REVIEWED
Norco Sight Carbon 7.1
WORDS Mike Kazimer
PHOTOS Colin Meagher
Back in 2012, Norco first introduced the Sight as an aluminum framed, 26” wheeled trail bike with 140mm of travel. In keeping with the changing tides of the mountain bike marketplace, 2013 saw the launch of the 27.5” version, and now, for 2014, the popular trail bike is available with a carbon fiber frame. According to Norco, going with carbon fiber allowed for a 25% reduction in frame weight, a savings that had our size large test bike weighing in at a very reasonable 26.6 pounds. There are four possible build kits for the Sight, two of which employ a single ring, 1x11 drivetrain. We tested the 7.1, which retails for $5252 USD. The base model carbon version is $3545, and alloy versions are still available starting at $2409.
Norco Sight Carbon 7.1 Details
• Purpose: Trail
• Rear-wheel travel: 140mm
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Full carbon front triangle, seat stays, aluminum chain stays,
• 12 x 142mm rear axle
• ISCG 05 tabs
• Weight: 26.6 lbs (size L, without pedals)
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• MSRP: $5252 USD
Frame Details Norco's Sight Carbon is a bike that looks fast standing still, attracting the attention of more than a few riders whenever we rolled up to the trailhead on it. The black
and fluorescent yellow paint job draws the viewer's eye from the generously sloping top tube all the way back to the chain stays in one continuous motion, and the 1x11 drivetrain combined with internal cable routing helps to maintain the clean and sleek aesthetic.
The frame's front triangle and seat stays are constructed from carbon fiber, while the chain stays are made from aluminum for additional durability. For their carbon fiber construction, Norco uses a process they call 'SmoothCore', which the company says helps eliminate any potential wrinkles in the material during the layup, and creates a frame that is as smooth and finished looking on the inside as it is on the outside. The process isn't just for looks though, and this extra attention to detail is meant to improve the frame's strength to weight ratio. Joining the carbon seat stays to the rear shock is a one piece aluminum link arm, a design that's meant to increase the bike's lateral and torsional rigidity.
A tapered head tube, ISCG tabs, and a BB92 press fit bottom bracket ensure that the Sight's frame design fits right in with the current crop of all-mountain and trail machines. Norco uses Syntace's X-12 thru axle to secure the rear wheel, a system that uses an aluminum pinch bolt to hold on the derailleur hanger. This aluminum bolt is designed to break before the derailleur hanger does in the event of a hard enough impact, hopefully saving the derailleur and the hanger from costly damage. Thoughtfully, a spare bolt is threaded into the downtube of the Sight's frame should it ever be needed. The bike's cable routing is well managed, with the brake, shift, and dropper post housing all tucked nicely inside the frame. We did find that the internal cable guides had a tendency to come loose from their press fit perches in the frame, slightly detracting from the bike's polished looks. A frame protector is in place on the underside of the frame to ward off rock strikes, and there is an integrated chain stay guard to muffle any chain slap noise.
Geometry and Suspension Design The Sight uses Norco's Gravity Tune geometry, a principle originally developed for their downhill racers. In short, Gravity Tune ensures that the balance between a bike's front and rear center remains consistent between all frame sizes. If you look at the geometry chart, you'll notice that the chain stay measurement increases slightly with each size. This is accomplished through changes in the front triangle geometry - as the top tube gets longer with each size, the bottom bracket moves forward, ensuring that the front center to rear center ratio remains the same.
The Sight's suspension design uses what Norco calls
Advanced Ride Technology (A.R.T.), the company's take on a four bar linkage. The positioning of the rear pivot below the rear axle allows this suspension layout to be relatively unaffected by braking forces, and the rearward axle path is claimed to improve square edged bump performance. For their pivot hardware, Norco uses an expanding collet system that helps ensure that the bearing races are loaded evenly. A tapered shaft slides through a collet at each bearing, and when it is tightened down the assembly expands, uniformly loading the entire race.
