Trek Remedy 9 29 - Review

Sep 9, 2013
by Mike Levy  

Remedy 9 29

WORDS Mike Levy
PHOTOS Amy McDermid

Trek's Remedy lineup has long been one of our favourite do-it-all platforms, with the design seeing an evolutionary process over the years that saw things like ISCG tabs and the clever FOX DRCV Float shock added to keep the bike competitive throughout that time. The 2014 model year underwent a major shift in design, though, in the shape of 29'' wheels and an entirely new aluminum frame, changes that essentially created a completely new machine that only shares the original bike's name and, hopefully, its spirit. Sure, there is slightly less travel, with 140mm on offer (the 26'' versions have always run 150mm), but the suspension layout retains a very similar appearance, with Trek's ABP, Full Floater, and DRCV shock technology utilized. But does this new bike still preserve the 26'' version's versatile personality, or have the bigger wheels tamed some of zest that was easy to find aboard the previous iterations? We're in a somewhat unique position in that we have spent considerable amounts of time on every version of the Remedy before it, riding everything from lift accessed bike park trails to IMBA epics on a regular basis, allowing us to find out if the $4,729.99 USD Remedy 9 29 is a step in the right direction.

Remedy 9 29 Details

• Intended use: all-mountain/enduro
• Rear wheel travel: 140mm
• Wheel size: 29''
• Aluminum frame
• ABP and Full Floater suspension
• FOX DRCV CTD shock
• ISCG chain guide tabs
• Internal dropper post and derailleur routing
• E2 tapered head tube
• 'Mino Link' adjustable geometry
• Weight: 30.7LB
• MSRP: $4,729.99 USD

Frame Details

The Remedy 9 29 is assembled around the same aluminum frame that Trek uses for the other two 29"-wheeled Remedy models, and it is much curvier than what we've seen of previous versions of the bike. An "S" shaped down tube allows for both front wheel and suspension clearance, and it meets the top tube a good eight inches back from the bike's E2 tapered head tube. There is plenty of stand over clearance thanks to the downward slope of the top tube, and a short section supports the seat tube. The bike's seat tube curves at the rocker arm pivot, meaning that a standard seat post might not lower enough for some riders, although this isn't an issue with the Reverb Stealth seat post that the bike comes stock with (not many will use this bike without a dropper post anyways, will they?)

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  Trek uses their E2 tapered head tube up front (left), and the frame features internal cable routing for both the front and rear shift lines (middle). Although usually reserved for carbon frames, the Remedy sports some serious down tube protection to avoid dents caused by flying rocks

Cable routing is a mix of internal and external, with the shift housing being run through both the down tube and the drive side chain stay for the rear derailleur, and within the top tube and out for the front. The rear brake line is external from front to back, which makes sense as not many riders actually enjoy removing a brake line and performing a bleed, and the Reverb Stealth's line is run along the top side of the down tube until it enters the frame just above the bottom bracket junction and ISCG chain guide tabs. The result isn't the absolute cleanest, but it is also far from looking cluttered.

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  The Remedy 29 platform sports 140mm of travel, 10mm less than the 26''-wheeled version, although the layout remains unchanged.

The Tech

• ABP Convert: Trek has been using their Active Braking Pivot on the Remedy for many seasons now, and the 2014 Remedy 29 employs their latest ABP Convert system. The design allows the dropout pivot to rotate concentrically around the rear axle, limiting the amount of rotation between the caliper and rotor, which Trek says helps to keep the suspension working better regardless of if the rider is on the brakes. The 'Convert' signifies that the pivot hardware is easily interchangeable to allow for both 12 x 142mm axles and standard 135mm quick release rear wheels.

• Full Floater: Attaching the bike's FOX DRCV CTD shock to an extension off the front of the chain stays rather than a fixed position on the front triangle isn't a new concept, but it is one that Trek has employed for a number of years on everything from their Session downhill race machine to the shorter travel Fuel trail bike. Trek says that doing so allows the shock to ''better respond to bumps across a wide variety of terrain,'' which
is a simple way of saying that the arrangement gives them more opportunity to tune how the shock performs throughout its stroke by altering the leverage from both ends. They aren't the first to employ such a layout, but they have used it for a number of years on most of their high-end full suspension bikes, which should mean that they have been able to tune it exactly to their liking.

• DRCV: Trek's proprietary rear shock technology, developed with the help of FOX. The 'DR' stands for Dual Rate, with the shock's two different air chambers providing two different rates depending on where the shock is at in its stroke. Connecting the two chambers is a plunger, or valve, that opens the airway between the two at a predetermined point in the travel. The plunger is referred to as the control valve, or the 'CV' in DRCV. The goal is to be able to have your cake and eat it too, by having a lively but firm spring to push against that is provided by the main chamber while also benefiting from the secondary chamber's ability to add a more linear and forgiving end to the stroke.

Release Date 2014
Price $4729.99
Travel 140
Rear Shock Fox Performance Series Float w/DRCV, CTD
Fork Fox Factory Series 34 Float w/CTD, 140mm
Headset FSA NO.57E, E2, sealed bearings
Cassette Shimano Deore XT 11-36, 10 speed
Crankarms Shimano Deore XT, 38/24
Bottom Bracket Shimano XT
Rear Derailleur Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus
Front Derailleur Shimano Deore XT, high direct mount
Shifter Pods Shimano Deore XT, 10 speed
Handlebar Bontrager Race Lite Low Riser, 31.8mm, 5mm rise
Stem Bontrager Rhythm Pro, 31.8mm, 7 degree
Grips Bontrager Rhythm, dual lock-on
Brakes Shimano Deore XT hydraulic disc
Wheelset Bontrager Rhythm Elite Tubeless Ready 28-hole disc wheel system, 15mm front hub, 142x12mm rear hub
Tires Bontrager XR3 Team Issue Tubeless Ready, aramid bead, 29x2.30"
Seat Bontrager Evoke 2, chromoly rails
Seatpost RockShox Reverb Stealth, 31.6mm
Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid

Riding the

bigquotesMore supple and active off the top than any air-sprung, 140mm travel bike has a right to be, the DRCV shock did a great job of both helping the rear tire dig for traction and muting a lot of the otherwise teeth rattling chatter. And although the bike has 10mm less travel, it actually felt more forgiving than the 150mm travel 26" version that came before it, proving that it isn't the amount, but both the quality of the travel and the overall package that counts.

Climbing/acceleration: Ask the average mountain biker what his thoughts on 29ers are and most will likely mention something about them making tricky climbs easier, even if they are dead set against the idea of a big wheeler. This much is fact, especially when talking about the Remedy 9 29, although not in the way that 29ers usually excel on climbs. While the chrome bike can hold its own on slow, technical pitches (more on that later), it is how the bike can literally be thrown at the steepest of walls and manage to pull it off. There isn't much strategy required, and both bad form and bad lines couldn't keep the bike from cresting some rather sketchy bits of trail, the kind where you are just a little worried about falling backwards into the abyss if you were to stall out. Stretches of proper technical trail required a different approach, with the bike feeling a bit long when the speeds dropped and tight corners needed to be navigated, and although the Remedy 9 29 isn't a handful in such situations, it does take a committed rider to steer the bike up a climb that requires some real technical skill. Thankfully, while the bike's wheels felt quite far apart in these moments, its steering has enough sharpness to get it past most anything so long as you have the dedication to see it through, with dedication being the key word in that sentence. Get lazy and you could find yourself running out of real estate quicker than you expected, but steer with conviction, stay on the gas, and you'll move forward and upwards. This fact is aided by the bike's sticky Bontrager 29-4 Team Issue tires that, while not being a popular brand with riders who aren't in the know, do provide quite a bit of all-around traction. The bike's rear suspension proved to be quite active, cycling gently under load enough for us to flip the FOX shock's CTD lever to the 'Trail' setting anytime we felt like getting on the gas seriously, but there was still enough suspension action in this firmed up mode to provide plenty of comfort and traction when we could benefit from it.

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  While it can sometimes feel as if short, vertical walls aren't anything but a speed bump for the Remedy, carrying speed and planning key moves ahead of time is necessary in order to scale extended technical sections.

The Remedy 9 29 rides heavier than its 30 pound weight would suggest, which is the bike's biggest drawback when talking about climbing, and extended climbs were just that much less exciting aboard the bike. That's not to say that it is a bad climber, as it has some serious "I can get up that!" gusto that honestly surprised both us and onlookers, but it also just didn't feel as spry as we would like to see. With this in mind, our first upgrade would likely be a set of lightweight tires - terrain permitting - and a set of über-light 29er wheels. Shaving some weight from both would go a long way to adding some vigor to its ride. Our other complaint centers on how we sometimes brushed our knee on the right side shift cable housing when out of the saddle. It looks like the entry port for its internal routing sits quite far back from the head tube, likely the cause of the issue - not deal breaking, but it could be annoying.

Downhill: The Remedy's suspension and calm handling make it one of the best descending 29ers that we've ridden to date, and although the 140mm travel bike is far from being a park machine, we happily spent a few days in the Whistler Bike Park on it instead of grabbing a true downhill rig. That lift accessed riding accelerated our appreciation for just how dialled the Remedy's rear suspension actually is, a fact that can sometimes get a bit lost in the acronyms and marketing-speak that goes along with the design. More supple and active off the top than any air-sprung, 140mm travel bike has a right to be, the DRCV shock did a great job of both helping the rear tire dig for traction and muting a lot of the otherwise teeth rattling chatter. And although the bike has 10mm less travel, it actually felt more forgiving than the 150mm travel 26" version that came before it, proving that it isn't the amount, but both the quality of the travel and the overall package that counts. Of course, the larger wheels also factor in with how the first third of the 9 29's travel is a bit more tolerant of the terrain under it than its predecessor. With 140mm of travel and such a relatively supple early stroke, it wouldn't be out of line to expect the bike to struggle at the opposite end of its travel. This wasn't the case, though, with enough ramp up to keep us from coming to the end of FOX shock's stroke too abruptly.

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  The Remedy loves to corner, and the bike will reward commitment with more and more traction thanks to its great Bontrager 29-4 Team Issue tires and compliant suspension.

bigquotesComplementing the bike's suspension is its equally impressive handling, with a stable personality that feels as if it has your back when it comes to covering up your mistimed moves and bad form.

Ramping up the speed and aggression does little to make the silver bike jittery, an uncommon trait among bikes in its wheel size/travel class, and we have to say that we don't remember really attacking a trail on a 29er like we found ourselves doing frequently on the Remedy. No, the bike is not as agile as a 26"-wheeled machine of equal travel, and it did take a bit more effort to throw around, but the tradeoff is awe-inspiring calmness in the heat of battle. That is often the compromise, though, and an expert level rider will likely be able to swing a leg over the Remedy and have no troubles snapping it sideways or pumping the ground for speed.

