Mouth off and win! Just lay down your strongest opinions and comments directly on this blog until May 1st and you could win a License to host a screening of Pedal-Driven to make some money for trails in your area. Additional prizes include Osprey packs, Camelbak packs, Pinkbike merchandise, DVDs, and more from the makers of “Pedal-Driven: a bike-umentary”!
Here’s what we want to hear your opinion about:Pedal-Driven: a bike-umentary explores the question of whether mountain bikers should be allowed on public lands and if it can be done legally and sustainably. What do you see going on in your world?
- Are legal trails better or worse than illegal trails?
- Share a story (good or bad) about getting legal trails on the ground near you.
- Share any tricks you’ve found for dealing with the ins and outs of government land managers
- What’s the most positive thing you’ve seen happen where the future of mountain biking is concerned?
Judging: Contest will be judged first by peers who will bump your comments up or down. Then the Pedal-Driven producers will review the top user-rated comments to select the final winners.
11 Prize Winners: 1 Grand Prize and 10 Runners Up
Grand Prize: A license to host a screening of “Pedal-Driven: a bike-umentary” once at the theater or venue of their choice and the right to keep all of the proceeds.
Runners Up: Osprey hydration pack, Camelbak hydration pack, Pedal-Driven DVD, Pedal-Driven T-Shirt, Pinkbike merchandise and more!
Deadline: May 1st, 2011. Post your comment now! You can get more information about the story and see additional trailers at
www.pedaldriven.org .
In our community, we have core builders that put ridiculous hours into their trails. We have people spending their evenings writing grant applications and trail proposals. We have people organizing trail maintenance days, races, bbq's, and free shuttle days. We have people approaching local bike shops and businesses for support, people running www.MMBTS.com, and more.
The best part is that these people do it out of their passion to push our sport. Better still is what we've accomplished: $90k in grants; mapping and legitimizing our trails; and 1000s of hours of trail maintenance to name a few. What's even more impressive is the above is driven by less than 10% of our riding community. What's disappointing is the amount who spend their energy complaining about “the man” or wishing, without taking positive action.
Times have changed along with a generational change in the public and in government. Mountain biking is no longer an renegade “extreme sport”. It is as viable and valuable as a neighbourhood soccer field or hockey arena. And for those that think legitimate, standardized trails are boring - check out Silverstar or Whistler trails.
Overall, i guess my point is that we control our destiny. We are the government, we are the industry, and we are the riders. Riders need to organize so the builders can build, the advocates can advocate, the planners can plan, and all the rest falls into place. So far, I think it’s work for us.... oh, and we'd like to host a screening ;o)
- Development of a mountain bike community that can be openly proud of their accomplishments and get more people involved in what is a highly exciting sport.
- Development of trails which are constructed in more sustainable ways. This is not a dummying down of trails but an exercise in more creative trail building to create exciting technical riding in accordance and with respect to the topography of the mountain.
- Development of a relation with government with a commitment to transparency. This works both ways and as a result of our relationship we have been advised of changes that may be coming so we won’t be blindsided. As well a line of communication allows government to see your organization as it is – which is not represented by a few irresponsible users that are out there (you know who you are).
And here’s the secret the government wants to develop awesome mountain bike trails – they just don’t know how to do it – and that is where we come in.
Government is developing their legislation on trail building around how Moose Mountain Bike Trail Society (MMBTS) is proposing the building of new trails. MMBTS is pioneering how the landscape will look for downhill mountain biking in Alberta.
We would really love to host a screening of Pedal Driven to support our organization and increase awareness of legalization of mountain bike trails in the Calgary area!
So many great points have been made in other comments about the benefits of legalized trails. I’ll just add one. Over the winter, several MMBTS members worked hard on two new trail proposals and a 5 year plan for Moose Mountain Bike Trails. TWO NEW TRAILS have been APPROVED. Part of the process involved a stakeholder review with cattle grazers and Shell as builder and maintainer of the Moose Mountain road. Both were very cooperative. Kananaskis Country is a big multi-use area where logging, cattle grazing, recreation and resource extraction all co-exist. We need to check with others how our plans will effect their use and enjoyment of the land. With a legalized trail system, a long term plan in place and MMBTS as the trail stewards, We are now STAKEHOLDERS. Suddenly I like that buzzword.
With that in mind, I also think illegal trails tend to be unsustainable. Just because of their lack of maintenance, once the hoards find them it is almost impossible to avoid destroying them. Also many of them aren't built to IMBA specs. My favourite trail, was a small illegal one two summers ago, not many people know about it or ride it, but only two years of run off have almost completely destroyed the fun parts. There is environmental damage that happens with trails like that. While I'm inclined to say its worth it for a good bike trail, I'd be pissed if so equestrian riders illegally built a trail in a park and caused increased erosion, and I'd think the government should stop them...
But then what happened to the freedom of just doing? and did it ever exist? I'm not sure, but I think this documentary is a huge step in the right direction and I'm proud the mountain bike community can help create steps towards a positive solution.
Overall, legal trails are much better plan. They can be safely maintained, and you never have to worry about the landowner taking a shovel to your jumps. Sanctioned parks in my area (I5 Colonnade, Beacon Hill) receive attention and maintenance from builders, and greatly contribute to the local race scene as well as progression of the sport in the region. When both builders and riders create a united front (like in "Pedal Driven") much can be accomplished; trails may become sanctioned, building funds acquired, and mountain bikers as a whole gain reputation as a law-abiding citizens, contributing to communities everywhere.
