The World Cup makes a long awaited return to racing on US soil this week, with the World Cup finals in Windham, NY. The brand new track here looks fast and gnarly - with some high speed rock gardens that will catch a few riders as the course dries and the speeds come up. The track is littered with large jumps and wide open ski sections that dive back into the woods, it will make for exciting racing to watch and times will be tight among the top riders.
It's definitely not like Chatel or other popular courses, but this course offers some unique conditions. Moist clay that gets packed down, thrown around, leaks some slick mystery fluid after being squeezed, and has a tendency to thickly stick to stuff when flung at high velocity (like your goggles, grips, and brake levers)... this stuff gets your tires and the nearby roots and rocks coated in some gooey slick fluid which can be the recipe for disaster, especially at high speed. Put your foot down in your turn and your pedal can become a slippery mess too.
It's steep up top, tight and fast with some varied lines, drops, a fairly gnarly large rock garden, which then opens up which really tests how far racers are willing to go. It seems to be a race more about the mind... if you felt the surprising danger of the slick roots and rocks, you may not dare to go so fast. I imagine that the course conditions will change a lot and lines you planned before will probably be the worst once it's your turn. Those who rocket down recklessly/confidently and can create their plan on the go to flow down while going so fast will definitely give a good show, but that comes with great risk. That seems to be how they designed it and why they're marking even seemingly insignificant rocks with orange paint... those can throw you off with how slippery they are (they can sometimes be like ice).
When you see the injuries this race may cause, I think you guys may think twice about how "technical" (challenging would be the better word) the course is in a competitive sense.
Don't forget also that once riders get on this track it will grow rocks on the course! I used to live 10 minutes from Windham and I swear rocks grow in the Catskills!! so stoked can't wait to watch it on Freecaster
Not to mention, some of those trees look deadly. I prefer fast courses like this one, it'll show who has the balls to open up, and correct your mistakes when you do sample some of the mud there.
You guys should probably see the track in person before you try and talk shit. The riders who can keep it under control at mach 1 and stay off the brakes will win. It is an EXCELLENT track, all the riders I have talked to love it.
not that technical compared to other WC courses but looks very fast and tight. should keep the top guys' times real close. wish it wasn't still 3000 miles away
why you guys always give negative comments here in pinkbike.can't even give any appreciation on the volunteers that work hard on this event.we even dreaming to have a major race and track like this in our country.
The track looks pretty interesting, can't wait to see what happens.
I'm likely to pick up some neg props for this but from the comments I have read, looks like people will be using this article as a way to shit talk U.S. tracks......
^ yeah, think people look at tracks being better if they're steeper, this is a FAST track, the lack of pure steep corners means you can really let go, think it'll be sweet as! Plus those gaps look fun
ahhh back in the US and only 3 hours from me, love it! And for anybody complaining that its not steep enough or not technical enough just keep it to yourself. Having a variety of tracks can bring out different riders strengths, going to be a super fast race which is going to be awesome!
So it's ok for everyone in the US to attempt to write off other countries venues, yet it's unacceptable for anyone to say anything negative about your tracks? Don't you understand the irony in that?
Stromlo anyone? Some f*cking hardcore obstacles on that track yet it was still not good enough, even though no Yanks came close to the time Peaty put in, I guess that was because they didn't want to try on such a mundane track; save those for home
and so the trash talking has started at the end of the day diffrent tracks are good as bring somthing diffrent to every race and can challenge diffrent riders in diffrent ways but you yank boys gotta learn you guys struggle in the wet an mud (gwin,schulser great riders struggle in the wet) as for us brits wet an mud is all got so we love it and tend to ride well in it and im hoping for gee to keep his game tight for another british win
Tank3827, Gwin is from the driest part of the states, and Joey isn't from a particularly wet place either. I see what you're saying, but the US has extremely varied climates in different regions so it's not completely accurate to say that about all US racers
runner, can see what your saying mate an agree that if the rider aint from a wet area they may not be sutited to it but look at sam hill from the land of oz that place is dry as fook an he is a ninja in wet techy tracks thats why on the flip side of the coin the athertons head to your country to train because they live in wales(if carlsberg did wet countries this would be it) an ride there, they use the great dry tracks that you guys have to make sure they can ride both well see my point ?
