Randoms From the Pits: World Cup DH, Leogang

Jun 11, 2015 at 13:22
by Mike Kazimer  

Intense M16 Carbon

Hot on the heels of Intense's new aluminum framed M16 downhill bike, a carbon version appears to be on the way. The bike shares the same lines, and likely the same geometry of its aluminum counterpart, but this one uses a carbon fiber front and rear triangle. Intense was mum about the exact details, but word is the bike, which was designed by Jeff Steber in collaboration with SEED engineering in Germany, is still in the testing phase of the development process.

Carbon Intense M16



Sam Dale's Prototype Shimano Pedals

The first hint that Shimano was working on a new DH-oriented clipless pedal came in the form of Neko Mullaly's pedals at first stop of the World Cup in Lourdes. Sam Dale is now in possession of a set of the pedals as well, although his look to be using a different resin platform than what was previously seen. The shaping of the outer cage is slightly different as well, changes that are no doubt meant to ensure that the pedals are durable enough to withstand impacts, as well as being soft enough to prevent them from getting hung up on rocks.

Dale s shimano pedals. Different plastics than what Neko has been running




Mick Hannah's Prototype Polygon

I've lost track of how many prototype bikes Mick Hannah has been spotted on over the last couple of seasons, but his ride from Polygon for this weekend looks more refined and production ready than ever. The rear suspension uses a floating dual-link layout, with a BOS Void air shock situated between the seat tube uprights. Amidst a sea of SRAM and Shimano drivetrains, the bike's BOX Components short cage rear derailleur stands out. The derailleur is paired with the company's unique single lever shifter that's pushed forward to shift up through the gears, or is pushed directly inwards using the flat portion at the end of the lever to shift to harder gears.

Possibly the final Polygon prototype.




Brook Macdonald's Harmonic Damper

Brook Macdonald's Trek Session is equipped with a prototype version of a harmonic damper that's designed to prevent any chattering from the rear end under heavy braking. Combining a light frame with big powerful stoppers like Shimano's Saint brakes can occasionally lead to unwanted vibrations, which is where a device like this comes in handy. Two pieces of rubber with a brass center piece are found inside the unit, technology that Trek originally developed for their hardtail customers, as well as for cyclists seeking a way to reduce the amount of high frequency vibrations transmitted from the road.


Brook s brake thing.
possibly a vibration damper





FOX's New Float X2 For Blenkinsop

Sam Blenkinsop is running FOX's new Float X2 air shock on his carbon Norco Aurum this weekend, which could be a good choice given the more bike park nature of the track. The course is filled with massive jumps, berms, and high speed sections, where it's important to have a shock with a high degree of bottom out resistance, something that air sprung shocks are inherently good at. Like the coil sprung version, the Float X2 features high- and low-speed compression and high- and low-speed rebound adjustment, allowing for plenty of adjustment to get it dialed in perfectly prior to race day.

Sam Blenkinsop with the air shock this weekend.




Bernard Kerr's Questionable Cockpit

Bernard Kerr took a RaceFace SIXC carbon bar and direct mount stem, and then after a bit of grinding managed to mount them to his 1990 Kawasaki motorcycle, although it looks like he may have misplaced a bolt. Hopefully he's not planning to attempt any Stoppie Sundays on this rig.

Bernard Kerr s 1990 Kawasaki with carbon bars and a questionable stem setup.




Emilie Siegenthaler's Pivot Phoenix

Bernard Kerr's teammate, Emilie Siegenthaler, is another rider who will be riding on FOX's Float X2 rear shock. Her Shimano and Race Face equipped bike is also sporting a set of prototype carbon rims from Reynolds that use an asymmetric spoke hole configuration and are much wider internally than anything that Reynolds currently has on the market.