That lack of nimbleness is the bike's only true drawback when gravity takes over, making for a bit of a laboured ride on machine-made trails that seem to be replacing good old fashioned natural terrain these days. And without a knotted mess of roots or ledgey rocks that would allow the bike's terrific suspension do its job, the Remedy is left to make its way down the trail like a child forced to colour within the lines. That's a bit of a shame, because we all know that letting it hang out is much more fun than taking the route well traveled. Maybe the issue boils down to the trails, not the bike? A discussion for another time, perhaps. We also couldn't seem to eliminate a faint clunk that emanated from the back of the bike when the brakes were first applied after pedalling, presumable from the ABP pivot hardware, although removing and re-installing all four pieces didn't put an end to it.

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  Roll or huck to flat? It's your call when aboard the Remedy, not an overly common thing to say about a 140mm travel bike.

Component Report

• Last season may have been an off-year for FOX, but they are back in 2014 with drastically improved suspension forks that both stay high in their travel and offer a good amount of small bump compliance. Gone is the wallowy and unsupportive feel of the '13 CTD FIT damper, and with it the excessively high air pressures that it required. The 34 Float CTD on the front of the Remedy 9 29 didn't give us a single reason to complain, with both enough ramp-up from the air spring and support from the revised damper to keep us happy regardless of how steep or hairy the terrain became. It is a bit of a shame that it took a year to get there but FOX listened and responded to rider feedback.

• The bike is spec'd with a RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper post and a set of Shimano's XT brakes, two of our favourite components. Unfortunately, the two in combination doesn't result in a user friendly setup, with the brake's reservoir preventing the Reverb's remote button from being positioned anywhere near where we'd like it - the angle is all wrong, making it difficult to depress the button, and no amount of fiddling resulted in a better setup.

• Yet again, Shimano's XT drivetrain was flawless and quiet throughout the test, not giving us a single reason to complain. And although a fit rider might prefer a single ring setup, the bike's 38/24 tooth chain ring combo makes a lot of sense for real-world riders who plan to put in some serious miles.

• The Bontrager name may not carry the same panache as Maxxis or Schwalbe, but the bottom line is that they make some damn good tires. Our bike came equipped with their new 29-4 Team Issue tubeless ready rubber, not the XR3 tires that come stock, and they performed consistently, with no hiccups that would have eroded our confidence, nor any flats during our time on the bike. They also seated quickly and easily (they came set up tubeless) on the Rhythm Elite tubeless ready wheelset, a good thing given both components' "tubeless ready" designation.

Trek Remedy 29 Photo by Amy McDermid
  Some of the best brakes and a great dropper post, although they don't play nice together on the handlebar (left). Trek can sometimes take heat for spec'ing their in-house Bontrager brand, but there is no denying that their 29-4 Team Issue tires (center) work well regardless of the name on their sidewalls, and the same can be said of the bike's Bontrager Evoke 2 seat.

Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesHow does the 2014 Remedy 9 29 compare to the previous 26"-wheeled version? It's pretty simple: given the choice, we would reach for the bike with the bigger wheels for every occasion. And yes, that includes technical "am I going to ride this out?" sort of moves. The new bike is very clearly more forgiving, despite sporting 10mm less travel all around, and its bigger wheels offer more traction, a potent combination. Yes, it has lost some of its lively temperament with the wheel size switch, but the 650B version that was recently announced might just be the ticket in that regards.- Mike Levy

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  • 89 4
 wheel racism is rife. so sad. just ride.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 4:25) (Below Threshold)
 Wheel racism? That's a big word man. How often do you use the word "hater"?
  • 88 7
 No you see people are insecure as a rule of thumb. It's just a universal truth. So anything that's different from what they personally like is an attack on them, or at least they see it as such. They won't accept that different people like different things. They will mock, shame, insult, and put down people who support (even if they don't participate) in something that they see as an assault on their own personal choices. They can't accept that there are other choices out there. They think that their choices are the only "correct" choices.

The most interesting thing about this entire ordeal is this:

Anyone notice who cares about wheel sizes and who doesn't? Those who ride 650b or 29" bikes don't care what wheel size you ride. They just want to ride what they want to ride and if you ride 26" wheels they say "come on, grab your bike, let's go ride!" Those who cling to their 26" wheels as if it's a life or death choice will tell you and your different wheel sizes to get the f*ck away from them and stay off their trails. They claim they just want to have fun, but all they do is bitch about what wheels someone is using. I don't see people who ride other wheel sizes acting like this (though on occasion some people do, let's be honest), and this whole thing is ridiculous.

The same thing happened when Carbon came out. People called it a scam, marketing hype, etc...etc...etc... Then people got over it. People will get over this too, because we all have to grow up some day.
  • 95 5
I don't always comment on pinkbike posts.......

But when I do, I write a novel.
  • 24 4
 Sorry, I'll dumb it down next time.
  • 13 2
 Lol actually, I do read your post! I find them well thought out and interesting
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 8:39) (Below Threshold)
 Yes Cyrix, Are you sure you talk of growing up or lowering the bar? I don't often complain on American Idol or Jersey Shore but it doesn't change the fact that those things TRULY ARE crap. I don't necessarily think that accepting those things is an act of growing up... anytime anyone would ask me about them I will say it is a stupid crap, although I know the longer those shows endure, the more people will tell me with "Project runway" competitor voice: "you're such a hater"

"Those who ride 650b or 29" bikes don't care what wheel size you ride" - what? Man you have some awesome peers then! You know how it looks like in most cases? "Owners of 650b and 29ers is like vegans or feminists - Wondering if it's one of them? - don't ask, they'll tell you!" Sure die hard 26ers it's the same, going with that "26 for life" or "MTB is only 26inch" bullshit. But the group truly not concerned about certain bike trends is very small. But again, maybe you live in some chilled-out heaven full of grown-ups. Or happy but poor people, who don't buy stuff too often, so they have nothing of new stuff to comment on. I am yet to find an individual who bought a recent bike and hasn't told about it to his friends. Or friends who haven't asked a lot about their buddys brand new bike. And guess what's really new on latest bikes? Make no mistake, I do like 29ers, and liked them before majority... grew up

In Evolution there are steps forward just like there are sidesteps which either grow or die, and it takes some years to say which ones are which. I see no unicorns around...
  • 32 3
 >Man you have some awesome peers then!

Yes, I do have awesome friends. Because I choose not to associate myself with childish jerks who think a wheel size defines your sexuality.
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 I was gonna compare it to segredation myself... choosing to let the new wheels be ridden instead of complaining about the old wheel size being all that was ever needed is like choosing to let the "coloureds" sit next to you on a bus in the south, or use the same drinking fountain as you, in 1950s/60s america. Or in canadian terms, anyone who's a quebec seperatist is like the 26ers or nothing crowd... they'll invoke the notwithstanding clause whenever a 29er or 650B option is presented to the masses instead of another 26er. Trying to deny the existence of other choices is like the then premiere parizeau, leader of the Parti Quebecquois, going on national television after they (the PQ) lost the last quebec referendum on seperation and blaming it on the "ethnic vote". Well GEE WHIZ Mr Wizard... when you and other quebec parties spend YEARS trying to attract every french speaking immigrant to our country, to come specifically to your province (to make up for all the english speaking quebecers you've driven away with basically overt racism towards them over the language they speak for decades), and they largely all happened to be various "ethnicities" from former french/belgium colonies, and they embrace the ideal of CANADA over those of just QUEBEC, what did you expect was gonna happen!?
  • 29 0
 OK when wheel size snobbery is being used in comparison to racial segregation you know this argument has ran it's course...
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 11:37) (Below Threshold)
 bigburd - are you riding 26" bikes like those immigrants?
  • 3 1
 Did the mod really just take out an entire thread because he didnt like it? Wow!!!
  • 7 4
 Not knowing what was just said that got deleted per say, but if it crossed a line then yes, that's what mods do....

If WAKI for example, said instead of "Are you riding 26" bikes like those immigrants" ...which is already at -10 prop and dropping... said something like mel gibson's anti-semetic rant fest 9 years ago (its been that long and people still hate him for it), then I'm sure a mod would step in to delete the comments lest they offend people of that religious persuasion. People on the internet often forget, that free speech as afforded by some constitutions and charters, doesn't apply on privately owned web forums. You only have the rights given to you in user agreements when you post on sites like pinkbike, mtbr, retrobike, etc.

(note the bit below I put the stars before and after)

My account got suspended; why did this happen?
We try to keep a family friendly website. Any user that disobeys the guidelines will be warned, or suspended. At we don't believe in first time bans; we will, however, suspend users at our own discretion. Why do people get suspended? Suspensions happen if a user is uploading inappropriate photos or videos, directly attacking any user, or ***** directly attacking our website. ***** If a user has been suspended multiple times, we reserve the right to ban the user.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 14:08) (Below Threshold)
 C'm on I was joking... and even if I weren't... I am fully allowed to joke on immigrants cuz I am one! I think this article goes to the hate books big time. And propping party is on the hunt, how can one spend so much time writing stuff is one thing, you're at least creative, but how can one spend so much time on pressing pluses and minuses. Hey pirate proppers, I could not care less, I've been through -300 or something in one post, and -1000 in total once, yet almost every single of my 270 or so "followers" added me him/herself, I pressed follow maybe 15 times. Ehehe online games. What would I be without my dearest adversary deeeight.

Big wheels are fun, really, to ride and to write about... uhh, such a shame because this Remedy looks like a really good bike and article is well written. Sorry Mike for screwing it up... in the beginning I tried everything possible to provide balanced point of view but how... what a mess
  • 1 0
 no. the top commenting thread when i came to check had all been deleted. maybe a browser issue as it is back now but it shure looked like it was gone.
  • 2 1
 Technically if you're not a native aboriginal or origin of the species (regardless of what colour skin might involve) in some colonized country (in modern times, not colonized when the continents were connected), then technically everyone someplace is an immigrant or descended from immigrants.

