Hope Tech Evo V4 Brakes Review

Jun 26, 2013 at 0:05
Jun 26, 2013
by Alasdair MacLennan  
 
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Hope Tech Evo V4 brake details:
• Intended for Downhill and Big Mountain riding
• Quad piston design using staggered 14mm & 16mm pistons
• 183mm & 203mm rotor compatibility
• Solid, floating & vented rotor options
• CNC machined 2014 T6 Aluminium construction
• Titanium bolts (Stealth Edition)
• Braided stainless steel hoses
• Colours: silver (standard) or black (Stealth Edition)
• Weight: 482g each (actual) including 203mm rotor & titanium mounting hardware
• MSRP: apprx £250 inc floating rotor (vented +£50)

Hope have been on the brake scene for a long time, predating many of the current big players with their early adoption of the technology to the point that you could almost say they were the first company to make disc brakes a viable option.
A few years may have elapsed since their last World Cup victory, and you no longer see a queue of riders from other teams lining up to get in on the action with their brakes, but they still see use at the highest levels of the sport. With several years under its belt, and in a market full of competitors refusing to stand still Hope recently took the decision to replace the long serving V2 caliper. Its replacement, the V4, we first previewed in our 2012 Eurobike coverage and what follows is our experience with them from a winter of testing.

The Details

Tech Evo lever
Rather than creating a wholly new brake from the ground up Hope elected to utilise the recently revised, and already proven, Evo version of their Tech lever. This is available on the majority of their brakes and has proven a worthy successor to the tough original. To move the game on, the Evo features revised pivot geometry for an approximate 15% power increase over its forebear, and additional roller bearings to provide a smoother actuation. In use the levers certainly feel the benefit; there’s a lighter action, while retaining the same smooth and solid precision of recent Hope brakes. Adjustment is easy and plentiful thanks to two detented dials, one to adjust reach, and a second to adjust the bite point. Although initial impressions were of fragility when we first reviewed the V2 back in 2009 these adjusters have proven remarkably tough, despite numerous crashes, and four years of solid riding on them so with the design unchanged we expect these to be no different. The blade itself is spring loaded and totally separate from the master cylinder so the piston can’t be popped out or damaged in a crash.


V4 Caliper
In keeping with the rest of the Hope range the V4 caliper is machined from a single piece of aluminium to produce a one piece caliper that avoids the need for bolts to hold it all together. It’s more complicated than a two piece design but the result is a simpler caliper that for a given weight is stiffer, or for a given stiffness, lighter. It’s a technique employed on many high end motorsport brakes and is seen on some of the high end brakes from Shimano and Formula too. As with the outgoing V2 brake, the ‘V’ in V4 is a nod to the complex vented rotor Hope offer. It’s thicker than normal, and so an option only on these two compatible calipers. Moving from the old twin piston caliper to quad piston brings shallower pad depth but increased pad surface area, and also ensures that all Hope rotors are now interchangeable between all of their brakes. Four pistons also improves modulation by reducing the leading edge area of the pad, something Hope have further capitalised on by utilising differing piston sizes. This means that one set of the phenolic pistons moves faster than the other, pushing one end of the pad onto the rotor earlier than the other and bringing full power in with greater control. In the case of the V4, the smaller piston is 14mm and borrowed from the all mountain M4 brake, while the larger is a bespoke 16mm item. The shallower pad depth also reduces leverage on the caliper when in use, reducing flex that can detract from the feel and control available at the lever. Visually, one of the most striking features of the caliper is the heavy fluting on its outer surfaces. The increased surface area this creates enables greater heat transfer from the caliper to the surrounding air. Every little keeping temperatures in check under extreme use. There’s also a one way bleed valve to make for an easier flush of the system without introducing air, while the rotatable hose banjo is now inboard of the disc which both reduces the risk of damage when shuttling, and allows cleaner cable routing on the current crop of bikes.