Emelie Siegenthaler s Pivot
Emelie Siegenthaler s proto reynolds cabon wheels. Asymetric rims and much wider internal profile




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88 Comments
  • 94 0
 I always thought Polygon was just in the prototype business.
  • 25 0
 i think it is pretty rad they are so dedicated to tinkering for their racers
  • 6 1
 Looks slack as fuck!
  • 4 0
 i think its like a 58 HA hahaha but seriously that is low and long.
  • 45 1
 Polygon has a full range of bikes and sells in countries all over the world. But we feel that racers should have the best of the best to race on. In most other racing sports you can not buy, ride or drive what the pros are riding. They have different needs than the majority of riders out there. And if Polygon decides to put this model into production look how much time they have spent on testing and perfecting it. That is the time that Polygon puts into all of the models they have for sale.
  • 11 0
 Can I have one?
  • 2 1
 waht happened to mik on fort bill?
  • 7 2
 @Jackquinn, there is one in the mail for you, check your mail box Monday at noon. It should be there ...
  • 6 0
 @JoseBravo, he broke a bone in his hand in practice I think. he still raced but was not 100% ...
  • 1 0
 thanks, I hope he does well on sunday. I love how much he tucks on big jumps
  • 5 0
 @JoseBravo, they have had a lot of bad luck this season. I am really looking forward to seeing them get some momentum on their side. They are such a good group of riders ...
  • 76 6
 That M16 looks so sexy!
  • 74 30
 Looks like a V10
  • 23 27
flag judgerider348 (Jun 11, 2015 at 14:05) (Below Threshold)
 The box says it all : (
  • 51 5
 The reason that Intense and SC bikes look alike is that the two companies collaborated on their suspension design.
  • 21 4
 That is a Wheel Box...
  • 10 10
 mike-d1983 - You missed the point.
  • 24 2
 at least they still make alloy bikes in the good old u s of a
  • 3 2
 That is not a frame box..too short, you can see the print on the right side closet to camera. Looks more like what a stack of tires or hoops would come in.
  • 8 0
 I guess my tone was taken a different way. I think Intense bikes are BA and I have had one. Broke it and they replaced it with another one. I would get one again. It's just sad that we can't make stuff in America anymore. Great the engineering and the company is US owned it's just depressing that could be a good job for someone here.
  • 3 0
 Thar Polygon proto looks like the child of tr450 and yt tues.
  • 2 0
 @metong throw in a dh supreme and you've got a deal
  • 1 0
 judgerider348

The good new is, if there are more peeps riding them, the prices will drop and there will be even more peeps riding them and then folks like you and I will be all like
" back in my day " and everyone will think its f*cking cool that we have an M9 when they are riding M80's. Kinda like being in the lift line and someone shows up with an M1 thats still mint and shreddin'...Just wait, you'll see!!
  • 2 0
 @ judgerider348 - I don't think that's the box for the frame.

Back in the day "made in China" meant it was sh!t. But, you'd be hard pressed to find a carbon frame not made in china these days. I think we could produce good carbon in the states. Look at enve. It would just be significantly more expensive.
  • 2 0
 It looks disturbingly like the first generation ransom
  • 52 0
 Brook will need more than a harmonic balancer to stop the earthquakes he's creating as he explodes the track beneath him!
  • 16 0
 Haha Berhnard Kerrs qustionable cockpit look kinda wild
  • 20 5
 More photos of Bernard Kerr's Kawasaki please.
  • 14 4
 That harmonic dampener is just a re-purposing of some dampening road bar ends bontrager used to make. In both cases they add more weight than anything else.
  • 11 12
 Don't forget the revenue. Boutiques don't earn money on clothes, they get real margins on accessories.
  • 4 1
 @willybos : Yeah. Bar ends that have been around on motorcycles for years. Hardly high tech, but a good idea still.
  • 5 10
flag taskmgr (Jun 11, 2015 at 16:55) (Below Threshold)
 Google harmonics and you will see you are being fed bullshit from the bike industry. Source: im an automation electrician who deals with actual harmonics every day at work.
  • 19 0
 @makripper be more vague
  • 7 4
 If it is an actual problem, why didn't they just put that extra weight into stiffening the chain and/or seat stay? At least then you could have a stiffer rear-end AND less braking vibration.
  • 4 2
 Beat me to it. Instantly recognized that thing as we've got a pile of those bar end weights in a bin at the shop. I wonder if Trek's inspiration for this innovation was a similar problem...
  • 7 3
 But carbon was supposed to be eliminating vibration. So they say
  • 3 0
 Yep, the only time people put mass-dampers like that on their products is when the design didn't end up having the right stiffness. It's a quick-fix to change the natural vibration frequency.
  • 8 0
 @WAKIdesigns : The objective for using carbon never had anything to do with quelling vibration. The fact that carbon frames are able to dampen or soak up vibrations in particular ranges was incidental to it's original purpose.
  • 6 2
 I could not care less... I am a disillusioned owner of several carbon products - shall replace with aluminium when the time comes. I am glad I took that off my chest
  • 5 1
 Let it out Waki... this is the place. You're among friends.
  • 3 3
 @WAKIdesigns : It's all good mate! You're still one of the coolest dudes on PB!