Illegal trails also have benefits-privacy, you can build how you like, and the thrill of creating something to ride that is wholly your own. The fact is, if everyone, everywhere could have banger trails, for every discipline of mountain biking, of every skill level, there would be ALMOST NO need for illegal trails!!! the fact of the matter is, this is not possible in most communities. The urge to ride compels riders to turn outlaw and build trails, often illegal, to pursue the love of riding.
I feel fortunate to have such amazing trails in my area, and that i can keep illegal trail building to a minimum in my area is great. The most positive thing i have seen in terms of progression is the gathering of a group of determined riders, pushing for the legalizing of trails in their area. this marks a huge progression in the maturity of our sport, and the commitment of our riders.
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, the east bay to be exact. Biking is a growing sport in the area, and there are many who support it. This includes not only the riders, but parents, teachers, spectators, and people who just think it's a cool sport and like the idea of kids hucking their bikes for fun. Years ago, before riding became a real trend in the bay, there were a few underground spots scattered throughout the various towns in the east bay and those who knew about them rode them frequently. I myself first became addicted to the sport at one of those spots. These areas were well maintained, kept clean and in general respected by those who used them and those who knew about them. While still illegal, nobody really seemed to mind the riders using the small and well hidden spaces to do what they loved. Then, one day, that all changed.
Local riders woke up one morning to find their largest and most worked-on spot, called creek, being destroyed by city employees. Nothing had been heard on the subject, and everyone was shocked. This set the trend for secret and illegal sites in the east bay from then on. Today, there really aren't that many secret trails that are still around. However, this wave of destruction and crackdown on illegal trails brought forth an effort to make a legal safe haven for the riders of the bay; the Lafayette Bike Park project. It was started when a few riders who had built and maintained creek came forward to the city with a proposal to build a legal bike park and satisfy both the city and the riders. The idea was met with widespread enthusiasm by the biking community all throughout northern California, and the city seemed onboard with the project as well. However, thanks to a few locals who dislike the idea, the project has been greatly slowed because of their efforts. These people have attempted to degrade the riders with the project (admittedly some angry teenagers have sent nasty letters that are then displayed on the opposition's website, however quite a few have sent more polite and reasoned ones which are not shown), along with the city themselves for supporting it. They have gone to great lengths to stall the project and although it is said to be moving forward now, it is not going anywhere quickly.
This project needs all the support it can get, and once up and running it will be a fantastic place to ride, have fun and it will be completely legal. I have witnessed the destruction of trails that have had years of work put into them, and it is simply devastating. Riders only build the trails because they have not been given anywhere legal to ride their bikes in the area, and if they were given that legal place to ride then the illegal trailbuilding would all but cease. Authorities do track down trails and give tickets, (a polite and apologetic attitude with promise to leave immediately is the best way to get out of these tickets; it's what I do and I haven't gotten one yet) and the riding community of the bay is tired of dealing with that. We just want a legal place to ride, and while we certainly are on the road to that goal, we need support and we must show that we are truly dedicated to getting a legal park to finally achieve what we are working for.
I totally agree that legal trails are great and its awesome to see more legal and mountain bike oriented trails popping up all over the world but even with the growth of dedicated mtb trails I think we all still tend to ride illegal trails or build jumps/drops in places that we shouldn't. The city that I live in, there really are no dedicated freeride/downhill trails, thus mountain bikers are forced into the woods in the river valley (city owned land) to build trails, jumps and drops. Technically this is illegal, but is it really that wrong? As long as the trails are maintained and not polluted what is the big concern? Is it liability, if so I can just go to my local public skatepark (owned by the city on city land) and crack open my skull there as well.
Regardless of this controversy, I don’t think it will have any effect on mountain bikers riding and building in illegal locations. Looks at skateboarders and BMXers, technically they have dedicated places to ride (skateparks) but they are always seen in urban areas jumping stairs and grinding rails and benches, just like we go into the woods and ride illegal spots.
In terms of good news story on legal trails: A couple years ago the Hinton Bike Park was opened to the public. “The vision of the Hinton Bike Park was to build an exceptional mountain bike skills park that is fun, free of charge, and ride able by all ages and abilities"
Check out the article I wrote on it a while back: vics26.pinkbike.com/blog/hintonbikepark.html
I've grown up in California and spent some time in Nevada as well. I was fortunate enough to be located near Northstar - Tahoe and various other questionable trails. It was a great environment to hone my skills.
This past year (10th grade) I became student body president for an international school. I organize fun events and activities for the 300 or so students grades k-12. One of my plans includes a school ground pump track. Something fun for all ages which would be built and maintained through the schools soon to be bicycle club (Permission and build plans have been acquired).
HOWEVER! We do not receive funding from the school board for this project. There is land available for use, but I would like to have a proper track network which could accommodate everyone from the average tike who just wants to roll up to even a more experienced dual slalom rider. Not much money would be required, but some would help.
What better way to get people involved and interested, while still being safe secure and legal than a student organized track.
Rather than giving the money to someone located in say Canada or the united state where there already is a well established riding scene why not put it to use in Northern Germany?
Dirtforce.de
after 2 years of using legal trails on leased land the regional gouverment canceled all contracts. hundreds of hours that we spend to build northshore-lines, racelines, jumps on flat land was shot down over night. they leave 40 riders of all ages in a deep depression. okay they knocked us down but we were not knockout. after 4 years of hard negotiations with our reg. gouverment, strugglin for new land, involving radiostations and the newspapers, we were successfully.since last year we got new land inkluding a 26 year leasingcontract. meanwhile we finished the downhill and the pumptrack. northshorelines, dirtlines, slopestyle and a 4x-track are in prozess. we have to pay thousands of € for trees to compensate our trailbuilding. we need every penny to finish this project. please help us to make a dream come true. please help us to give northern germany his lil' whistler. you have the chance to support not only the northern german bikescene. we expect riders from poland and an american bwoy known as KennyKillsIt. so we are back to international relationship...