Rotors
The rotors seen here are standard floating items but as mentioned briefly earlier on, the calipers are designed to also accommodate Hopes vented rotors which were originally introduced alongside the first V2 in 2007. These use three sheets of steel to produce; two to form the braking surfaces and another spider-like disc sandwiched between the outer two that’s cut to create the vents. It’s similar to the design Shimano originally employed in early days of the original XT disc prototypes to create a disc better capable of dissipating heat away from the caliper. However, they’re significantly heavier, which goes a long way to negate the lightening going on elsewhere in the system, and for all but the most brake dragging of riders they’re pretty much superfluous. Given all this we elected to go for the standard rotors which will be chosen by the majority of riders; 203mm floating, but non-vented. Looking carefully at these you will see that they contain several ground down sections with hard edges that help to keep the pads clean of grit and dirt build up when riding in filthy conditions. To say whether they definitely work or not would need an identical pair without the cleaning sections but we certainly didn’t have any problems in winter conditions. Uprated braided hoses are standard, as is the full complement of titanium hardware on this black anodised Stealth edition.


Performance
As we had these fitted to several bikes over the course of a few months the V4 proved easy to set up and get comfortable with. This was helped by the high quality finishing of both the adaptors and calipers, discs which remain virtually impervious to heat warping, and copious adjustment to both reach and bite of the brake at the levers. It’s worth noting that of all the brakes out there on the market, the Hope Tech lever seems to be one of the very best for riders with small hands. It allows for the independent adjustment of reach and bite, and thanks to this the brake can be set with the lever very close to the bar for easy reach. It also retains full power and a positive feel even when run this close to the bar, something that other brakes have been known to struggle with. We were supplied with both sintered and organic pads to test although given the weather recently we ran the sintered for the majority of the time. This is the same compound as used in the rest of their range and the pads are incredibly hard wearing while providing great feel and control to enable easy modulation of the power. Bite is firm but beyond the initial contact of pad to disc there’s a wealth of control available; the V4 is certainly no on/off switch. Comparing the brake directly to the new Saint, as many others are also likely to do, there feels to be similar power and control but the way in which they go about providing this is certainly different.

Where the Saint could be described as slightly soft around the bite point, the Hope much more positive, although not as good as the outgoing V2. This is normal on brakes where the pistons are of differing sizes as the pad doesn’t make perfectly square contact with the rotor initially. Beyond that initial bite though and there’s little further movement available from the Hope lever, the modulation instead coming from altering the pressure on the lever from your fingers. Having been a long-time fan of Hope brakes it would be easy to say that the Hope is better, but that avoids the subtleties. All the top brakes work very well on the trail and that’s what we’re testing here; dyno figures are all very interesting but they don’t count for anything if the end result is a product that doesn’t instil confidence. The Hope feel is powerful, controllable, and gives very precise feedback to what the brake is doing, relative to braking effort. Subtle changes around the point of locking enables a rider to maximise their control of the bike, a must in greasy conditions, and the intuitive nature of this means its very easy to get used to them.

Fitting
There isn’t much to fitting brakes now, the whole process taking less than half an hour, including aligning everything to sit square. Fair enough it can perhaps add a little time should you need to face your frame or fork mounts, but assuming that’s already been done it really is pretty straightforward. In the case of these V4’s we were given everything we needed to bolt them straight onto our chosen bike, with the exception of a little copper paste to apply to the titanium bolts to prevent them seizing. The only potential headache that can really befall a rider looking to install their newly purchased brakes is internal cable routing which seems to be a more and more popular way for manufacturers to keep clean lines on their bikes. However, this does mean needing to split the brake so you can feed the hose through the frame, and that also means the possible need to bleed your brakes once they’re bolted back together. Luckily, Hope have one of the most intuitive systems out there that does away with the need for a syringe, not that you can’t also use one. This means that no matter where you are, as long as you have some fluid, you can bleed your brakes.

Reliability

Although six months is perhaps not enough time to test the ultimate reliability, we certainly haven’t encountered any issues to cause us grief. Our past experience of the other brakes in this range, using the same Tech Evo lever, also backs this up. They can take crashes, abuse, hideous conditions, and yet still work consistently and reliably throughout. The organic pads offer great performance but our favourites are definitely the sintered which work well in all conditions, provide marginally more modulation, and also last significantly longer. In those six months of use, nothing has seized up, grown sticky, or done anything but perform flawlessly. In fact, the only potential point which we have a slight concern of is based on our experience of the older V series brakes where the pads would occasionally wear unevenly. We eventually traced this to the calipers' extra width, intended to fit the vented rotors that Hope offer. It seemed that those riders running the vented rotors had no issues with uneven pad wear, but those using the standard rotors did, and it appeared to come from the extra distance that the pistons were having to move to take up the difference in rotor thickness. In essence, they were moving further from the supportive seal and then twisting under load, causing uneven pressure on the pad, and therefore uneven wear. On the V4 the issue doesn’t seem nearly so prevalant and this is possibly down to the differing piston sizes, as well as the longer pad transferring less torque to the pistons when in use. It’s something we’ll be continuing to monitor but in six months of use any uneveness is negligible, and as we’re still on the original pads - that’s pretty impressive.