Would you mind sharing why you are disillusioned?
  • 11 1
 Carbon not being equal carbon with no bigger ability to recognize which products are made using shopping bags and Electrolux vacuum cleaner. Latest designs going to bin (Yeti, Santa Cruz, Mondraker) aka customer as the guinea pig on how many layers can we take off so it looks good on kitchen scale? Local reports of carbon rims cracking all over the place, including ENVE 60s and 90s, some under 50kg girls. When will my go? Aluminuim goes too, sure, it is just cheaper to replace even in most expensive disguises. My rims being scratched through clearcoat everytime I put on/ take off a tyre. Large chunk fallen off my Blur near lower bearing. CrackedX0crank.com? Bleeding DOT filled brakes around carbon products... frame weight being irrelevant as long as it does not exceed 7bs. Latest breed of aluminium products coming close in weight and stiffness department, where I do not need to worry about hitting them with a hammer or straightening them with players or shoe. Yes people ride with cracked rims, frames for years - I personally won't - I expect more reliability for that price tag.

It's all fine, but at this price tag and stuff appearing to be marginally stronger than alu, I'd expect carbon to be something more than stiffness to weight ratio, especially that it lost some ground here as I said. XC racing, Marathon - no probs! Everything else, I choose alu on every next purchase.

I am speaking of MTB products used in rocky terrain in gloop. Too much lab test chat with aerospace industry references all over the place.
  • 1 2
 @WAKIdesigns : Well said!

I've been worried about the durability of carbon for some time. No doubt it's stronger, but strength and durability are two separate things.
  • 1 0
 I think people are liking how it feels .... I agree though. Aluminum generally ticks all the boxes.
  • 2 0
 If you're a hick like me you have been using these things for years... but not on bikes. Follow link mathewsinc.com/product/harmonic-stabilizer look familiar?
  • 10 2
 The shimano pedals look like theyre made out of Delrin. Slippery stuff some rock crawlers use as skid plates to slide over rocks. Probably just an easy material to work with for prototyping though.
  • 1 0
 Yep its incredibly easy to machine, but not very strong, it probably slips over things ok, but it's prone to cracking/breaking off in chunks.
  • 6 0
 yes, or maybe ptex/UHMWPE?
  • 2 0
 I would've guessed at nylon possibly even SLS nylon for prototypes. Bit tougher than Acetal, and it doesn't look like the shaft is running on the plastic either. I wouldn't trust an acetal pedal myself... Also if it was machined from acetal / Delrin they would look a bit "cleaner" but the fuzzy edges look like nylon as it doesn't cut that well...either that or they've been used a fair bit?
  • 2 0
 I give those set screws a one run lifespan if that's in fact Delrin.
  • 1 0
 Maybe it's just me, but it looks note like UHMW than Delrin...
  • 5 0
 Asymmetric is the future. Not this stupid BOOST148
  • 2 0
 That thing brook has reminds me of the harmonic balancers alessi used to, maybe he still does, put all over his bike to cut vibrations lol
  • 3 0
 After seeing Brook's bike I can't think of anything but this.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EED8F7P_q4
  • 3 1
 Douche bag comment of the day for me...

