Corsair and Atomlab - Interbike 2015

Sep 17, 2015
by Mike Levy  
Interbike 2015


Corsair's New Kraken Hardtail

Corsair's Kraken steel hardtail mixes old school looks with contemporary geometry and big tires in a package that could probably be best described in a single word: fun. Truth be told, I haven't ridden the Kraken yet but it sure looks like a fun rig, especially because unlike a lot of 27.5+ hardtails that are built with short-travel forks in mind, the Corsair sports a 67.5 degree head angle with a 140mm travel fork that it's designed around. The Kraken is manufactured with Columbus Zona steel tubes, and it's ready for an internally routed dropper seat post and an ISCG-mounted chain guide. The back-end is even fitted with a 12 x 142mm Syntace thru-axle.

Corsair is unsure of the Kraken's MSRP or weight at this point, but you can expect it to be priced pretty reasonably but also not that light.


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A 12 x 142mm Syntace axle holds the rear wheel in place.
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The drive-side of the chainstay yoke features a plate rather than a tube for more clearance.




Atomlab's New SL Carbon Wheelset

Atomlab's new 27.5'' SL Carbon wheelset is built around the company's proven Pimplite hubs, with the rear sporting six dual-edged pawls and an intricate drive ring that provides a whopping 102 points of engagement. Yes, riders who like the sound of being chased by a few thousand angry bees (that's me) will be a fan of the noise that comes from the rear hub. The hubs aren't the story here, though, as it's the carbon fiber rims that are all-new for Atomlab. The version pictured here sports a hook-less bead, but Atomlab is still testing that design against a more traditional hooked bead rim as they say that they're not convinced that no hook really is the way forward, so we might see a slightly different version when it hits production.

The rim measures 29mm wide internally, which is in line with a lot of the new wide but not too wide rims on the market, and it's also a width that should play nice with all tires out there. Atomlab has also drilled the rim for their Torque nipples that are 6mm thick (2mm thicker than standard nipples) to improve strength but lighter than their more common brass counterpart, although they do require a T20 torx tool for pre-tensioning and 3mm wrench flats allow you to use a tool to do final tensioning.

Atomlab says that a front wheel will come in at 880 grams and a rear wheel at 990, so 1,870 grams for a set. Retail price will be around $1,600 USD for a pre-built wheelset, and the company is still thinking over whether they will offer rims on their own.
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The carbon rim is 29mm wide internally.


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There's no shortage of pawls inside of the Pimplite 102 hub.
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Red is just one of many different colour options.


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95 Comments
  • 38 0
 bike prices skyrocketing out of hand and it's nice to be reminded that you can get a slack steel hardtail to hang your parts off of.
  • 8 0
 Yes! we need more of these types of frames. Love my Explosif, but would have liked something a bit more slack and built around a longer fork.
  • 7 0
 Then you should've gotten a Honzo. Way better geo.
  • 4 4
 @racerfacer .. 67.5 degree head angle aint slack !!
  • 2 0
 How much is it? What does it weigh? How does it ride?
  • 1 0
 Have you seen what Devinci's giving us for $3000(alloy)/$3700(carbon) this year? They're only skyrocketing if you absolutely need the most expensive shit.
  • 4 0
 try a chromag they are more slack and have really short chain stays good for anything from all mountain to djing
  • 2 0
 Look it up on Kona's web site. It rides waaaaay good. It just feels right. The bike was made correctly.
  • 1 0
 i second that @kennethdlt !
  • 2 1
 Plus it isn't boost.
  • 1 0
 New chromag rootdown, 66.5 !
  • 10 1
 Alright, maybe I'm crazy, but I have a small question. That Atomlab wheelset is 1870g, 29mm internal width. The stock ZTR Flow EX 27.5 wheelset on Stan's website is 1850g, 25.5mm internal width, while being much cheaper.

