RC's Picks: Top Ten for 2011

Dec 23, 2011 at 3:39
by Richard Cunningham  
So, here are ten things that impressed me over that past year in no particular order. Making any best-of list means that one must eliminate at least as many worthy runner-ups as the lucky ones mentioned in the story. Darn Tough Vermont socks (wearing them as I type this), for example, and the 10-millimeter through-axle quick release that DT Swiss offers as a rear hub option are two that I had to skim from the story. Also, When I was asked to make this list, it was to be a tech story and I suppose I should have complied, but I didn't. So, enjoy the read and forgive my diversions. -RC

Best New Idea: Shimano XTR Plus Rear Derailleur

While not technically a 2011 product, Shimano released the XTR Plus rear derailleur mid-way through the year to select riders and journos. The concept is simple: Shimano added a one-way friction clutch to the cage pivot to prevent the chain from whipping the derailleur cage back and forth when riding over bumps. Normal spring tension takes up the slack as you shift to smaller sprockets, but once the shift takes place, the clutch prevents the cage from swinging forward to offer up any extra slack. When shifting to larger cogs, your leg power overrides the clutch and as the shift takes place, the pulley cage is drawn forward against the clutch friction just enough to facilitate the shift. The function of the tiny roller clutch and its gold-anodized on-off lever at the cage pivot is likely to be misunderstood by just about everyone in the bike biz who hasn't ridden an XTR Plus-equipped bike. The Salesman-Bob sell-point is that XTR Plus derailleurs silence chain slap on the frame, but that's only fluff end of the dog. The Plus-clutch keeps the lower run of the chain taught, nearly level and in control, and there are rarely (if ever), any derailments while pedaling or coasting through the big stuff - and that is sans chainguides. The little 'Plus' bits are mighty expensive, but if Shimano can figure a way to bring the technology down through SLX, it might be a huge game changer. The buzz is that Saint is getting the Plus-clutch soon.
Shimano


The Someone Finally Got It Right Award: Shimano XTR/XT Trail Pedal

It's rare that one brand gets two picks on my best-of list, but I have been waiting for a bomb-proof, lightweight semi-platform all-mountain/trail pedal for a long time. I once swore by Crankbrothers platforms as my technical trail pedals, but reliability problems forced me to give up in frustration. Shimano's previous attempts were too cumbersome or heavy to take seriously, but all that has changed. Nearly identical, XTR and Deore XT trail pedals are lightweight and very effective. They offer enough platform to get a foot out for a slide and then pedal out of a corner without having to worry about clicking back in - and the better half of the story is that most often, the re-engagement process happens automatically. After a year of banging them into rocks, my first pair of Shimano XT Trail Pedals are operating as smoothly and reliably as day one - and the shafts are straight. Nuff said.
Shimano






The Simple is Better Prize: Commencal Meta AM

I agreed to test ride the Commencal Meta AM at Crankworx. Accompanied by the bike's designer and a small cadre of Commencal folks, we hit the Lost Trails on the outskirts of the park to get acquainted with the beautiful six-inch-travel machine. It was love at first pedal. Later, I took the bike into the park and hit the mid-mountain runs and it rocked. The Meta AM's slack front end felt balanced at trail speeds and rock steady when the time came to descend. Under power, the bike's rear end remained supple and it rolled up and over roots and up stepped rock climbs with relative ease. Under braking, the bike kept its grip and followed the ground quite well. Its SRAM X.0 two-by drivetrain was perfectly geared to keep the bike flowing up and over the steeps, and its RockShox Reverb dropper post ensured that every technical section was fun. The reason Commencal gets high marks here, however, is that the Meta AM chassis matches - perhaps bests - the performance and handling of mega-engineered masterpieces from the three largest brands in the AM/trail game - and it accomplished that feat with a simple single-pivot swingarm suspension design and an off-the-shelf Fox fork and shock.
Of course, I am glossing over a lot of magic that Commencal has designed into the Meta AM. The 'Contact System' suspension ties the lower shock pivot to the swingarm to take some stress from the front triangle, and the suspension pivots on huge bearings with sturdy clevises at all four corners of the seat-stay link. The cable and hose routing is internal to extend the simple and clean theme to the entire bike, and ISCG chainguide mounts and a sturdy tapered head tube extend the capability of the Meta AM into the range of park and freeriding. The bottom line, however, is that Commencal's Meta AM has just-right geometry, suspension rates and component spec. It's the magic of perfectly done, not over-done that makes the Meta AM rock. And if you like blue, its one of the best looking bikes of the year.
Commencal


Favorite AM/Trail Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf

Schwalbe designed the Hans Dampf tire as its do-everything knobby and it hits the mark pretty well. Its weight is a respectable 750 grams for a jumbo-sized, 2.35-inch tire and its omnidirectional tread profile borders on a spike tire without the poor rolling resistance of a spike on hardpack surfaces. It rolls faster than one can imagine and as a final accolade, Schwalbe managed to make it a no-hassle tubeless ready tire. That's right. In every case, we have been able to air it up with a hand pump, and on a number of 'advertised to be tubeless' rims. The sidewalls are armored with nylon fabric and extra rubber so they are much tougher than necessary for trail work. We have used them for everything from aggressive trail riding to racing local downhills with good results. There are specialty tires that can outperform the Hans Dampf in one or another aspect of its envelope, but few come close to this one for its handyman skills. Air pressure is key to this tire's success, and the payoff for experimenting to achieve your Schwalbe sweet spot is a tough pair of tires that climbs like a goat and corners like a shifter-cart.
Schwalbe


We Get It Award: SRAM X.0 Crankset Gearing

Two-chainring cranksets were popular long before SRAM took up the flag and committed to the concept with its XX component ensemble. That said, SRAM receives huge points for shouldering the massive marketing efforts required at all levels to move two-by-ten from concept to OEM brands and ultimately, your LBS. Unfortunately for rank-and-file enthusiasts - the folks who wanted two-by in the first place - SRAM and later, Shimano decided somewhere in their dark. corporate meeting rooms, to offer tall, XC-racer gearing options. REALLY? Like riders who had been struggling to push a 22 x 34 up climbs are magically going to be able to bust out the same climbs in the equivalent of two gears higher? SRAM was the first to admit its foolish mistake and, with the debut of its X.0 component group, it now offers almost any chainring combination that a trail or AM rider would want. The key to SRAM's wonderful two-by turnaround is a replaceable spider on the X.0 Crankset that can be configured with different bolt-circle diameters and thus can be fitted with granny chainrings to 22 teeth and big rings over 40 teeth. My Favorite is the 38 x 24 combination. Its low-gear matches my old nine-speed triple and the high is tall enough to get moving on the road. Thank you SRAM.
SRAM