i think an i may be chattin bollox, but at there level you have to be able to ride all tracks well not just the ones you like the look off if you stand a chance of becoming world champ
runner, can see what your saying mate an agree that if the rider aint from a wet area they may not be sutited to it but look at sam hill from the land of oz that place is dry as fook an he is a ninja in wet techy tracks thats why on the flip side of the coin the athertons head to your country to train because they live in wales(if carlsberg did wet countries this would be it) an ride there, they use the great dry tracks that you guys have to make sure they can ride both well see my point ?
i think an i may be chattin bollox, but at there level you have to be able to ride all tracks well not just the ones you like the look off if you stand a chance of becoming world champ
Steep yes, probably going to be super fun to ride, but technical - you're 'avin a larf, I think I spotted about 5 roots in all of the photographs! May be a few pinch flat mind with all those rock edges that have been so nicely sprayed
Leave it to the pros to decide. Different venues are needed to keep WCDH going. have to act professional and be tactful and respectful to keep employed. All the slamming goin' on here is entertaining but clearly isn't for the big picture. all this is like beer to me. I've got my favorites but like to try others just so I'll know and maybe discover something new. Drink on & ride on I say! I think Gwin is due.
I'm guessing they spray paint the gnarly rocks purely because they are going so fast and could really get blindsided by some of them? At first seemed kind of odd that they do that...
I tought they were gonna paint the whole track with that orange paint....it just seems like he put a lot of it on every rocks and every roots, i mean whats the point of highlighting something if the rest around is bright orange as well?
I would like to see a WC at snowshoe... god knows that place has rock gardens and steep corners... throw in some bigger gaps for the pros and you would have a gnarly course.
yeah dude!! snowshoe needs to have a world cup! some of that terrain/trails are just begging to be a world cup race track! steep, good dirt, rocks, fast open shit, long descents, its got everything. im riding there in about two weeks! so pumped!
Snowshoe wouldn't do it. It's all money. UCI has tried to get angel fire or vail to do it again, supposedly asked diablo, and nobody wants to put up the tons of cash and freebies that go along with a wc stop.
cant judge anything from these photos but I think I see one point where you might need to use the brakes!
I wonder who's going to have the their baws ooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
track looks basic, times will be real tight i think the riders want tracks where the can use 100% of there skills like Angel Fire or Durango NM a really MENS track this track looks like vigo spain nothinng special
Can't believe that Bromont's World Cup have been replaced by this one!!! Looks like these track designs have been improvised quickly; a lot of jumps & burns looks like soft & unfinished...
Windham seems to be a beautiful & a big mountain however, their 4X and DH tracks cannot be compared to Bromont awarded as the best track in the WC series in 2008...
Nevertheless, I wish a sunny race days to all the organizers, cause if the rain comes, these tracks will become a Vietnam for all the racers!!!
This year, Mont Ste-Anne will be definitely the best place in the North America to see the best riders in the world!!
which is why they should settle for whiteface mountain, between windham and bromont... with proper funding and building, a gnarlllly trail could come out of that place.
would that be the track that got completely redone this year? seems like you've been watchin to many clay porter films. know you shit before you spread it!!
No really, it sucks. And super boring to watch. I don't really expect you to change your mind though, I know you
british kids won't admit it, just like you won't admit that orange bikes blow.
Yes, Fort William is a terrible track, that's why it's won best WC venue like the past 7 times in a row...
Seriously, my local tracks are more gnarly than this. Fuck, the push up to my local tracks is more gnarly than this shit.