As to followers/following, I tend to hit ignore when I get new followers, and only follow site mods/editors/owners when they start following me and people I actually know locally.
  • 10 0
 WAKIdesigns, go change your manpon pal, nobody is interested in your drivel.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 14:35) (Below Threshold)
 no deeeight, I was speaking of much narrower meaning of "immigrant" - like a person who moved from one country to another from various reasons, like in order to earn more money than in his homeland. Polish immigrants is a very touchy subject in "Western" Europe... Oh look we have a plunderer of Aboriginal land joining in, @oriion, Crikey! he likes riding them big wheelie bikies, before he fires up a barbie
  • 6 0
 Mate, maybe i should "fire up a barbie", and feed you some delicious snag and onion sangas - then you would forget about who's riding what size wheels and just go outside and ride.
  • 7 0
 i could agree with that orion.. i have ridden 29ers, bb650 and 26ers. i like the 26ers. The advertising is making this an this or that argument not an either/or.... when my lbs calls it the future i alwas say they have a long way to go. when they give me a 650b to ride and try i almost feel obligated to say i like it... it has gotten wierd between me and my lbs and also me and some of the am guys i ride with sometimes...

here is my review from 3 bikes i rode this year.
terrian: double black AM with steep chutes - big rocks/roots - some tight corners
SC tallboy - Good on the rock chutes - shit on the corners. more rolls than jumps through the chutes. bike tended to take over and quick maneuvers not easy but a lot of time not necessary. When not in proper gear on climbing almost impossible to get it started again but once moving kept momentum. Also damaged a rim on the first time out but that maybe a fluke.
Rocky mountain Altitude: Not a lot of difference with the 26er. or maybe just a slight difference on the ground. noticed if you took off funny hard to correct in the air. not as responsive as i would like but not a horrible bike.
Yeti SB66 - this is one of the nicest bike i have ever been on. quick in the corners - climbed like a goat and so snappy. if you wanted to move the bike to avoid something on the trail like a sharp rock just a slight weight shift took care of it. Can pick the bike of the ground at a fraction of a seconds notice. responsive and feels like you and the bike are sharing a common goal. so well balanced you dont seem to be fighting the bike to pick a new line on the fly.
  • 4 1
 I questioned 29ers for a while ................. then I watched Curtis Keene! hahahah no, but this bike looks fun!!! good geometry and even better components! even at 30lbs if I found one on sale id go for it fur sure! (keep in mind I've never had a 29er! hahahahaha) seriously some of u guys act like little kids...
  • 10 4
 WAKI, go home, youre drunk
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 Should read more like this:

"It's pretty simple: Given the choice, we would reach for the big fat cheque Trek wrote us to say the 29er is better so they can start phasing out the 26er next year."

I didn't think I'd join the crowd of neophobes but I'm done with all this industry garbage.
  • 83 12
 ^ 26" taleban
  • 69 8
 Regardless of the wheel size, I love reading bike reviews. Keep it up regardless of the wheel debate, 26", 27.5, whatever - I'll read it all!
  • 86 24
 Can't stand the drivel from people who are so cynical and completely closed minded that they reject anything and everything that doesn't agree with them.
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 What if it was actually good?

More choice is always better. I would not be mountain biking today if 26" was all that existed.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 3:16) (Below Threshold)
 More choice is better? Really - more of what is better than little of what? More than 2 choices? Because I assure you that having more than 10 choices isn't any better than having 5. All people who thought that through will tell you that this marketing/PR slogan is pure bull crap. Go ahead and walk into a small grocery store with few quality products, anduse it for two weeks. Please write down what you felt after you came home and finished taking the purchased products out of bags. How did shopping go, are you not satisfied with any products. Then go to a supermarket again. You can actualy use Strava to measure your shopping performance. You can ask someone to follow you and measure decision taking process, whenever you stop by the isle. Then describe the experience again, and check if you are any happier. You might also want to check how much money you've spent, and how much shit you have not intended to buy ended up in your basket.

I will tell you my friend, that two years ago it was hard enough to choose a bloody bike rim or tyre on CRC. Now it is double as bad. Go ahead and try to buy a quality second hand fork fitting your frame and wheelset. Ok, let's assume that a person having straight 1,1/8 tube and 20mm hub wants to buy such fork. He should but Hope hub, frame with tapered tube or go fk himself ins't it? Time is money is a great thought...
  • 5 4
 Joe how so - did you try a sixer and hate it so that a niner was for you the only way to go?
  • 45 14
 The conspiracy theorists who think pb is getting paid off to promote big wheels are in the same category of people who think the US Govt was behind 9/11: wrong.

I ride 26 but have to admit this looks and sounds like a good bike, with the exception of the pivot clunk. No unreliable avid brakes and it looks to me like no BB30? If so good move by Trek. Not too heavy, not ridiculously expensive, and I really like the color and toned-down graphics.
  • 24 1
 I rode 26 for a long time. Switched to 29 took sometime to get use to bigger wheels. Then the other day road a 26 again for fun. After that I really see why so many bike companies are going to 29. Once you get use to the big wheels you will see a big difference. Now that bike companies aren't just slapping 29 inch wheels on a 26 inch wheel frame it makes all the difference. But I say ride what you like and just keep riding.
  • 62 0
 I like bikes
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 29 and 27.5 will be the only options, if you look at the line up from most manufacturers, 26" is only on DH and DJ. am sure that will change soon also.
I just hope hoops and good tires will be available aftermarket for 26"
  • 10 8
 Except that in the last UCI WC race the bb650 and 29ers got creamed with a weird amount of the bigger rims folding over on themselves. hell they even got smoked by a AM bike (no i am not going to call it an enduro) with 26 inch wheels. I have ridden all of them and for this area 26 is king. we spend a lot of time in the air and even bigger tires aren't going to help you stay on a skinny little line. it takes agility, being able to shift your weight quickly at speed to avoid a rock or root on the trail. we see very few people sticking with the 29ers here.
  • 7 1
 Then again, this bike wasn't really designed with world cups in mind...and as far as l know, only one guy rode a 29er at Pietermaritzburg
  • 8 2
 Who cares the wheele size. Ride what you like and stop complaining about it. My bike has 24inch wheels. Ooooooo comeback.
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flag AlexArmanetti (Sep 9, 2013 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 @Protour You know what we hate more than Pinkbike being paid off for promotion? People who can't support an argument! In other news, 9/11 was not an accident nor was it a threat from another country. So you pinkbikers are something that we like to call, WRONG... Pinkbike has officially been ruined by you guys. Vitalmtb here I come...
  • 3 0
 Hey hey! Remedy 29 for sale! I upgraded pretty much everything.
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flag dirtworks911 (Sep 9, 2013 at 8:24) (Below Threshold)
 Mike Levy, Ride much downhill?
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 @waki I can fit pretty much any used fork to my frame, as long as it's a 29er fork between 80 and 120mm. Straight or tapered, my headtube supports both. My wheels support both.

@headshot yes. Had three 26" bikes, the only one I still ride was made in 1996 and I ride about once a month.
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flag vernonjeff (Sep 9, 2013 at 8:52) (Below Threshold)
 if you have a functional bike from 1996 you are not riding very hard.. Also if you have only had 3 26" bikes again you dont ride very much.
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 They won't make 29" DH bikes. They've tried that already numerous times and it doesn't work. That's why you don't see 29" DH, FR, or DJ bikes. It just doesn't work, and they know that. Let's be smart here people, just for once.
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 Pinkbike users be smart? When they could bitch, moan, whine and complain on the internet instead? Nah.... never happen.
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 Funny how there is a group here that think that voicing opinion is bitching, moaning and complaining. I am pretty sure that is the intent of a forum. If its not to your liking then maybe you can take a big drop with no transition....
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 @Powderface - The story here isn't wheelsize or the phasing out of anything - the new Remedy 29 is a damn good bike, period. I obviously anticipated quite a bit of comments like yours when I wrote the review, and it clearly would have caused less fuss if I didn't go on about how great the bike is, especially in the closing line, but that'd wouldn't be fair. You can go on and on about your conspiracy theories, and I'll keep writing the truth about bikes... seems like a win/win.

Four or five years ago I talked plenty of shit about 29ers, but I'm now eating humble pie. A lot has changed in that time, and most of the current 29ers are legitimate contenders. There are some great 26" bikes out there right now, but limiting yourself to only those because of a conspiracy theory means that you're only missing out.
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 Yes but when they deny the valid opinions of everyone else to do so? Then its not a discussion. Its just bitching, moaning and complaining. Saying the push for 29ers and 650Bs is purely marketing is not wrong... but they don't understand why its right either is the problem. They think its because the bike brands just want to make MORE money, when its that they merely want to keep making the money they already make. Companies don't remain in business to lose money just because idealist idiots want them to. Consumers have already been voting with their wallets and spending habits at bicycle stores the world over than they WANT 29ers more than they want 26ers. Ten thousand people wanting a 6-8" travel 26er isn't as good as ninety thousand people wanting 4-6" travel 29er.
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 @vernonjeff if you regularly break bikes enough to think that having a retro bike and having owned another two 26ers means I'm 'not riding hard enough', you need to buy better bikes or learn not to crash.
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 I have three 26ers which I owned long enough and used often enough for the frames to develop fatigue cracks (two Aluminium one titanium). Until 2008 my ENTIRE personal (ie, not bikes I had built to sell) bike fleet was 26ers, EXCEPT for my cyclocross bike, and at the time that was around a dozen in number. In 2007 I decided to finally given bigger wheels a try. My first effort had PLANNED to be a 650B conversion but it took some time to finally gather the rims and tires and build my wheelset and buy a frame that fit them to go with a fork I already had and knew would fit the tire and I didn't get the bike together until late july 2008. In early june I fast-tracked my move to bigger wheels by impulse buying a fully rigid GT Peace 9r multi at the store i was working at as a mechanic. i figured I was paying wholesale plus 10% and it was a good bike to try out. Plus I liked the colour a lot. I followed those with a production 650B, a 29er softtail and a conversion 650B full suspension and had decided by then (2011) that I was not going to buy/build myself another 26er or even anymore 29ers to focus on 650B except two things happened the same fall/winter. I bought a fat bike for snow riding, which is by rim diameter, is a 26er (though by tire diameter its a 29er) and my girlfriend gave me a 29er full suspension frame for christmas. I have now changed my mind on getting more 29ers at least. I haven't seen anything to make me want to buy more 26ers though unless they're fat bikes. I am definitely a bike whore though and except for a few bikes, rarely have I ever kept any in my collection longer than 3 or 4 years. I've changed my "main" XC full suspension ride for example, several times in one year as different frames came along into my ownership. The number of bikes I've owned long enough to become "personal / didn't ever plan to resell" numbers less than ten. That's out of probably 500 I've owned in the past 26 years.
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 tl;dr: He's a little butthurt
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flag AlexArmanetti (Sep 9, 2013 at 11:08) (Below Threshold)
 You guys neg propped me to death. Interesting....
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 @AlexArmanetti.... you still here? What's interesting is that for someone who hours ago declared you're off to vitalmtb, you're still here and still posting....
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 If wheel size stirs up this much emotion, wait until the industry goes for the full push of electric assist mtb.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 11:30) (Below Threshold)
 As a product developer, that must manufacture new demands around 2020, I am opting for a system that sports two 20" wheels in the rear. That would increase contact patch significantly and add plenty of stability. F1 did it some time ago with two front axles...

deeeight - what exactly makes you think that this pic you linked isn't about you? I think you post large enough volumes of negative stuff to qualify for the established member of the pack you frequently btch on...
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 @WAKIdesigns FAIL! opt for another "system"
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 Good go to vital MTB....then we don't have to listen to anymore of your shit! Thanks man!
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 Wagon wheel federation is pissed off today huh?, the solution to all of your problems is simple , go and play compare with your 650b and 29" superior bikes.
if 26" is so crappy stop justifying your existence by it!.
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 "Wagon wheel federation"
I love Pinkbike.
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 trek : we cant make a 29" , 150mm travel rear end
marketing : we'll just say its better this way..

me : this is just an fuel ex9 now with 29"wheels..