Specifications
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Price
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$5252 |
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Travel |
140mm |
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Rear Shock |
Fox Float CTD Performance B/V |
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Fork |
Rockshox Revelation RLT 140 mm travel |
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Headset |
FSA Orbit C-40-ACB |
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Cassette |
Sram XG 1195 10-42 11 speed cassette |
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Crankarms |
SRAM X1 X Sync hollow forged w/ 32 T |
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Bottom Bracket |
SRAM X1 PF BB92 |
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Rear Derailleur |
SRAM X01 |
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Chain |
SRAM PC XX1 |
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Shifter Pods |
SRAM X01 |
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Handlebar |
Race Face Turbine 760mm |
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Stem |
Race Face Turbine stem |
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Grips |
Ergon GA1 EVO |
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Brakes |
Sram Elixir Trail 7 |
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Hubs |
DT 350 XX1 rear hub |
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Spokes |
DT Champion black stainless steel spokes |
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Rim |
Sun Inferno 25 |
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Tires |
Maxxis Ardent 27.5 x 2.25 EXO |
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Seat |
WTB Volt Race with chromoly rails |
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Seatpost |
Rockshox Reverb Stealth 30.9 mm |
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Riding the Sight Carbon 7.1
| 'Precise' best sums up the Sight's handling in technical terrain. The stiff carbon frame went a long way towards keeping it on track even when faced with sections of trail that required threading the needle through sharp rocks and even sharper cactus. |
Climbing and FitThe first thing we did before hitting the trails was to swap out the 90mm Race Face Turbine stem that our size large test rig came equipped with. For us, that's almost double the length we prefer, and in all honesty, we can't see why any modern mountain bikes are still showing up with stems over 70mm. It's become a refrain that we'll keep repeating until it's no longer an issue: short stems and wide bars are better. Period. Luckily, the Sight comes with a 760mm Race Face bar, so half of our cockpit preference was already met.
With a sub-27 pound fighting weight and a stiff carbon frame, the Sight was a quick climber, and made short work of the stepped rocky ledges that Sedona's trails are filled with. Even with a shorter stem installed, the front end stayed planted and predictable, and there was plenty of room at the front of the bike for shifting our weight where it was needed. We did find the rear suspension to be a little more active on the climbs than we would have liked, but switching the Fox Float's CTD lever to Trail mode helped to calm things down. By the same token, the more active rear suspension helped keep the rear wheel glued to the ground, allowing the Sight to scamper up anything that got in its way, especially after we swapped out the skinny 2.25 Maxxis Ardents for a wider set of tires. If turning the screws on your riding buddies for the last few hundred yards of a soul crushing ascent is something you enjoy, the Sight has enough gusto on the climbs that it seems to encourage this type of behavior; on more than one occasion we found ourselves standing and sprinting over the final crest of a hill, laying down a final burst of power to get to the top first.
Technical Handling / Downhill'Precise' best sums up the Sight's handling in technical terrain. The stiff carbon frame went a long way towards keeping it on track, even when faced with sections of trail that required threading the needle through sharp rocks and even sharper cactus. The response to rider input was quick but not twitchy, facilitating the last minute direction changes that are often required when riding an unfamiliar trail. Slow speed maneuverability was commendable as well, making it easy to navigate through challenging sections of rocks or roots. When it comes time to descend, the Sight's geometry lets an aggressive rider light up the trails, and the trifecta of a 67.5° head angle, generous front center, and relatively short chainstays comes together to create a bike that carries speed extremely well, and stays composed even on steep, tricky downhills. The nimbleness that the Sight exhibited on the climbs translates into a bike that can execute complicated technical moves with surgical precision. The Sight does falter slightly on rougher, high speed downhills, those choppy horror shows where the best strategy is to hang on and plow through. On trails likes this it was necessary to rein things in to avoid getting deflected off line, but after all, this is a 140mm trail bike, not a DH sled.
The one issue we ran into was that at times the rear suspension felt harsh, especially at the top of the stroke, and it lacked the plush, bottomless feeling that encourages letting off the brakes and firing the afterburners through the rough stuff. We thought part of this may have been due to the tires, since the 2.25” Ardents are on the narrow side, so we swapped them out for a set of Schwalbe Hans Dampfs we had on hand. This did make a difference, adding more rubber between the bike and the trail to soak up some of the chatter, but we were never able to completely erase the impression that the rear shock choice could have been improved, maybe with a reservoir style shock like Fox's Float X. Granted, this would slightly blur the line between the Sight and its big brother, the Range, but we're not looking for more travel, just more control and a better feel from the travel that's already there. The Sight's geometry begs to be pushed hard, encouraging a fast, aggressive riding style, so it's reasonable to want the rear end to be able to keep up.
