Giant Faith 0 - Previewed

May 25, 2011 at 19:31
by Mike Levy  
Anyone who has watched a recent NWD movie knows that freeriding has long moved past its skinny ladder bridge and wheelie dropping early days. Today's riders, both pros and local shredders, are doing moves that most of us never even dreamed of only a few short years ago. The large majority of this progression is undoubtedly down to the rider's skill and courage, but the evolution of the freeride bike cannot be over looked either.

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photo: Jake Orness

It's bikes like Giant's Faith 0, previewed below, that allow Kurt Sorge to charge off the lip of a 70ft canyon gap at the Red Bull Rampage without worrying about his equipment. With the DNA of a downhill bike, but using geometry and suspension suited to big, technical moves, the Faith 0 is Giant's top tier freeride bike.

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Kurt Sorge going into orbit at the Rampage aboard his Faith.
Photo by Margus Riga

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The Faith 0 is built around Giant's 7 inch travel, freeride specific frame - the very same that you've seen Kurt Sorge take flight upon at the Red Bull Rampage.

Giant Faith 0 details:

- Intended use: freeriding
- Seven inches of rear wheel travel
- RockShox Totem Solo Air fork and Vivid Coil RC2 rear shock
- SRAM X9 shifter and rear derailleur
- Avid Elixir CR disc brakes
- Weight: 39.5lbs (w/o pedals)
- MSRP $4,400 USD

The Faith's burly frame features massive diameter aluminum tubing that certainly portrays a sturdy ride, especially the bike's immense MegaDrive down tube that is wide enough to match the bike's equally large, tapered head tube and 83mm bottom bracket shell at each end. Underneath the eye catching metallic green paint job is a set of hydro-formed tubes that have been shaped to best handle the loads that the 7" bike is built for. The impressive shaping gives the bike a very distinctive look when inspected up close - even the seat tube isn't spared - and the neon green graphics accentuate the bike's contours.

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Extensively hydro-formed tubes give the Faith both more strength and a unique look, along with its massive, tapered Overdrive head tube.

While the Faith platform uses a slightly altered version of the Maestro suspension layout as seen on its bigger brother, the DH orientated Glory, its frame features different geometry to better suit the bike's intentions. Instead of all out speed between the tape, it needs to be slightly more maneuverable at slower speeds and be able to handle steep booters. For this reason its head angle is more than a full degree steeper at 66.75°, which results in a more compact wheelbase and a bike that can be thrown around easier. At the rear of the bike you'll find a set of clean looking, replaceable thru-axle dropouts that allow half a degree of handling adjustment to let you fine tune the handling.

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Giant's Maestro suspension consists of two short links that create a virtual pivot in a place where it wouldn't be possible to position it with a more conventional design. Virtual pivot designs are not a new thing, but it is important to remember how small changes in pivot locations can greatly effect how the bike rides - just because it resembles another design does not mean that it will ride exactly the same.

Giant's Maestro Suspension controls the Faith's 7" of rear wheel travel via two stout links, creating a virtual pivot point in a position that would otherwise not be possible to use - high and just behind the seat tube. The imaginary pivot's position is tailored to give the long travel Faith an ideal axle path for the bike's intentions, while still allowing it to accelerate relatively well under power. Everything rotates on large sealed bearings, and the lower link's main pivot does double duty as the rear shock's lower mounting point, saving weight and simplifying things in the process.

Specifications
Price $4400
Rear Shock RockShox Vivid Coil RC2
Fork RockShox Totem Solo Air w/ 20mm Thru Axle and Tapered Steerer, 180mm Travel
Cassette SRAM PG970 11x32, 9-Speed
Crankarms Race Face Atlas FR, 36T
Chainguide MRP Mini G2 Guide, Custom for Giant
Bottom Bracket Race Face, External
Pedals Giant Alloy Platform, Sealed
Chain Shimano HG-73
Rear Derailleur SRAM X.9
Shifter Pods SRAM X.9, Trigger
Handlebar Giant Contact AM, 750mm, 31.8
Stem Giant Contact FR
Brakes Avid Elixir CR (Giant LTD Edition), [F] 185mm [R] 160mm
Hubs [F] Giant Tracker w/ 20mm Axle, [R] DT Swiss 350 w/ 12mm Axle, 32h
Spokes DT Competiton, 14/15g
Rim Sun Ringle MTX31
Tires Kenda Nevegal, 60 tpi, 26x2.5 Stick-E
Seat Giant Freeride
Seatpost Giant Contact, 30.9


The Faith's burly component package looks to match the bike's intentions quite well. Suspension duties are looked after by RockShox, with a strapping 180mm travel single crown Totem up front, complemented by their Vivid RC2 out back. Both units feature a number of external adjustments that allow them to be setup to deal with hard impacts that a bike like this will see, but without sacrificing small bump compliance in the process. It is also nice to see matching green graphics on both the fork and shock as well.