@protour, the us government was behind 9/11
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 @cyberhawk - A Bunch of pissed off "citizens of various Middle East countries" were directly behind it. No idea why they were pissed off. They failed to appreciate the vision of getting a Wallmart in every major town in Middle East! They did not recognize the benefits of getting American BBQ equipment, pseudo British bacon, pseudo Dutch milk, quasi Spanish Tomatoes, pseudo German sausage and quasi French cheese. All that on full shelves, in atmosphere of delicate smell of NY hot dog wandering slowly in air conditioned interior! We came there to free them from a tyrant and give them our life style, and all we asked in return was oil they don't use much themselves and have in abundance! The banks were ready to provide mortgages for houses, so that everyone can have their piece of the dream. What about the wonderful gift of democracy? And in time we would take them out of delusion and give them our religion of love and peace also!

How can they not admire and love us?!
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 Yes, but they "the pissed off middle eastern folks" did it because they were pissed off at the actions of the previous US federal administrations in their region for technically, yes the US government was behind 9/11, but not in the way conspiracy theorists wish to believe. Pretty much anyplace the USA tries to install their version of democracy, it involves putting soldiers in those countries... and they basically never leave (they're still in japan, nearly 70 years after they won WW2, and still in Korea nearly 60 years since the cease fire was signed) unless its in their own interests to do so. Why would any citizens of any of these countries at all be pissed off....
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flag cyberhawk (Sep 10, 2013 at 1:42) (Below Threshold)
 didnt expect this fairy tale belief from canadians.. altough your "news" is as filtered as the rest of the US, .
there were no terrorists.. even better there is NO ONE who can say they lost a relative on one of the planes.. the towers were rigged weeks before.. sorry but they were..
and building 7 was taken down by gnomes okay... even polls show that more than 50% of the US population doesnt believe this BS anymore and lets say 90% of europe..

waki .. you're losing it.. get a grip man..

but lets get back to the new fuel ex.. ow ehh remedy..
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 I think the line from Devil wears Prada sums it up: "everyone wants to be us". Look at Poland in 1989, look at India now, China. everyone swims in American dream like a drunk fly in Cremé brulé. Too bad this planet won't take it, I mean in a form that can support human life, but eco-haters can sleep well - after 1mln years which is a wink, everything will be back to normal, even plutonium from Fukushima, just without us. Voyagers and a bit of other Nasa scrap will be flying somewhere in 1000 years as the only thing left of us. Let's look forward to 2050s and cold fusion... maybe we'll be able to send out some frozen people. One of them will be woken up by aliens and they'll ask him gajillions of questions, maybe even some about bicycles...
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flag cyberhawk (Sep 10, 2013 at 1:47) (Below Threshold)
 it's Cesium-137 in fukushima.. READ the articles.. not just listen to some under educated news reporter
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 I think when talking of thousands of years time frames, extinction of Human kind, it doesn't matter if it was Cesium-137, Plutonium or Stans sealant
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 @cyberhawk... i'm sorry, but you sir are a complete moron. The only cover up that happened on 9/11 is the 4th plane was shot down by the US airforce and they actually almost let it slip as to what they did publically at a whitehouse press briefing during the day afterwards when some general stood up to give a list of orders the military was operating under and that included the authority to shoot down any aircraft flying in US airspace while it was shut down in the days after the attacks. Unfortunetly (or fortunetly depending on your point of view), no reporter at the time bothered to ask "did you shoot that 4th plane down yesterday?" but I watched the briefing myself live on CNN, and I had friends with direct contacts to the FBI in pennsylvania and they were reporting to their family and colleagues at the time that the US Air Force had bagged the 4th hijacked plane over a relatively unpopulated farming area of pennsylvania saving who knows how many lives had it reached a city and another office building. To quote Mr Spock...the good of the many outweighes that of the few, or the one. Same logic behind A-bombing japan twice.

BUT... the towers were not rigged with explosives ahead of time, there were passengers on those four planes, and nearly 4000 people did die in the attacks, including 20 of 21 hijackers. That the towers fell the way they did was exactly to be expected given their construction method and the fact that there was a documentary done after the 1993 bombing that DETAILED all the previously not publically known features and flaws of the design. The documentary was basically a a tell all of why the truck bomb underneath wouldn't have worked even if it had been much much larger, and what would be needed to actually collapse the buildings.
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 Yeah watch out for the stan's sealant... anything that dissolves rubber can't be good for your health.
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flag cyberhawk (Sep 10, 2013 at 2:20) (Below Threshold)
 deeeight... i am astouned of the mindless beliefs of you guys.. you are just qoute-ing the news reports.. who were given a day later indeed..
strange thing is that in europe they said the passengers took over the supposed hijackers. (plane that crashed in the field) . but the crash site was clean of debris of a plane.,.. as well as the pentagon plane..
but to make one thing clear.. building 7 were the gnomes right ?
cause they also cut the support beams of the towers at a 45degree angle.. O_o
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 cyberhawk, you dissappointed me greatly... I thought your were sarcastic or joking... the problem with conspiracy theories is, that the plot itself becomes more important than reasons why would someone do that. I thought South Park explained that well enough. So for instance if someone asks you, why is there 650B, the answer is simple: because industry found it as a way to make a bit more money than if they were making only 26ers and 29ers, and the story is based on a true fact that in some applications 650B is better than any of the other two. Nothing to add nothing to take away. It isn't a conspiracy theory it's a perfectly likely story. Or European interests in Africa. Yes the civil wars and killings are at the highest interest of European economy. There is no conspiracy to it. You can find it all on Wikipedia or in Business Times, lists of companies "investing" in Africa are perfectly available. Many investors don't even cooperate with each other, they sponsor a dozen gun men to protect their mines of whatever they mine out, just as you would hire security company to guard excavation in your garden if there was something valuable to dig out. Fk me man... you know what's the most stupid bit about "there was no landing on the moon?" People prooving that it happened

Quite often those who intensely seek truth and enlightement are more deluded than those who live in ignorance
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 i never joke about these subjects. !
there are no theories anymore.. its all been proven or admitted...
in a decade or 2 .. documents will be realesed with this info.. as always.. as so with previous events..
anyone remenber the acusation of chemical weapons used in Iraq ? by the us ... denied.. later on confirmed.. much later.. admitted..
it is sad that you sheeple just follow and swallow.. but we are having a good laugh here in europe.. well most of us peeps that is..
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 Holy crap... thank you for proving my point that everyone has his fkd up mambo jumbo, and stating that religion is one of them is not making the proclaimer any smarter nor less deluded, no matter how much he/she think of him/herself. It's just that hot topics tend to have two sides and person outside the consensus, with good counter arguments gets an impression that he is daemm right. I enjoy floating in between so much... I learned something today - people are as dumb, weak, pretty, ugly, wise or powerful as we convince ourselves they are. 10 points up for deeeight -100 for you man... when we learn something new, it doesn't mean the world has suddenly changed - our perception of it has. The art of waking up...
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 i did not prove your point.. thats your assumption .. and i dit not mention religion anywhere.. your straying off... changing subjects.. making stupid comparisants... you are still a float i think.. dont mess with other people while you dont even know where you are in life,.. continue watching south park for explanations.. and life lessons..
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 Why are you selling?
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 @cyberhawk, I watched both planes crash into the towers, was there. You are a douchebag. Keep Smoking your weed and eating your terrible Dutch food.
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flag cyberhawk (Sep 10, 2013 at 5:28) (Below Threshold)
 nice example for the statitics you make lol
yeah.. the planes did hit the towers.. but they were not boarded by any terrorists..
drones dont need pilots do they ?? think about it.. and dont believe everything fox news tells you ,..
what happened.. happened to make you react like that.. go Iraq ! Go afganistan.. and now.. go syria ?
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So, I assume that you were so close to these planes that you saw guys with turbans?
Or have you been looking through a telescope?
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 Hey chickenhawk, must be a drag to live someplace where the MTB riding sucks, huh? And I lived there for 2 years, so I know it sucks. The bottom line is this, the US doesn't need to kill 4000 of its own people to justify invading some ass-crack part of the world, so your stupid argument is fundamentally flawed. And frankly speaking, if it maintains my awesome lifestyle here, I really don't care. Thats right, I said it. All you hollier than thou Euros seem to forget your imperialist pasts, that ended not because you took a moral high-road, but got kicked out of whatever country you were colonizing.
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 analysis of this post..
a jab to try to hurt me mentally > futile..
admitting how shallow you really are.. > never go full retard !
and i am shocked how bad your education is over there.. but not surprised..
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 @cyberhawk - dude you just admitted that you believe in 9/11 conspiracies. It's as retarded as taking Old Testament literaly...
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 Cyberchicken, you make me laugh, you're a funny guy. One hand on the mouse, another someplace else.
Hurting you mentally > I'm not the first person to that party, conspiracy boy.
I'm not shallow, just smarter than you.
As for my education, I know more about your history than you do, apparently. And I must have done something right because I'm smart enough to have a job that allows me to afford any of the bikes reviewed here, without breaking a sweat (here I go being shallow again). Excuse me now while I go bathe in some of that foreign oil we're kicking ass for, and you're over-paying for.
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You really don't believe that there were no plane parts in PA or at the Pentagon, right?

You also realize that the support beams that were cut tiwth torches during cleanup don't represent soemthing that happened during the collapse of the towers, right?

