for ONE spelling error!!! And considering how Americans have distorted the English language over the past couple of hundred years, I think I'm allowed the odd error here and there...don't you?
  • + 0
 Seraph, I see you're better at pressing arrows than stringing a sentence together.
  • + 0
 Read: sarcasm.
  • + 0
 Sure it was...
  • + 1
 What else would it be? Did you honestly think I would say "your loosing me hear" instead of "you're losing me here"? You're naivety is astounding.
  • + 1
 I don't know you, I've never seen your posts before. There are plenty of sub-standard contributions on this site. However you seem very keen to stick your nose in where it's not merited.
It's pretty clear that we have a disregard for each other, shall we leave it at that?!
  • + 1
 I didn't even read your post where you had the spelling error. I just like making literary jokes. I don't have the least bit of dislike for you.

You've honestly never seen my posts before? I've been posting on this site for 11 years.
  • + 1
 Ok, so what we have here is a break down in communication.

Shall we start a fresh?
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  • + 1
 i am going to assume that they are still using the same plastic wear plates that crack if you wash them the wrong way or with the wrong cleaner...
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  • + 2
 mike again, sweet review you know your shit.. keep it up man missed you this tech tuesday hopefully see you next week!
  • - 1
 ...that or he just got a load of bumpf from E13 and rejigged it for this advert/review. Anybody who doesn't question a p*ss taking price tag like that is pretty suspect in my view!
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 @StueySasquach,

I certainly understand your concern about the price, it isn't a cheap unit... But I'm not going to tell you that it is too much money. I will tell you what it does good and what it does bad, you decided if it's in your budget or worth the price. If you read the review you'll know that not only did it have some drag that I was not able to dial out, but it also didn't manage to keep the chain on the bottom half of my ring over rough ground. Those are pretty big points of contention for a chain guide. The review was more than fair and critical enough.

Another issue is the fact that I have never tested or had any time on the Superstar unit that is mentioned repeatedly in the comments section. Yes, it's cheaper, but what if it doesn't work as good? I cannot reference the Superstar, or any other similar product, if I've never tested it. And to those who are going on about locking out your front derailleur - that can't be compared. A front derailleur cage is shaped to move the chain of your rings, not hold it in place. I've rigged one up like this many many years ago and it worked OK, but I still lost my chain completely a few times. Both the XCX, Superstar, and a few others, are designed properly to do the job. If you're doing a quick and dirty 1 x 9 test to see if it's for you, then yeah, it'll work. If you want to do it right and not risk losing a chain, get the right tool for the job.
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 I've been using the bottom bracket version of this for quite a while with all XT 1x10 gearing, and it works great. I paid about $45 for mine.
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 oh dear god who would pay
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 Alot of people xc riders as that is the market it is aimed at.
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 .... morons.
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 Yeah and i am a moron because?
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 cos its 80 goddamn quid
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 ITS 80 POUNDS
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 Looks hot. If I were to run this, I'd want to supplement the system with the kind of novel ISCG-mounted alum boomerang that comes on the new Slayers.
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 Great idea... except why not just get a regular chainguide in that case?
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 Because then you get to miss out on buying 2 parts for the price of 5 instead of 1 for the price of 1.
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 t-minus 15 minutes before every grom on a DJ bike has one of these...
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 I've been running one of these on a 1x9 for 8 months now and love it!
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 btw could anybody tell me how will my ride climb with 1x10 ? currently having 2x9 and really like it, but i'm willing to hear about all advantages of 1x10.
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 People need to get paid yall! Don't like it, don't buy it wanks!
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 ngear chain stop ($10) + bash ring of choice is a cheaper 1x alternative that works just fine
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 ...with that said, i have e13 components on my other builds that i don't mind ponying up the extra bucks for that work great, but this is one of those setups that can be done just as effectively with a 30g part for 1/10th the cost.
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 This looks like a nice bit of kit. But IMO they should drastically drop the price to say £40ish.
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 MRP has had one out for a while (1x guide) and it's lighter and cheaper! Been using it for a few months, awesome.
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 ^^ Woops - looks like I missed the point! Sorry sir!
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 thats preety sick
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 i want one, anybody know where from?
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 Check with your local shop, they should be able to get one for you.
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 ordered one already haha Wink
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 pretty sure there on chain reaction cycles
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 ummmmmm how about superstar components!?
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 the ones they sell on superstar are BB mounted but work pretty much the same as the standard e.13 XCX (not the ST version in this review)
the ones they sell look and work the same but currently sell for £14 rather than e.13's £35...
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 THE SUPERSTAR COPY IS £14! don't bother wasting your money.
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 CRC have got these in stock for £80. Bit steep dont you think? I know its a good idea and all, but thats far too much.