Comeback Kids: Marzocchi 44 and 55 RC3 Forks

Marzocchi admittedly struggled to keep pace with the likes of RockShox and Fox a few years back. The real sting came when the first name in Freeride found itself being edged out of the market that Marzocchi helped to create. I realized that Marzocchi was back in action when Brett Tippie lent me his (unridden) Rocky Mountain Slayer for a shuttle session on the rainy North Shore last winter. His bike was set up with a Bomber 55 RC3 fork that simply rocked. It saved my bacon a number of times with its big hit capabilities, but where the fork surprised me the most was in its mid-stroke. Where old 'Zokes tended to blow through their travel under braking, the new fork was stable and stayed up in its travel without suffering any loss in small-bump sensitivity. I could do no wrong with that fork. I attribute this to a lot of work in the damping department and the combination of a coil spring with an air-spring preload adjustment. Later, when I had a chance to test the 150-millimeter 44 Titanium RC3, I was equally impressed for all of the same reasons. Marzocchi's new 55 and 44 forks lose some luster on paper because they are a tiny bit heavier than their larger-than-life competitors, but there is no comparison when it comes down to ride quality.
Marzocchi




An Argument Against Flat Pedals: Danny Hart's World Championship run - Clipped In

Danny Hart may have put in the best run in the history of downhill racing - nearly 12 seconds ahead of the field in pouring rain on one of the steepest and most difficult courses that the World Championships have been contested upon. The wild man of pro downhill is one of the best sliders in the business and he does it clipped in (Crankbrothers Mallets, I think). Which begs the question: Why do downhillers still opt for flat pedals? I am sure there are a lot of reasons - but not many good ones. After watching Danny, I don't think flat pedals are the future - of downhill racing, at least.
2011 World Championships


Flat pedals are better for technical riding?: Judge for yourself.




Comeback Kid II: Kona Entourage

Kona knows how to make park bikes - they sponsor the bike programs of many of the world's most prestigious bike parks. With all of that information welling around a bike company that sits on both sides of the border, geologically centered in the best technical riding spot on the planet, one would think that Kona would rule the category. For whatever reasons, this has not been the case, but the dry spell should be over if park riders get a taste of Kona's new Entourage. This is the bike that bridges the long-wheelbase big bike feel with the nimble, short-chainstay all-mountain nimbleness. You can send it and it lands like a cat, or you can poke around exploring technical trails without feeling like you are tugging on bungee cords every time you top a short climb. The Entourage is a gravity bike, make no mistake about it, with 170 millimeters of travel, a slammed saddle and a 65-degree head angle, all it lacks is a dual-crown fork, but that's the magic of park riding - a lighter bike with slightly less travel and a bit sharper pedaling is way more fun than a full-on DH sled for all but the hardest five percent of the terrain available. Kona's Entourage is nimble in the tight stuff and simply pops off jumps. It's a must-ride for anyone in the market for a capable park bike.
Kona


My Favorite Technical Trail Brake: Magura MT-8

I liked Magura's MT-8 brake when I first tested it and later, after the release of Shimano's excellent-performing XTR IceTech disc brake, I figured that my German brakes would be scratching for second place. Now, with ample time on both systems, I found myself back in love with Magura. The MT-8 weighs almost exactly what the XTR systems does (278g VS 269g depending upon hose length), so it's not a weight issue. My MT8s never drag, they stop with authority, and Magura MT-8s have a better feel when my tires are at the razor-edge of breaking traction, like when I am burning off a lot of speed and nearing a switchback corner. What I miss sometimes is Shimano's shorty lever, but in its place is a more comfortable wide-faced carbon fiber Magura blade that never fatigues my hand on long descents. I also like that Magura's MT-8 brake runs drag free without the mechanical feeling ServoWave action of Shimano XTR and XT levers.
Magura





















For Your Bucket List: Passportes Du Soleil

My friend Lorna from Lapierre told me that I should stay on a few days after the 2012 Lapierre bike launch at Les Gets, France, to ride the 'Portes Du Soleil. I nearly passed on her suggestion in my haste to get back to the US and work. What I discovered was an endless Super D course laid out across France and Switzerland, connected by a network of chair lifts and gondolas. The event is hosted by five cities and you get about 50 miles of downhill action with plenty of alternatives ranked from easy to fear-of-death. Food stations at the bottom of major uplifts hand out hot coffee, fruit, baked and cooked local delicacies, and beer on tap.

Multi

Some of the course takes riders well above the tree line, so you can expect a bit of climbing now and then. Not to worry, there is a huge contingent of big-bike riders from the UK that make the annual trip who do a bang-up job of topping the climbs. The reward for the brief huff between runs is another spectacular view and one more 1000 meter drop into a storybook alpine town. I met a contingent of six bike industry guys from as many countries at the top of the lift at Les Gets who invited me for a lap. It was a great vibe and one of the best rides of my life. The next day I busted out half a lap of burning brake pads with Lorna. It's an event that could only happen in the Alps. Yeah, I'm going back. Passportes Du Soleil


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168 Comments
  • 205 6
 Just because Danny won on clips on that track doesn't mean 99% of the rest of the world could even get down that track in one piece (In those conditions) clipped in. Clipped VS Flats is all about the riding style and preferances.
  • 9 4
 Yeah, and you could add that more often than not, it's people riding flats on the podium... But people riding clipped-in usually rave about how much control you get on the bike and that particular race seemed to be all about control.
  • 84 6
 "After watching Danny, I don't think flat pedals are the future - of downhill racing, at least." - I think that says more about Danny than flat pedals. What an stupid thing to say. Every time Hill beat people by a ridiculous time he did it on FLATS.
  • 11 0
 Every style has it's pros and cons, but that goes for the riders as well, which is why different styles suit different riders better than something else. Ride what works for you! Insane run btw wtf!!
  • 28 7
 One thing we did learn from Danny's run is that neck braces make you slower.
  • 33 6
 the whole clips comment was really dumb. One guy won on clips great- Many of races and championships were won on flats (the name sam hill rings a bell) And with a run like that, Danny would have likely won on any pedal. Such an ignorant comment made me scroll back to the top to see who wrote that article, then it made sense. ---Someone who does not race or even ride DH Richard Cunningham.