More tech, yes, challenging? I doubt it. This track will be so fast that riders will have problems landing on flat sections in between the steeps and drops. Over shoot one of those ledges in the 'bowling alley' will send you flipping at 40 mph down the hill
initially i thought the track was a bit tame, from previous photos before this article, but i think it is world cup standard. i do think maybe a few more turns would have made the event better, because thats why we all ride mtb isnt it just to hit turns
@ Knife-in-the-dark.quote "british kids won't admit it, just like you won't admit that orange bikes blow". dude i totally agree with you on that but i am british and i agree that orange bikes blow, i can feel the neg props comming
lets just add to this argument, that in the off season the top U.K racing family comes to California to train, might say its because the weather but I think we gotta look into the fact that Gee even says the riding is amazing!
also it snows on fort bill in the winter ? plus to my knowledge (which is very limited ) in Britain we have very few decent length DH tracks, certainly with lifts, just because we have almost no mountains, certainly in comparison with u lucky bastards
yep! how many 'mericans in top 20? i have nothing against Windham track really but in no way you have the right to diss Fort William nor the Orange bikes. they had this new school geometry that "modern" dh bikes used 10 years ago. so shut it! hope to see you with a track in the UCI calender 5 years in a row but i doubt it!
hey tomboulter we excel at different aspects of the sport. north america is more about freeriding, and you guys are more about dh. and it shows when you look at the top guys in both
EDIT:oh and i think we can all agree that this track is better then last years world champ track. that thing really sucked
If North America had half of the WC stops like Europe, you would see more badass Americans on the world cup. It's alot easier for even ok riders in europe to be able to travel for races and gain experience, whereas the us and canada has 1 maybe 2 races they can go to, and even those are thousands of miles away, for most. Oh and by the way, just because something was groundbreaking 10-15 years ago, doesn't mean it is still groundbreaking. I put Orange in the same category as mtn cycle, at one time super rad, now just old and tired.
Knife in the dark , More USA rounds would not help , you dont see the Aussies/kiwis having any probs stomping the top 20 , the prob seems to me (--- only my opinon ) that you guys seem to focus more on the free ride/slopestlye side of things , well thats how it's portrayed in our Media
@knifeinthedark were on a forum so I have to expect these narrow minded views of world cup tracks. As to fort william your right it's pretty beaten in some places, but what are you expecting some sort velvet that we could take cannondale/Intense down with out it snapping?
Okay, I think the reason why USA sucks is because most people here are watching football and eating barbi-q`s all most of the time. And most people dont even know what mountain biking is, if they do then they think of skinny people on spandex.
@CaptainQueerMTB i have ridden fort bill. not my favorite. tracks pretty tired. they need to give it a few years off then come back to it so the hype for the riders will be back in that track.
Fort William is not necessarily about the track although it is fast, long and physically demanding. But the riders love the event because of the fans and the atmosphere there i'm pretty sure it will be held there for many more years to come.
what a typical us track, no roots, no real hard sections, just one big straight line, take a look and fort william, anyone who has rode there will knowwhat im talking about
JoeyBratten, come to the U.S and ride some of our places, you will be surprised what we have back here. Dont judge it off the pictures you see maybe couple hundred feet of the whole course, from what I hear from riders like Immer and Iggz and stuff, the course is quite gnarly.
Wow you are awfully ignorant to be making such big blanket statements. If you have ridden a single US resort you would realize how much of a dumbass you're making yourself look like right now.
Chances are you've never even ridden at a single resort in the US JoeyBratten. Nice hyperbole and attempt at generalizations. Your ignorance is showing.
im so fucking sick of people using fort william as a reason for pride. JoeyBratten, if i had the money id fly u out to idaho and colorado just to see the look on ur face when u figure out that u cant ride many of the tracks out there, ud shit ur pants. watch Earthed 2, ud understand
As far as I am concerned this track looks sick! I the speed that people will carry is the dangereous/technical part. I am sure Europe has great riding whatever, but the US has plenty to offer. For those of you who think the US has nothing, if you ever find yourself in AZ look me up and I will take you on the local hill, it's tame compared to a lot of other trails around the country, but will still eat you whole!
i not gonna jump on the brittish/scottish 'this track is shit and tame and fort bill is amazing' band waggon. because its ridiculous to argue about tracks when you've most likely only ridden 1 side of the story, if you get my drift. but for the comment by carlmontnative, most of the brittish guys ride stuff well steeper and techier than ft bill, i mean most of us spend 2 weeks riding the alps in the summer. and if my and my mates are anything to go by, we generally just go about trying to find the steepest roughest secret tracks we can find. so we'd probably jizz our pants rather than shit in them if we got to ride the american tracks if they are as good as you say
you U.S. guys that are bashing fort bill, you say JoeyBratten and adownhillerfromscotland have never ridden a us track, well i would put money on you never having ridden fort bill, you can't substatiate an argument on hypocrisy.
i also note that there are plenty of other people saying this track is shit who aren't from the uk who are well into positive props, so wouldn't it be better to keep the discussion to the track in question rather than going an an anti-european rampage.
