EWS Tech Focus Video: Big Wheels - Winning with 29

Aug 4, 2016
by Enduro World Series  
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Since the advent of larger wheels for mountain bikes there has been lots of talk about what they’re good for, if they’re faster, are they as much fun... The Cube Action Team’s top two riders have both recently adopted the larger wheel and with this in mind, Richard Cunynghame met up with them during the fourth round of the Enduro World Series in La Thuile, Italy to find out why and what their experiences are.


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  • 60 23
 Getting an opinion from sponsored riders is like asking children if they like chocolate...
  • 51 7
 Not in this case. It's not as though Cube doesn't make a 27.5 enduro bike.
  • 11 5
 How long til they put them all on plus bikes?
  • 10 33
flag ictus (Aug 4, 2016 at 15:18) (Below Threshold)
 @NoahColorado: clearly you don't get the concept of marketing
  • 8 1
 In this case, it's a wee bit closer to asking a sommelier who specializes in chocolate which their favorite is. Still extremely subjective, for a completely pedestrian audience the explanation of why will still mostly go overhead, but another good opinion, and backed up by impressive results.
Also, I totally agree that the supporting cast of parts (TIRES, forks, wheels) share as big a time in enabling big wheel bruisers as the geometry updates.
  • 7 2
 @tehllama: Dude, that's disgusting. We don't make jokes like that around here.
  • 23 2
 @ictus: I think you should check Noah's profile before you make silly remarks Smile
  • 11 1
 ...except they’re winning on them. It’d be one thing if they weren’t doing well but saying they like them better.
  • 3 0
 Deleted due to dupe posting
  • 8 6
 Racers are on the bleeding edge of tech. Some works out, some does not. But gold medals and podiums aren't possible without the best possible tech for the course, and the best rider aboard the machine. It's not marketing, it's not a scam. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. This applies to MTB, F1, BMX, etc etc etc.
  • 4 0
 Great video but a look back at Nico's results the previous years and it would show that he was much more consistent and even took a win. He has actually logged his worst results this year since EWS started but also some good top 10 finishes.
  • 1 0
 I guess they would have both wheel sizes sponsored so makes perfect sense to ask
  • 4 0
 Genuine question: what bikes do these two guys ride when out for fun rides with friends, not when racing or training when they are getting paid to be as fast as possible?
  • 2 0
 @eeeasy: so good :-)
  • 1 0
 @skelldify: I doubt that will happen
  • 3 0
 @sngltrkmnd: Mostly yes, but with some caveats. There's actually quite a bit of anachronism and often some security built into race rigs, particularly where a pragmatic approach to durability and proven parts helps with results.
In a sport so heavily dominated by athlete inputs, individual preference will play a larger part. Gold medals and podiums are totally possible without exclusively bleeding edge kit, but nobody will voluntarily handicap themselves with something that won't help them win.
Similarly, most fun bike is always relative, and for the most part comes down to whichever part of a ride is the most grin inducing, and what setup extracts the most enjoyment: for the pick-and-place riders who want to nail ideal lines, agile bikes are wonderful; for big/tall riders who live for the runaway shred-dozer sensation (me) beefy 29ers are unquestionably the ticket.
  • 1 0
 @ictus

For the manufacturer and team, they don't really care what size of wheel is being ridden, as long as one of their rider's win. They use the technology available to win whether its Di2 or a RS Black Box fork or a 29 wheel. EWS win = publicity = revenue.
  • 1 0
 @ictus: Similarly, you don't seem to understand the concepts of 'elite rider feedback' coupled with R&D to facilitate a win.
  • 2 0
 @Lornholio: More importantly, what terrain are they riding? You bring the right bike for the terrain... if you can.
  • 2 0
 @CaptainSnappy: Yup, not many riders stick to the same bike for the whole series. Of course that could also be 'suggested' or even written into the contract. "You WILL compete on the following bikes during the course of the 2016 EWS season......" Companies gots to sell 27.5 and 29.

But if you have a fleet at your disposal why not ride your Stumpy 29 for Aspen and your forked up Enduro (or equivalent brand models) for Whistler? That's what I'd do.
  • 29 12
 Is it just me that sees a video about people talking about benefits of running 29" wheels and nothing else? Not a plot to steal my money? I may have missed it, where do they say that 26" wheels are bad? Where do they say that I am a worthless piece of crap until I buy a bike with 29" wheels? Where do they say that I am wrong, that my existence is invalid? Why don't some of you people just fkng see the world the way it is? NOBODY CAN FORCE YOU TO BUY ANYTHING! Jesus! Even the worst communists and ISIL doesn't force people to buy something, so why the HUCK do you behave as if you had no control over your finance?
  • 8 1
 Come on now, you now the answer to that question - people drop thousands on something and they want it to be current and feel as though they’re running the current stuff. No one wants to be told their bike...or car or whatever...is obsolete or that it’s at least on its way to obsolescence. I agree with your points but we’re human, after all, working folks dumping a lot of money on these machines. I have a feeling incremental changes in bike tech and styles, not major standard changes, would be met with inspiration to upgrade down the line rather than “ho crap you’re telling me that I just bought a new bike and now it’s not even the ‘standard’ anymore!?”

