Hop on board for a lap as Nik Nestoroff follows Chris Grice down a lap at the 2022 USA Cycling National Champs in Winter Park, Colorado.— Nik and Kailey
I raced there this week-end and even if this trail is not the sketchiest of all or doesn't have any big impressive features. It's difficult enough and enjoyable for a national. Remember the trail needs to be accessible to a variety of riders, not just a couple of wc racers. The track is really rough, holes and rocks non stop when it looks like a flow trail on go pro. There is an endless stream of medium 6 feet drops with sketchy landing, they look like mellow flat rollers on gopro. There was plenty of lines to choose. I often complain about race courses in the US (especially enduro) being too easy but I think this track does the job!
^ I meant Neko struggles with qualifying. Dakota has been pretty consistent but mostly off the top pace. Those three are our best and brightest at the moment, but the learning curve from what we have in the states compared to WC tracks is significant with a ton of roots, rain, steeps, etc.
That track is joke. It would make a good Cat 2-3 track maybe. Trestle did a decent job of catering to the majority of the public but not the top riders, which makes financial sense but sucks if you are looking for challenging trails.
I was watching the jr xc race yesterday and the xc course looked technically very easy. Maybe they didn't show the hard parts, idk. But for nationals its weak sauce.
@tadabing: oh I know man. I'm just poking fun. Some of those crashes over those stumps at speed were scary just to watch. Hope those unfortunate to crash there recover and heal up.
Said he had a pedal strike throw him over the bars and he's out. From his xray it looks like surgery so six weeks to be safe-ish for racing. Huge bummer he can't race on 'home' turf and huge blow at this stage for him. six weeks isn't that long though, he can hit the trainer and even get on his road bike sooner.
Annnnd this is part of why the US is not developing new riders that can be competitive at the WC or World Champs level. This course is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
If the Discovery shitheads go through with their top 30 riders only plan, it’s likely the US is going to be pretty much shutout in the future once Gwin retires. Dakota is fast, but struggles with qualifying and there is no American even close to those two.
It’s definitely gnarly than it looks but it’s still pretty tame for the top guys. People race it on trail bikes all the time but it’s not the fastest option.
@nvranka: lolz. That trail is a stage on the endurbro races at WP so ya you can ride it pretty fast. Yes you are correct PB commenters with zero experience in an area, commenting as they know something.
@nvranka: it’s a relatively mellow track for an enduro race and a joke for a DH race. They need to move that back to Sol Vista where DH meant something
@drlancefreeride: I'd don't get this sentiment since only the first 3rd of Sol Vista/Granby has any gradient at all and the rest of the mountain is flat af. Trestle DH is much steeper than any track at Granby, plus Trestle has significantly more elevation.
Trestle is a solid DH trail that's quite physical to ride, and has several steep and off-camber bits that are challenging at race pace, however it's also mostly a one-line trail without any line-choice options like you'd see on a true WC track.
Yup video is deceiving. Its actually very very hard to ride fast. The lines at speed through the chunk and holes are super difficult and high consequence for error. The fast lines are full on double black or more. For sure not a WC track, but I'd say it has some similarity to the WC track at SnowShoe. Not steep everywhere, but a different style, that is still very difficult to maintain speed and race pace. Certainly a challenge at any level of racing.
Having ridden double black trails across the country and whistler, it isnt the hardest, but it isnt the easiest either.
Y'all Armchair Experts base your entire analysis on this POV? If you cared about racing more that commenting you would have at least watched Vital RAW. Not saying it's WC at all but I didn't see a single one of you PB American DH experts on the start list.
Winter Park has not chosen because of it's DH trails. Listen to Dakota Norton rip this trail apart on the Vital podcast. Not many places in Colorado require a DH bike. You can ride these trails with a 5010.
@larrythelamb: yeah, it's the Andorra B practice episode. Listen to it then watch the video. You see the tree they just wrapped a ton of race take around instead of padding. USA Cycling is so ghetto.
Event planners are taking the financial hit, so they look to be doing the best they can for a race course. But I have ridden in BC and the Alps, and home trails in Oregon. This trail is just another bike park blue trail IMO and is not at all technical. That said, racing is racing, so seeing pros hit it at MUCH higher speeds than the rest of us and manage the the inevitable blown out sections post all the practices, AND the dry an loose turns at speed will be entertaining. Gonna see a lot of folks pressing against the envelope.
This terrain is in Gwin’s wheelhouse - if he is really back, then he should win by a second plus.
@bman33: it’s a blue. Steep in sections does not make it a black. No sketchy woods, no sketchy rocks, no off camber rock faces, no gaps, no jumps, … nada. No one’s genderhood is being challenged here. My point is not that ‘this is a stupid trail, why is there a world cup level race on it?’ at all. The event planners are working with what they have. It looks like a a trail one can blast down and have fun with The point is while not technical, the soil and loose rock will be a variable as racers push the envelope for speed. Will still be entertaining, just not at the same level as other WC courses.
You want to call it a black course, be my guest - it’s all relative. Just nothing anyone in the NW would call black. And for perspective, Canadians in BC consider our Oregon/Washington single black as blue and I do not take offense, ride there blcks and refs and you quickly know why.