Pedals are like a tire choice- it helps the individual rider but you cant say one is better than another for everyone, it's all preference and riding styles
  • 68 0
 Man, people have always been debating flats or clip, i say its inportant to avoid all the hype and just not use pedals.
  • 5 2
 That run was insane. I'm so sick of this debate though!
  • 3 2
 Yeah this debate seems to be endless, no point even mentioning it any more... every point to be made has been made
  • 11 1
 It's not really about the pedal debate, it's about pointing about a daft comment in a article. It's like saying riding a combination of Fox gear and a Giant makes you 11 seconds faster than everyone else, or that wearing red and blue makes you win.
  • 6 1
 I guess Mickael Pascal has been doing it wrong for over a decade....
  • 12 0
 if people rode there bike instead of debating which pedal is faster.. this would make you faster... its just practice on either
  • 3 2
 The comments about Clips and Flats were completely unnecessary.... No need. It is almost like you are being really stuck up to someone and are being a real snob trying to prove them wrong.
  • 17 59
flag emotion-captured (Dec 23, 2011 at 10:10) (Below Threshold)
 Clips are better and the only reason I can possibly think anyone might want to ride flats is because theyre a little pussy and are scared of being forced to commit to rad lines with their feet on. Pussies
  • 4 9
flag stew325 (Dec 23, 2011 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 this is the only reason I use flats on downhill! no joke.
  • 39 9
 HAHA! The clips/flats piece was a bit of a troll so I owe some of you an apology. I ride both. When I was making bikes, working on the relationship between fork offset and head angles, and how it affected cornering, I rode everything, XC and DH in flats for two years. I wanted to get a neutral feel when the bike was drifting in a corner and I needed the flats for the necessary escape clause - but I liked the freedom of riding flats. They require a different foot position on the pedals and that affects your CG, posiion over the bike, cadence, saddle height and even crank length, but save that for another discussion.
The reality of the flats vs clipped in argument has more to do with the future than the present. If one compares (try to concentrate on the big picture here) ski and snowboard racing with the present MTB racing, it raises a worthy question: Are we at the cusp of an advanced DH riding technique that, when combined with the recent tweaks in frame geometry and being clipped into the pedals, will be a game changer for DH racing? When you are clipped (this is the ski analogy) you can relax and ignore a lot of really sharp hits and concentrate on your lines because your skis aren't going anywhere if you get bounced unexpectedly. Flats are proven to be good and at present, riders on flats rule gravity - that's a fact. However, the sport advances quickly and then plateaus for a period of time, and from my perspective, DH has been pretty stable for a spell. Guys like Danny are not just wild men who risk for the win. He's got a different style of riding and being clipped in is only a part of it. He rides with a plan and those who want to stand above him on the boxes should pay close attention to the subtleties hidden behind his sometimes ragged technique.
  • 7 0
 Well said RC. I think it really only applies to pros who have gotten their skills up to an insanely high level though. My old speed skating coach always said that speed was 90 percent skill and 10 percent equipment, and that the equipment only became a factor once ALL of the possible skill was there. Seems kind of like what you said about Danny and his clips.
  • 1 0
 Fair enough RC, though it could also be said being on flats allows you to keep you bike on line when your feet are bouncing about (footing off etc).
Marseer, equipment may become a factor but only on an individual level. It has been well proven that both flats and clips can be ridden to win world cups, but fact is these riders would be winning regardless of their pedal choice. The "which pedal is better" debate is utterly tired and redundant.
  • 7 0
 Danny could have won without pedals at all....not really...but still.
  • 2 2
 Richard, I really don't see how clips are a 'game changer' - we've been racing DH on clips for decades. Other than weight, has there really been any improvement in function since the PD-M636?

In terms of foot/pedal interfaces, the only game changer over the past two decades was a shoe Intense had made by Five Ten. I would not be riding flats as confidently as I do without that sticky rubber.

I do agree that light DH bikes are a game changer - we are now at a point where equipment is so light and strong that sometimes it is, debatably, too light, and we are hearing of pros opting for heavy parts. I wonder what it will take for the UCI to impose minimum weights on DH bikes? Actually, we know what it will take - a very public injury or death.
  • 3 0
 "What an stupid thing to say" Hahahaha I just had to point out the irony there
  • 6 0
 Sam Hill Champery 07. That is all.
  • 3 1
 @kinglingping "One thing we did learn from Danny's run is that neck braces make you slower."


yes but they can save your life
  • 2 0
 Personally, i think it would be better to use clips on the rough technical stuff, because i only have 6 inches of travel and my pedals are flats, and my feet have been kicked of the pedals many times. But that is just me :p
  • 1 2
 "Personally" being the key word. Jacko - you've missed the point, it's sarcasm.
  • 2 6
flag DHmental (Dec 23, 2011 at 18:14) (Below Threshold)
 Clips should be outlawed from Dh racing. You trade a little bit of improved peddaling performance for a very high risk factor when falling. Just watch that one world cup where minnar is struggling to unclip with one foot on and one foot off through the woods. If he could have slapped a foot or two out real quick he would not have crashed or least could have saved himself from going OTB.
  • 17 3
 I think DH bikes should be outlawed from DH racing. At the speed these guys are going it's way too risky for them to get injured if they mess up. The human body has not been created in the optic of bailing while going that fast.
  • 2 0
 i do not race, i do mostly freeride stuff, and i prefer clipless pedals, simply because i can lift up the rear end of my bike a little easier, and going through rockgardens i feel that i have more control and can most through them faster and smoother(i know smootness in a rock garden is a major oxymoron). and i have ridden flats for 2 seasons on DH too. Honestly, if i started racing DH i would go with clipless pedals, maybe its cause im used to them from my road racing experience and if i rode flats in a race i would most likely pull my foot right off the pedal trying to pull up on the pedal when i get a chance to hammer it. This is just my opinion, take it was you will, digest it, ponder it, but most importantly, respect it. i do NOT want to start more arguing.
  • 2 5
 tbh. the new kona DH bike. doesnt look half ass. i wouldnt mind riding it compared to the older DH bikes.. they were ugly! this one doesnt look to bad.
  • 6 0
 i like how that^ gets posted as a reply to the comment thread about clipless pedals. haha!
  • 2 3
 i just wanted ppl to read my comment Smile
  • 7 3
 No need to apologize RC, you were correct in your statement about clips being faster, especially on the World Cup level. The best riders on clips go just as fast in the technical sections, and gain time on the racers on flats in the pedal sections.