Kidland 2013. Copyright Ian MacLennan 2013.

Pinkbike's take:
bigquotes As a top end gravity brake the V4 is a compelling choice; it's tough, fully re-buildable from the ground up, and while not as light as some of its competition, has shed significant weight over its predecessor. Throughout our time with it we tested it in a variety of conditions, on several bikes, and always felt confident in its abilities thanks to the copious yet easily controlled power on offer. Without running the brake on a dyno it is of course hard to say as to whether it is the absolute most powerful brake out there, but in subjective terms, it's right up there. And that is of course the most important aspect of any component such as this. Feel is very subjective, and what one rider loves, another can hate for the exact same trait. The only aspect which we feel could be improved upon is the vented rotor. It's heavy, and for the vast majority of users, not worth the extra expense. It also seems to compromise the brake as the pads have a tendency wear unevenly if you don't keep them centralised on the rotor. It was a more significant problem on the older V2 with their shorter pads, but as the pistons still sit further out from the seals on the V4, even with the longer pads, there is still the opportunity for uneven wear. That aside, they're a great brake, and a definite favourite. - Alasdair MacLennan

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155 Comments

  • + 191
 Lets Hope they work
  • + 56
 And get cheaper.
  • + 130
 Let's put the brakes on the puns before they spin out of control.
  • - 83
flag prenderville (Jun 26, 2013 at 0:47) (Below Threshold)
 My tech lever cracked and they cook the oil in no time atall !!!
  • + 127
 Not sure everyone here's a big fan of these puns ...could cause some friction.
  • + 59
 We need to stop this right now.
  • + 132
 yeah, give me a brake.
  • + 37
 Cheesy . I'm at biting point :-)
  • + 49
 My heart bleeds for anyone using anything else
  • - 34
flag superbikes (Jun 26, 2013 at 2:22) (Below Threshold)
 STOPED !! :-)
  • + 63
 This could drag on...
  • + 16
 All a bunch of HOSE !! :-)
  • + 33
 I'll just pad these puns out a little
  • + 12
 My experience with these brakes was Hope[less] Frown
  • - 39
flag superbikes (Jun 26, 2013 at 2:44) (Below Threshold)
 Gota love wet oily nipples :-) Scraping the barrel now lol
  • + 47
 I'd feel V.4tunate if I was running these brakes.
  • + 124
 The quality of these puns is piston me off
  • + 28
 These puns are horrible. All Hope is lost
  • - 12
flag d0c0ne (Jun 26, 2013 at 4:41) (Below Threshold)
 hoping not to see brake lights on this
  • + 8
 dhftw1231 look what you've unleashed
  • + 1
 Haha yeah man a crazy pun battle
  • - 9
flag superbikes (Jun 26, 2013 at 5:29) (Below Threshold)
 Get back to work if your on the rotor lol
  • + 9
 This is what makes mountain bikers so awesome.
  • - 9
flag qman11 (Jun 26, 2013 at 6:05) (Below Threshold)
 hope the levers arent sharp, cuz after seeing that pic on here of the hope lever that went through someones hand, not so sure id want them haha
  • - 5
flag wakaba (Jun 26, 2013 at 6:12) (Below Threshold)
 Brakedive for cover.
  • - 7
flag longlander (Jun 26, 2013 at 6:17) (Below Threshold)
 obi wan kenobi you're our only hope!
  • + 6
 Leaver it out will you?
  • - 4
flag MortifiedPenguin (Jun 26, 2013 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 C-C-C-C-C-C-Combo breaker!
  • - 2
 Damn, looks like someone finally put the brakes on this pun chain.
  • + 3
 I can't stop laughing.
  • + 17
 ^he's a saint.
  • - 5
flag superbikes (Jun 26, 2013 at 9:42) (Below Threshold)
 NO HOPE :-)
  • - 4
flag broganshayes2010 (Jun 26, 2013 at 9:44) (Below Threshold)
 You push be on the brake all the time because I don't have any problems with my brakes
  • - 5
flag krashDH85 (Jun 26, 2013 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like Hope is gaining leverage.
  • + 12
 This chain of puns could use a healing Elixir.
  • + 5
 It looks as though it hasn't boiled over after all.
  • + 0
 If these puns keep rolling in, things might get a little heated
  • + 9
 The next guy who uses italics I swear I'm gonna squeeze them until they bleed. Absolutely needs to stop.
  • - 5
flag megatryn (Jun 26, 2013 at 13:52) (Below Threshold)
 Things are definitely getting heated here. It's best we slow down to a stop, so that we don't do an endo and hurt ourselves before we get some leverage on this case. Better yet, bring a pair to my pad and I'll put a stop to these revolving issues.
  • + 0
 it's like you guys are speaking in Codes! then again if I just drank my Elixir Formula this wouldn't be happening, anyway Hope you all find a Matchmaker soon.... k im done, guess this day just wasn't The One
  • - 4
flag ejmoto (Jun 26, 2013 at 16:23) (Below Threshold)
 Kinda hard/scary to purchase their stuff for my bike....I Hope it works(?)
  • + 4
 The man addicted to brake fluid said he could stop any time
  • + 5
 I'm sure someone can lever another pun out?
  • + 7
 These puns for sure will fade
  • + 2
 Sure is a lot of friction going on here
  • + 3
 Stop, lets just put a cap on this bore.
  • + 4
 nahh lets keep this bleeding. .
  • + 2
 We need to control the reach of the crowd that this gets to
  • + 1
 no we dont need to brake now.. especially on crowd control !
  • + 11
 I think we're bleeding this joke dry. We're not at the same calibper as where we started. Disc can't go on much longer.
  • + 1
 the v4 wasnt what i hoped for
  • + 1
 You guys are seriously warped
  • + 1
 What ever flouts your bout :-)
  • + 28
 It's all about the lever feel for me with Hope brakes. I've had some Formula The Ones as well and although the performance was brilliant as you'd expect, the solid and sturdy feel of the hope levers is pretty unique in my opinion. I think these days (as with most high end bikes) it's hard to buy a bad component and in the end the decision comes down to personal preference.
  • - 23
flag wuzupjosh (Jun 26, 2013 at 0:44) (Below Threshold)
 they feel so fake and under finger they have alot of pivoting left to right depending how you swt them up
  • - 6
flag stewartluxton (Jun 26, 2013 at 1:31) (Below Threshold)
 my V2s levers are pretty bent, they still work but I certainly wouldnt call them "solid and sturdy".....more "bendy and curly"!
the brakes themselves are OK if you use Hope brake fluid and keep them reguarly serviced, maybe the V4s are more reliable with less hassle, we will see
  • + 7
 I agree. Hope levers feel great. I switched from Hope to XTR and the XTR are amazing but the Hope lever feel was just there!