Thank you a lot for readin this... (hell, my english is so bad!)
kenny u r welcome every time...
You're english was spot on and far better than my German
I'd rather not just sit back and complain about every little detail in this area, I'd rather get up and do something about it. Weather that means breaking out the shovels for an all day dig or running for student council re election to make sure that bike club project goes through, I'll do it.....Then take one hell of a nap cuz this shit's hard!
I say give some grant money to Dirtforce.de, they have an established organization that is in touch with the local government, but also slide a bit our way further west here. For that school ground pumptrack at the least. For the kids ya know
You may be asking at this point how does this guy know this? “Oh no…not another tree hugging hippie”. Well I can tell you first hand I speak the truth. I want to tell you about our (Cold Creek Mountain Bikers) project here in Washington State working with the WDNR. I am not going to lie, it is a painful process that started over 6 years ago and finally is becoming a reality with the hard work a of a few old school free riders.
It has been a long process of disagreement, knowledge transfer, and finally compromise. Everyone needs to fundamentally understand that land owners both private and public typically view their land as a limited resource or an investment. This fact is priority number one and you have to work with that expectation unless you are lucky enough to be working on a project in public or private land set aside for recreational use only. Given the nature of our sport that is not a reality as we want long fast gnarr filled sections of trail that will likely pass through many different land types. You have to understand people can be very passionate on both side of the table, to the point of willingness to get physical. I can speak to this knowledgably on this as I am both a trail advocate and a land owner.
We have started the build process of this trail in 5 sections and 3 of those sections are almost complete. We have 2 zones with in 2 different sections where we need privately contracted owned and operated heavy equipment (IE they carry their own insurance) to build two short sections of trail like A-line/crank it up. We also need resources to build two parking lots, a trail head, and to install another gate to finalize this project. We plan to have most of the trail “rollable” at completion of the next work party. Reality is recreation funds in this slow economic time are hard to come by and the WDNR needs our help to raise funds to complete the trail.
Thank you for listening and I hope you accept my challenge!
Get on IMBA,donate, they have such a large resource of information for advocates.
To sum it up: A legitimate, dedicated trail society, with a legal trail system has huge benefits.
-To be able to secure the huge amount of private and government funding for the building and maintaining of trails.
-To be able to advertise the trails you built, show off, tell your friends!
-To be an environmental steward.
And to me, the most rewarding of all:
-To be allowed to build and ride bike awesome bike trails, with no fear of them getting cut down. To have everything we put so much time into protected!
Please check out our trail society website: The Castlegar Mountain Bike Society
Vince
www.castlegar-mtb.com
If you’ve ever ridden a poorly crafted and unmaintained trail, you know that there are dangers all over. Rusty nails to catch you or your bike on, small or unstable berms on corners that really matter, or jumps that are pointed at trees. I personally don’t want a rusty nail going through my hand again. These hazards all contribute to how people view the mountain bike scene in your area, but trail quality isn’t the only problem either.
We need to keep our trails clean. We need to be the example that doesn’t leave energy bar wrappers or empty PBR cans lying around. If we can do just that, I feel a lot of opportunities will start showing up out of nowhere for more trails to be constructed, which in the end equals to more fun to be had. Soon enough, there will be epic trails everywhere for all ages and styles.
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It’s crazy to see mountain bike parks popping up everywhere, especially ones like Duthie Hill in Issaquah, WA. What’s better than a FREE and LEGAL bike park that has everything from simple XC trails to trails that have 20-foot booters? Not to mention volunteer hands pretty much built the whole thing and if you want, you can volunteer your time to new trails or polishing up some old ones.
Duthie Hill is a great example of what can be created and maintained by a mountain bike community. If we can show that effort in the illegal trails we build too, we might be able to turn some important noggins our way. Take pride in building your trails and be fervent about cleaning up after yourself. Putting passion in both of those areas is our key to the golden age of mountain biking.
i live in ireland and the mountain biking(downhil) community here is about 250-300 people ive found that my 3 years in dh that everyone are good friends when someone needs help to build a track or maintaining one all they do is ask.......over here legal dh trails are unheard ofwe ask the forestry for permission there is no money or funding just shovels wheelbarrows rakes and man power.....the best trails here are the legal ones as we are aloud to build/maintain them so if a jump is need of work we are able to do it.one trick to deal with land managers is to give them what they want eg respect,no big huge jumps,no litter,no road gaps
There are however the ups and downs of all this!
You get some (not all) old grandparents who strictly forbid it. On the other hand you may get a family out on a sunny afternoon stroll who watch in gasps of AWERSOMENESS!
Personally I feel more motivated to hit bigger or jumps or even pull the occasional trick (as I'm a dirt jumper). As if I’m with a training friend I'm scared that crash and will both be in some chain reacting injury with a broken phone and no contact.
From experience of this sort of situation I once encountered a mother (walking) and her young son riding near an illegal trail. He asked me how to hit the jump. Told him the technique and he landed it rather well for a first timer (no crash or injury, just a slight over clear). After mum was feeling overwhelmed and no one could have been happier... well except one.