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As the saying goes, it's all in the details. The Faith 0 sports a stunning metallic and neon green color scheme that is sure to attract attention in the bike park. Even its Elixir CR brakes (top right) get the green treatment.

Slowing the green bike down is a set of Avid's Elixir CR brakes, complete with matching anodized green highlights. Interestingly, Giant has paired a smaller, 160mm rotor out back with 185mm front disc. The Elixir's are well known to have power in spades, but there is a question in my mind as to how the smaller rear saucer will handle the abuse that the bike is intended for. A number of Giant's house brand, Contact, parts are used on the build, including their solid looking FR stem and 750mm wide Contact bar. Laced to Giant's own brand hubs are a set of robust looking P-AM1 rims, which are also from their own component lineup. While not many riders will be familiar with this hoops, the look like they are ready to brush off any and all abuse that we'll be able to dish out.

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The Faith 0's 180mm travel Totem Solo Air fork suits the bike's intentions wholly: big moves on big terrain

Highlighting the fact that the Faith 0 is a purpose built freeride machine is its single ring MRP Mini G2 guide. There are a number of similar travel bikes out there that make use of a dual ring guide to allow the rider to get to the top under his/her own power, however slow that pace may be. Not the Faith - it is assembled with sessioning hits and going big in mind, not climbing. The only ascending that the Faith 0 will be doing is on a lift, in the back of a pickup, or getting pushed back up to the top of the run-in by its rider.

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bigquotesThe Faith 0 underlines how much freeride bikes have progressed in recent years and just what a well thought out 7" travel bike is capable of. Giant's green machine looks ready for both banging out laps in the Whistler Bike Park all day and launching that massive drop in your local zone. Stay tuned for a full test after we've spent time on the Faith 0 scaring ourselves silly! - Mike Levy


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115 Comments
  • 115 1
 Good to hear its got the Megadrive downtube and Overdrive headtube as well as a Turbo-powerflux-BB, Megava-Supera-Lanche seat clamp and a Stradi-Floati-varius-Resonate-Maestro arrangement to hold the rubberised-composite trail disk in concert with the power-ground.