If you are going to use examples to support your theories, you should make sure that they aren't thoroughly debunked.
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 Why are you retards talking about 9/11 on here. Gtfo, this is pinkbike, not pinkjihadtheories
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 Eek You guys really are a Bunch of hillbillies.. Facepalm
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 Yeah, it's all been pretty well debunked, except for the conspiracy theory that some in the US Govt (Dick Cheney, mainly) knew some sort of attack was coming and purposely let it happen so we would have an excuse to go to war with and occupy middle eastern countries. This conspiracy theory has never been conclusively proven but also hasn't been debunked, and there is some evidence it's true.
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 Better to be called a hillbilly than to be a nutbar like you cyberhawk....
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 Hillbillies have red necks cuz they spend lots of time outside growing food, and thanks to them I have something to put to my mouth... they deserve lot of respect for that. Ok enough, I'm off
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Lets all just calm down a little bit and eat something.
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 I dont flee to name calling.. is see it as "a type of USA citizen" yeah there are types we are not all the same..
But if the Cheney thing did happen.. heard of it ... but still it weren't just the planes that did it.'s still another false flag operation..

And slowdown.. YOU really amazed me with that last comment..
I truly did not know
It could get so low.
. ...Lucky for the USA status.. i know some good ones are out there....
goddammit "boy"
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flag cyberhawk (Sep 10, 2013 at 23:18) (Below Threshold)
 dear norris.. when you get older you will learn it is a good thing to argue and discuss about all the crap what is happening in the world..
i know you are too young now to take interest in the world or the news.. but if your parents will raise you right ,,. you will in a few years :salute;
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 Except this is a BIKING website. And your personal remarks and berating against a person are absolutely uncalled for.
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 Dear Hawk. While l understand where you're coming from, despite being the tender age of 16, l actually take a keen interest in politics, world issues, and civil rights. l just know when and where to discuss them
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 Boom headshot.
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 headshot ? still playing computergames ? far from it.. its just useless to argue with indoctrinated people.. i will just wait a few years.. and smile when it all comes down,.
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 Hey Chicken man ....or whatever you call yourself.... The only thing your proving here is that you're an idiot!
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 cyberhawk - you should stop being so insecure about being indoctrinated. You are making a total moron out of yourself here. Because you wrote many previous valuable posts you wrote before I will give this gift to you. You focus on validity of details of the story and pride yourself with knowing something different than others. Zoom out because the story itself is irrelevant, thus digging into it is completely stupid and proves nothing to anyone. 9/11 was only an event, no matter how many lives have been directly influenced by it occuring. It is no more significant than Saddams invasion of Kuwait. Since 50 years the goal of US has been the control over middle east territory. It is strategical for it's geographic location and oil fields. Whether you like it or not, we all are who we are thanks to oil, US is what it is because evolution of mankind made it so, not because few illuminati steered the world this way. And US country is built on oil, everything: roads, infrastructure, cities, farming, homes has shape and size carved by oil. They cannot live without it (I doubt if Europe could )and they will take all means to endure, just as any country or human would, to widest extents that others allow him to.

US tried to achieve domination in the Middle East in many ways, supporting Saddam, scaring Saddam, attacking Saddam with military,on few occasions. Yes 9/11 was an excuse to invade Iraq, but that's the end of story. How can you fabricate such thing and leave no obvious traces in the era of internet? How can absolute idiots like Bush administration fabricate anything more than that about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which non-existence was later admitted by US government itself.
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 What 9/11 did was it sped it up, and only a bunch of absolute idiots like Bush boys could try to get that job finaly done in this way. And the size of fk up that Iraq is today shows that short sighted idiots planned it. Invasion Afghanistan was an extremely expensive show to justify brutal reaching for the actual final objective. Necessary because international organizations like UN need it on paper to justify their own lack of response, which they cannot make. Because in many generations to come, all nations of earth combined, won't be able to stand against the military and economical power of United States of America without putting themselves to absolute ruins. So it is in no one's combined interest to point the gun at US in order to protect brown people. Justifications for attack must be presented and words must be said against them - that's it - no physical action is ever intended to follow. I will quote the Wallstreet broker from the documentary "corporation" - everyone in military thought the same: "I did not ask for such help".

If you can't get that, then stop calling yourself smart, not delusional and educated, because you focus on stupid details from few loonie sites who live off such useless theories and would write about any other irrational crap if this didn't came along. And realize your Euro irrelevance, cuz of all "powers" we are the smallest, the most we can do is to be annoying to the big guns by barking "eco!" "eco!" Just stop thinking that you are any better than anyone. You make yourself a piece of sht by saying all that crap about others. Put yourself into a situation of a person living in almost any place in Africa and tell him that US are basterds and hipocrites... Which other group of countries if not Europe lives off from civil wars involving atrosities by which Nazi holocaust looks equal or smaller?

Now google for Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot...
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 You sir as of now on instead of mentally unstable.. upgraded to friggin' idiot.. so much assumptions and bs .. now i know why you type so much.. Facepalm
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 You guys "win"
I am out.. Smile
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 Yey, ad homimem!

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming. DAE 29ers suck?
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 Looks like bike companies are finally on the last stages of working out the kinks in the 29er stable. Seems like a great bike for all around trail riding fun!
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 After spending the last year on a Stumpjumper Evo 29...I concur. These things rip.
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 This is why I went brand new with a 29er. I saw the geometry getting optimised and realised that I'd only be unhappy with a three year old frame.
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 I was in Fernie this summer for a bit, and I rented an Evo29er. I have to say donch15, you have a sweet ride. I adored tearing up the trails on that ride. What a machine!
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 Orrrrrrrr maybe they're saying it rides nicer than a 26 because it actually rides nicer than a 26....
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 SACRILEGE on the PB forums!!! A thousand self-inflicted lashes!

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 There's alot of uninformed opinions here. Yes, we get it, you like 26". So stay with it. While some models may be phasing out 26", the support/parts will remain robust and I am fairly certain 26" will still play a large part of the long travel/DH/FR market. So, don't get your panties in a bunch.

That said, geometries of 29rs have vastly improved over initial offerings. And i would encourage folks to really spend some dedicated 3-6months on a 29r or 27.5" before passing judgement. You may surprise yourself.

I am personally biased towards 27.5, being that i've been riding a Bronson C since May. I'm pretty sold, it retains that roll-y momentum feel of 29rs but feels like a 26" in the air or being thrown around. I am betting that SantaCruz will be offering a 27.5 V10C in 2014 or 2015, at which point I will be selling my current gen2 V10C Smile
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 >While some models may be phasing out 26", the support/parts will remain robust

You can still buy 27" road wheels and tyres. Anyone who thinks 26" will disappear overnight if one or two brands phase them out is mad.
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 You can buy lots of different sized wheels and tires, just don't expect a variety of options is those rare sizes.
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 The point is that 27" wheels were used on low end bikes and they stopped selling them in the early 1980s, but you can still find parts.
  • 4 3
 Thanks to the internet, I can still find New Old Stock parts for bicycles made in the 1970s... that people here on pinkbike and other internet forums choose to complain about finding spares for stuff made last month.... first world problems people !
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 Interesting poll on PB. More than half want dh-content, the smaller half want more freeride/enduro content. Most plan to stay with 26. Almost none own 29ers or plan to own them. Many think 650b is a viable option and will wait it out till the frames and components are as good as a 26er. WC dh was dominated by 26 even on the enduro course.

So yes, the industry is trying to stuff it down our throats, pb beeing part of the sales machinery tried to capitalize on it. Now the fun part - PB turns into a premier downhill oriented site with a very vocal majority of gravityriders. Are ML and RC up to it?
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 More than half? Half of what? responders to a poll or users? The site has 675251 users, yet I've never seen ANY poll garner more than 4 digits worth of responses on here. More like a case of a fringe minority of whiners trying to CONVINCE the industry that they actually speak for anyone who should be listened to.... you want the bike industry to listen... spend money on 26er bikes. Don't have money to spend? Well then get the fudge out of the way for those of us who do, and don't want 26er bikes. There are more of us than of you. And we WILL WIN this debate.
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 It is actually very simple: a classic case of DIVIDE AND CONQUER that the industry is pulling off. Look how we are bitching at each other. Just unite and stop buying anything for say 3 months. I would be curious to see what happens. Another thing: then pb polls. It is like well nothing bad, we get to know each other but we know too that the industry very likely is very interested in these results. So i would say let there be transparency: who is getting what info from those polls and the user database? Or how about polls to the industry that they have to answer in order to get info from us? Say: What is the margin on component x? 10%, 100% 1000% haha. I mean once you realise they ask what they think we are willing to pay (and marketing makes you think it is all science fiction) instead of what it costs plus what they need to pay their lives while they make the stuff you understand how silly it all is. Ah a rant. I mean the point is it is bloody beatyful to spend money on new stuff but quality and function should rule, honesty about performance, not we need more revenue for our shareholders so now we 27.5 you all. Even if they are better (what is better? at what?) is it really worth it to basically inflate the market for all the average guys?
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 This site has maybe 600k subscribers. Actual usage is much much less.

Bikebuying: Do you really want to try to outspend a swiss? Come on ;-)

As for underbuilt 29 and 650b - my riding profile is 1200km or more of really rough alpine downhill per year and some sweet west coast runs. I ride handmade US 26 big bikes with select standard parts, some cheap, some not so. Nothing else survives, chinese frames with cartwheels and puny bearings are doa.

Deeight you are not part of the debate, the industry is dictatorial - this is not a debate - and you already lost because you refuse to turn on your brain. As for the majority - millions of flys cant tastes. You are a shill and do me a favor, drink the coolaid.
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 wakaba, the majority of us would prefer that you'd stayed in your own basement.

@Sontator.... want to know something the industry follows more... how many posts people put up for either selling 650B stuff, or talking about actually BUYING 650B stuff. Right now there's some 650B stuff for sale on pinkbike... a year ago it was just people posting things for doing conversions (forks and frames that had the needed tire clearance, wheels, tires)... now its that plus some folks selling the parts that came OEM on 650B bikes...which means to have those things, they had to have bought them new...recently...and are already spending money on upgrades...which means aftermarket 650B sales.
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 dee, so you are saying it basically works, i mean selling 650/29, so they do it, serve the market, as simple as that, no conspiracy, nothing. maybe people who ride a lot just got bored of the same ole trails on the same ole bikes so spice it up a bit, another wheel size, see what happens, some propositions already existed, pacenti and jamis or so, scott threw their stuff into the mix and suddently the wave is rolling. fair enough. i think what disturbs me is if i got bored on my ride i would blame myself for lack of commitment and not look for an easy way out. if i got bored because i felt held back i would buy new stuff but it would need to be proven and the newer wheel sizes are not, at least not yet. but yes, i got your point about how simple the market operates amd why it is pointless to just whine. well, maybe not entirely: billions of tamagotchis (insert any hype here) got sold 10 years back and today they are nowhere. i would say 650/29 are hypes until proven. from that the whining/derogatory behaviour of the jaded guys. thanks for letting me clear tthat up for myself.
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 Basically yes that's how it works. Not knowing HOW much knowledge you have on modern 650Bs this will either come off as refreshing insight, or downright condescending.... (and I rarely put a disclaimer like that for anyones benefit...i default to condescension).... I will also probably break this into a few messages because of the IP flag thing.