He had to be there didn't he. As the Pensioning birdwatcher was dragging along the pavement he peaked into the small kicker and came down a pessimistic attitude. Beginning with judgementally accusing me and my friend of building it, he went on about whose rights it was to build, suing for injuries, littering (where no detritus was in sight)...
However as I replied, his argument of picky comments diminished.
carry on -
"Why are you digging up the ground for a bit of fun and leaving rubbish everywhere."
"Where's the litter?"
"Eeeeeemmmmmmmmmm... but I know local trails,"
"Really with jumps?" (Because me and my mates didn't know and we had been doing the sport in that area for roughly 4 years)
"Penshurst,"
"You mean the trail an hour away (drive) which my mother can't drive me to daily because she works abroad,"
"Well can't you stay inside and play with your video games or whatever?"
"What and become obese, I think not I like to keep active, fit and adrenaline pumping, furthermore I'm not going on diet, I like my food thanks."
"Supposedly what happens if someone gets injured then and they try to sue the council?"
"I haven't heard of anyone suing the council yet for this reason, besides its on an illegal trail and it's COMMON SENSE!"
"Well you choose you place to build it didn't ya; cause I saw it!"
"WWWWWOOOOWWWWW why where you walking on the pavement and not in here (it was in the middle of a triangle where roads secluded it - so no one goes in it, also about a quarter of an acre in size). Crucially we live on the Ashdown Forest! 8000 acres!! And you have to pick on this one free spot here!!!"
By this point he just left in silence.
IN MY OPINION MTB’S HOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE FOREST AS WELL! WE SUPPOSIDLY CHURN UP THE TERRAIN! HOWEVER HORSES ARE ALLOWED AND THEY CHURN PATHS INTO A STICKY MUD BATH THAT GETS WIDER AS THEY WALK AVOID IT BY GOING TROTTING AROUND IT!!!
Also I would like to pay special thanks to Amajors for letting a friend and I help build and use his trails they are some of the best hand build trails in the world check them out at:
amajors.pinkbike.com
My local area could really do with something like his because he talked to the farmer and he let him build there and because it is private there is no litter or rubbish that comes with some of the illegal trails build by less caring people.
thanks
There is a certain irony that exists where a “freedom machine” can be at the center of so much controversy I think you might agree. In a time where politicians build their brand and create a platform around concepts like freedom; less big government; go green; curbing childhood obesity; lowering taxes; the bicycle transcends all of these themes. This irony also begs the question do citizens really want their state and local leaders focused on solving this “problem” of rogue trail building or do citizens want their elected officials focused on more pressing issues like the creation of jobs and improving our living conditions? It stands to reason that the mountain bike industry as a whole helps the political agenda more than the political agenda helps our biking community. Any fraction of $61B in sales tax is a huge number not to mention the indirect impacts of biking to health and reduction of greenhouse emissions.
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State Parks and state land are maintained and paid for by our tax dollars. These lands are generally considered multi-use by land managers. Depending on the park it’s not uncommon to see hikers, runners, climbers, and equestrians all sharing the same land just the way parks were originally envisioned. With the exception of foot traffic, I would argue that equestrians and climbers represent a larger environmental impact and represent more liability and risk than bikers. It could also be argued that equestrian and climbing industries generate less tax revenue than our biking community. To this end, why do we continue to get singled out as being such a negative force in our communities? Do we have fewer rights to the land than other sports enthusiast? Apparently we do, and our elected officials don’t want to deal with.
I have participated in trying to “legalize” a DH trail system and was unsuccessful. The state was offering some sort of amnesty to the rogue trail builders [state term] whereby if we stopped cutting our own trails, they would reciprocate with a section of the land where we could cut more technical trails. 5-years later, nothing...except 10x rogue trail building once it was recognized we were getting slow rolled government. Many of the trails we have created have become multi-use trails that support hikers and in some cases equestrians. That said we don’t litter or bring in any pressure treated lumber…we build all natural.
As someone who has invested hundreds of hours of personal time into trail building and tens of thousands In bikes, I will not stand down on unauthorized trail building until the government and state land managers develop a formal process that will accommodate our sport.
Happy trails!
This is my thinking, and I apologize for the language
well it hard to beat good hidden trail were no one knows wheres it is only you and your friends and are never busy
with people and you can change the berms and jumps without any hassil or anyone complasning about like if you done that on a legal trail you would probabley have the police on you or the forest service in an instant and they talk about legal trails costing loads of money were are they going to get it all to build all of these "legal" trails anyway although i think most legal trails are a good idea because you can meet new people but you will get some pricks who just wreck everthing.......
bikers and the public for over 15 years. Just look at the North Shore trails in Vancouver. For years people were building world class illegal trails, but unfortunately they were continually getting torn down, by land owners, rangers, etc. It took many years, and a whole lot of determination and time from many volunteers to establish trail societies, working with land owners and the provincial government to reach a common ground to work on.
In many towns/cities there has been great headway made as far as the development of mountain bike trails. I feel this is due to the persistence of the individuals, and more so the creation of organized societies. It is mainly through advocacy that we can hope to gain the respect we are trying so hard to earn.
If you talk to just about any biker on the Pinkbike forums, they will all tell you the same: basically all of the trails we ride are illegal. This is unfortunate because these trails we love are at risk of being destroyed. Whether it be by private land owners, the province, or people that simply don`t think we should be there.