The no-nonsense scottish description: eh aye this wan is actual rapid minted
  • 11 2
 I lol'ed
  • 3 2
 Not really RaleighVoid. Hydroformed steel is used quite widely in a variety of industries, apart from bikes. Some BMX companies hydroform steel tubing for frames though.
  • 8 0
 Yeah Arthur, hydroformed steel is used sometimes. Even I new that Wink
  • 18 1
 35.6lbs is for a guy that can replace parts without the worry of cost, most DH bikes meant to last more than one season are about 39-40lbs, also downhill bikes do take abuse, but not like a freeride bike. I can't think of the last world cup that had an Oakley drop or 70ft canyon gap. A freeride bike is meant to take abuse, and given that, 40lbs is pretty darn lite!
  • 8 2
 I agree, 40 is a respectable weight for a bike like this.
  • 7 1
 I'd say that 40lbs is pretty damn respectable, especially given the bike's intentions.
  • 14 1
 You forgot to mention the Flux-Capacitor. It's what makes time travel possible.
  • 3 0
 i got a 2010 faith with $800 in upgrades and its just under 36lbs. i built it for preformence and strength not weight, but the frame is actually really light, you just have to swap out some of the heavier parts. sick bike. i rip DJs and full on downhill on the same day/
  • 1 0
 I like it all but its a tall frame, doesn't have the low, slung top tube that i like. But CAD knows best
  • 3 0
 i dunno dude, mines a 2010 and the bottom braket is high off the ground, but there is a lot of clearence between my crotchand the top tube. its light and flickable. it corners like a maniac, and jumps like a flee, the only complaint i have is that yea some of the giant brand components are not the best, they are heavy, but strong. i ride this bike everywere and im 100% satisfied with it.
  • 3 1
 Like a flea*
  • 1 0
 It finally got maestro
  • 1 0
 I think I just creamed my pants. This bike is orgasmic yet it weighs just as much as the first 2 digits of the price estimated
  • 1 0
 i like the faith but if i had to choose, i wud get the glory, it has 1 more inch of travel, still this bike is friggin sick!!
  • 1 3
 fugly bike with the step child of the azonic love seat
  • 1 0
 Dual Crown Forks are actually lighter then single crowns in general i believe?
  • 1 0
 Why would dual crown forks be lighter? Because nearly twice as much inner leg material, two crowns instead of one, and more spring length, etc is going to be lighter?
  • 1 0
 boxxers are 2.7kg totems are pretty much the same at 2.8ish
  • 4 0
 Why are you comparing lightweight racing dual crowns to overbuilt freeride-oriented singles?
  • 1 0
 rockshocks premium dual crown and single crown and i was on their website anyway.
  • 1 0
 You can get this lightweight. My Giant Faith weighs around 35.5 with pedals.
  • 28 1
 Looks awesome. However, for $4400 they are certainly having a laugh with that saddle!
  • 1 0
 thata not bad for the best
  • 2 2
 spec list isn't the greatest. there are bikes that come better equipt for that price.
  • 9 1
 But can you go ride The Rampage with those bikes?
  • 6 3
 quite likely, yes...
  • 2 0
 NVM
  • 5 0
 House brand components are pretty common on bikes in this price range. If you look past the name on the parts I think that you'll find that they are actually pretty decent. The most important bits - the frame and the suspension - are top notch.
  • 2 0
 I know, and that's how I think it should be, it means you pay less for better main components like suspension, drivetrain and brakes. I'm just commenting on how ugly the seat is! Razz
  • 1 0
 Its so that us with balls dont damage them.
  • 15 2
 Own brand bars, stem and rims, on a £3,950 bike? It's good stuff, but really, wouldn't you rather a DT or Mavic rim? And surely 99% of Faith owners are going to swapping to a Renthal, Answer, Easton, etc bar in the shop? Seems like a waste to me.

AND:

66.75 degree head angle on a 7" travel freeride bike? I can set my 120mm trail bike up that slack.
I don't want to pretend that I know more about geometry than Giant, as I don't, but that sounds insanely steep to me.
  • 1 0
 Keep in mind that if you put a 200mm travel fork it will rake out more, as well as if you got an adjustable headset in for the tapered head tube. It is in my opinion that in freeride you don't need it to be steep because freeride is less about steep tech lines and more about big jumps and hucks. I'd probably rather have it a bit more slack, like you, so it's a good thing that technology allows us to change the angles nowadays.
  • 1 0
 i agree brit. + its only 40.5 lbs with pedals.....
  • 1 1
 It all depends what it is intended to but I dont see it as a new school freeride bike as they claim. Its closer to the older bikes that are steeper and higher for wood features and riding up. 65ha on a 180mm fork isnt overkill and lowering the bb should be the obvious choice. Think Kona Entourage/Intense SS2/TR250
  • 4 1
 Have you ever used any of the Giant brand name components? I had to learn about 'em for the Giant Retail Academy and I've used their stuff forever. It's extremely quality stuff. It's not just some Chinese catalog product. Giant designs and tests all of their components. If they were to replace all of those products with brand name components of the same quality the price would easily be a few hundred more.
  • 3 2
 DavidDee, I work in a Giant dealership, and have been on the same Retail Academy thing.

I don't have problem with Giant own brand stuff, it's all good quality and fairly priced. But it's NO WAY the best on the market. And at £4k (right at the top of the market for main stream manufacturers) I'd be expecting the best of the best. And so will every customer who's interested in this type of bike.
  • 1 1
 Is it just me or does the seat tube seems like it could be shorter? Or maybe they kept it long for better control?...
  • 1 0
 brit-100 you are correct 66.75 is pretty steep. The Faith 2010 came with 2 dropout configurations one that puts the bike at 66.75 and the second is at 66.25 HTA. I don't know if Giant's 2011 Faith changed this but if so that is really a poor move. Also I have seen a few 2011 Fiath 0 Large frames stock weighing in at 36.2 pounds W/O Pedals, this is on a digi scale. This is also more consistant with the 2010 Faith 0 that came in at 36.7 W/O Pedals.
Actually just checked the site and if you look at the STA it shows the angle change but not on the HTA. So I think that the dropouts are still available and this bike at 66.25 will do just fine IMO.
  • 2 5
 GIANT price, GIANT weight
  • 3 0
 the wheelset isnt an in house wheelset, it's a MTX31 laced to a generic hub for the front, and a MTX31 laced to a DT 350 for the rear