This isn't even a debate as far as I'm concerned; nobody on flats won any significant races this year, all the World Cups and the World's were won on clips. This is why I'll be surprised if Sam Hill ever wins a big race again, he and others like him simply cannot make up the time they lose in the pedal sections, especially to AG with his super stiff, super efficient bike. Why do you think Steve Smith is experimenting with clips? You sure as hell don't see any top guys on clips experimenting with flats, do you? That's because pros now know clips are faster, if you can handle them. AG learned to ride clips as a young child, so it's totally natural for him. That is the key.

Having said all that, I race and ride DH on flats, because it doesn't come as natural to me. But it sure came naturally for Nico, who won 10 World Championships in a row on clips. It's sorta funny how many guys who run flats are so sensitive about this issue, I think they know clips are faster, but they are intimidated by them so they react very defensively.

Having said all that, flats are more fun to ride on, unless you are trying to be the fastest. Also the best for snow riding, imho.
  • 5 0
 I've been interested in this clips/flats debate for a long time now, and I've been keeping mental notes while looking at photos and video of crashes. By far there are way more crashes due to people slipping off flats than there are crashes from people failing to unclip. Slipped flat crashes are usually pretty gnarly too. My own experience follows the same pattern. I feel unsafe on flats, and can unclip just as fast as lifting a foot off the pegs.
  • 1 0
 i understand that each person is different in the flats/clips topic but let me say this. in my experience, riding clipped in does not make you more likely to crash, nor does it make a crash any more gnarly if it does happen. if you need to take your foot off, it comes off just as fast. and i assure you if you do crash, its gonna unclip. i feel like i get more control from clips, and i understand that some may disagree. but i don't think fear is a valid reason to avoid clips. i actually feel way safer on clips whether its fr, dh, am, xc or what
  • 2 0
 I run flats and clips, i have no trouble getting out of clips or getting back into them. there are certain type of rideing that clips make a big difference like 4x and bmx racing. For DH i can honestly say Im not any faster on clips or flats Im about the same. If i was racing 4x (whcih i dont) it would be clips all the way because of the snap out the gate. 90% of the time i stick with my falts even for xc, i have no problem in climbing on my flats which some xc riders find very confusing!
  • 1 0
 I run flats most of the time on my DH bike, however I used to strictly run clips. I now fun flats because I think it's funner and I don't care as much about maximum pedaling efficiency. I still run clips on one DH course but the rest I run big ol flats with 5.10s and I rarely have issues coming off the pedals. Sure you may gain a few watts of power running clipped on some pedally courses but on many steeper non-pedally courses like champarey, I don't think it makes a huge difference.

And for me it's not a difficulty getting out thing as when i ran clipped I kinda naturally came out of the pedals when stuff got hairy. It purely fun, I like getting a tad dicey and throwin a foot out and you can whip with no worry of coming unclipped (only an issue on SPDs not crank bros)
  • 1 0
 I must say that I started out just trail riding and always rode clipped in and it comes very natural and easy for me. When I ride DH however I find that when riding on the edge of control you can throw a foot out and dab much quicker on flats and get back on it quicker especially over rough rocky terrain. And Protour I never said they were faster, I said they were safer. Would you stop wearing a helmet and knee pads because without them you could go faster? I think this is a important safety factor the only reason many pros ride clipped in is because they must to compete. Props to guys like bryceland killing it on flats.
  • 2 0
 Ok, now wait a minute. Sure Danny was on Mallets but was he clipped? All the time? I remember a point at his run, his rear end slipped and his foot was out of the pedal instantly, as if he wasnt clipped at that point. Besides, if Mallets are to made run them clipped all the time, why do they have such a big surface? And why do they have pins? And why doesnt someone just ask Danny if he was clipped all the time ?
  • 2 0
 the Troy is on clip . . . and he started to hit the Hill
  • 1 0
 He unclipped the inside foot before the turn.
  • 1 0
 "proptour" - well said, sir.
  • 2 0
 Too many flat pedal riders think clips is about pedal efficiency. It helps, but not that much at all(especially on technical courses). I ride clips for Dh racing. People always wondering why i bother wanting the extra pedal efficiency but im not after that, they act as a better means on control for the bike, perfect example, watch Danny the right hander after he takes his last tear off before the bottom jumps. His body position has adapted to riding clips and understands he can get away without dabbing a foot and losing time and causing body unbalance and essentially time. You can also watch his foot position the whole way down, he takes his foot off once the whole way down (as far as we can see). I strongly agree flat pedals are the way forward in downhill, Gwin was on clips, Brycland, Steve Smith moved to clips for some races. Clips will benefit you on a rougher track fact. More control and smoothness. The big dogs on the world cup dont run clips for jokes.

Id highly recommend anyone riding flats to give Clips a go. You'll hate it at first but after a few rides u will notice the benefits.

spyretto, why u in the world would you run clip pedals and not clip in you mug?!

On the other side of the dabate. I own some flats, dont use them often but sometimes for my hardtail its more convienent. It allows a more ragged style especially for dirt jumping and pump tracks, clips wont help you there.
  • 2 2
 Yes clips are a performance enhancement, so is shaving your legs and wearing lycra! lol
  • 2 0
 olynch, to me clips is about pedaling efficiency. I can control just fine with 5.10s and good flats. And if I have to drop a foot I can ride out the rest of a rough section on my heel if I have to where as a clip you gotta get right back in. There are some courses where I get bounced around a lot and I use clips there but for 90% of the courses in the series I ride in you can control just fine with flats
  • 3 0
 A lot of people mention that flats are better for safety reasons and if you want to dab. I ride flats and while I like to think I'm decent on a dh bike, I'm nowhere near being close to how good pros are. That being said, I hardly ever dab and when I do, I usually knew before hand I would have to. I also noticed that sometimes on extremely technical sections "preventive dabbing" messed me up more than it helped so "being commited" due to clips will force you to push the enveloppe in a positive way as it forces you to go through the section for the better and for the worse. Even then, so far with my very limited clipped in experience, when things go south, unclipping becomes a reflex so much that you unclip instantly the milisecond it crosses your mind.