The fact is, we do deserve to be there. Crown land is public land. Every citizen has a stake in it, we all have the right to use this land, within certain scopes of course. The province has made a lot of headway on this topic. They have created a mountain bike policy, which I urge every mountain biker to read: www.sitesandtrailsbc.ca/about/mountain-biking.aspx
There have been extensive studies on the environmental impacts of biking on trails. It has been determined that hikers on a trail do as much if not more damage than a mountain biker.
Unless, we as mountain bikers step up. Join your local club. If your town doesn`t have one, start one. Simply start talking to people in the business, make contacts. Get involved. Become an advocate. The very least you can do is to educate yourself.
Get on IMBA,donate, they have such a large resource of information for advocates.
To sum it up: A legitimate, dedicated trail society, with a legal trail system has huge benefits.
-To be able to secure the huge amount of private and government funding for the building and maintaining of trails.
-To be able to advertise the trails you built, show off, tell your friends!
-To be an environmental steward.
And to me, the most rewarding of all:
-To be allowed to build and ride bike awesome bike trails, with no fear of them getting cut down. To have everything we put so much time into protected!
Please check out our trail society website: The Castlegar Mountain Bike Society
Vince
www.castlegar-mtb.com
Nobody should neg the hell outta one of these comments to make sure you get more "Mad Props" and win your prizes!
Some of these opinions are damn well valid and interesting so can we make sure the decent ones get to the top as I for one don't want to have to scour around for them as lets be honest LOADS of people are going to write summin
Thanks Players
I'm going to start by saying that I see the benefits of official trails in Ireland and understand all the hard work that has gone into getting them. I know Coilte(semi-state forestry body in ireland) wants to make more because of the there success but the way the trails are being built now I think less is more.
Like these trails are great fun and all, fast, flowy and the new one in 3rock has tonnes of great rocks to jump off(almost overkill) . The trails open the door for tonnes of new bikers but I fear they could be come a step back the progression of mountain-biking if we begin to rely on them.
Why? Well these trails are stagnant, they're relatively similar, not particularly challenging and they're not built by mountain bikers. My progression in this this sport has been from exploring, taking wrong turns, discovering something new and that never ending quest to come across that perfect trail. Something that is simply not possible with Coilte trails as there is that lack of diversity and sense of adventure.
Until there is more power to clubs and trail builders to build legal trails I feel the future of biking is in the illegal trials
I don't know if money would help our problem, but I do know that we need help to either save the trails or construct a dedicated mountain bike trail system here that won't get taken away from us.
Here, I have recently joined a group which tries to work TOGETHER with the local authorities to create safe and fun trails to ride, to keep these maintained and to make more and more of our favorite illegal trails legal. From walking down trails and as a group discussing improvements, to joining townhall meetings on the subject, the group has always closely cooperated with the authorities, gained respect and is finally achieving goals which every mountainbiker dreams of.
I think there are many people out there who should take an example of this, many who stand on one side or the other and refuse to shake hands and work together, for a world in which all trails are legal but will also still leave you panting, your hands shaking, your eyes wide open, shouting: HOLY SH*T I WANNA DO THAT AGAIN!!
There are legal trails which are godlike, and those which are pure crap. Illegal trails arent ridden this much, which leads to a more natural aspect in a way. Its also the interesting aspect which makes illegal trails attractive, because when you enter a trail you have never ridden before, you never know what you have to expect.
But you cannot say this in general. That means, you can have bad luck with illegal trails as much as you can with legal ones. Same thing with good luck of course!
Share a story (good or bad) about getting legal trails on the ground near you.
In our local Freeride Team called "Gravity Union", we made it to a local bike trail, where we can build everything we want. The only thing is, that we are liable for the maintenance work. This was a long process of discussing with the local mayor, because of the dangerousness for others. But nothing happend until now - thank god!
Share any tricks you’ve found for dealing with the ins and outs of government land managers.
It's always good to enjoy the confidence of land managers, the mayor and other people, who are important for causing anything in your hometown - and so it is with building a trail. When they don't like you because of anything you did or did not, its pretty hard to receive anything good from them. We accomplished that with a workshop for kids in our dirtpark and our pumptrack. That was a cool thing, because it was LOADS of fun riding with the youngguns, for us and especially for them!
btw, sorry for my english.. im an austrian
Definatly the massive boom in the past 2 years. There are so many people who start riding since 2010 - this is kinda amazing because the community is getting bigger and bigger. A bigger community means huge possibilities, whether you want to have a big party, an event, trips or just the perfect sunday morning ride on the local trails!
btw, sorry for my english.. im an austrian
Regarding tips for working with land managers - be respectful, show them that mountain bikers are good people who want to do good work in the woods. Also, make sure and follow through on details to the T.
We have been working on this project for 4 years and this year the USFS are making a big investment, as a result of our lobbying and advocacy efforts.
Get in touch if you have questions. Thanks, Patrick
Patrick Kell
Executive Director
Vermont Mountain Bike Association
In today's society of rapid industrialization, the dwindling amount of nature we have is a precious commodity. There are innumerable demographics all competing for usage of these lands. Who is given the divine right and who are excluded from these lands? Overall, activities harmful to the environment we all enjoy would probably be cut first. Mountain biking can enable riders to flow harmoniously with nature if some routine precautions are kept in mind. The same could be said for driving down the street in your car. Some things are just common sense. Would it look out of place if i drove my hummer through city park? Maybe. The same could be said when you are riding single track. There is always the potential to devastate the environment you're riding in. Just like there is always the potential i COULD drive down the wrong side of the high way. Environmentally destructive mountain biking could be attributed to neglecting sustainable trail designs, or from off-trail impacts on a well maintained trail.