Hey, hey! Why not just use less brakes!? Way cheaper than a harmonic vibration damper...pfft take off Bulldog! Pfft
  • 1 0
 I don't see how two pieces of rubber with a brass center piece can prevent chattering? Trails are always going to be rough and because of that low speed compression should be tweaked to deal with it.
  • 1 0
 Vibration dampners are very very common. My Mitsubishi has 3 of them on the drive train alone. And they are basically the same thing. A heavy metal chunk held by rubber. And they do work because I broke one off 4x4ing and had vibrations at certain speeds. Put a new one and fixed the problem. But by the looks of the placement on the caliper it's will stop or help stop brake noise. Wich is just vibrations. And if your brakes are vibrating u have less braking power. But in the end. There are other ways to stop vibrations with out adding wights to your bike
  • 3 1
 Lol that harmonic damper is straight off of a Mathews solo cam bow. Good idea actually!
  • 4 0
 Exactly. Trek licensed it from them for their bar ends, and now for the brakes. For those who say it's bullshit, I rode the ugly orange ones trek put out many years ago, and they really did work. It was a minor, though noticeable difference.
  • 4 0
 That Norco looks awesome
  • 3 0
 pivot dh bike are so sexy
  • 3 0
 Remind me to not let Mr. Kerr wrench on my motorcycle.....
  • 2 0
 Where can i get that harmonic damper?
  • 1 0
 take my money...
  • 1 0
 An auto parts store. But it might be a big for your bike.
  • 1 0
 what mech is that on the back of the polygon ??
  • 1 0
 article said BOX
  • 1 0
 missed that cheers bro
  • 3 5
 Shimano - just don't make it into dumb resin cages again - they get broken when striking rocks even on uphills. It was starting to look good with XT/XTR trail pedal cages. I take times for float any day though...
  • 4 0
 Did you ever have the 636s? Those things would get bent and then the inner pedal would stop moving. I've never had that happen with the plastic bodies pedals.
  • 1 0
 doesnt look like resin, looks like delrin to me, very durable, should slide off rocks like butter and take some hard hits if thats what it is. Might also be Ptex like a cutting board or ski sidewalls.
  • 8 2
 @swassskier - yes they did get bend. I also owned a few pairs of DXs and 424s... mechanisms in half of them are almost new, do you want me to ship them to you if you still have the cages? Big Grin
@game - I want it made from Mithrill, I think that material is strongly underestimated by bike industry. Dwarves have been using it since ages. Is it ok to you say "Dwarf" here?
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns: they are vertically challenged people you insensitive clod!
  • 6 1
 I am a High Elf, hence my resentment
  • 1 0
 blenki may have the sexiest dh bike in the universe
  • 3 2
 Crazy stuff on that Trek brake. Looks good
  • 1 0
 That Norco though. So nice
  • 2 1
 SLAAAACK
  • 1 0
 45°
  • 1 2
 Is that motorcycle a Zephyr? Love those!! Would love to make a street tracker out of one.
  • 8 10
 The Intense m16 carbon looked like a V-10 to me till I read the caption , sexy bike still
  • 3 9
flag beneli (Jun 11, 2015 at 13:43) (Below Threshold)
 Clean up your eye balls then.
  • 8 0
 If you can't see the similarities of which there are many I think you should take your own advice. When you looked at the picture , in that 1st moment did you think ' wow a carbon M16 ' or did you think hang on not sure what that is but reminds me of a v-10 , front triangle , VPP linkage , similar rear triangle
  • 3 1
 The problem here is that everyone loves intense. They are an awesome company making awesome bikes, and there are only so many linkage designs that work great. There are a million horst linkages and even more four bar linkages, but when intense decides to make a bike that's vpp look more v10 like (even if the numbers are different and the company is different) everyone flips their shiz.

Lets not start the "looks like a session" business again.
  • 9 10
 v10 > m16
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