(Super happy with the XTR but miss them for sure).
  • + 8
 Funny, i'm about to do the opposite. Getting shot of my XTR's for a set of these, i have V2's on my XC bike and the lever feel is so much better than the shimanos.
  • + 9
 V2s on an XC bike ? sounds a bit too much don't you think? Big Grin
  • + 8
 Well, more of an all mountain hardtail to be honest, but its got a full hope build on it, and i prefer reliable parts to the most lightweight.
  • + 0
 Fair enough, I've got these on my Orange Five haha Big Grin
  • - 10
flag novajustin (Jun 26, 2013 at 7:43) (Below Threshold)
 These puns are so warped.
  • + 1
 I have a set of Tech M4's on my "xc" bike, a Lenz Sport Leviathan, and because I have to use less effort over a 50+ mile ride my hands don't get sore over time as they have with other brakes. Between my Formula R1/RX on one bike (Canfield Yelli Screamy) and my Hope Tech M4's on my XC machine, I can't really say I like one more than the other as they both feel great.
  • + 1
 formulas are good but only for dj unless you buy the RO 's than you have to bend the levers for them to be close enough to your hand
  • + 2
 @wuzu you tried bending them ? did you have to heat them or something ? because yeah, tried them, couldn't get them close enough and it was dangerous ...
  • + 2
 @Wuzopjosh @ Ploutre: I've also got a set of the Formula RO's on test at the moment and that's the exact problem I've had with them although installing the FCS adjuster has helped massively. It was the same when we had the R1's a while ago, you just couldn't get the lever to bite close enough to the bar.
  • + 1
 yeah my V2 levers bent, but I bent them back, my formula RX levers bent, I bent them back, they still work lol
  • + 22
 I have always liked Hope brakes. They are expensive but so well made.
  • + 15
 Hope make them, what more can i say! Fantastic quality, the worlds best backup. These are an investment and will out last anything. just ask the people with the first gen disc brakes that are still going strong. Hope for the win! and.... made in the UK!!!!
  • + 3
 I still have a 2001 XC4 in my garage that works a treat! Cannot beat them for quality.
  • + 14
 Hope brakes ar not that expensive compared to other high end brakes. And the brake pads seem to live forever. The unique lever feeling instead of the most on off brakes is unbeatable. And all parts are available separately for years. And when it's out off stock, they make it for you. I recently bought a pair of hope brakes that are almost 15 years old and after a quick service they work perfectly! For me only hope!!
  • + 14
 Hope V4's are cheaper than Saints, what are you all whining about? I've been on the V2's for a few years, vented rotors and all, best brakes ever. Yes a little heavy but its fine on a DH bike where the extra power and lack of fade on long runs (ever ridden Smitty Steeps?) is impressive. I will never run anything else, they were a game changer for me.
  • + 5
 Have recently tried these and love everything about them. My new Fury came with formula The Ones, and the hopes and formulas work so much better than codes its sad. Have magura freerides and shimano zees as well on my all mountain bikes and they work pretty well as well. I think its odd how much people vary with what they like. Personally, after using elixirs for years, and codes for a few months, I don't think I'd use Avid if they were free
  • + 3
 Funny how far behind Avid are now. They stuck a rocket up the scene in 2005 but they've shit the bed at this point.
  • + 7
 I was unsure about buying these ones ....Hope Stealth Tech X2 EVO ?......... But after reading this I'm going to buy buy buy :-)
  • + 2
 You won't be sorry. They're exactly the brakes I have. Just note that the X2 is more for the classic 5-6 inch trail bike. As long as that's the type of bike you're putting them on they're plenty powerful.
I recently upgraded from the non-Evo X2 and the power improvement is huge. I'd say even greater than the 15% that Hope claims.
Love the Stealth black, too.
  • + 1
 Thanks ( jon123rjk ) yep ill be useing them on a 160 travel bike I'm a little bit confused on the rotors throw . I already have the hope saw rotors but they say they are for hope mini / m4 . I've looked at the X2 saw rotor and they look the same to me ?? Don't wont to buy new rotors when I have hope flouting saw ones already . Also did you get the ones with standard hose or braided hose ? Cheers
  • + 1
 I'd get them for sure. I have a set of the original Tech X2's that are 3 years old or so. No issues ever in year round riding, ice, heat, rain, dry, dusty... Anyway, I have a new bike with the an EVO M4 front, 183mm and an EVO X2 rear, 160mm. I have ridden them for a year, they have a bit more power than the old X2. The lever feel is smoother. I went with the M4 front, because I weigh about 250lbs, but I never had an issue with the old X2's, I probably could have used an EVO X2 front, but the M4 was on sale, $10 more. I have the braided hose on each set, no problems, easy to shorten if need be. Easy to bleed (shortened hose) is something you need to try to believe, why I had to use bottles and hoses and suringes in the past, idk... The sintered brake pads do work better in constant wet riding and found that really dusty stuff, organics are better. Organics come stock.