So yeah, unless you're a beginner and you don't really feel at home on a bike I don't really see safety as an issue on clips. I remember when I first started downhill, I thought people riding clipped had a deathwish. The better I got the less I crashed and it got to a point where I believe clips are the next step as I feel that not having to worry about my feet being bounced off the pedals or having them "vibrate" to bad position on the pedal (even with good pedals and 5-10s) when riding very rugged sections would actually help enough to overcome the possible disadvantage when crashing.
  • 1 0
 clips are by all means faster! why do you think road racers race with clipless pedals? becuase you get more power. now obviously, DH isnt road racing, but the only really differents is the terrain, and in that case, the only downside to clipless pedals are that they do somewhat lock you to the bike. but unclipping becomes pure instinct after you get used to them. and if you have pedals such as the shimano 545 or crankbrothers mallets ect. you dont have to clip in right away, you just throw your foot on the pedal, and if it clips in great, if it doesnt you just pedal unclipped for a little til you get to an open section then you clip it. the only downside to clipless pedals is when you first start, you have to learn to instinctively unclip, which can take a while, but you will get it eventually, oh yeah, also, if you do tricks, you probably dont want to ride clipless pedals, other than that, clipless are the way to go!
  • 1 0
 @DHmental, i race road, and i shave my legs and wear tight lycra, definitely very fast! you should try it out sometime.
  • 1 0
 bikeracer28, then you should know that shaving your legs has nothing to do with aerodynamics, and all to do with not getting infected road rash.
  • 1 0
 i do indeed know that. i was just joking about the very fast part. haha
  • 13 0
 Great article. I hope that shimano xtr plus thingy gets transfered to the saint, works well, then trickles down to the cheaper models. Although some might want to keep a bash guard down there, it would be great if it eliminated the need for a chain guide on top of cutting down chainslap. The downside I see though, is that I'm sort of bored of having them constantly upgrading derailleurs. Every year they seem to be making them more and more expensive when no one really wants to buy the expensive ones as it tends to be the first thing that flies out of the window when things go south.

I'm also happy that marzocchi seems to be back on track with quality products. With X-fusion who also seems to be making good products, maybe we'll have a real price/quality war in the shock department now. I'm not convinced the consumers benefited in having only 2 big names in the shock category.
  • 3 2
 Seems like the resistance in the derailleur would (albeit minimal) provide some resistance to suspension movement on bikes with chain growth.
  • 1 0
 Everybody seems to be looking pretty awesome right now. What's up with BOSS? I never see those in person but it looks like a nice fork.

but yeah about what I was saying, even Kona is looking a lot better than they used to.
  • 1 0
 I've talked to someone running a deville bos and he said floats do better. That's just one person's preference though.
  • 2 0
 I have new 2012 zochi 44 and 888's, they are definitely back and then some. At least in the coil sprung department. For air, the new fusion stuff is noticeably better than fox. I have not ridden any rock shox air though so my experience in air is fairly limited to those two.
  • 1 0
 @meathooker - I've heard the same thing, that some riders are noticing it enough that they are making slight changes to their spring rate. Anyone out there had to do this?
  • 1 0
 lol with all this crazy talk about this and that and everyone getting all technical im going to feel offel stupid asking this... but harts foot come off his pedal around that one corner where the announcer is like "DANNY STAY ON YOUR BIKE" loollll.so hows that work if he is cliped in?
  • 14 1
 DANNY STAY ON YOUR BIKE!! LOL!! I just love that video...LOL
  • 7 0
 hehe clips vs flats... I'm sorry RC but I'm pretty sure you know it deep inside that clip-ins is as great for ANY kind of cyclist as running shoes for runners. Not many have any wish to run a marathon barefoot, both in terms of lost comfort and lost "performance enhancement", but also not many realize that using ever present running shoes leads to more or less serious overuse injuries. Not so long ago my step-sisters friend from roadie club had a return of knee pains, two years after the surgery. Both her father (the club coach) and she realized that any kind of serious cycling career is over and decided to try flat pedals just to be able to enjoy the passion of cycling and racing she loves so much. Guess what, despite no loss of training intensity, pains are getting lesser. If you try to put it on wrong fit and all this important stuff being discovered on and on well, you are challenging the "clip-in science" on its own. Should it really be SO difficult to ride a bike safely so it is highly necessary to hire a rare specialist?!

Any kind of biking, even on amateur level is about passion, seeking perfection, but it is also a sport which one of the most important principles is "recreation" - getting healthier by practicing it. If you just search for performance enhancement you will start to exploit your body (or wallet)