The Alpine Recreation Strategic Study met Vancouver's demand for trails and open space. This happened for a couple reasons. Pirate bike trails were devastating the riparian and diverse tree zones on Fromme Mountain. Trails and open space also ranked 2nd behind parks in a community survey by the District of North Vancouver. This made the (DNV) realize a sustainable network of trails that satisfied different types of riders was in order. I'd say the only benefit pirated mountain bike trails have had were the ladder bridges of the north shore. The significance of this wasn't the ladder bridges, but the concept of obstacles or technical trail features on a trail. Now some of the trails locals kept, while others were deemed unsustainable. The DNV did close some trails, but got a grant worth 800,000 dollars to enforce ones that were kept open. The door officially opened for gravity riders in Vancouver. Suddenly, technical trail feature were being utilized to limit the effects of mountain biking in Vancouver's almost jungle like environment. Native resource consumption is now endorsed and utilized by the DNV.
The most important part of the Alpine Recreation Strategic Study was that community benefits were directed towards mountain bikers by the local government. This takes a lot of the stress both financially and mentally out of rider's pockets. The only way this will happen around the world is if mountain bikers actively pursue political trails.
In the Okanagan we are blessed with an abundance of trails on which to ride, most of which are wildlife trails that have been cleaned up for riding.
Local riders have created trails everywhere, regardless of who owns the land. With the creation of a bike club in 2009 however, some local riders have begun to work within a framework of respect and negotiations. The ‘duck and hide’ method of land access is ridiculous. Given that we are surrounded by crown land, avoiding land access issues is short-sighted.
Our local bike club has reached out to numerous groups, including BC crown land ministries, BC Parks, The Land Conservancy, The Nature Conservancy and private land managers. In every case we were amazed at the open-armed welcome that we received. We’ve integrated into local hiking clubs; provided them maps, hiked with them and worked side-by-side with their members during trail days. In return, we gained their respect and are often shown new trails!
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Legal / sanctioned trails are the future of the sport. They are generally better constructed and maintained, offer a more consistent, properly signed rider experience and allow more people to get into the sport. Crown land management groups only require that we construct trails to ‘Whistler Standards’, which is easy as it simply means following IMBA standards. The majority of illegal trails are constructed without sustainability in mind and need constant maintenance.
Due to the array of trails already in place, trail maintenance is a priority, as opposed to the creation of additional trails. But getting folks off their bikes and onto the trails with tools in hand - for even a single day, has proven to be quite a challenge.
Oddly, most riders fail to grasp the fact that they have a part to play in keeping their favorite trails in good condition. We have a bright future with recreational trails and land access in the Okanagan. What we need moving forward is more participation from riders, and an open mind to realizing that change is good!
Andrew - President - PACA
www.bikepenticton.com
This is an appeal for support of mountain biking in Calgary, Alberta
Help make Calgary’s first mountain bike skills park a reality by voting for funding here:
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Theres something awesome about having your jumps tucked away where no one will find them (you hope), for just you and your buddies to ride, without worrying about grommelets, hikers, or crack heads.
However, I still wish to comment on this discussion. On the front of illegal trails, I dont find that they are ever a problem to upkeep or look after as long as the riders that use it understand the rule that if you dont dig, you dont ride! Its fairly simple and it helps teach people how to build trails and get an understanding of the work that goes into making them. The main problem that I find is that the land owners often dont like us using their land because of the problem of liability if anything goes wrong. For a trail to exist the land owner should technically have insurance incase something bad happens, due to the ever growing sueing culture. I think this is one of the main problems here. We build the trails and the people that build them understand the risks and would not sue, however, when the pesky kids on their crapmobiles find out about the trail, ride it wrong and unsafely they do themselfs damage and their parents get involved and the land owner gets it in the neck.
Solution? I cant think of one to be honest and this is why the trails are illegal. We (trail builders) have talked with the land owner and said we will sign a disclosure on our part that we take full responsibility, but this doesnt cover the other people who turn up.
Cheers for reading
Regarding tips for working with land managers - be respectful, show them that mountain bikers are good people who want to do good work in the woods. Also, make sure and follow through on details to the T.
We have been working on this project for 4 years and this year the USFS are making a big investment, as a result of our lobbying and advocacy efforts.
Get in touch if you have questions. Thanks, Patrick
Patrick Kell
Executive Director
Vermont Mountain Bike Association
A few years ago, a small single track trail was closed down near my house due to "environmental destruction" from mountain bikers. The town failed to do their research which I found out in my paper that from many credible scientific studies, mountain biking is the least environmentally caustic to trails than hiking, horseback riding, and off-roading. The government needs to stop listening to the "environmentally friendly" tree huggers and do some research. Mountain biking is not a crime, and is just a large population of individuals who enjoy riding their bikes in what little natural beauty our planet has left
Of course as you may expect with these trails they slowly became less popular with the locals as over the years they have been subdued to lack of maintenance vandalism and lack of use, though I do have to say they were very poorly laid out. They didn’t use the full extents of the hill poor decisions on placement of features and a very cheap hard pack which has washed away to boulders and is unbearable to ride on.
In summer 2009 the trails received some modifications and new sections were put in and once again they regained a little spark but quickly faded.
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I find it a little odd that something that didn't belong to someone in the first place(our natural world), can become so exclusive. When I say "a little odd" I actually mean down right absurd. The idea that a particular user group should be ruled out of being allowed to enjoy the land, which I believe should belong to everyone who respects it, is beyond me. With the "freedom to roam" policy being a pipe dream for now; I have found that getting involved, advocacy, and building trails legally is the fastest way to getting sustainable trails.