I’m not saying it’s good to freak out at standard changes, I’m just explaining why some of us do.
  • 5 0
 Wake up Waki - if you pause the video at 2:22 (which coincidentally is 1/3 of "666") and play it back at half speed and listen closely, you'll clearly hear a dark voice chanting monotonously over and over again "26 is dead, your soul belongs to 29".

A mtb-er and his money are soon parted.
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: how dare you share the secret of the "Order of E"?! You are a dead man writing. Last year I was played Claudio Caluoris helmet cam from Val Di Sole. I heard devilish things and suddenly felt presence in my room. I asked who are yo?! And the voice said... Volok!
  • 16 3
 I've been riding a 29" Enduro for three years, and it's NOT rocket science for Pete's Sakie. You have big wheels to roll over most shit, and 160mm forks to suck up the shit you cant roll over.
This crap about 'em turning slow and not being easy to throw around is pure bull diarrhea
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  • 16 0
 I came here for the comments... popcorn ready...
  • 12 1
 If only someone had won back-to-back seasons on a 29er, putting time on the competition at every stage. Wonder if Tracey Moseley could pull something like that off?
  • 1 0
 ..........
  • 5 1
 Pfff,Moseley would still win on a 90s bmx...
  • 1 0
 The only news is it's 140 travel....
  • 14 4
 He said e bike. Boo that man!!!
  • 8 2
 Pro racers saying if you try an e bike you will love it...... so true.
  • 5 2
 @d-man: I would not try to say e-bikes are not fun. If you ask a lot of people they'll tell you motocross is fun. It's just a different sport...
  • 8 2
 he praised e-bikes and 29ers in one sentence - I'm just surprised pb servers haven't exploded
  • 3 1
 @FlavienB: having ridden some e-bikes I can say, comparing an e-bike with a motocross machine does not work. On a scale from 0 (mtb) to 10 (mx) the e-bike lies like on a 1, it is nothing more than a heavyweight mtb with a little help until reaching 25km/h. I cant speak for a future with stronger motors etc coming up tho.

And just for the record, I hate e-bikes and all the marketing towards them. But that's another story.
  • 1 0
 @daweil: Yeah I wasn't trying to compare their power / weight necessarily, just saying the fact they might be fun is independent from the fact that I think they are a different sport. Therefore need a different set of rules, trail use, etc.
  • 17 11
 It never ceases to amaze me how the entire mtn bike industry jumps on the same bandwagon at once. This spring it was mid-travel 275 bikes, "cuz you really don't need all that travel." Suddenly now it's Modern 29ers, "cuz they really got the geometry dialed now!!" I can't believe the number of articles/videos/etc I've seen hyping up 29er enduro bikes this week.

Talk about hype...
  • 66 4
 Your bike was hype at one point.
  • 10 3
 @MikePXP: Spot on.
  • 4 5
 @MikePXP: Spot ****ing on.
  • 3 16
flag skelldify (Aug 4, 2016 at 16:29) (Below Threshold)
 @MikePXP: What's your point?
  • 5 1
 @MikePXP: I can't upvote your comment enough
  • 1 2
 And not to forget the fatter tires....
  • 3 1
 @MikePXP: That's deep.