I just mean, let's show all sides of riding clipped in, not just perfomance. How about masking lacks of skills and bad habits? Many ride clip-ins for DH to not fall off pedals, but how about - isn't it better to learn the right technique on flats, to eliminate the cause not just minimize the effect?
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 I agree with you up until 'I just mean, let's show all sides of riding clipped in, not just perfomance. How about masking lacks of skills and bad habits? Many ride clip-ins for DH to not fall off pedals, but how about - isn't it better to learn the right technique on flats, to eliminate the cause not just minimize the effect?'
If anything, its the flat pedal which masks bad habits. The SPD teaches you how to ride so the bike is never imbalanced to the point where you have to dab.
  • 1 0
 Flat pedals mask bad habits? Is that why many racers use them for training purposes, so they can slack off? hehehe. SPD's do not teach you how not to dab. You can still unclip and stick your foot out and make braaap braaaap noises all you like. You can teach your self not to dab on both kinds of pedals. It is discipline in training that allows you to learn that technique, not your equipment.
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 @zap606 - I'd have to disagree with you on flat pedals masking bad habits, it's the opposite. Flat pedals teach you so much more bike control and how to use your body to make your bike do things, while clips let you use your feet/legs to do the same thing. I always recommend that new riders start with flats to learn the proper basics before making the jump to clips.
  • 1 0
 ^mikelevy knows his stuff!
  • 1 0
 What really spawned my essay was a bit of dissappointment. I think Clipless "system" really do not need any more advertising in bike media. The industry spends so much money to stuff us with pro clipless info that flat pedals enthusiast can only make a few silent cries. This year Sidi was able to afford being the main sponsor of the coverage of Tour De France on Eurosport channel, before giants like wiggle.com and Shimano. Many (including me sometimes) whine about uber expensive platform pedals like straitline, but just compare these to prices of some clipless ones. Disproportion is even bigger when it comes to shoes.
  • 2 0
 im echoing mike's sentiments about which teaches bad habits: clip ins are just that. a biker that has bad habits on flats can be somewhat corrected using clip ins and goes faster vs using flats. im saying this based on personal experience. i ride XC most of my life and after moving over to canada, having tried some sick trails here, i've gotta go for flat pedals and then i found out how ridiculous i am using flats. even just the feeling of not being clipped in makes me nervous, anticipating or knowing my feet will be knocked off from the pedals once it gets rough or my feet goes out of position and starts to rub the crank arms just drives me nuts. and now i realized i should have used flat pedals during my early years in mountain biking be it XC or whatever.
  • 7 0
 Great article.

Agree with the Shimano Trail pedals. I feel a lot more comfortable on these then the old pedals with the larger use able platform and ease of getting in and out.

As for the flats vs clipped in debate. It is a matter of preference and comfort. I switch between the two depending on the bike and trail I'm riding. I prefer flats on more technical trails since its easier to bail. Clipped in is far more committed... but in a race its probably an advantage.

I'm clipped in all the way on more XC/AM rides where there is more climbing and the descents aren't as hairy.

Nice plug for Kona! I've heard lots of good things about them for 2011. So long as you don't talk about the magic link...
  • 3 1
 Agreed, RC went out on a limb on a few of those choices, but great article!

The one point that I'd like to make is that I honestly feel that most riders think that clipping in is a bigger advantage than it really is. There are obviously 100% proven advantages to clips, zero doubt about that, especially being able to use different muscles, but a rider who has a good spin doesn't loose much on a climb to a rider who is clipped in, depending on conditions.
  • 5 0
 The only answer to the clips vs flats debate is to ride both and live free! That's my 2 cents anyway.
  • 1 0
 on another note... I'm a fan of Sram derailleurs, but that plus feature is awesome. When Saint gets this option I may have to switch!
  • 4 0
 @mikelevy, so true. I was clipped in for 18 years and finally was tired of not cornering properly. After using flats for a full summer, i credit them for allowing me to improve my body position and using my hips properly through the corners. A totally unexpected benifit was developing a smoother and stronger spin when pedalling. Having said that, I have taken what i have learned from flats back to clipless and am totally loving it. To say "flats all the way" or "clips all da way" is just so ignorant and narrowminded. Also, brilliant putting RC on the staff, its amazing how the under 25 crowd doesnt understand his experience and contributions to the sport.
  • 1 0
 I've been trying to learn how to cuttie, I can sort of do it clipped in, but unless I can do it on flats i'm doing something wrong. While clips do help you to stay on the pedals, proper technique should be more important... just look at trials riders and what they can do on flats!
  • 1 0
 why not make magnetic flats and use magnetic shoes? it would give you better grip with the added advantage of being able to take your foot off easily.
  • 1 0
 Sharonb, what did you wanted to say with " (Kona) ... So long as you don't talk about the magic link..." ?
  • 1 0
 Sharonb, the best place to learn cutties is on an asphalt road. Start pumping quick turns with your cranks level and gradually push harder and harder with your legs, like skiiing - weight the turn and unweight the transition. You'll hear the knobs protest well in advance of them sliding out. Then, take it to some wet gravel or very moist dirt.
  • 1 0
 iamamodel - awesome thanks. I had a feeling it should feel like edging on skis but I'll try that!
  • 9 0
 One feature of the Shimano Trail pedal is always overlooked.. it makes an effortless bottle opener!
  • 1 0
 how do you know that it's not intentional lol
  • 4 6
 Now we know why there are so many mispels/typos Razz
  • 1 0
 *mis-spelled words
  • 9 1
 "Which begs the question: Why do downhillers still opt for flat pedals?"

Really? You honestly asked that question? Well here's one simple answer, we're not all Danny Hart.
  • 1 0
 well said man. I was going to write exactly the same thing.
  • 14 4
 Flat's all the way.
  • 17 0
 Yes, to say Danny's win was because he was on clips is the same as saying everyone should be on a Giant Glory - its the total package, not just one variable the made that winning run. Only very recently one could have said "Clips are dead: Sam Hill just proved it... twice."