Component Check• Wheelset – The Sight 7.1 comes equipped with a DT Swiss 350 rear hub and a Formula front laced up to Sun's Inferno 25 rims. While the wheels held true throughout our time on them and there were no hub issues, we would prefer to see wider rims spec'd, since the 20.3mm internal width of the Inferno 25 is on the narrow side of things, and this is a bike that deserves wide tires.
• Avid Elixir 7 Trail Brakes – During one of our first few rides on the Sight the rear brake leaked from the fitting near the rear brake caliper, contaminating the pads and making for a more exciting ride than we would have liked down a steep, switchback filled trail. Once the line was replaced and the pads were changed there were no further issues, and there was plenty of power and modulation on tap for everything we rode.
• Ergon GA1 EVO grips - We've mentioned before that these aren't our favorite grips due to the shape of the outer locking collar, and the sentiment still holds true. Trade these in before hitting the trails.
• RockShox Revelation RLT Fork – It may not have the cachet (
or the Charger damper) of the Pike, but the Revelation held its own during out time on it, and we didn't have any trouble getting it set up to our liking.
• SRAM X01 drivetrain – The 1x11 drivetrain worked without any shifting issues or dropped chains, and the bike's light weight meant that the 32x42 gearing was low enough to get up the steepest climbs we encountered.
Pinkbike's take: | The Sight epitomizes a modern trail bike - stiff and light, but still brawny enough to charge on the downhills. Our dream build of the Sight would have wider rims and tires, along with a reservoir style shock in the rear, slight changes that would bring it more in line with the way that the geometry and frame stiffness allow it to be ridden. Of course, for many riders the stock build will be just fine, but we'd love to see some kind of 'Sight on steroids' kit offered. A build like that would bump the Sight's already high performance up to another level, making it an even mightier force to be reckoned with on both the climbs and the descents. - Mike Kazimer |
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How ever much, its not worth it and this bike is a no-go for me and many others for that reason alone. The industry has not justified this engineering failure which only appeals to people who believe everything they believe in advertisements. Does anybody want to lose the debate on this issue with me today?
The bike is light and a good deal, but they probably don't need to be putting icgs tabs on these types of bikes anymore.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
At least the bikes have evolved as well though. We pay more, and we get more.
The base Sight 7.1 costs £4000.00 pounds in the uk, coverted at todays exchange rate thats $7319 canadian dollars.
Canadian brands pay between 8.5% and 13% import duties on bicycles coming into Canada, depending on country of origin. Compare this to the USA, which only pays 5% to 11% import duties, and our bikes are going to be more expensive from the get go, even if they're the same brand. Tariffs and duties, along with GST in some provinces, play a HUGE part in how expensive shit is up here.
Did you know that the government wants to raise import duties on bikes to make it an even 13% across the board, regardless of country of origin? Don't feel like being a "sucker" anymore? Not "willing" to pay for it anymore? Than ignorance and apathy are no excuse. Educate yourself on why stuff costs what it costs. If you really want to help then print out this postcard and send it to Finance Minister Flaherty to help the Bicycle Trade Association of Canada (BTAC) get rid of import duties on bicycles! (btac.org/index.php/en/resources/?option=com_content&view=article&id=46:postcards&catid=2:uncategorised)
@ Alexisfire: I appreciate all the added technology its just amazing to see how far things have come in so few years.
PB: drop the stupid 800mm bar/8mm stem crap.
And the diff between USD and CAD pricing for this bike isn't covered at all by the spread of tariffs between the two countries, it's only 2-3.5% diff.
We're just getting hosed.
I swear there is heavy price collusion and fixing going on between Manu's and Distributors in the Canadian market. There's just no way to prove it without inside info.
Look again at the norco spec against the Devinci Troy SL build: okay, it's 200$ more but you get:
- lifetime warranty on local-built frame (Quebec), so you can break your shitty pressfit without second thought
- easton haven 27.5 full UST wheelset (mrp 1000$) instead of norco's built sun inferno + dt 350 rear and FORMULA FRONT HUB (checked on Norco site)
- full kashi(t)ma teatment for who cares with 34 float fork instead of performance fox shock + rockshox revelation 32mm stanchions fork
- avid's elixir x9 trail instead of x7
- easton carbon handlebar
- full X0 2x10 with carbon crank instead of x0 x1 x11 assembly and alloy crank...