Oh rotors, I used an old 200mm Hope Gothic rotor for the first six months on the X2's... Tons of power, but bought Hope hubs and matching floating rotors (sold as mini/M4 rotors, btw). I'm pretty sure, as long as you clean your rotors good and properly bed the pads and rotors (takes 20 or so minutes of riding around on dry streets) you can use about any rotor except for maybe Avid's mechanical bb5-bb7 rotors, no cooling slots. You could, if your completely comfortable doing this, you could lightly sand the old rotors with fine sand paper. 600 grit or higher. Your just removing old brake pad material, nothing more. Not making them shiney, just a light rub..
  • + 0
 Brill ( oldschool43 ) great info . I'm old school to and always use sandpaper on my rotors when I change the pads it works great . I'm also clear on pads as I've ordered the enduro pads I think from read ups they will be good for uk weather WET :-) . Yep I'm going to order them with braided hose why not its cheaper than buying slandered then buying braided £12 more each for braided compared to standard hose . Cheers
  • + 2
 I also bought the Hope Stealth Tech X2 EVO two months ago and absolutely recommend them! They work very good with my Formula Discs, maybe I'll give the Hope floating discs a try... the good old technique with the sand paper works also very good Wink
Oh, I forgot to mention that I, after first fitting them to my Mega, understood the term "positive lever feel" for the first time Smile
  • + 2
 Yeahhh just got my hope tech stealth X2s . Bloody fantastic brake work straight out the box spot on lever feel just what I wanted . I had no hope now I do :-)
  • + 5
 i sold my tech m4's for a set of these, about 6 months ago. a good swap!
the lever feel, and power is unreal, and they have a lot more modulation than saints (which are like a switch!)
like the review says, pad life is amazing and they are easy to set up.