EDIT : Superstar do not offer a copy of this. their version is BB mounted where as this is frame(seattube) mounted, similar, but not it.
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 yeh, but BBs got to be better, everyones got a BB. also the rubber you have to put in to space it out is a bodge job, doesnt look clean, and BB mount does look waaaaayyyyy cleannn
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 BB mount won't work with press fit bearings - you have to use the seat-tube mounted guides like the above.
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 who has gears and press fit bearings anyway?
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 Way too expensive ! Go superstar !
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 Looks like a derailleur that doesn't derail and weighs less. Simple and good idea and one that could be reproduced for $4.
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 soo simple..but it will probs be like $ 100 + Razz
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 my LX front mech done a good job so far.
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 aye,a loose perspective does sound intriguing...
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 e`13 you can put this piece of plastic in your expenisve ass !
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 get a 2 dollar rusty front derailleur that's locked on one position, and you get the same effect
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 to everyone complaining about the price, 100 is msrp, it retails for 50 bucks.
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 Well $50 would be lower than wholesale so I doubt it...
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 I actually know the guy that created this, pretty smart dude....simple, clean and effective
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 anyone who sells something for 5 times what it costs to make is a smart man
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 Welcome to capitalism my friend! Most guys who sell anything charge more than five times the actual production cost, I doubt this guy was particularly smarter than his compadres. The price of goods is determined by how much customers are willing to pay, not production costs. The burmese kid who assembled this probably get a couple of dollars worth of rice grains a day.
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 @ rockstorm, I would say at least 20 times, and i'm in good mode!
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 yet lots of us are still looking forward to have an own house on own parcel, a car, at least two bikes, holiday out twice a year etc... so well the fact that this kid in Burma assembles that is a big component of this "dream". Why because capitalism is all about growth, sometimes development. Why to grow? we don't actualy know... but that's how the money is made. And money makes us happy (so they say). And to grow we need something some place or someone (an unplowed land) to exploit.

Well I have a one big hint to all of us. It is only a matter of time when China starts behave just like us. That means they will have to find an unexploited land, and there is only few left. So when China moves 50% of their production to Africa then it is a good time to build an own rocket and get the F*** out of here...
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 damn, waki..buzzkill rant. you're probably right though. its gonna do what its gonna do..e13 or not. howz your mandarin?
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 capitalism sucks
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 I highly recommend youtube lectures of two guys: mr Zygmunt Bauman and David Harvey. Sorry Ethirteen, nothing personal Smile it will be if you release anodized colour versions with Ti bolts Razz
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 naaaaaaaaaaa this is what its all about... weeze components
www.pinkbike.com/photo/5967553
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 Burma? Capitalism?

Haven't you guys heard what's happened there?
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 Now this is really going off topic
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 Man Waki, you seem to have a handle on things, and you are from Sweeden. Boy, over here is bad.........GREED. Thats what you have over here, in spades.
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 Greed's all over the world. Wouldn't be that bad (I mean sure it is) if it wouldn't be fuelled by loans.
You are 20 and wanna go for a trip to Whistler from Europe? - wait until you are 30ty have a steady job, so you can afford it - fu*ck off! Haven't you heard about the student loan?! You are 30 you want a house with backyard where you can build a pumptrack -> you have at least 15 more years before you can afford it- f*ck off! Haven't you heard about the mortgage?!

Basterds increasing taxes! well if Goverment bails up banks for loans you take, then how do you think it gets money to pay for it?! Banks making all the money then! basterds! - Well who gives it to them by paying interest from loans?! Do they make you do that?! Or you just like shortcuts in your life? Well "Someone" could say that everytime there is a situation like Iceland, Ireland, Greece - that they should eat the crap - and don't get a single euro cent, but oh it is not politicaly correct

Guns don't kill people - shortcuts do (good for you, your shortcuts kill people in the "other" part of the world Wink in those "other" countries, should we replace "other" with "developing" or rather "worse kind - able to eat crap - it is not our problem")

P.S. I live in SE but I'm from PL actualy Wink
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 It is a sickening state of affairs thats for sure. I just wish there was a way for people to come back down to earth. Thats one of the biggest reasons I love biking so much. I get to get home from work, where i wade through greed all day, and grab my bike and head off.............to where none of it matters. More people should do the same, realize the meaning of it all that is, and the world would be better off.
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 The trouble is. It is very easy to say: don't be greedy, don't replace your bike every two years just because "they made a new better stuff", better HA, better chain guide etc. Don't take loans, save the planet bla bla bla. Without virtues, higher ideals you won't last long. And that's what all that commercialism, capitalims, consumptionism tries to robb us off. Just turn on the radio, MTV "getting job done on the parking lot - that's true love, in the back seat of my car".

The most ridiculous thing for me lately is the war against tobacco industry. In Sweden you can't smoke in most of own apartments!!! But it is demn fine for the government to allow commercials of "take a loan" f**n everywhere! You come to university: what do you see on the wall? - can't smoke or drink alcohol anywhere on the campus, information board to the left: Take a loan and study in Australia! and a surfer picture next to it... This is the value for them: SAFETY! You are obliged to be safe and healthy under the risk of fine!"
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 i totally agree on everything! greed, government, advertising, health & safety... che guevara got it right!
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