Is it really worth it to pay much much more money for an extra 3.5mm of width? I thought the point of carbon rims was to be light. The Atomlabs are lighter for how wide they are, but is the increase in price worth it? Will the 3.5mm of increased width be noticeable? I do understand that carbon is a much stiffer material than aluminum as well, but I just don't quite see the benefit of going carbon here.
  • 2 1
 I generally notice a big difference based on the width of the rims. More width = more traction. Maybe ask around and try to find bikes with similar rim width and decide whether it's worth it. I don't really see the benefit of going carbon either tbh. I understand that the wheels are stiffer and everything, but I'm perfectly content with my Mavic 823's. Way cheaper than carbon and after 2 years of solid abuse they have yet to bend Razz
  • 4 0
 You're also not looking at rim weights in comparison. As that has a larger effect on the inertia of the wheel than hub weight, that's the difference that sets carbon apart usually. At 102 pts of engagement their hub presumably weighs more than a stans 3.30.
  • 4 0
 Having switched over to carbon wheels that were a bit, but not much, lighter than my previous setup.... That's not why I did it. They're wider, but the biggest difference, and why I switched: stiffness. So stiff, so awesome.
  • 2 0
 I was going through hoops like crazy. Went carbon and now only true a wheel when I bust a spoke...once a year. They're also nice and stiff on my enduro 29
  • 4 0
 I would think the 102 weighs more because of bearings as well. They have 5 bearings, one on the rotor side, two stacked on the drive side, and two in the freehub. 3.5° engagement weighs a bit more but with all the bearings the wheels spin effortlessly.
  • 5 0
 Judging atomlab wheels by cost and weight is an unfair assessment. I have a set of atomlab that I have ridden for 6 years now. Straight and true, tough as hell, I have replaced a few spokes here and there, that's it.sure you spend a little bit more, and they are not the lightest on the market... but 6 years and my shit still works
  • 8 0
 Am I the only one that is disappointed that nearly every nice looking hardtail frame turns out to be a plus bike?
  • 4 1
 Put 29er wheels on it?
  • 6 1
 12x142 spacing, all Plus means is that it has lots of tire clearance. No biggie, run some 2.3s or 2.5s and have yourself a great ride.
  • 2 0
 No you're not! I have been wanting and all mountain hard tail and several of my options have been disappearing replaced with 27.5+ versions/models
  • 4 0
 $1,600 complete carbon wheelset. Yes, that's a lot of money. But it's a lot less than Enve & similar high end wheelsets. A decent alloy trail wheel (XT hubs, WTB 25mm internal width rim) goes for about $400 or so - meaning you end up at twice the cost for carbon from a respectable source. Perhaps that's progress.