i have always run hopes on all my bikes, (about 9 pairs in total) and i have never had an unreliable set.

easy to bleed and every part is available if you need it.

good god, i have just gone off on one about brakes, but they are impressive as well as beautifully made things.
  • + 8
 This brake is one sexy bit**
  • + 4
 Hope brakes seem to do EVERYTHING so well. Where other brakes always have a failing or two, Hope seem to have none:
The feel (actual feel of the lever as well as the feedback from the trail) and modulation are incredible. Easy to set up and no brake drag. Seldom need bleeding and super easy to do when needed. Parts are readily available. And look they incredible.
I always wonder why Hope brakes are not more common (at least here in North America).
  • + 4
 one time i went out of controll an smashed my left hand still on the bars into a tree... pretty sure the hope tech lever did a damn good job saving me from some broken finger. AND did'nt break or budge at all totlay tunable for hard or soft modulation effortless single finger power, so much i need to dail the pads all the way out for DH best brakes out there
  • + 3
 I run the Evo M4 on the front of my AM bike. It rocks!

And on top of that, Hope is making brakes exactly they way people should be making brakes for mountain bikes. I come from motorcycles and in that world you are able to rebuild everything and most of the stuff had some degree of adjustability. It didn't feel like flimsy plastic either.

And considering how much you spend on a bike, it's perfectly reasonable that the brakes be completely rebuildable no?