So based on specs it seems that devinci's troy is still a bargain against a non-canada built frame... Okay, we.re only talking about spec...
Now get back to riding that overweight Quebec crapper.
Only issue I have with this bike is the pressfit bb, although I haven't had or noticed any creaking on my road bike
@Protour, why no more ISCG tabs? I hope Im not in the minority here, but I still will run a guide or even a bash with 1x, it'll be something like a Blackspire TrailX or a Bruiser for ring protection
Our imported products are cheaper because of NAFTA. There is no duty on a bike frame. There are more things that are dutyless than are dutied. Canada must still have a tax, the US dropped theres on almost everything. I haven't been taxed on anything shipped from England, including bike frames. We are also "VAT-less".
That's one of the reasons 20 million people in the US that are un-employed come from the manufacturing sector. Companies just sent everything overseas. There is no tax to import the same goods they made here. They make them for pennies on the dollar, don't pay benefits or high salaries. There is something more interesting, I researched my idea of building my own bikes the last time I lost my job 3 years ago due to this. If we (100 random Pink Bikers) pooled our money together, we could have our own carbon fs frames made for around $650. Our own design or a very close knock off, as long as we don't sell them. $600 for the frame with a basic Fox shock and $2250 for a sea freight shipping container. As long as you make the minimum order. It's that easy. Hardtails built to YOUR spec for $150. OX, Scandium, Reynolds, $350. If you research it, you can find it. It's pretty sad, but that's how easy it's done these days. I do feel sorry for the Canadians paying more, but you have actual beer up there. 4% alcohol in our domestics. I might remember the night I met Molson XXX, I have pics of me dancing with an inflatable childrens swimming pool.
The bike is a bit of a bargain, anyway you look at it.
Pivots are thicks, threads are longs, bearings are overbuilt. Shock mount is perfect too, with a real axis that match the mounting hardware diameter instead of a simple screw like many companies...
The frame is particularly rigid and strong, thanks to the rectangular chainstays.
I rode a troy alloy since october (one of the very first to goes out from production), I did several trips during autumn and winter (french alps, Pyreneans, plus lift from day one (Mont Saint-Anne, Bromont), each time I disassemble the linkage, all the parts are perfectly straight, with no tear, assemblies are perfectly smooth. Even the bearings doesn't grip...
I'm really surprised of the build quality, I didn't expect that from this price tag in comparison of mainstream brands like spesh or trek I already owned.
Press-fit BB's have been just fine for years in those 20" bikes being hucked to concrete with 70psi in the tires and no suspension don't they?
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10552790
b1k35c13nt15t, What's going on there? Is the CF delaminating?
Perhaps my argument should be confined to the parameters of S-works bikes.
You think it's tolerance or that they need a aluminum insert?
Personally, I ride a bike with an aluminum insert- the "lower end model."
Considering the probably hundreds of Specialized frames that have been warrantied because of the wallowing they definitely have lost money on PF30 compared to the labor savings of not threading the BB. Lose-lose situation for everyone involved, the customers, the shops, and hurts Specialized bottom line and reputation. They definitely are not the only company that has had issues though. The problem is that these big companies plan their production runs 2 or 3 years out, so if they wanted to quit PF30 we would still have the crap around for awhile. But Specialized is just sitting there on their dead egg, doing nothing, hoping if they stick with it everyone will adopt it.
Jclnv, BMX race bike run threaded BB's because they have always run them since the era of modern cranks. Their is no advantage or reason for them to go back to pressfit, since threaded is superior. I never presented a conspiracy about why just as you have yet to present a valid point defending PF30.
Pressfit attempts to solve a problem that doesn't exist., it just created more problems.
Personally, I ride a bike with an aluminum insert- the "lower end model."
Interesting stuff. Fingers crossed my Fact 9 E29 frame (same as the S-Works) doesn't have the issue.
Protour, You're nuts. Seriously, have a lie down dude.
Oh and BTW it isn't an engineering failure, it's a manufacturing failure.
Keep taking the pills dude.
I've gone through one side of a press-fit since they switched, and I still have the spare that came in the box. Based on my experience, that's no less reliable than what I found with threaded BBs.
As a racer, consumer, and home mechanic, I'm all for press-fit.
BUY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUY!!!!
When I think of the stuff I used to call high-end, man...