OK. Yes i know i havent ridden an american dh track, mainly because i havent had the time to get there and also its america (enough said) but fort bill is an awesome track, super technical and thats why it has hosted the wc for the past 5 years (i think). Americans may think that that is a technical track as they haven't ridden a track more technical than that like fort bil. Yes i do know all you americans are going to negatively prop me now but tbh i really couldn't care less
Please explain to me exactly what is so bad about the u.s. that would affect you on a trip here? No really please explain...And Ft Bill has hosted a wc track the last 5 years because they give hummers to uci. No track should be on a schedule for 5 years straight. Talk about local advantage. You should not be able to predict the winner of every round every year, before the race.
jeeez. no matter where you go if ANYONE says ANYTHING bad about the states you get a like billion americans suddenly turned into keyboard warriors. I kinda wish you guys would realize you aren't better then everyone else
I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, I just want to know what exactly would stop him from coming here. If you don't like it I'll see you at the flagpole at 3:00.
conshow if you read what we're saying you would see that we're not claiming US tracks are steeper/better than UK tracks (or tracks anywhere else), we're just sick and tired of people generalizing about an ENORMOUS nation full of different tracks/geography based off of a couple snapshots.
We're not saying we're better than anyone else conshow3, in fact it's the exact opposite here. And if anyone is trying to be a "keyboard warrior" here it's the people bashing it just because it's in the states. I kinda wish YOU guys would realize you aren't better then everyone else.
did you ever think that people are just not likeing the track? and that it has zero to do with where it is? oh and as for the us being better part lets be realistic here, im from canada, we suck at pretty much everything except for hockey
It's steep up top, tight and fast with some varied lines, drops, a fairly gnarly large rock garden, which then opens up which really tests how far racers are willing to go. It seems to be a race more about the mind... if you felt the surprising danger of the slick roots and rocks, you may not dare to go so fast. I imagine that the course conditions will change a lot and lines you planned before will probably be the worst once it's your turn. Those who rocket down recklessly/confidently and can create their plan on the go to flow down while going so fast will definitely give a good show, but that comes with great risk. That seems to be how they designed it and why they're marking even seemingly insignificant rocks with orange paint... those can throw you off with how slippery they are (they can sometimes be like ice).
When you see the injuries this race may cause, I think you guys may think twice about how "technical" (challenging would be the better word) the course is in a competitive sense.
To the grom kids who don't know, Fraser's been to virtually every World Cup in the past decade. If he says it's a good track, his opinion qualifies.
I'm not disputing his knowledge or anything but I think everyone has worked that one out already.
Stromlo anyone? Some f*cking hardcore obstacles on that track yet it was still not good enough, even though no Yanks came close to the time Peaty put in, I guess that was because they didn't want to try on such a mundane track; save those for home
i think an i may be chattin bollox, but at there level you have to be able to ride all tracks well not just the ones you like the look off if you stand a chance of becoming world champ
i think an i may be chattin bollox, but at there level you have to be able to ride all tracks well not just the ones you like the look off if you stand a chance of becoming world champ
Looks like these track designs have been improvised quickly; a lot of jumps & burns looks like soft & unfinished...
Windham seems to be a beautiful & a big mountain however, their 4X and DH tracks cannot be compared to Bromont awarded as the best track in the WC series in 2008...
Nevertheless, I wish a sunny race days to all the organizers, cause if the rain comes, these tracks will become a Vietnam for all the racers!!!
This year, Mont Ste-Anne will be definitely the best place in the North America to see the best riders in the world!!
it´s going to be faaaaaaast ! braap - awesome!
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EDIT:oh and i think we can all agree that this track is better then last years world champ track. that thing really sucked
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i have ridden fort bill. not my favorite. tracks pretty tired. they need to give it a few years off then come back to it so the hype for the riders will be back in that track.
Yes i do know all you americans are going to negatively prop me now but tbh i really couldn't care less