Compared to the Code R's on my DH bike, which are good, the Hope Evo's and the new lever setup is far superior by a longshot.
  • + 3
 I've had V2's and currently have both Saint M810's and Hope V4's. The saints have loads of power but very little modulation and are either on or off and can sometimes throw you forward on the bike if you have been riding XC a lot then switch bikes. However are still great brakes. The V4's are totally different. The calipers are nearly twice the width and look amazing. Personally I prefer the silver ones. The power is awesome but probably no more than the saints. The real difference is with the modulation, you simply get on the bike and ride it without noticing the brakes. They just blend into the ride and make a it a great experience so you can concentrate on flow and enjoying yourself without having to think about anything.
  • + 3
 Ive had three sessions on mine. First two were worst case...ran thru an unexpected three foot deep (meter) creek with mud. Second ride was in pouring rain. Third was just a dry 8 hour day. The V4s held up nicely, no fade/drag/noise. Best investment on my nicolai M-pire. Hope for life.
  • + 3
 I've been running a set of M4's on my XC bike for years - best brakes ever! Zero maintanance, pads last forever, never ever fade, lever feel is amazing.... my new downhill rig has Avids and they're an absolute joke compared to my Hopes!
  • + 3
 Replaced my codes with Hope V-4's this year. Hands down the best brakes I have ever used. The control and feel of these are unbelievable. I think they might bury these with me when I die.
  • + 2
 Would love to see a side by side comparison of these babies, the new Saint brakes and the RO's - had the M4 with the evo tech lever, and feel of quality was second to none!!! Great brakes indeed!!! Only problem I had was they seemed to loose a tiny bit of pressure. So far it seems that none of the brakes out there ain't really up for the test, eventhough the M4' is pretty close!! Give me a brake that delivers great power and modulation without loosing pressure, and without giving me a weight penalty!! Reliable brakes that keep on working thanks!!
  • + 2
 We should be able to arrange that. we've got the RO's on test already and have had a lot of time on bikes with the Saints too.
  • + 5
 I recently brought a set of M4 stealths for my Five. Loads of power and a great feel. Also look awesome.
  • + 2
 Love my Tech M4s! I do like the Union Jack res caps better (look amazing on my bike). Great grip, feel and so damn good looking. My levers have bent on a few crashes but with careful effort was able to get them back, otherwise no issues. I'm a larger beast and my Hopes never fail. You guys are awesome. I'd love to see you at Sea Otter.
  • + 4
 I've always had good experiences with HOPE brakes. My brake choice for life.
  • + 2
 I have just got a set and man visually they are amazing. The quality and finish is like nothing i have seen. Shop around i got a great deal online only ended up $50 more than codes and you get a spare set of pads with them.
  • + 1
 Maybe the discs are interchangeable as of the V4 calliper, but there was a visual difference on brake pad wear with the V2 disc and the M4 in the past. So I wonder if the results could possibly be even better with the V2 regular or vented disc. In my believe it would.
  • + 3
 Hope mono 6 ti break are killer! I ride em and no complaints here.. I couldn't be more impressed!
  • + 4
 best brakes ive ever ridden much better than sh*tmano in my eyes
  • + 4
 want them..... stealth mode...
  • + 0
 I disagree with hope being easier to bleed. They are a PITA. They look amazing, the feel is good, but I had to bleed my m4's too often and although you can adjust the tech levers closer to the bar, they didn't feel half as good as when you have them adjusted further away due to the lever pivot point. So I've changed to the easier to bleed, shorter lever'ed xtr brakes.
  • + 4
 hope v2 is the best brake in the world
  • + 2
 I have v2 and yes they amazing. But v4 actually not worse than v2.
  • + 1
 V4 is better than V2 Wink
  • + 2
 You can expect nothing but brilliance from Hope and also made in the UK which nowadays you cant say very often. (apart from Orange)
  • + 5
 Best brakes ever!
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 Ditto!
  • + 2
 So what I thought was just pretty machine marks turns out to be semi cooling fins. Im even more impressed.
Is the extra around the top mount hole to prevent some flex?
  • + 4
 best brake ever! Loving mine
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 Would like a pair of those although the brakes I have a still good even though they touch the bar
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 I have the rotors, they're AWESOME
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 3 years of DH on my V2's Never an issue No Complaints
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 Hope has come a long way but still seeing lots of people in the parking lot with hope related brake issues while I clocking runs with my maguras. Those steel hoses are new this year, saw one get shredded last year because it wasn't braided hose. Sometimes it seems like the problems are coming from the lever/master cylinder area. Hope always look real good but I trust my life with german technology-magura.
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 Braided hose has been available since the late 90s from Hope. But, they also offer non-braided for those that want a lighter option. Never had an issue with Hopes and I've run it all.
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 Same Ive had my v2's with braided hoses for three years now never had an issue with them not one and they work like the day I bought them. They might be expensive but by the time youve messed around with other brakes you will have the same money in them as just buying hopes in the first place.
  • + 0
 Have to get the braided hoses. Some people go cheap and they having the problems with snapped lines etc. It depends where you riding also. Come to Plattekill and tell me if your hopes are pumping up lol. They def good brakes I've just seen alot of people with over heating issues, but only at Plattekill-the gnarliest spot on earth.
  • + 1
 That maybe true I can only go by my experience which is mostly bike parks in the uk I doubt they are as gnarly as some of the spots you have over there, however we do have some extremely crap weather over here and my hopes just keep on running Ive ridden in deep mud/heavy rain been caught in thunderstorms and even snow and they have worked spot on. I have avids on my AM/XC bike and the difference between the hopes and my avids is night and day. I am not saying there the best brakes ever as I have only ridden hope and avid but they are very good imo and the machining from an engineering stand point on the calipers and levers is excellent.
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 Ya we starting to get the wet weather like uk but you guys def have it worse with the mud, which tends to pump up the calipers faster. Theres gnarly riding everywhere this one spot we go-plattekill just happens to be extra gnarly. Hope always have the best looking levers/calipers, great machine work. I wish I could run hope lever on my gustav calipers. The gustavs dont care about any conditions lol, we go wet, dry, snow, all good plus goodrich braided lines, last forever unless you have serious crash or something. I havent even bled my gustavs since putting goodrich lines in 7 years ago. Still work awesome, just change pads once a year.
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 Did you just make that up? Honestly you want me to believe there's a parking lot out there full of riders with broken hope brakes. You're talking out of you're arse mate. I've had my v2 since 2008 and there stupidly good I've only changed the pads three times. Bled twice.
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 Why would I make it up. My personal friends have had pump up issues with the hopes so what you talkin bout fooooul. We a tight community over here. When someone shreds a line or decides a certain brake having issues we all hear about it quick. If your running smooth race tracks not an issue. Come to plattekill mountain ny and see how you like those hopes lol hope they work.
  • + 1
 I don't believe you. I've ridden my v2's to the point where you can smell them at the bottom and the rotors are pinging due to the floating rotors expanding and contracting and never once experienced pump up or fade infact they seem to work better when hot and everyone I knows the same and I live 30 mins away from the hope factory so anybody not running stock avids are on hopes. Champion magura or any other product you trust and believe in but don't make up storys about other products to validate you're point.
  • - 3
 Listen little boy go ride, eat your hope brakes for lunch I dont give a flying british teabagg about it. My experience is already confirmed by pro riders.
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 Clearly you do or else you wouldn't be getting all emotional which is ironic seeing you've just acused me of being a little boy. You should have just accepted you've been caught talking bullshit but instead you're talking about fictional pro riders. You're a joke mate.
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 These are to sick and I'm loving the lever and quad pistons!
  • + 13
 ie. the brakes....
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 Got these stealth babies myself, happy happy joy joy
  • + 1
 Once you go black, you never go back! Wink
  • + 2
 The main thing that turns me off is the use of dot fluid. Apart from that they look awesome.
  • + 2
 One benefit of the 5.1 dot fluid is it works great even in the cold -- perfect for our Canadian winters Smile
I've used my Hopes in -5C and below without any problems.
  • + 0
 What would you prefer???
  • + 3
 shimano mineral oil. It doesn't abosrb water, it doesn't eat away at the seals and it's not nearly as toxic as dot fluid when working with the brakes. People like to say that dot fluid has a higher boiling point but once it has absorbed a tiny amount of water, that boiling point drops down well below shimano's mineral oil.
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 Mineral oil is soooooo much more superior to dot for use on bikes
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 Even shimano doesn't agree with most of that....
  • + 2
 Yes, but since mineral oil does not absorb water, when the water boils at 100*c, you're going to get lever issues. Even with water absorbed by dot fluid, the boiling point of this mixture is still way above 100*c. Theoretically dot is superior due to this.