www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/faith/7346/44099
  • 1 0
 It looks like the spec (in particular the rims) varies from one country to another.
  • 1 0
 I just checked the UK spec, it's the same too. Sun rims wheels across the board...
  • 1 0
 Maybe PB just made a mistake...
  • 2 3
 HA is way too steep for a 7" FR bike??

it will definitely have a detrimental effect on handling at higher speeds - this bike is a FR bike designed for fast, loose, gnarly lines in the chunder, quick lines into big booter stunts and race-style runs down A-Line in Whistler

what slow speed handling is needed anymore??

ARTICLE says "Anyone who has watched a recent NWD movie knows that freeriding has long moved past its skinny ladder bridge and wheelie dropping early days"


hell, my 145mm all-mountain bike has a slacker HA with just a Fox 36 Float 150mm up front (66.4) and runs 65.5 with fork at 160mm


The Giant looks solidly built, but HA is critical on a "big bike" and Giant need to dial this into the 64-65 degree range to suit the needs of the modern ripper, or provide CC Angleset to allow geometry adjustments by the rider (but this bike has taper steerer which means no Angleset?)
  • 5 0
 i don't see why slacker means better? there needs to be a balance between high speed stability and manouvrability. i think it's pretty reasonable for a freeride bike to have a slightly steeper head angle
  • 2 1
 The Glory, at 65.5 degrees, has proved to be a successful and capable big bike. I suppose you could argue that the market already has plenty of super-slack bikes, and Giant are pitching the Glory and Faith at a minority (less fashionable?) rider?

I love my Glory (old shape), but then I'm pretty slow, and ride on fairly small, push-up tracks. If the Faith is meant for 'big country freeriding', I'd expect it to be slacker than my Glory, not steeper!
  • 2 0
 Only really good riders and pros will notice a 1* angle difference really , the average bloke who buys this wont care really , and if he does just get a cane creek angleset headset
  • 1 0
 you can get a CaneCreek in a taper though cant you?? just the lower cup anyways to give a little less slackening than in a full 1.5 tube set up..... can t afford one anyway so im not sure why im even thinking about this lol
  • 1 0
 That is BS. I had a bike with an adjustable head angle by 1deg and it was VERY noticable. At that time I was also a very back of the pack rider and I could still notice.
That was that 65-66 adjustment.
Also after switchin from 67 to 66-65 and then to 63.7 it is noticable and in my opinion unless you ride a lot of steep jump lips or slow speed wooden features the slacker the better(and for steep jumps Id advice something with less than 7 inch of travel Wink )
  • 1 0
 Anyone have any experience running a double crown on their Faith? I saw some pics of Sorge at the last Rampage, and I think he had some green 888's. Curious how it would ride.
  • 1 0
 It would make the BB higher and imho he did more for the stiffness/durability. For most stuff he rides a single crown. If you really want to do it add a cc/fsa/other angle reducer headset to bring the bottom bracket down since the fork will raise it a fair bit.
  • 3 0
 I have a 2010 Faith with a 888 and an angleset set to -1. It has regular Deemaxs, tires setup tubeless, and some small parts swapped and weighs around 37 w/ pedals. Not sure what the exact h/a is now but I would say around 65. It is not a DH race bike, but a great all around dh/freeride/big mt. ripper. There is no right or wrong setup, all comes down to personal preference. You see some of these dudes running down ultra steep, fast shit on steep h/a slopestyle bikes...then you see some dudes running slower, more techy stuff on raked out dual crowns.
  • 1 0
 boxxer and totem have negligibly different aa2c heights... you won't notice any difference...
  • 1 0
 Thanks spaced, rzalewski6 and infiltrator for the replies! You're right Infiltrator, I did some googling, and the a2c for a totem is 565mm and a boxxer is 568mm - essentially no change to the head angle. Been contemplating swapping out the Totem Solo Air for a Boxxer team - hoping for some better small bump compliance.
  • 1 0
 I too have a 2010 faith with 888s when i'm doing DH duties with a works components -1.5 headset and the slacker drop outs which gives me about a 63 1/2 head angle - lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6241669/p4pb6241669.jpg