Kirk Pacenti had this notion that the industry (and Kirk was a frame builder before he became the 650B godfather) as a whole (manufacturers and consumers) needed something IN BETWEEN 26ers and 29ers. While 26ers still appealed to the suspension travel and trick/stunt type riders (ie, more travel, bigger air, etc) and 29ers was on its way to cementing itself in XC riding and racing (which really is what the majority of riders do world wide, because most large population centers are not in places with mountains or chair lift accessed trails). So he spent his own money and time convincing Panaracer to modify one of their existing tire designs (the Rampage) and make new molds to produce tires which he paid for in a new (to modern MTBs) wheelsize that was actually an old wheel size, but one that was also seeing a resurgence in popularity in the USA in custom made touring bikes at the time. The existing bead size matched to a 2.3" width tire gave a nominal diameter of 27.5". So in between in WORDS anyway to what people thought of as the two wheel sizes of mountain bikes. Something that had some of the benefits of both but less of the drawbacks of either. Goldilocks and the three bears sorta stuff...and he was right.
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And after he built a frame & rigid fork and got Velocity to provide him some rims he went to the north american hand built bike show and displayed his creation... and people paid attention.... magazine writers for Dirt Rag and Velo News and the bible of the industry, Bicycle Retailer magazine. Also other frame builders. And pretty soon people got talking on mtbr about the new alternative wheel size. That's where I learned about it in late 2007. At the time there was no suspension fork makers supporting it yet but White brothers were talking about making a fork, and no frame builders either yet, but we had tires we could order from Kirk Pacenti and Velocity USA offered rims, including making the then new model the Blunt, available in it. And that's how I, and thousands of others got started.... order rims, order tires, and then set about seeing what we could convert.
And conversions are what drove brands like KHS and Haro and Jamis to step up to offering production bikes and order suspension forks be made for them. If a thousand riders are talking about and posting up frames/forks they KNOW fit the tires... that means there's thousands who would likely buy a bike at a store that was complete and ready to go. And from those sales came more sales. And then other brands started experimenting. Scott USA had riders on them like Nino Schurter because they weren't of the stature to comfortably fit 29ers but yet fit 26ers great but wanted more roll-over ability like 29ers but still with good agility as a compromise. Nino was on one of those prototype carbon scale 650Bs when he won the first XC world cup in South Africa last year... 3 days later Kirk Pacenti received orders for 1500 rims. That means a WHOLE lot of racers and riders suddenlly were going to be converting and building prototypes to try out over the rest of the race season.
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 continued... and as I mentioned before, XC riding is really the bread and butter to bike buying for the majority of brands. The sport may have began with DH races like the famous repack in california (so named because the heat from braking coaster and drum brake bikes melted the bearing grease forcing you to repack the bearings after each run down the mountain) but it was XC riders going off into the hills exploring all over the world that really got things moving. So when the Nino and others started sweeping podiums, it was a sure bet that the industry would have to pay notice, because consumers follow what their racing heroes do... a few DH riders start wearing custom painted Troy Lee helmets and then everyone wants them. Dianese sells (not sponsors, Dianese didn't give stuff away for free back then) body armor to racers and poof, rank and file consumers start ordering the stuff to protect themselves. Racing makes great advertising. And that's why 29er sales were long since eclipsing 26er sales in XC. Well now this year, they and 650B are doing that in enduro and DH racing and dual slalom, and yes Logan's 3rd place at Redbull Rampage last year did help in big air stunt riding too.

Look through your favourite brands 2014 catalogs... Rocky Mountain is MY favourite brand.... they have been for 21 years. And for 2014, the Element 26ers are GONE. Except for the flatline, slayer, flow, and ONE entry level hardtail, the entire lineup is 650B and 29ers. And I don't have any problems with that.
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 So what exactly do you (or others who appear to be fence sitting) need for Proof that 650B/29ers are the way to go ?

Racing results ? Ok 29ers were dominating XC racing until 650Bs came along. We have back to back world cup titles and world championshipsfor Nino Schurter for men's xc, and now for women's xc also (ok last year she was on a 26er at least until the Olympics but this year its been all 650B).

We have various big names in gravity using 650B for Enduro, and some wins here and there... former world champions developing bikes in the size for brands (Nico for Lapierre for example) and professing their love for it, which you can take with a grain of salt since they're being paid to do this work. We now have the US Pro Gravity tour 2013 title and the 3rd place in the series belonging to KHS-650B riders... at the worlds, until they crashed, Stevie Smith and Mitch (forget his last name right now) had posted the FASTEST times and speeds on 650B and 29ers in the downhill event.

When/what becomes enough proof for people ?
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 Do some of you guys^^^ have careers/school?
I enjoy reading these threads most of the times- but some of these responses are so long-winded. Geez.
FTR: I have owned 3 26" Remedies. Favorite bike ever. This year purchased a Remedy29- that is now for sale. I liked it waaaaaaay more than I thought I would. If I weren't in school, I would certainly keep it. Next year: 650b Remedy. I will be done and living in Durango, so I feel that bike will be the ONE, until the next one.
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 We don't need proof , because we are happy on our bikes.

Bigger wheels will work better for some, but why would we want to try being unhappy on a bike when we are currently happy?

1. Yes, I voted with my wallet last year.
2. I live near the repack tail, I need a bike for mountains.
3. I don't care about fastest times, since I can't max out my current bike.
4. I want a bike that turns quickly and easily.
5. I don't feel that extra weight for the sake of bigger wheels is a huge advantage.

In all reality, bigger wheels would make me a worse rider. I approach corners too hot ( too fast) and need a bike that can help me work on this part of riding.
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 Why? Bigger wheels mean larger tire contact patches (for a given weight of wheel, and rubber makes the biggest chunk of wheel weight) and thus you can take corners with more speed and brake later without sliding. Every magazine test comparing wheel sizes have confirmed that.
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 Proof means undeniable, definitive results. EWS was dominated by Clementz and Graves on 26". World champs podium was all 26" ( seeding doesn't earn points... big guns take it easy ). The top Pro GRT rider has not been near a WC podium and got beat by 11 seconds at national champs by a 26".

I've got nothing against 29ers or 650b... it's all horses for courses, and IMHO waaay more about the rider than wheel size. I'm sure the top Enduro guys will all gladly rip just as hard on their new 650b kit next year, but nothing at all has been proven yet in regard to the claimed inferiority of 26". No manufacturer wants to be perceived as being behind the curve, so we may never really know beyond what this season has already shown us: 26" is perfectly capable of hanging with, and more often than not, beating the larger wheels on true 'mountain bike' terrain.
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 people love to hate TREK, the same way they love to hate Burton in the snowboard industry. Too many people are concerned about looking cool rather than riding what works. I bought a 2011 Trek remedy 9, it was a great bike. Trek is a great company and is constantly pushing the industry. Grow up internet trolls....
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 i am convinced trek makes great bikes, just my personal interpretation of their public image is that it is aimed at grandpa
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 right so they sign semenuk rheeder mccaul and r dog not to mention the guys developing the remedy 29er are some of the fastest downhill and enduro riders in the world. i wish that was my grandpa
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 i said they make great bikes so nothing on their r&d, and hiring those guys is trying to paint the brand that is conservative at heart (nothing bad there either except notmy cup of tea) with cool
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 Does anybody else on here love coming on the comments section just to neg prop deeeight and WAKI? Opinionated know-it-alls who always think they know better than everyone else. Enough with these trivial postings....I'm going out for a ride.
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 I've had my Remedy 9 29 for a couple of months now. It is an amazing bike!!! I come from a BMX background with a bit of 26 riding too. This bike is my do it all. It is a perfect bike for me, my riding style, and the ridiculous rocky terrain in my area. This bike loves to eat rocks!
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 I hope more people jump on the big wheel bandwagon, it can only drive down prices for the rest of us as our 26 inch antiquated velocipedes become increasingly unfashionable, looking forward to bargain wheelsets, tyres etc ;-) - oh and the use of the term "step on the gas" when writing about riding a bike made me cringe......
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 Just got a weekend of demo riding the rem 9.8 in 27.5, fuel and rem in 29, Stache8 29 and a few of other brands. One that stuck out was a Yeti ARC C Pro 29. I currently ride a 2012 26'' Fuel EX7 this bike is set up 1x10 wide bar.. blah.. blah and so on. I have never ridden any other wheel and or carbon frame before this weekend and was eager to try them on local trails instead of a dam parking lot. In short I'am a wide open type of rider and love to smash trough technical and high speed DH. Even if I have to climb for a Hour to do so. 29er wheel felt great and realistic on all the XC hard-tails tested, carbon or alum. It seemed to make up for the lack of travel on the bikes that had 100mm forks. As for FS 29er I started to feel the hype!. I don't recommended FS 29er for riders like my self as they are just to dull. 29er hardtail like the Yeti ARC or similar are so fast its stupid I could own such a bike. On to the 27.5 wheel the Remedy 9.8 took the cake. Treks pedaling platform is very good and the only other brand that I felt a bit better as with the Santa Cruz Bronson in 27.5. Open up the shocks on the Trek and no other brand had the performance. I feel the 140mm 9.8 Rem with its not so slacked head angle (compared to the Slash and other 160mm bikes, 27.5 wheel to help out it's none 160mm travel and bigger tire patch mite be the headshot for the 26in wheel in that travel range. In the mean time I'm not going to blow 55hundo on a new rig anytime soon... My $3,200 Fuel EX 7 build works very good for most of the trails around me and if I get into the shit well I guess i will just bounce through it.
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 29, 650, 26. A matter of choice ? The problem is when a manufacturer like giant basically eliminates 26" from the line up where is the choice ? It seems the decision has been made to eliminate 26" from high end bikes. So I think that is where the animosity against the big wheel movement lies. The manufacturers are forcing riders out of a choice.
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 yes, because SO FEW people are buying them anymore as it is. Why keep selling stuff only a small minority want to purchase, JUST to please that small minority. I've said it many times, if the ENTIRE pinkbike membership base was exclusively and for all time declared to be only 26er riders, that's still at most 0.1% of the world wide bicycle consumer market.
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 and now check how experienced and knowledgeable this readership is vs the 99.9% rest and tell me that uneducated masses whipped to frenzy by manufacturers smelling cashflow should decide which is the wheelsize that works on the trail and that the others will be phased out. in my book it is like burning books.
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 Ummm...if they tracked the age demographic I'd bet the majority are NOT that experienced or knowledgable outside the closeted little worlds they live in... the rest of the industry still refers to pinkbike as the place the immature kids hang out... PB's staff/editors keep trying to change that perception but then we have all the "sky is falling" posts whenever they review anything 29er or 650B and well.... you guys are only ruining it for yourselves in the long run.
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 how about trail time on type of trail these bikes are designed to excel on as demographics? aww cmon, you are as bad as the industry and take statistics to pull me into a nitty gritty fight of attrition with billions of variables that now need accounting. nice move but aint working on this kid. here's the point: the best games are the ones with very simple rules that take ages to master, like chess and (26") mtb. Why make more complex rules adding other wheel sizes more specific to this or that and spoil the game? i say you guys are ruining it for all of us. you at least serve as a decent sparring partner
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 Who is the "All of us" you refer to? Again I'll try and point out that this site, 673 thousand odd registered members, does not represent the entire bicycling world. I'm sure almost every mountain biker I know and have ridden with in the past ten years in this area probably has a pink bike account just the same way they have an mtbr account, and a hotmail/gmail email address. But EXCEPT for dingo-dave and a couple others (and I only remember dave because his name is so memorable and he's actually one of the intellligent people who posts) none of them ever post in these bike/product reviews or race result posts on the front page of the website. How many people is that not posting? Ninety or a hundred maybe. Chances are they're probably not bothering with the polls either. About all they do when they do post, is use the buy-sell, or post in specific threads in the forums related to say, the dirt jump locations in the area, or organising group rides/buys, or something related to trail access/advocasy. They're definitely NOT whining about 650B and 29er bikes because they've either ridden one already, or bought one, or have friends on them who love them, and thus can't live in narrow mindedness about 26ers going bye-bye.
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 so my story is i got back into mtb 3 years ago after a long hiatus after riding in the early-mid nineties (still have my ti merlin) and living in holland with work and family obligations i just do not have a significant community, more of a lone wolf maximising trail time. as such i was under the impression pb was a more knowledgeable community to balances the bike reviews hype with hands on experience but after a while of polls and post reading those seem in fact shallow so it makes a lot of sense what you say, the mature guys mind their business and use the useful stuff on the site. i reserve scepticism until ridden one myself.
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 I think to shake off its "image" pinkbike needs to expand in some areas... they're much better than mtbr for posting new content like a magazine presents it... its why I'm here soo much...or at bikeradar.... but the forums could use some work...expanding... we now have a vintage forum....but they group 29ers in with road and touring and fixies... and there's nothing for 650B.....