It is true that there are some slight weight savings available with the various pressfit bb designs (exact weight savings obviously vary depending on system, frame manufacturing techniques, and crank model), but we don't feel this small savings make up for the inconveniences. We are still able to make a frame that is lighter than most of our competitors (5.1 lbs), while still using a heavier bb system. There are a number of disadvantages that exist with press fit systems:1) Special installation and removal tools are required for these parts, including a headset press. This is not convenient for most home mechanics, and they are quite expensive. Traditional external BB's can be installed or removed with a simple $10 hand tool.2) "Permanently installed cups". Shimano doesn't recommend removing and re-installing their press in bb cups (as they may become damaged), so moving parts from bike to bike is no longer an option. http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830625426.pdf3) Creaking or shifting bb's can be common with these systems. Since the bearing is pressed into a cup, which is then pressed into the frame- it can be hard to get all of the press fits snug- without being too tight on the bearing or too loose in the frame.4) Reasonable tube sizes. One of the most commonly claimed advantages of a larger bb shell is the larger diameter downtube that goes with it. This may be an advantage on road bikes, where tubes can be increadibly thin and large for optimal stiffness. On a mountain bike, this area of the frame sees a lot of abuse from rocks and crashing, and needs to have a certain amount of wall thickness to survive actual use. Using what we consider a "safe" wall thickness and carbon layup, and a fairly typical tube diameter, we get an exceedingly stiff, light, durable product.
you're the poorest excuse for a troll i've ever seen.
I've never seen or heard of a frame warrantied because it had a threaded bb, but hundreds, of "defective" frames have been warrantied by Specialized alone because of PF30 issues, and they certainly aren't the only company.
Try again Mark.
Also both King and Hope now are making PFBBs
You mean the Range?
I'd say put a Monarch Plus on the rear and see what your missing.
Manufactures please learn from this. Don't mix Suspension Brands.
I think what Mike was getting at, and something I found with it as well is that the Sight definitely needs better control of the suspension it does have. I would have loved to have tried a DBAir CS on this bike, because I think it would have changed it into a completely different ride.
I routinely outrode the float CTD on this bike, and while I don't think many riders will ride it that hard, there are a few who will find the same, and become slightly disappointed in the bike, as I did.
Overall though, it's a well designed frame, and overall, rode really really well and efficiently.
I rode mine with the stock 70mm stem it came with for a bit, but switched a 40mm stem and it was a lot better. The reach and ETT on the sight is slightly longer than average (although, not Yeti long).
I'm Ron Burgundy?
I really like the design of the bike, and I love upgrading my own bike as much as the next person, but not every bike store is cool about swapping out parts before delivery (after all, why would they want an inventory of parts no-one wanted on their bike?) and I wouldn't like to spend $6,500 Cdn after tax thinking, "with a few upgrades, this bike will be good..."
Reading between the lines, maybe this is more of a trail bike, a bit out-gunned in Sedona compared to the burlier and longer-travel bikes reviewed so far? I expect this bike would rock my local trails as-is.
This bike has some all-mountain characteristics with the 27.5 and 67.5 head angle, but people who actually ride it note it's efficiency (apart from PB climbing in descend mode). Who knows, maybe it's closer to a burly xc bike than whatever all-mountain / enduro is. Slap a CCDB, Pike, wider (and possibly heavier) rims and Minions on it if you like, but in the end maybe you really just wanted a different bike.
It would be perfect for 90% of my riding in Southwestern Ontario, and it's one of the best-looking bikes on the market, and with the somewhat reasonable asking price new, I have a hope of picking up a used one in a couple of years for around $3,000, so I'm liking it as is.
Also, shout out to Norco for stocking proper XL sizing, as a 6'4 freak it means a lot too!
But ultimately, run whatever helps you get more gnar in a controlled manner.
This bike is on my short list along with kona, gt, and maybe new carbon intense out soon.
Also, your name is "Enduro27" so your comment isn't valid
This bike is the bike one of my friend mentions, but this bike has no redeemable qualities for me. Internal routing come loose and rattles? Even the seat post is one of those Reverb bleed every 3 months type. I know cause I have three reverbs to keep one going.
Do you write angry letters to Top Gear? "Stop reviewing anything that is not a citroen!"
Maybe they could ask for your income level before they review a rig?
I can't afford it, but I know that I can get a sight used in a couple years, and I like to have a sense what kind of bike it is.
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