or for freeride duties i put the steeper drop outs on and the totems - lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6241671/p4pb6241671.jpg

its great to have two bikes in one, the 888s give a 1/2lb weight gain but overall its around 36lbs (with stock wheels)
  • 1 0
 somemorestuff - that is a sweet setup on your Faith there. Quick question - does your totem have a tapered steerer tube? If so, are you swapping out the bottom headset cup everytime you decide to run your 888's? I'm guessing your 888's have a 1 1/8" steer tube.

Thanks for the pic of Sorge's bike DARKSTAR63!
  • 1 0
 sean -dh 1 degree makes a huge difference!!! especially when its to steep to start with. Besides my whyte T-120 has a 68 degree head angle lol which makes that faith look pretty sharp, along with all the other giants.
  • 1 0
 im sure it does . Many wouldn't even notice though if you know what i mean. There are always ways to adjust the ha though after it comes out of the factory
  • 5 0
 I have this bike in the 2010 form and it weighs in at 38 pounds with pedals. I don't know what they did for 2011 but I do know that if you ride one you will buy one. Its a sick do anything bike from big bucks to skinnies. They have this bike figured out.
  • 3 0
 Ditto snoloco - I've got the medium 2010 Faith 0, and I'm around 37lbs with pedals. Love it.
  • 3 0
 I got meself a 2010 Giant Faith 1 , white and gold. So far I have no complaints, it's been able to handle everything I can throw at it. Only thing is they didn't color scheme it very well. They shoulda put me in charge of color as I have put a bunch of different parts on(white and gold) to compliment the rest of the bike. Gotta have Faith
  • 3 0
 What lots of people don't realize either is how good giant is with warranty and customer service. Life time Warrenty, which most bikes have. But in our shop we have had a few cracked carbon bikes and giant has given us a frame under a week in some cases. I will take a giant over a intense which has taken up to months for us to get a customer their warrenty frame back.
  • 2 0
 Who cares who looks like who, wheels are round as well!

But I do wish MTB bikes would sort out the dam cable routing only thing that ruins it for me! Giant please route down the top of the down tube, not the underneath, in our country we ride on the dirt not on the road!

