First Look: Fabric Prototype Seat - Taipei Show 2014

Mar 9, 2014 at 23:32
by Mike Levy  
Fabric is a new saddle company from the minds behind Charge Bikes, the UK brand that turned heads last year when they released info on their 3D printed titanium dropouts. Creating 3D printed objects has been in the news quite a bit recently, usually using some sort of plastic material, but Charge was the first cycling brand to employ titanium powder to create ultra-detailed and incredibly lightweight pieces that simply couldn't be replicated by more traditional frame manufacturing techniques.

Fabric prototype seat

Spot the Airbus logo on the 3D printed titanium seat rail?



Judging by the photo we snapped above, it looks as if Fabric might be utilizing the same methods to create 3D printed titanium seat rails that are then attached to a carbon fiber shell. The rails feature some relatively extreme shaping, with a wide and flat profile up front that tapers to a more traditional oval shape at the clamping points, only to widen out again before terminating at the back of the shell. Their shape looks like something that could only be created by using a composite material, but these rails were definitely titanium, and their matte finish very much resembles a part that has been created using a 3D printing process but not yet polished smooth. Fabric's Nick Larsen wasn't too keen to comment on any of the above, but he also didn't deny any of it.

The other talking point is the Airbus logo at the base of the rail, with the UK based aircraft manufacturer's headquarters just down the road from the Charge/Fabric offices. Fabric didn't make it clear what Airbus' involvement with a bike seat could possibly be, although it's pretty obvious that their expertise with carbon and titanium likely eclipses that of nearly any company in any industry. One interesting fact that Larsen did mention is that much of the future technology used in aircraft manufacturing has to be proven in other settings for a full decade before it can be put to use in the air, and that it's that detail that brought Fabric and Airbus together on the project. The question is, what exactly did they help Fabric with?

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63 Comments
  • 60 0
 I believe Airbus incorporated afterburner ignitors to burn off noxious emissions (primarily from excessive chili/beer/bacon consumption the prior eve), with intent to evaluate afterburners in civilian applications. This may ultimately be used on airliners, which with our current (increasing) rates of obesity, will be severely underpowered in 10 years. Truth!
  • 29 3
 They probably just helped with the carbon and titanium but I like your story better
  • 1 0
 more than likely mostly just the carbon seat part
  • 1 2
 #prayformh370
  • 19 1
 "with the UK based aircraft manufacturer's headquarters" ??? WTF

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus

Airbus is based in Toulouse, I work there. And I think they don't care about bike saddles !

By the way BOS suspensions is also based in Toulouse Smile
  • 4 2
 Exactly what I was thinking, Airbus is a french company through and thorough
  • 7 0
 Alot of Airbus's manufacturing work is done over here and i would assume they have a UK head office to oversea all of the manufacturing firms they outsource too. There are 3 machine shops that make stuff for Airbus in the town i live in and that is just one crappy backwater town!
  • 8 1
 Airbus is not a french company, only their headquarters are in France, its formed by French UK Spanish and German Aircraftmanufacturers
  • 6 0
 Toulouse is also the city of CASSOULET !!!!!
  • 3 0
 No it's Castelnaudary!
  • 1 0
 @Mac-aravan marche aussi pour Toulouse :-)
  • 13 2
 Pretty sure no one is really worrying about where Airbus is located.
  • 4 0
 I heard: Pretty sure no one KNOW where TOULOUSE is located.
  • 5 0
 why don't we agree on Airbus being European and having sites all over Europe?
  • 1 0
 I agree ! Maybe I don't understand the sense of headquarters. But I'm sure that here in Toulouse we are not informed Airbus manufactures a bicycle saddle !
  • 3 0
 There are two huge airbus sites in the UK, one in Bristol and one in Broughton. Pretty sure this seat was made in Bristol which is where the charge drop outs were produced.
  • 3 0
 The last thing I expected here was an argument between two French guys over geography…Mon dieu!
  • 15 0
 scientifically it creates lift so u can jump bigger...
  • 13 55
flag Pharphenugen12 (Mar 11, 2014 at 22:09) (Below Threshold)
 But the real question is, will it come in an enduro specific model?
  • 9 3
 Keep it up. Sometimes these guys actually upvote these enduro comments. The sooner we run them into the ground the better.
  • 3 2
 *the sooner something new and trendy will come out.

We gripe and moan about products going out of date, but also gripe and moan about a concept that has been around for "too long." Enduro pacific is still a new a thing! If we let it be old and un-rave-about-able already, we are our own problem.