Flat pedals are better for technical riding? Judge for yourself... and watch Ryan Leech, Danny MacAskill, Brandon Semenuk...
  • 5 2
 While I agree with your first point, I'm not sure if you were sarcastic but considering semenuk and macaskill actually aren't on their pedals half the time they're on the bike, I think it's quite unfair to toss them into that argument. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
  • 3 0
 Why would anyone wear flats in a DH race environment? its about commitment and flat speed. Only reason is if you are a casual and don't want to snap you legs (like me)
  • 1 0
 Yeah I have seen some very bad crashes but i have grown up on flats and I like to stick my foot out in the sketchy corners so I think I'll stay with flats for now or untill I find ÂŁ100+ floating about so that I can buy good set and ride for a while rather than a day on my friends :L
  • 10 3
 The proof reading on articles on Pinkbike is appalling at the moment! sort it out, it looks so unprofessional
  • 1 0
 A bit harsh as I find most articles here well written. But this one, while interesting, has about one typo per paragraph... It's also funny how the number of typos here make me trust Mike Levy's similar article more!
  • 2 0
 The editors have been fortifying the eggnog...
  • 1 0
 I wonder if he even re-read his work to be honest. There where a lot of obvious mistakes.
  • 4 0
 I don't see why the flat/clip pedals debate is so heated. Who cares? Run what ya' brung. If you like flats, great. Clipless, whatev's. Who cares. Personally, I ride flats on my DH bike, but really, its just because I'm the self-proclaimed king of crash, and prefer the peace of mind of being able to get safely aware from my bike in the event of a crash without worrying about unclipping. If I was better, I'd ride clipless. I run clipless whenever I'm riding XC or road.
  • 2 0
 Word!
  • 6 0
 Love danny's awesome whip! Te best product for me- kona entourage- nice and I would like to ride it!
  • 4 1
 I don't think it's the old Clips vs Flats chestnut so much as destroying the myth that steep, technical, muddy, rooty DH courses with little pedalling favour flat pedal riders. Danny Hart, Greg Minnar and Aaron Gwin have blown that falacy clean out of the water. Flat pedals and clips can inspire both poor and good technique but that's down to the individual, not the pedal. Then again other than Sam Hill how many flat pedal riders have consistently won world cups?
  • 2 1
 Ok Brook macdonald Josh Miami bryce Sam hill Brendog To name a few
  • 2 0
 Chris Kovarik still holds the record on the biggest winning margin in WC history and he rides flats.
  • 2 0
 Brook, Josh, and Brendog have consistently won world cups?
  • 1 1
 Lol, I'm pretty sure none of those 3 riders on flats have NEVER won a World Cup race, and Sam Hill's winning days appear to be over. Nobody won anything on flats last year, those days are over.
  • 3 0
 the comments only prove that what RC writes gets attention, good or bad. whether you agree with him or not, we still commented on it. and some with vitriol. you know what they say: any publicity is good publicity. RC does a good job of inciting discussion.
  • 5 0
 Great choices Richard. The Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires are unbelievably good.
  • 2 0
 I sort of regret not getting the 55rc3ti's when I was choosing new forks last month, I was a huge zocchi fan up until 07 but in the end I went with the 170mm lyrik rc2dh's. Curiosity still kicks in whenever I see the 55rc3. A great read and the new Meta Sx is my frame of choice if I do decide to change my frame this season.
  • 1 0
 I'm actually quite tempted by the 2012 55 CR.... only ÂŁ400 from winstanleys (RRP ÂŁ450), air sprung, compression and rebound damping, 170mm travel and only weighs 2.3kg... replacement for my totems maybe? I'm no weight weenie, but my totems have more than half a kilo on these forks, on a bike that i pedal up, as well as down, could maybe make a big difference... Just thinking out loud here....
  • 1 0
 Yeah half a kilo is a lot of weight to be saved, I am certainly noticing a difference between the lyrik and my old totem with only 10mm travel lost. Big problem is that the 55cr doesn't have an rc3 cartridge which just makes it an extremely basic fork compared to the totem.
  • 1 0
 hmm true, high/low speed compression damping is pretty useful... might look into lyriks or something
  • 1 0
 Just buy the RC3. There is literally no sensible alternative I have found.
  • 3 0
 i agree with shimano's trail pedals. they should've thought of that a long time ago. and i agree with RC's statement about reliability issues with CB pedals. such a maintenance hog.
  • 2 0
 So RC still cracks me up. I agreed with 90% of what he said when he was at MBA, and now its the same on PB. Most of what he says makes perfect sense and then he comes out of nowhere with the declaration that Danny has killed the debate about flat pedals. I prefer clips personally, but they aren't for everyone. At least he didn't say the Kona needed a Black Diamond badge on it...
  • 2 0
 You can always count on RC to say something controversial, but I give him credit for sticking to his guns. I'm of the opinion that platforms will always be present at the pointy end of the WC field, but that's just one man's opinion. Just an FYI though, RC wasn't behind that whole "black diamond" gong show =)
  • 2 0
 I read one of my old MBA mags last night and had a good laugh.
  • 2 0
 I ride both flats (Cully's+510s) and clipped in (Shimano646+Sidi's) and it's totally dependent on riding style, bike, trail, and preference.

I will say this though. In general (not everyone):
- clipped in: more of a function over form crowd. they see performance advantages to clipless pedals
- flats: more of a form over function crowd. it's just way cooler to rock flats. and more comfy to boot.
  • 2 0
 Somebody mentions clipless pedals in a downhill race and suddenly everyone goes crazy...lol Love my XTR trail derailleur! I knew I had to have one from the moment I saw them around Sea Otter. The trail pedals have served me well too. I'm not convinced they help me all that much in terms of performance, but they make the occasional ride to work on my trail bike in regular shoes a little more comfortable. I suppose the extra support has minimized the hotfoot I used to get a lot more on long rides.
  • 1 0
 I now swear by clips for DH after using them for a year, however I know people who have tried and hated them, swapping back to flats mid-ride! Simply a preference and what you are comfortable with at the end of the day. I would like a set of those XT pedals for the hard tail though.
  • 2 1
 It's not about who's won this and who's won that on a particular type of pedal. It's quite clear that the writer is a bias idiot and shouldn't be documenting on the biggest bike site if he can't be impartial. Forget his "comment" and just go ride be it flat, clip, cage as all that matters is the smile on our faces while pushing the limits. FIN.
  • 1 0
 Commencal Meta AM looks interesting. Great looking bike..!! Like the idea its single pivot design, oversized bearings.. 160mm on front ? Hmm...

Danny Hart is: All heart and soul on that run. Best part of RC's Top Ten Pics. I'll stick to my Azonic flats, Thanks..

Nice round up of products. The Zoke is Back.? Would like to see more on that. See how their treating those seals and old style oil leaks. Who's building their cartridges these days ?

Love Magura breaks... They have a special feel to them..

Why am I fighting it.! I want a double. 2x10 Start saving....
  • 1 0
 It's sort of strangely funny, I run the those tires, fork, pedals, and XTR drivetrian on a 6X6 and I shred like a rock star haha. Not Danny Heart rock star like (that run was insane) But me and RC think alike. Those brakes are nutty expensive, XT Ice are the affordable version.
  • 1 0
 I don't see any shoe contact wear on the front or back of the "platform" of that pedal. Is that platform actually supporting the shoe when clipped in?

It looks like the only surface worn is the immediate left/right of the SPD mechanism - which isn't an area much greater than a standard XTR pedal.

If this is the case, I am wondering what the point of the platform is?

Waiting to be corrected.
  • 1 0
 I don't see any shoe contact wear on the front or back of the "platform" of that pedal. Is that platform actually supporting the shoe when clipped in?