meanwhile over at mtbr....

I draw your attention to the top sticky topics... the "my list of 650B compatible" is for 26er frames that fit 650B tires... 392, 376 VIEWS and 1155 replies, in 5 1/2 years. At the time I checked, there was 246 users browsing that forum. The DH-Freeride forum had 321 at the same moment, and the 29er forums had 881 in 29er bikes and 196 in 29er components.

Take from that what you wish... but I take that 29ers are WAY more popular than either DH or 650B, but that 650B is closing in on DH in popularity.
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 How about comparing this steed to the Specialized Enduro 29er? They're both in the same league and I guess many will be wondering which bike is better/faster/etc.
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 how about comparing it to the recently tested knolly endorphin and see which mike would take to a lonely island as the only bike
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 Regarding the XT controls with Rockshox remote;
If you mount the RS remote on the other side of the bar than it was intended for, it will be underneath the bar. This allows it to work fine with the XT stuff. It also makes it easier to reach the pushloc button and mounts it in a more protected spot.
You will have to buy a different 'side' remote if you want to keep it on the right. They are available and easy to install though.

here is a video
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 Yup, that is a great way to set it up, but not feasible with a front shifter.
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 @Mikelevy... then the individual owners can CHANGE their front shifter... one bar end shifter and a paul's thumbie mount and problem is solved...
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 Are you sure that won't work with a front shifter?
I just flipped it upside down on my new bike with XT shifters and it fits fine on the right side of the bar, the left shifter isn't that much different from the right is it?
I also used to run one on the left side with my X9 shifter.
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 its hard to believe any of these reviews when you read one after another and there is never any bad feedback of constructive criticism... economically driven reviews, awesome...not! thanks pinkbike
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flag miff (Sep 9, 2013 at 7:26) (Below Threshold)
 What did you expect from Mr Levy? He's the mouthpiece for SRAM and by the looks of it, Trek and anyone else with a new standard to push.

After laying eyes on Mr Levy recently, he's nothing short of what I expected. A weedy, latte sipping, spandex-on-the-outside, shaved-legged hipster.

Mike you get criticised for writing things like you were paid to... can you offer some closure here for all the 'haters' on pinkbike. Are you, or are you not paid (outside of your presumed PB wage) for half the shit you publish?
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 Yeah it would be nice to see which bikes don't perform well. I'd probably be more interested in that than another one of these articles
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 29ers have been in mass production since 2002, 11 years and counting. I'd say it's highly likely they (the big companies) have a lot of the kinks worked out and I'd expect so. A bad review on a high performance bike sticks with them for a long time. Eg. First RM Flatline, Marzo forks from a few years, 2013 Fox CTD, etc. With test mules easily welded up in a few months, the R&D cycle is much shorter than before.
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 There's never any "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" because its pinkbike. Why would the readers be constructive when they can be idiots instead.
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 @Miff - You're surprised that, after eleven years of making 29ers, Trek's new Remedy 29 is a great bike? There was a time when your V10 was a brand new bike that pushed the boundaries of performance, but now that it's a few years old you seem to be up on a bit of a high horse regarding this whole "new standard to push" nonsense. Your loss, as there are quite a few great 29ers and 650B-wheeled bikes on the market, although I'm really looking forward to seeing you on your 2010 V10 a decade from now.

And yes, I am obviously paid big money by companies for all the words that I put down... otherwise how would I afford my $2,000 van and all the cans of tuna that I eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?
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 I find it very annoying to attack ones personality, clothing etc, really. No matter what kind of review one's writing. As a big guy it would be nice to try out some 29er enduro bike, so I kinda like to check reviews on them also. And I would also try one before buying, so review is just a small preview for me. So keep on writing...
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 I love bikes and riding in general and a high performance high spec bike of any brand is going to work well, my comment wasn't aimed at the author but more at pinkbike in general. But i guess its my fault for reading reviews online and wanting to get an honest opinion on a bike. I have ridden a lot of bikes and at the moment the two enduro bikes I am riding are awesome one of which was reviewed a couple of weeks ago on here, that review was spot on so who am I to say that this trek isn't amazing. I'm just skeptical about a 29" bike in an proper Enduro platform like the world enduro series for example I don't think the geometry and your riding position would be beneficial for the steep technical downhill sections.

Pink bike lacks the objective reviews of the product and the components that can only come about from riding and not having your wage depending on the words you write. Not a personal attack just a differing opinions.
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 Haha! Miff, you either have never met Mike, or you don't know what spandex or hipsters are!

And who's to say guys in spandex or hipsters can't shred. I personally know a few.

I always find it funny that it can't be accepted that maybe reviewers give good reviews because the bikes are actually good! A company like Trek, or any bike company for that matter, spends a lot of time and money trying to make the best bike possible. So it is likely that when they release it, it is going to be better than the ones that came before it. That isn't industry hype, or "paid-off reviewers"-- that is the result of stiff competition and the advance of technology.
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 Not sure I agree with you there Ryan. I've seen many more critical reviews in Pinkbike than I have in Australian Mountain Bike mag or Revolution. (sorry for the Aus mag references everyone, Ryan will know what I mean)

Have you read the retro bike reviews in the 20th anniversary issue of Bike mag at the moment? Late nineties dual suspension bikes were TERRIBLE! I think the industry may just be producing a pretty good product now.
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 Ryan-MC, I actually was talking about Miff's reply. Sorry for the misleading message, critical comments about bikes and gear are highly welcomed. And own personal experiences are a nice add also to the review.
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 @ mikelevy lol on those tuna cans. Hope they are dolphin safe at least. Hahahah recycle my friend!
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 Less bitching, more riding!!
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 Ive owned my Remedy 9 29er for about 2 months now and its incredible. Took me a while to give in to the 29" wheel but this bike does not handle like the "stereotypical" 29er. Its incredibly playful and takes big hits like a champ!
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 Trek are amazing bycicles. I got Fuel EX 9 2013 this June, frame has a great geometry for me and the same great components, but, please, change tyres ASAP. They only perform "all right" in moderatly complicated, dry terrain. They do not grip on technical climbs with roots etc., and I found them simply dangerous for any rocks and(or) wet conditions (unfortunately after I switch to tubeless). Also CTD thing works great, but fork has already problem with settings and it is only after 5-6 proper descents in Alps, sad.
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 I actually am looking into getting a Fuel. Seems like a perfect XC/AM bike for me to replace a few bikes in my quiver.
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 A fuel for AM? Not my first choice, but whatever works.
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 Don't see why not. 130mm of travel is plenty for am. Plus it'll replace three bikes I currently have. It's a great all around bike or seems to be. I don't want a full on dedicated AM/Enduro bike with 160-170mm of travel. Seems overkill to me when I have a 160mm FR bike anyways. Just slap on a shorter stem, wider bars and some knobby tires and I'm good to go.
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 Exactly. Climbs with technical sections are also very much enjoyable. I also have 170/170 mm bike setup for freeride, and I used to take it to day-long tours with 1000 + meters of climbing, but FUEL is so much better for this. I would keep everything bigger than 150 for bike parks, 130 mm is all right for decent and great for trail/climbs. After all proper breaks and tyres add much more confidence on DH than extra 20 mm of travel. - on Fuel you get XT brakes, which are awesome, but tyres must be replaced.
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 It's not only that, but most of the time the trails around here don't need a long travel bike. Sure they have sections where a long travel enduro or even a DH bike would be ideal in, but overall it would be overkill. Plus I gotta pedal the thing up the trails. So I think this is a perfect compromise of travel for pedal-ability. Do I ride longer travel bikes up there? Yes, but only when I'm planning on riding one or two specific trails on repeat to get better at them. Because they benefit from a longer travel bike.