@tincancharlie: I shall upvote your comment as a surrogate upvote to @MikePXP's comment.
  • 4 1
 It's more like challenging the heard status quo of opinions regarding 29" wheels. People are finally in the position of actually trying then and not making a uniformed decision based off bias.
  • 7 2
 I've been trying to explain this to some friends. They all ride 27.5. I have a 27.5 and a 29er. 160/150 on the 27.5 and 150 on the 29. I feel much more confident on the 29er. It is likely making up for the lack of ability on my part. But damn... I love the 29er!
  • 4 2
 I have told some of my friends the same thing. I've ridden for 25 years and raced all the disciplines at one time and got results, wins, never out of the top ten for 5 straight seasons in the gravity stuff. I can ride my 120mm 29er hardtail just as hard as my full suspension 26er. It's actually a bit faster on the down hills then my 26er. In the tight bits, I can blow out a corner and roost it. I even have a rigid 29er that is actually faster then my old light weight 26er CC bike, all around. I do run EXO TR Maxxis (2.5/2.4/2.35/2.2) tires, tubeless on aluminum TRS+ e*thirteen rims and they are actually lighter than my bullet proof 26er wheels. I've had zero issues with the rims over 1000's of miles. My friends, on their 140mm/160mm 26 and 27.5 bikes, are always shocked I can ride their wheel on my hardtail 29er. I've also ridden and jumped the expert lines at Rays on my 29er hardtail. I want an Evil the Following, might be time for a suspended 29er. I don't think I'll ever buy a 27.5...
  • 6 1
 I just built an Evil Wreckoning and all of a sudden I can ride all day epics, send gnar dh lines, and clean climbs that I could only get on my absolute best days before, all on the same bike. It really has a lot to do with the increased roll over, traction and rotational stability the big hoops have. I still laugh a little everytime I drop into my local dh track om my 29er. That's just not going to get old.
  • 9 1
 So bring on the 30,5"er now - c'mon!
  • 6 1
 Did I miss the part where the #2 reason that they can run 29ers is that Schwalbe made the Super Gravity tires in 29er size? 29er Magic Mary SG has a TON of grip. (#1 being geometry from their perspective)
  • 5 2
 Yes! I just sold my Nomad and am building a Wreckoning based just on those tires being finally available.
  • 8 0
 @scary1: Ugh after running SG in the 26” version I can’t IMAGINE running 29”!!! SOOOO heavy. Hats off to anyone that has the fitness to run those things!
  • 2 1
 There is also a DD version of the Maxxis Aggressor in 29".
  • 2 0
 @scary1: I just did the same! Sold my nomad and my wreckoning came yesterday! Love it!!
  • 2 0
 @jeremiahwas: im a retired dh and mx racer - not worried about the wheel weight. I just want a monster truck that i can get up to the top of the mtn!
  • 1 0
 @scary1: You’re probably tougher than me. I rant he SG tires for a little while. Was able to get 20psi and under - totally bombproof. Great traction but also a kind of muted feeling. They just SUCKED the life out of me! Especially when trying to keep up with friends.
  • 3 0
 @jeremiahwas: i usually run 24/26 ,we have alot of rocks....and i have no friends,so..
  • 3 0
 1) 29ers can win races 2) its not as ground breaking as Mitch wins a dh race on an e29 years back anymore 3) its hardly even news anymore for those who follows enduro 4) even if it stop wining races, we all know they aren't boat anchors 4) me think the article is meant for newbies who doesn't have a garage full of vhs tapes and enve rims of certain sizes...
  • 8 2
 I will keep my 26 inch wheels until all of this madness settles down. Too many fckn options right now haha
  • 6 0
 Anybody here like riding bikes?
  • 5 0
 These guys would be getting the same results on a 26er. They are that good.
  • 5 0
 Has anyone mentioned that Jared Graves won last weekend in Aspen on a Stumpy 29???
#nufsaid
  • 3 0
 No they don't want to talk about that!
  • 1 0
 It almost slipped under the radar...he started the season on an E27!
  • 7 2
 Cunynghame is like the ambassador of mountain biking.
  • 6 1
 Sorry guy's but 26'' and 275 are dead! 140 29er is the shit bitches!
  • 5 0
 36er FTW!
  • 4 0
 This is not news...TMo has been winning on a 29er for a few years now!
  • 3 0
 Bike doping, check the frames for hiden motor!
  • 6 3
 I got a 29er for getting fast times, 650b for having fun times.
  • 3 1
 Serious question: If 29ers are faster, then why aren't world cup downhillers riding them?
  • 2 0
 DH is gravity powered with bigger hits, enduro dh is some gravity, flat flowy parts, when under your own power bigger wheel less travel means the bike keeps it's speed better, and does not get hung up on chunky weird shit, and engery robbing parts are fun and faster.
  • 1 0
 Trek have been running a 29 DH prototype for a while. That new Slash 29 looks like a monster. It could be a forerunner to a commercial release but nobody makes 29 forks above 160 do they? (I couldn't find any when I looked)
  • 2 0
 @Travel66: Manitou for years has made a 29er Dorado with 175mm travel. . . . I think this thread nails it -- when 29ers come with more travel they will be viable on super rough DH courses. There's no replacement for long travel on big hits the size pro DH racers make.
  • 2 0
 DH racing is all about control and precision over a three or four minute course the riders have memorized. Those are still important factors in Enduro of course, but the races are 8-10x longer, not to mention the extra hour or two of riding between stages most races require. Efficiency takes on an increasingly important role, and wheels that are perhaps more forgiving of less than perfect line choice would seem to be a welcome addition as well.
  • 1 0
 @saskatoonbikeguy: cheers I guess I missed them. Are they any good?
  • 1 0
 just going to ride away on this 3 year old 26'er with modern components and let the dust settle on 29 vs 27.5 before I think about my next bike
  • 3 1
 Word.
  • 5 0
 Finally an article that says what needs to be said.....grain of salt added.
  • 5 4
 27+ for me. Bigger contact patch plus same outer diameter as 29.
  • 4 0
 Almost, but not quite as large on tire diameter (after tire sag/deflection the bottom bracket ends up noticeably lower), but definitely more contact patch.
The trick will be when durable enough tires are available to handle rocky courses, and if the resultant 1200g tires are still faster (probably will be in poor weather or lots of loose offer hardpack conditions)
  • 1 0
 A picture is worth a thousand words...

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  • 2 1
 They're still at it!
  • 1 0
 .............
  • 2 1
 I like ebikes and 24s.
  • 4 4
 What's a 29er?
  • 4 4
 It's the mtb version of those Penis enlargement pills you see on Porno sites

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