@Bliss503: again, You haven't ridden there. Apparently. It's a blue black. Forever 10 years more apart was my local bike park. Is stressled DH a full world cup course? Not at all. However, the section to trail they did include and the newer sections are black or blue/black hands down. The GoPro effect is making most of the rocks and tricky sections disappear as usual. My ginger hood isn't threatened at all. I'm secure enough with who I am, although not sure why you're bringing that up?. I raced semi-pro for years (DH, Slalom, BMX) and still do expert when I do race. I may not be a top roll cut rider,, but I do know a little bit of what I'm talking about.
@bman33: um, ok. I really do give a crap to be honest. The point was people slam trails as not being race worthy. My point is it may not be a hard trail by most standards, but racing at top levels on any trail can make it hard just based on the speed. Read what I said and quite personalizing the comments and remarks about my opinion about the trail - who cares, it looks fun. Juat not WC level. Want to protect the status of your local bike park’s trail ratings, cool go for it. Shrug, bigger issues in the world that this. Hope you got out to ride today and had a good time since ultimately that matter for mr biking.
@Bliss503: you "gave enough crap" to comment...just saying. And if you read my first comment, it 100% points out. It's not a world cup track. Again ..just saying.
@bman33: ride there a lot. It’s definitely not a WC track. It’s barely a black trail. Still fun to ride.
Too bad Keystone has dropped the ball the last two years. They have the trails, steepness, and rowdyness for a real DH track. Keystone is the best raw bike park riding in CO (IMO).
@bman33: in all regards this is a blue trail. I get that when pros are on it they are pushing the limits, but this particular trail is a joke for DH. It has been for the decade+ they have been holding races of one a sort or another on it
People talk such nonsense. I ride this trail regularly and have also ridden all over the Alps and PNW (and a stack of other places). It's a fun trail except for the flat bits they bypass for nationals. Is it a double black, no but it would be black (or equivalent) anywhere. Loads of blacks in the PNW easier than this, loads that are harder too. It's about equivalent in difficulty to Lower Whistler DH or No Joke in the Bike Park. Certainly harder than Rupert, Credit Line, Angry Midget, Ditch Pig, I could go on. The old world cup trails at Angel Fire and Pila and Tires Fire at Verbier would be pretty similar too. It's a long way from being the best or gnarliest the US could use for nationals however.
Did look like a pretty sweet track. Pretty gnarly looking. Getting away from massive senders, big parky stuff. I do always wonder with all of our resorts, why the heck don’t we have more WC races. Sure would gain more riders and US teams. I’d love to ride the Snowshoe track, I’ve always heard riders really like the course.
Deer valley has a better shot of putting together an actual world cup track than trestle. This race could be won by someone on an enduro bike (pretty sure it has actually happened). It's just not that steep. I don't think I could ride most world cup tracks, trestle dh used to be a frequent lap for me.
@adrennan: Yeah Trestle in general doesn't have much steep stuff... Purgatory has refreshed an old "world cup" track that should provide a pretty fun spot to race in Colorado these days
@rallyimprezive: I ride there alot. That track is not at all WC or that challenging. Keystone is by the far closest thing to WC tracks. WP is awesome but lacks steep terrain. Too many switchbacks. Keystone is straight gnarly steep and raw. (For Colorado mountain comparison)
@Clifflane3: it’s still more challenging than the GoPro video makes it look, that’s all I’m sayin. I agree that Keystone has some trails that would be better suited. I like Keystone.
If the Discovery shitheads go through with their top 30 riders only plan, it’s likely the US is going to be pretty much shutout in the future once Gwin retires. Dakota is fast, but struggles with qualifying and there is no American even close to those two.
PB never disappoints
Trestle is a solid DH trail that's quite physical to ride, and has several steep and off-camber bits that are challenging at race pace, however it's also mostly a one-line trail without any line-choice options like you'd see on a true WC track.
Edit - homie above beat me to the link.
This terrain is in Gwin’s wheelhouse - if he is really back, then he should win by a second plus.
You want to call it a black course, be my guest - it’s all relative. Just nothing anyone in the NW would call black. And for perspective, Canadians in BC consider our Oregon/Washington single black as blue and I do not take offense, ride there blcks and refs and you quickly know why.
Too bad Keystone has dropped the ball the last two years. They have the trails, steepness, and rowdyness for a real DH track. Keystone is the best raw bike park riding in CO (IMO).
Is it a double black, no but it would be black (or equivalent) anywhere. Loads of blacks in the PNW easier than this, loads that are harder too. It's about equivalent in difficulty to Lower Whistler DH or No Joke in the Bike Park. Certainly harder than Rupert, Credit Line, Angry Midget, Ditch Pig, I could go on. The old world cup trails at Angel Fire and Pila and Tires Fire at Verbier would be pretty similar too.
It's a long way from being the best or gnarliest the US could use for nationals however.
I’d love to ride the Snowshoe track, I’ve always heard riders really like the course.
That being said this course does have the makings of a good track, hopefully we see one come to the western US soon
I agree that Keystone has some trails that would be better suited. I like Keystone.