Talk about burying the lede though - it has Pimplite hubs. C'mon, that's endless fodder for all kinds of fun conversation right there.
  • 2 4
 So why, when its heavier, narrower and weaker than a Stans Flow EX/Hope pro 2 combo, and $1000 more is it a viable option?
  • 8 1
 Robaussie99, the Stans Flow EX is 29.1mm outer diameter and 25.5mm internal diameter. These are 29mm INTERNALLY, not EXternally. *thumbs up* HTH.
  • 5 0
 Better enagement, wider, and stiffer than a Flow EX/Hope Pro 2 combo.. If it's more durable than Flow EX's than I think they have a winner, especially if it's cheaper than other carbon options out there.
  • 2 6
flag Draggon (Sep 17, 2015 at 12:52) (Below Threshold)
 The first thing I think about when it comes to carbon rims is the 250% better performance aspect when compared to aluminum rims. If you have ever ridden carbon rims, you know what that means........like riding on rails......not even comparable.
  • 1 1
 "250% better performance" means absolutely nothing, guy.
  • 1 2
 Okay, guy. Whatever you say, guy. Who pissed in your Corn Flakes, guy. You got sand in it, guy.
  • 3 1
 I love steel HTs, currently riding a Ragley with 140mm forks and 26 inch wheels but my previous bike was an On-One 45650b with 150mm forks....that was quite a beast and would plough through anything!....will the Kraken be available in the UK? The appeal for me would be that if it's designed around 27.5+ tyres then it would be versatile enough to run my existing 26 stuff, the 650b stuff I had from the On-One etc....would it have clearance for 29 inch wheels in there too?
  • 4 1
 Hi UK-hardtail. Yes, this will be available through www.resurrectioncycles.co.uk as soon as the factory has run a few through production. Being 27.5+, you can run plus-sized 27.5 or 29er wheels. They both fit.
  • 3 2
 Other than the fact carbon rims are stiffer, usually stronger, stay true better, and sometimes lighter than aluminum rims I find the MOST important factor of carbon rims is that they don't dent or flat spot so I can always run my tires tubeless. And I don't think I need to explain the benefits of a tubeless setup...
  • 8 2
 They crack instead of denting
  • 3 1
 Yes, and if it is just the bead you chuck some Araldite on the crack and you are done. The Syndicate go through far fewer carbon rims in a season than they did when they were using aluminium rims.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel last I heard they used far more carbon rims than alloy, at least that's what an interview with their team mechanic implied... But maybe he's wrong
  • 1 0
 @ctd07 there was an article on PB a few weeks ago about it. Perhaps what they say publicly is different to what they say privately. Intriguing.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel I just remember they broke an ass ton of envys at first, less now as they have improved, but still implied more than when they were running alloy rims. No doubt they have performance benefits, but my guess is for dh, if they get a flat and/or hit rocks too hard, the rim probly doesn't fail completely, but is damaged enough to be a liability and so thrown out, not ideal for dh use
  • 4 0
 yes a bike that is not that light, sounds like my kinda bike.
  • 4 1
 i honestly am so stoked for a company doing things right finally
  • 2 0
 I really like the Corsair, but it looks like it's called Fathom and not Kraken ?
  • 5 0
 Yes, wrong decals. We had a Fathom in the line a few years ago.
  • 2 0
 What about the Carrera Kraken that is already out in the Uk?
  • 2 0
 The Kraken by Carerra is a sack. Although I would change the name for lawsuit purposes - and affiliation. Scythe I still feel is the ideal bike name... Only want 5% on sales if you use it @Corsair-Bikes :-)
  • 4 0
 There is already the Banshee Scythe Wink
  • 11 2
 How about Rapemonster? Or thunderc*nt? Neither have been used before, and portray strength and power? Wink
  • 1 0
 Any ETA for the frame?
  • 5 0
 I would much rather ride the thunderc*nt than the rapemonster.
  • 3 0
 About 90 days. The tubing is made in Italy...that's pretty much most of the wait.
  • 4 0
 @Cunning-linguist Only 5%? Hmm...
  • 1 0
 call it the reaper, i'l only take 4%..... ok i'l settle for a frame then
  • 3 0
 What about the Carrera Kraken that is already out in the Uk?
  • 5 0
 So you shop at Halfords, right? ;-)
As far as hardtails go, this is about as far from a Carerra as you could possibly get.
  • 5 1