I was an active member of the MMBA, Michigan Mountain Bike Association, when I lived in west Michigan. The MMBA would team of for trail days at least once a month and would also have fund raising races and rides a couple times a year.
It didn't take long for all that labor to come to fruition. We got new trails installed on public and private lands. We also had a pretty sweet skills center installed at the local ski hill with some fairly progressive tables, bridges, and drops. Shortly after I moved out of state, the city I lived in had a "bike park" installed within the city limits, thanks in large part to the MMBA. Initially it had a bmx track, pump track, and dirt jumps put in.
Anyways, it didn't take much effort by the individual for land managers to open their eyes and get on board when the collective efforts of those involved seemed so great. So get out there, assemble, and get involved. For those of you that remember the A-Team..."I love it when a plan comes together!!!!!"
Any way I really wanted to ride this to in two weekend’s work me and a mate successfully restored the track to its former glory all trees removed rock gardens rebuilt and best of all it flowed beautifully. I was thanked by many riders and once again this was reopened and people flocked in to go ride a once well used track.
After this I spent many weekends riding there improving my skills and making new friends I also helped with modifications to make the track ride better and safer. So after a summer of riding the winter weather set in days got colder and snow was predicted.
I received news that the Forestry Commission had returned to the track. my heart sank I thought all that work that we had done to make the track once again safe and ride able had literally been flushed away. Though unfortunately the snow set in and temperatures dropped and there was no way I was going to try rebuild.
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Of course as you may expect with these trails they slowly became less popular with the locals as over the years they have been subdued to lack of maintenance vandalism and lack of use, though I do have to say they were very poorly laid out. They didn’t use the full extents of the hill poor decisions on placement of features and a very cheap hard pack which has washed away to boulders and is unbearable to ride on.
In summer 2009 the trails received some modifications and new sections were put in and once again they regained a little spark but quickly faded.
(part 1 of 4)
of course me and the original builder went up to fix the damage which wasn’t too bad just the fact every rock had been torn out leaving gaping holes in the track and of course this as I quote a "death trap" all the rocks that were there had gone and the race was the next weekend s we set out to try and recover the track and prepare it for the race. We successfully managed to repair what was done though new line had to be made round many features that had been destroyed.
I have to say the race was a success we had a big turnout of about 25 riders and quite a few spectators and a professional photographer turned up as well we all had a fun day and the weather managed to hold out though it was abit nippy but its Scotland and even though the timing system broke fun was still to be had hand the day was a success.
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And as I say live to ride and ride your way.
Lewis
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I find it a little odd that something that didn't belong to someone in the first place(our natural world), can become so exclusive. When I say "a little odd" I actually mean down right absurd. The idea that a particular user group should be ruled out of being allowed to enjoy the land, which I believe should belong to everyone who respects it, is beyond me.
With the "freedom to roam" policy being a pipe dream for now; I have found that getting involved:advocacy, assembly, and building trails legally is the fastest way to getting sustainable and long lasting trails. I was an active member of the MMBA, Michigan Mountain Bike Association, when I lived in west Michigan. The MMBA would team up to build and repair trails. We would also have fund raising races a couple times a year.
It didn't take long for all that labor to come to fruition. We got new trails installed on public and private lands. We also had a pretty sweet skills center installed at the local ski hill with some fairly progressive tables, bridges, and drops. Shortly after I moved out of state, the city I had lived in had a "bike park" installed within the city limits, thanks in large part to the MMBA. Initially it had a bmx track, pump track, and dirt jumps put in.
Anyways, it didn't take much effort by the individual for land managers to open their eyes and get on board when the collective efforts of those involved seemed so great. So get out there, assemble, and get involved.
Of course legal trails are better than illegal. It's not the legality that bothers builders and riders, it's the cons that generally come with a legal trail. Can you have a legal trail that is as easy to maintain and as fun to ride as an illegal one? I think so. I can understand the draw toward illegal trails, but it's selfish for a small group of riders to expect total control over a trail on public land. I'd love to have a trail like that, but I don't pretend to have any right to build one. Why should I get to have a private trail on public land?
To me, private trails are a great option for legal building independent of the government red tape. They involves some of the independence of a rogue trail with the benefit of legality, regular maintenance, etc. But you'll pay. Really, no trails are free, and it makes sense for the user to be the one to pay for and control the trail rather than the taxpayers who have no interest. Successful private ventures include BMX parks, Ray's, and all the lift assisted riding at ski resorts.
Despite all the difficulties, public legal trails are a viable option. They've worked for various recreational groups for years. The real issue comes from the new wave of mountain biking (FR,DH,DJ). The MTB revolution has thrown a curve ball at the system because we now require mountain-bike specific trails that are difficult to share with hikers and horses. Here in Phoenix, we have the biggest city park in the nation, and it has had share-use trails all over it for decades. Some of those trails turned out to bee fun to shuttle, and suddenly we have issues. Clearly, the gravity biking set is a little different user with a little different need. We think it's obvious, but non-bikers don't see the difference. Thus, we need to educate those who don't understand the need. Freeride MTB is in a similar position to skateboarding back in the 80s/90s and I hope we follow a similar path. Whether public or private, legal trails done right trump illegal trails any day.
I moved to the Phoenix area four years ago and as I got involved in the local scene, I learned about a rogue group of freeride trails on National Forest land. Not much of a secret; these trails are known of by the government but they have turned a blind eye so far. Efforts to legalize or destroy the trails have been made by different groups, but neither have succeeded. I don't feel like I'm sneaking around when I ride these trails, but I start to feel it a bit when I dig, and I almost always think about how bad it would stink if they finally lived up to their threats and shut it down.