It looks like the only surface worn is the immediate left/right of the SPD mechanism - which isn't an area much greater than a standard XTR pedal.

If this is the case, I am wondering what the point of the platform is?

Waiting to be corrected.
  • 1 0
 Platforms surrounding clips are for when you can't get clipped in immediately. When clogged with mud and when plowing through a rough section, sometimes it is nice to be able to stand on the pedal even when the clip fails to engage.
  • 2 0
 Interesting write-up. I wish more of the stuff on the list was within my price range, but it's good to know what sort of technology is on the horizon for trickle-down.
  • 3 1
 I'm surprised RC picked the Commencal considering it doesn't have any water bottle mounts. RC was all about the water bottle mounts in his MBA days.
  • 1 0
 Haha love my water bottle mounts too. That AM bike is a top for looks in my books for sure, but I really want to ride one for a few days after talking to RC about how it performed.
  • 1 0
 How about that test platform for the 'Zoke? Brent could have used some love on this list...
  • 1 0
 Why don't I downhill on clips? Because my knees can't take any more clipped in crashes. For many of us non-racers, that 1% quicker race time isn't worth tearing our bodies apart.
  • 2 2
 clipped pedals are always better, its the rider who can't use them comfortably - that's the problem. You can ride clipped in just like you can on flats, you just have way more control. Don't think so? Practice more.
  • 4 1
 But the questions is, can you ride flats just like you are clipped in?
  • 1 1
 I bet he can't, I also bet he's would be the type to slag off 29ers even though he hasn't ridden one lmao
  • 1 0
 yes I can. right tools for the right purpose.
  • 1 0
 Everyone with half a brain knows that clipless pedals are faster. The reason most people use flats (including myself) is because their level of skill or confidence is too low to ride hard clipped in. It's a fact that you can put a lot more power through clips, and you can keep pedalling over bumps that would bounce you off if you were pedalling on flats (even if you're on the 5.10 bandwagon). Riders in the pro ranks have to decide where they are going to make time - on the pedals or by being ragged in the tech. If Sam Hill or anyone else learnt how to have confidence clipped in, he would be faster. Out of 7 top level races this year there were three winners - Gwin, Minnaar, Hart - all clipped in. Last year who won? I think Hill at the worlds was the only one on flats (and that would have been different if it didn't start to rain half way through). If you look at the all-time winners list, I think you'll find a similar story.
Flats: fun, yes. Fast, no. FACT.
  • 4 1
 I'm buying stock in clipless pedals today.
  • 1 3
 sorry RC but this article sounded a shit load like mountain bike action, the worst mtb mag ever to come to print. little to no knowledge of DH, bad tech advise and over all a utterly boring read. Saying clips are the future is just dumb. why not 29ers while your at it and start another pointless argument that comes down to rider preference. try some 5tens and some straightline pedals and tell me you dont have enough traction. and marzocchi and kona CMON!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 Have you actually ridden with ANY of the products mentioned here? I have, and they are given the nod industry wide. Just because both your ability to ride clips and writing maturity are subpar, does not mean you need to bash everything that is not geared towards super steezed out freeride products. Not everyone is into 800mm bars and barney purple anodized shin manglers.
  • 2 0
 In what way is the Commencal linkage simple!?! haha
  • 3 1
 Its very very simple... Smart doesn't necessarily mean complex.
  • 2 0
 It's a faux bar with a floating shock, except the swingarm also compresses the shock, technically making the average leverage ratio higher, which is opposite of what Trek does. Lower leverage rates allow lighter spring rate and typically allow it to be more sensitive on small bumps (and less stress on the pivots and seals).

I think RC says what makes it simple is that Commencal apparently doesn't have custom tuning done on their shocks for this model, according to RC (off-the-shelf stock shock and fork), which is the main difference between this and the Trek full floater models with their DRCV and custom tuning. Maybe the clean "simple" look too, without the external cables routing.

According to the BikeRadar review, Commencal did have some work done on the shock tune, which negates that plus. MBR also noted that they had two shock options for their test, a shock with higher boost valve setting and a lower setting shock.

I hope they supply a mud and rock guard for the rear s hock, to protect it from the close exposure to the rear tire. That's a mess of cables in front of the handlebar in that pic too. I want to see the dropper post and rear brake line routing.
  • 1 0
 I need something new for the bucket list, I did the Passportes this year Smile SO FUN
  • 1 0
 Thanks so much for having me watch Danny's run again. Always puts a smile on my face. Incredible!!!
  • 2 0
 I thought this article was okay until I took an arrow to the knee!!!
  • 1 0
 the Commencal looks like it would be a sick park bike with the right set-up.
  • 2 0
 riding flat pedals takes more skills.
  • 1 0
 I actually nearly pissed myself at "Oh god! DANNY STAY ON YOUR BIKE" :'D
  • 1 0
 so, about those 9 other article topics.......
  • 4 3
 Does anyone look at this stuff before they post it on the site?
  • 3 3
 does Aaron Gwin use clips or flats???????because he won 5 races and i think he is the future...
  • 2 0
 Clips Dude
  • 2 1
 where is my comment??????
  • 2 0
 Just above this one. Smile
  • 1 0
 my comment disappeared?????????
  • 1 0
 It happens to the best of us. Don't sweat it.
  • 2 0
 Clips all da way!
  • 1 0
 That race in France and Switzerland sounds freaking amazing!
  • 1 0
 Watched Danny's run again...fxck me.
  • 1 0
 When it comes to wet rocks and roots in CT trails, Hans is the SH1T!!!
  • 1 0
 s p d 4 life. DH is the man
  • 1 0
 Looks like Biker Fox is racing DH HAHA!
  • 1 0
 but danny rides flat pedals also . on flat nothings olding youback.
  • 1 0
 AWERSOME stuff!
  • 1 1
 flat pedals all the way
  • 1 0
 Haha flats are phat lmfao
  • 1 0
 Phlat pedals!
  • 2 5
 i guess Sam hill decimating everyone for years on flats was just luck then? Stick to writing silly mba-style articles instead of trolling dh'ers with silly comments.
  • 1 0
 by mba do you mean mountain bike action magazine or masters of business administration degree? coming from a silly dh'er i doubt you mean the latter. Smile
  • 1 3
 weak picks
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