 It might be - but he has a point! Affiliation, I love steel hardtails painted orange, hell I've got two! But the name instantly puts me off. You could call it "clam dagger", tuna canoe, spunk panther, ham wallet or anything else and it'd be perceived as cool or fun, Kraken, make me think it's turd... And it's hard to polish a turd - because you want to start by picking it up at the clean end...
  • 2 0
 It does not matter where i shop, that is none of your business but there is already a bike with the same name that has been out for many years, the only brand you are harming is your own with that frame name.
  • 1 0
 People can diss HELLFRAUDS as much as they like, but how many other people can bail you out at 8:00 pm in the eve, or on a Sunday at 5:00pm?!!!! I'd never chose them, but if it's the difference between a ride or not, I'm in halfords straight away!!!!!
  • 2 0
 the shop i work in are open 10-4 sunday and our sister shop open 11-5 in bristol
  • 1 0
 Good news for your locals! We haven't got one like you unfortunately so I'll have to make do from time to time!
  • 1 0
 Testing with two tire sizes, 2.8" WTB's and 2.5" Minion DHF's. Meant to reply below...darn phone!
  • 2 4
 Ugh those awful WTB 2.8s again...
  • 1 0
 I think Corsair should use an name from its heritage coming from Seattle . An American Indian name , or famous trail name.
  • 11 10
 12 X 142 ? threaded BB ? What is wrong with this bike ?? Oh wait, it's a plus......
  • 4 2
 You make it sound like a bad thing.
  • 4 3
 Guess you should never try one then. Oh well. How's your 24" rig with 3.5" tires doing?
  • 3 0
 Just think of B+ as a 29er that got middle age spread, all it needs is to hit the gym and get those tall skinny 700c tyres back in place.
  • 2 0
 ...or it's a regular bike with a nice low BB and tons of mud clearance...
  • 2 0
 Sarcasm is serious business!! On a other note this would have been perfect with 29" wheels.....
  • 4 4
 OMG NEW NIPPLE STANDARD THE BIKE INDUSTRY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST MAKE IT A ROUND 10MM IS THIS GONNA BE COMPATIBLE WITH 150X12 IT'S ALL A RACKET
  • 40 0
 We have used Torque Nipples for a decade now. WHY AM I SHOUTING?
  • 5 0
 LOUND NOISES!!!!
  • 1 0
 @Atomlab-Components why your Torq nipples named as 6 mm thick, if IRL its 5 mm, and normal nipples 4?
Drilled my Spank rim for your nipples yesterday and know real size Big Grin
  • 4 0
 Sorry @Atomlab-Components; I've got nothing against your nipples. I've been in the Pinkbike comments a lot in the past 24 hours because I live for the trade shows; in retrospect, this particular bit of Boost snarkiness was poorly formulated. Nice wheels at an impressive price!
  • 2 0
 It's cool @Bluefire. I got it.
  • 2 0
 @bluefire No worries, thanks for the wheel compliment!
  • 1 0
 So the atom lab hubs come in a boost spacing option? And no, I'm not joking
  • 4 0
 No Boost hubs this year.
  • 1 0
 How much is the Corsair frame? Anyone know?
  • 4 0
 Expecting somewhere around $800.
  • 1 0
 Hopefully they face mounting surfaces before assembly
  • 1 1
 Please adjust the seatpost so the logo if facing the right way. Can't take these people seriously.
  • 2 2
 nice wheels!! the Kraken is alright but I don't like the downtube shape or the name
  • 2 3
 I for one will never buy a Corsair bike or frame ever again, had a big warranty issue with one of their frames and they basicall said go f%*k yourself
  • 17 0
 Wow, sorry to hear that. Can I ask when this was? Send a PM. If it was from the current staff or product than we my need to backhand some people.
  • 6 0
 Keep us updated you guys! We want to see what happens here!
  • 5 0
 I wanna see someone get slapped.
  • 1 0
 I was basically told that my poorly misaligned frame must have gotten this way from pedaling forces
  • 1 0
 Wow, that would be some power output, Van Der Ploeg puts out over 2,200 watts and even he can't bend frames by just pedalling, and he's a giant!
  • 1 0
 @dytrdr6 Wow is right! Thank you for the message. I completely understand why you would be put off. That was before the current Corsair crew's time (not that that helps you now) but that service chain has been corrected. Expect to hear more from us soon.
  • 1 0
 Stanton switchback 64 degree head angle with a 140mm fork
  • 3 6
 67.5 degree HA on a hardtail does not sound like fun unless you like XC!
  • 3 1
 Its close....but I just had a 650 HT frame designed with 65.5 @ 160 travel and 73.5 seat tube angle and its the most fun HT I have had to date.....For companies to take full advantage of the plus size (which is going to be on Hardtails) They should be pushing the limits on geo. That being said the Corsair looks pretty darn good for the majority of folks.
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