Since these trails are on National Forest Land, the same as the trails on Teton Pass in Wyoming made famous by the Teton Freedom Rider's, I've had hopes that a similar precedent for legalization could be followed here in AZ. Legalization or privatization of our local trails would allow us to really do some cool things and the pros would far outweigh the cons. Over the last few years, efforts to organize riders and move things forward have started and ended multiple times. I'm guessing most riders are like me; I'd love to take on advocacy but I have a full time job and a family and I know I can't commit to the time necessary to do it alone. I wish I could. The sad thing is, we have the numbers to justify it and the heart to make it happen. We just need a spark to light the fire!
Be nice! Be humble! The best thing we can do is leave a good impression on everyone. The more people think that guys in full-face helmets are a bunch of Hell's Angels who don't give a crap about anyone, the more our cause is hurt. Until some skaters cut their hair, pulled up their pants and started playing the game the big boys were playing, nothing happened. We can't act like we're the center of the universe and that we're entitled to whatever we want. We aren't. We're incredibly blessed to even live in a place where we have the health, time, and money to enjoy any amount of the incredible pleasure that riding a bike brings. Most of the people who have or who will ever live on earth have never had that taste. I thank God for it every day.
The same progress that brings incredibly technical bikes also brings, unfortunately, cumbersome government and society. We have to understand the world of red tape we live in. Things take time. The right people have to be educated so that they can understand the need and the proper way to meet the need (that's exactly what Pedal Driven is for). I think most people are good and want to help. If they see a worthy need, they'll make an effort to meet it. Let's show the world that we need trails! If this is the biggest struggle we have in our lives, then we have great lives!
Where there is a will there is a way. Sometimes we think that our only option is to build illegal trails to ride on. But it is frustrating when you go to all this hard work and the next day it is destroyed. It wasn't until the abandoned road was closed that I looked at the other options.
I never dreamed of building a pump track or dirt jumps on my property; I was too busy being satisfied with the abandoned road. But now something greater has come along. I am going to build something that will last. And it will be there for anyone who wants to come and enjoy it.
If anyone is discouraged, I encourage you to get busy. Do you or someone you know have property that you can use? It can’t hurt to ask them if you can build something on it. Contact your city park board. Before you ask for permission get your plan laid out. Make a drawing of what you are going to be building. Do you know someone with heavy machinery that you could trade work for? (For example, you mow their yard in exchange for them doing a little dirt work for you.) You could have a meeting with your riding friends. If you can recruit a couple of your friends and work for a few hours a day, before you know it you will have an awesome place to ride. The options are out there, we just need to seize the opportunities and work hard.
It is probably all down to jealousy, the governemnt feel they need more money off of the tax payer and if we build better quality shit than them then they lose out, how pathetic.
i will leave you with this: Who do you choose at times like this, fellow riders or the Governments?
This is where illegal trails hurt our situation. We have such a serious lack of legitimate trails to ride. Bikers on a large scale are building illegal trails simply because they have nowhere else to go. There towns sell the bikes, but no one is trying to legitimize any sort of trail system, so naturally illegal trails are built. This is where trails may be poorly built, unsafe, environmentally damaging, etc. Thus, these trails will ultimately be torn down. The alternative to this is, if a bike club chooses to reclaim old trails as there own. In this case the existing trails may be upgraded to meet modern standards. This doesn`t mean downsizing either, if you think legal trails cant be fun, please look at the trail system in Black Rock Oregon.
It was a cool Kansas afternoon last fall. I got my Specialized Pitch Pro out and put my helmet on. I raced at full speed down the road, the refreshing wind blowing across my face. As I pedaled toward the old abandoned road near our house, I thought, “How could this get any better?”
The trail wasn’t as technical as my friend’s trail in California, but I had built some jumps, and it was rocky and fast. As I flew around the corner toward the first jump, my heart stopped. The bold letters on the sign seemed to laugh at me as they said, “No trespassing.”
It had taken about eight months and a lot of sweat for this fifteen- year old to earn enough money for his new bike. And after all that work, his only trail was shut down.
After some tough thinking and talking to my friend, I asked my parents if I could build a pump track and some dirt jumps on our six acres we have. They said, “You can, but isn’t that going to be a lot of work?” I told them that I wanted to work this summer and fall to save money. If I had a loader, I could build legal trails on my property as well as help out at some local trails here in Kansas. So my dad surprised me and said, “I will pay for half of the loader if you earn the other half.”
You have 2 possibilities to build something: Wait for 1/2 to 10 years until you're trail is legal or take the shovel go into the forest and build.
At the moment I do both of these options.
But if ure trail is illeagal u can get really creativ and build some really nice things what u ant. We had a little concept of building our trail:
In the first year it was a little trail with mo berms and no jumps.
Now we are in the 3rd year and there already exist some fun stuff. There was never turn down anything, beause i think that hikers and landowners became accostomed to what we did. If we build that stuff in one month it would have been torn down.
An other thing is to build with the underground and not against it. That means: Dont build something where u have to shovel for ages: 1) too much work and 2) nature should be respected (who wants to have some big northshore ledders in there own forest?, no one)
Nevertheless, most important is to be lucky about the people who own the land and the forest officials.
We were:
They came from the Northshore
Legal or not, it's in our blood to never stop.
Enough said!
I win!
I can expect the check in the mail?