(Using xt m775s at the moment)
  • + 1
 I agree with you but you have to consider that water is much less likely to enter the mineral oil system in the first place.
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 It does not sound like a good idea to me, to let "a long-time fan of Hope " test Hope brakes.

I know some guys that rode these brakes and they all sold it, because they do not offer the brake power that other modern brakes offer. Compared to a Saint or Code brake, the Hope seems to have less power. I did not read anything about that in your test.
  • + 4
 The V2 "seem" to offer less braking power (because of the modulation you have) than say Saints or Code, but the power is there. But I've quickly tested some V4s and they do seem to be better than the V2 in this area.

I might actually change my V2s for a set of V4s as I can get them rather cheap ...
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 @Blackforest: I totally get what you're saying with that. However, as a rider first and foremost, I generally ride products long term that I want to ride, rather than because I'm testing them. That was very much the case with these V4's, hence the test being conducted over such a long duration (uncommon for a product review). I'd ridden a test pair briefly and was impressed enough to sort out a proper review with them. As I tried to make clear in the review all these brakes have a very similar power level, but what some people like, some people hate. I therefore did my best to give an idea of what that relative difference was between the products in terms of this feel. Where Formula RO's are the grabbiest, the Saint's marginally softer, and this slightly less grabby again. But that doesn't make them weak, they offer similar power, and a lot of the bite does seem to come from the pads - the difference in longevity between Formula and Hope is night and day; the Formula's disappear far quicker.

Everyone has their preferred products, but that doesn't mean objectivity can't be kept and an honest review written.
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 @blackforest I had 2 sets of saint and had problem after problem ditched for v2's and no problems at all just sold them and got these v4's and they are unreal I run m4's on my Xc bike and x2's on my jump bike I will never go back to shimano and avid I wouldn't have them if they were free they are absolute dog shit
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 V4, you're my only hope.
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 Hope Tech Evo's OWN!
  • + 0
 Always loved Hope brakes... Wish I could still use them but cant due to injury :c
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 Lindos
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 little big
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 Fck nice design, but before you ride with shimano Saint, you think hope brake works!!!
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