Road bikes under down tubes and chain stays "not MTB" also for the specc I know its a price point but that saddle and stem stack setup is not a good way to promote such a bike, why do OEM companies keep shoveling this shit out, minor point and easy to sort compared to the horrendous cable routing, other wise another sick, slick great value product for Giant.
  • 7 1
 have Faith buy a giant.
  • 2 1
 If I'd spent $4,400 on a brand new bike I really wouldn't be expecting to see own brand (i.e. Giant) parts on it to be honest. They're most likely great parts, but they're still an unknown quantity, rather than being race or competition proven. The stem and pedals aren't a worry, but if the bars or the hub isn't up to scratch then the consequences can be pretty bad.
  • 5 0
 You too can launch off a cliff on this bike, buy one today!
  • 1 0
 I dont like the direction Giant is taking by installing in-house brands, that is exactly why I never buy Trek or Specilized, becauseI find that by using in-house brands, they bike should be much much cheaper than it is. I guess from now on, its only Giant framesets for me!
  • 1 0
 Love my Faith 0! Use it to race some endoro\ super D and Park DH.but I did snap a bottom link at Killington, that was a easy 50$ fix. I'm 6' 240 and get lots of brake sag\bodyrool on the Rockshox Totem. And the rebound can be sluggish coming off of bigger hits?
Any shop hacks for that? I heard lighter oil would speed things up?
  • 4 0
 imagine getting a flat tire at the start of that ramp. ):
  • 3 0
 I like the 2010 faith painting, but that bike is pure bike porn! Ride Life, Ride Giant
  • 3 0
 that 2nd picture is f-ing crazy
  • 14 0
 At least we know it's not gonna break...
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know the headset inset diameters for the faith 2011? Im looking to get a CC angleset but still run the totem. Also is it still possible to get the lower dropouts?
  • 3 0
 That actually looks pretty nice. A lot lighter than I thought as well.
  • 2 0
 should i get a giant Faith 0? or a giant Reign SX? decisions decisions.... any input people?
  • 6 0
 Faith 0 .
  • 5 0
 Why don't you tell us what you'll be riding before you ask for advice on a major purchase. Just a thought....
  • 3 0
 Most of the things you can do on a Faith you could probably do on a Reign but if you want something more hardcore and tougher get the Faith. If you intend on riding up hill at all get a Reign.
  • 2 0
 Are you planning on riding up a lot too? The Reign SX is pretty fun having riding one a few times, but around the Fraser Valley I'd want a Reign X as then I can ride all the trails.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, i am planning on riding up too, i think a reignx with a rock shox reverb seat post with a set of tacky tioga tires, or something similar would be a great bike for summer in the valley. I am asking about the reign sx because giant vancouver has some 2010's left over. Same with the some Faith's from last year. I would just get a glory 00 frame and build it up, but i think i want something more pedaly,
  • 3 0
 I'm not sure that a reign x is worth the trouble of production. The reign is a 6" AM/FR light bike, the Faith is a full on FR. Why make a 6.7? Plus I've personally seen the linkage break on 2 reign x's and heard of it on a third, and 2 of the three had an updated link.
  • 1 0
 "i am talking about the reign SX, a more FR build/ its a bike with a slightly different parts spec. i.e. fork rims etc.
, www.giant-bicycles.com/_generated/_generated_us/bikes/models/images/2000/2010/Reign_SX_white_silver_GU_72dpiWIDE.jpg
  • 1 0
 Still, it's the frame I question the necessity of. That same spec on a reign would rock most FR and still be climable. The same spec on the faith, but a longer fork would be ultimate FR. No room for a Reign X.
  • 2 0
 My friend got exactly same bike stolen from last week
  • 2 0
 did that guy survive that jump ! jesus christ !
  • 1 0
 according to their website for uk/ireland its 203/185mm rotors and dt swiss hubs laced to sun ringle mtx31
  • 4 0
 A lot of manufacturers have different spec in different countries depending on the national distributor, with some companies like Diamonback the whole line is different. Spec listed is North American.
  • 1 0
 the US website also says MTX31
  • 1 0
 Mine is a Large and had 203 rotors front and rear.
  • 1 0
 Am i the only one thats bothered by the fact that you have to pay almost £1500 more for this in the UK than US?!
  • 1 0
 is it just me or does it seem like nobody is using fox for the rear suspension on there new dh rigs?
  • 1 0
 For those who don't like the seat or any other parts, you can always choose the "buy the frame only" option...
  • 2 0
 Oh man the vinyls on that bike are beautiful.
  • 1 0
 mt loka essa bike da hora msm
  • 1 0
 Looks just like my mates Giant AC!
  • 1 0
 Anyone know if this runs ISCG or ISCG05?? I can't seem to find out.
  • 1 0
 Never mind, it runs the ISCG, in case anyone is swapping their chain guides like me. Just fyi.
  • 1 0
 thanks, i'd been looking for that answer for a while now..!
  • 1 0
 No problem! I'm running an MRP G2 on mine now that's ISCG and it's absolutely great!
  • 1 0
 where o wheres the video to that cliff jumppp....
  • 1 0
 Faith look's well sick !!
  • 1 0
 that gap at the rampage is f*cking insane
  • 1 1
 looks awesome but whats the point in putting ugly shitty seats one them!?
  • 1 0
 That is so sick!!
  • 1 0
 I love Faiths.
  • 1 4
 get a session or scratch
  • 3 3
 trek actually copied giant... they released there design a few months after the 2010 maestro was released.
  • 7 0
 Neither design is even remotely similar, look again.
  • 3 0
 LOL, Maestro and ABP are COMPLETELY different.

ABP = Swingarm 4 bar
Maestro = Short link 4 bar
  • 1 0
 also maestro is not a full floater shock like the ABP is. there is so many things different with them that its pointless to name them all/ how did trek in any way copy giant cause last i saw the trek session 88 with the ABP suspension came out in 2009 and i have one of those from that year so how did trek copy a suspension design that was not even out yet and trek was working on the design for like 2, 3 years or even more.
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