No wonder only big companies exist. A little company's claim to fame will be uncool a year later, and suddenly, they are out of luck.
  • 4 2
 Enduro has been around for a while... All mountain. Enduro is just a trend/re-name.
  • 2 1
 All Mountain Racing didn't sound good enough that's it
  • 4 10
flag bjorntsc (Mar 12, 2014 at 0:03) (Below Threshold)
 Neither does downhill.
Enduro is a type of dirtbike riding/competition. It makes it more confusing referring to it.
  • 3 2
 but since when did all mtn bikes look as burly as dh bikes without the angles and the dual crown forks? You can say enduro and all mtn are the same, but enduro is clearly focused on going down whereas all mtn was always meant to go up and down equally.
  • 3 1
 but can u endure all mountains?
  • 2 0
 Wasn't it called "Super-D?"
  • 9 0
 That's just Airbus looking to shrink the size of seats in their future airplanes
  • 7 0
 Why they show up on an exibition when they dont answer any questions about the product?? Plain stupid in my book, sorry.
  • 10 0
 anyway, they got your attention... probably, that's what they wanted
  • 2 0
 Sometimes you bring stuff to shows because you need it for an internal meeting, show it too suppliers or OEM customers but than the wrong person happens to stumble on too it and snaps a pic... and you don't comment on it... old story, happened to me too...
  • 1 0
 DVO
  • 3 0
 Airbus's involvement with this project is almost certainly on the 3D printing side. As this quote from an article I found states:

"Airbus ... has long been one of the original pioneers utilizing 3D printing for industrial applications."

Article link: 3dprintingindustry.com/2014/02/20/expanded-3d-printing-application-base-airbus
  • 3 0
 6Al 4v billet titanium verses printed Titanium guess which is stronger? I have no clue. So I will wait until some one else uses the stuff.
  • 2 0
 I checked out EOS who manafactures printed titanium parts. Compared to investment cast titanium parts, Printed titanium is almost as strong. They mention fatigue cycles. 6Al 4v titanium billet is much stronger than than cast titanium and definitely stronger than printed titanium. Why is the aircraft industry using printed titanium. Less energy to produce. No waste material. Quick manufacturing process. They use the printing process to save money! This is a statement by EOS.
  • 5 1
 weight weight weight lol jks
  • 1 0
 Really curious about this
  • 1 0
 Airbus have a big site in Bristol. The National Composite Centre is also in Bristol and is a not for profit that could help a small business with composite design and manufacture.
  • 5 0
 I prefer banana seats
  • 1 0
 The department that are working with Charge are in Bristol on the Airbus site, they've got a ti Charge frame in the office showcasing the printed droputs.
  • 5 2
 looks super comfy to save your nuts in a huge sack tap... said no one ever
  • 2 0
 Titanium is not expensive enough? we have too 3D print it, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
  • 2 0
 MSRP $675. I'll take 2 please.
  • 2 0
 Hey look, an article about a saddle that no one knows anything about. Next........
  • 1 0
  please remove the 'that' before 'its' ...'..the air, and that it's that detail that brought Fabric..'
  • 2 0
 I think that looks sick
  • 3 2
 Not sure I want something that looks like a shovel between my legs.
  • 2 2
 I'm with you...hit a rock too hard while behind the seat and you could lose the twig and berries or at least bruise yourself up. I'm sure it's light and would be cool on a road bike. Would want bumpers of some sort around the edges for mountain biking though.
  • 3 1
 The saddle isn't a product, it's a demo piece to show what they're doing with 3D printed titanium. Fuckin' armchair engineers over here critiquing a super early show piece.
  • 2 0
 Awesome
  • 1 0
 Some more pictures of the saddle would have been nice.
  • 1 1
 Pivotals & combos are the best. f*ck rails. Obsolete MTB tech. Pathetic.
  • 1 1
 Can this saddle be used on a 29'r?
  • 1 4
 you wouldn't wanna drop your bike with that saddle, scuffed carbon :-/ p.s. that rail looks very very much like it could easily be formed by rolling and bending a piece of titanium bar... poor use of 3D printing!
  • 2 0
 yeah but printing lets you have hollow ti rails and different wall thicknesses all throughout to allow flex where you want it. making for a more comfortable / lighter saddle!
  • 1 0
 well again you can stretch a tube in places to create a butted tube, or draw it with a varying taper if you're friends with a tube manufacturer, and you can still roll and press the ends of a tube too,
  • 1 0
 Thats a lot of manufacturing processes though, why not just print it, one machine you have to buy, and you could even do it in house and make other small components too.
  • 1 1
 Because printing takes ages and is super expensive
  • 2 0
 its far cheaper for small production runs and can be done directly from a 3d model, you couldfinish designing those saddle rails to having them in your hand finished the same afternoon.
  • 1 0
 Great use of rapid prototyping! You don't need to invest thousands of dollars into tools and molds which probably makes the product cheaper considering thy are going to sell probably just a handful of these to some weight weenies... also if you go to the doctors and get a vasectomy there yo will end up paying way more... just guessing...
  • 2 0
 This is just a stepping stone to future more complex components made from 'Ti Printing'
  • 1 1
 20/10 would not sit my fat ass on that







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