Plus the bike looks like it would be very very playful. I'm actually getting excited to get one.
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 This quote from the end of PB's take annoys me: "Yes, it has lost some of its lively temperament with the wheel size switch, but the 650B version that was recently announced might just be the ticket in that regards." Ok, I get that 29ers might be preferable for certain situations (people who want to turn a difficult, technical trail into a fire road), but if they also want a more lively version why not just stick with 26 for that model? Why the need for 27.5? The last time bigger wheels were introduced it pretty much sank without trace - people didn't want them, and yet now suddenly every manufacturer is introducing them not alongside 26 but instead of, and the media are fawning all over them. It's bollocks, we're having a change foisted upon us that nobody asked for simply as a mechanism to increase sales.
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 >It's bollocks, we're having a change foisted upon us that nobody asked for

No one's making you buy it. It's not like someone is coming to your house, taking your bike and making you buy a new one.
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 Actually its a change the MAJORITY of people who actually buy bicycles (and not just bitch about them on internet forums) already voted for, with their spending habits...

For example, mere weeks after Santa Cruz revealed their Bronson and Solo 650B models this spring, sales of their existing 26ers TANKED. They've got factory clearouts on their website of 26ers for about 40% of retail price, on 2013 model year frames. That's below dealer wholesale btw. This for the factory to clear unsold 26er frames they had in stock still. How do you think dealers who have the models on their showroom floors already that they paid for already feel? They're now having to LOSE money just to move inventory that people don't actually want or need otherwise.

Heckler $550 (regular MSRP was $1300) and the 2014 Heckler is a 650B.
Superlight $550 ($1100 MSRP) and the 2014 is a 29er.
The Blur LT Al and Carbon, and the Blur XC are all discontinued next year. The Julianna single frame model is being replaced by an entire new lineup that has 650B, 29er and 26er options depending on frame size mainly.

Thats one area you'll probably see 26ers stick around at some mid to higher end non-gravity levels, for short folks (ie the large womens market).
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 @downbeat: to get the ride the larger wheels offer in a 26: wheeled bike, the engineers need to use ridiculous frame geometry- 65deg HTA on a trail bike WTF!!!? That type of geometry results in a bike that is no longer nimble, flops side to side, and can easily be replaced with a more nimble offering in a larger wheeled bike. Larger wheels, 650b most specifically can provide a better balance between stability and nimbleness, without skewing too far either way.
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 joe, that's right but when it comes to buying new wheels/tires/whatever in the future I might well be stuck. 26 is going to be phased out. Lets say I cracked my frame and had to buy a new one, already my choices would be extremely limited.

dee, you might be right, maybe people did suddenly think "d'ya know what? all those bikes I've ridden in the past, the wheels were all too small! I'm soooo glad that the manufacturers have come to my rescue with - finally - a bike with the right size wheels." If people really have been hanging out waiting for larger wheels, why did my local shop have a 29er Trek (or Gary Fisher, I forget) that they couldn't give away because no-one wanted it? It sat there like an unwanted Christmas jumper for bloody ages. No-one knew they wanted bigger wheels until the marketing and media told them they did. I'm not suprised SC struggled to sell existing models after introducing the Bronson, it is a gorgeous looking thing.

Willie, my bike has a 65.5 deg HA, it definitely does not flop from side to side.

You're welcome to your opinions chaps, same as I am mine. My opinion is that the 27.5 wheels are less of a change for riding reasons, and more of a change to give people a reason to buy a new bike.
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 downbeat73... perhaps the shop priced it too high? Never an obvious reason like that right ? We had a guy a week or so ago in another review who works at the largest SC dealer in colarado to say that they can't even give away any of the 26er models... the 29ers and 650Bs are outselling them 9 to 1. I'm sure he hit that ratio from the part where the last 10 bikes SC bikes sold were 1 26er and 9 NOT....

here in canada's capitol, we're in a few weeks going to have two bike stores about 200 feet apart on the same street (opposing sides, you can see one from the other). One is Fresh Air Experience who are a Giant and Norco dealer. Both Giant and Norco are going HEAVILY into 650B for 2014, and having a lesser focus now on 29ers and 26ers (other than DH and Fat Bike models, and really entry level XC hardtails). The other is Tall Tree Cycles who are moving to a new larger location, and they are a Kona, Surly, 9zero7 and Specialized dealer. 9 zero 7 are a fat bike brand exclusively (there are easily a hundred fat bike owners in this area now, myself included), Surly has 26er, 29er, Fats, and more. Specialized is very heavily 29er KoolAid slanted. Kona is embracing all three wheel sizes for next year but again 26ers are falling to the entry level price points other than Gravity and Snow related bikes.
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 Downbeat - there will always be 26" frames. Sure you might have 50 to choose from rather than 200, but they aren't going to disappear because Specialized or Giant stopped selling them.
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 You're spending too much time arguing about wheel size and not enough time riding people. I don't care about what wheels you like, just ride YOUR damn bike okay? You don't need to convince the whole world that one size is better, just ride what size you want. The key word there was RIDE.
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 and you just dont force feed market change and limited choices by brainwashing uninformed potential buyers that wheelsize x is the best choice when there is a perfectly working wheelsize nobody ever thought of complaining about.
EDIT: was a bit trigger happy and did not take time to see which side you are on but now i realize there is no neutral in this war. either you are against them or against us. erm...choose!
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 its really sad that the market has pushed even the remedy to changing so drastically, fortunetly trek would not put out a bike that isnt short of amazing so i will trust their call on this one, although i will say i love my 26 remedy
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 @mikelevy - haven't read all of the comments but to clear up the clunk coming from the rear when brakes are applied is coming from the XT finned brake pads. We have noticed it on a couple of bikes including my Remedy 9 29. We have never heard any such sound coming from an ABP.... although there is always a first.

Question - In your opinion ("No, the bike is not as agile as a 26"-wheeled machine of equal travel, and it did take a bit more effort to throw around, but the tradeoff is awe-inspiring calmness in the heat of battle.")

Is is really not as agile.. or could it be with a little more time on the bike? Having spent most our lives on 26" and only through time on the saddle have we gotten to the level of agileness we enjoy today.... would we not get there in time on the 29er, or will they always hold us back? Is it only the elite level pro rider that will really notice this potential drawback? If true, I feel it would be worth mentioning that 80-90% of todays bike consumers would likely never notice less agility, and quite possibly notice the opposite.

This is my 4th year on a 29er (rumble fish for 3 and now Remedy) and I have surpassed any of my pre abilities in throwing around a bike since this Remedy came into my life. Me being part of the 80-90% lol

Thanks for your time. Great review!
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 Thanks for the props on the review. Pretty confident the sound is from the hardware, though, as we have seen it on a few different ABP-equipped bikes regardless of brake spec. I managed to solve it on a personal bike, but not this test rig.

I'd say that the Remedy is less agile than other similar travel 29ers, which in turn means that it is also less agile than most 26"-wheeled bikes. That whole "agile" wording is a funny thing because, as you point out, many riders will benefit from the bike's planted feel. I think that the larger wheels' inertia will always make for a slightly less playful bike when comparing travel and geometry straight across against a 26" bike.
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 @ nweima, I am a far more capable rider than I was a year ago because after doing my own thing and becoming reasonably technically proficient for 15 plus years I did a bit of skills training focusing on my dh skills. Why credit the big wheels for your abilities - chances are you'd be as good if not better on a sixer...
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 @ headshot Thanks for believing in me haha! I would like to think that would be true...
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 Why does every bike test turn into a wheel size debate? Ride what works for you. Where I live in greater Vancouver, BC, I see almost no 29ers. I seen a few 27.5s but most people rider 26" inch wheels AM or FR bikes. I just bought a new 26" wheel bike. Why? Because suits the trails I ride (Burke Mtn) and my ability or lack there of......
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 Couple of things:
1) the bike rides heavier than 30lbs because it. Add pedals and the weight is around 31-31 1/2 lbs.

The wheel and tire upgrades don't really make sense for an all mountain bike: über light?
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 Depends on how heavy the rider is and how hard they want to rip.
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 Light/strong/cheap. Pick any two. At this price point you get mid range wheels, not high end wheels.
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 26 isn't going anywhere calm down.
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 Trek's full sus mtb line is mostly 650 and 29... They read too much pinkbike
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 The one time I test rode the Remedy 29 was on a jump trail at a local bike park and honestly, it sucked, even compared to my fuel ex (not 29) which isnt anywhere near a park bike. It definitely had to do with the 29" wheels. With that said I believe everything they said about the bike on natural trails. Having ridden the rumblefish on natural rocky trails and feeling great about it, Im very excited about getting to try the remedy 29 on trails.
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 Rode one of these (exact same model actually) at a Trek Demo day and it was amazing. Really noticed the benefits of the 29er and didn't notice any of the cons of them right away, except it felt like riding on a monster truck haha. They had the Remedy 650b and the 650b Slash at the demo too, but all of those were checked out. Was lucky to be able to grab the 29er.
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 The funny part about this bike is that Trek literally fixed every problem that the old 26" bike had, per Bike magazines Bible of Bike tests. The old bike had no thru axles, and not burly enough tires.

Now Trek fixes those two issues and slaps some big wheels on it and it is now better than the old 26"?

I am not sure you would choose the new over the old if they had built it correctly the first time.
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 This comment thread is hilarious... LBS manager has one of these. XX1 w/ I9 Torch wheels. I'm not a Trek fan, but this bike looks damn nice, and pedaled and bounced around the parking lot very nicely. I'm sure it would absolutely shred out on the trail.
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 @deeight I'm still here. I went a lunch break to Vitalmtb. You guys are so serious! But, seriously Pinkbike has become a place for people to come and voice their opinions without explanation. Not a great thing. To say that 29ers are gay and not have the why for it is stupid. I don't like 29ers either, but the reason is because I don't like the maneuverability issue and the fact that the bigger wheel is not as strong as a 26in. This is not directed at you deeight
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 Im missing something here. I've got XTR trail brakes and a Reverb working perfectly together. Reverse your right action Reverb to the left side of the bar operation under the bar as opposed to above the bar keeping it completely out of harms way as well as a more natural feel and operation. It's a slicker solution full stop and works nicely. Bonus, since I have a SRAM 11 setup it keeps the right side clutter free too. Just a thought, work well for me
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 I find it staggering that people are so passionate enough about what wheel size other people are using that "wheel racism" is an actual phrase. I can't wrap my head around why anyone would be so bothered by someone else's wheel preference, regardless of what that is. Seriously, I had to borrow a f*ck just to write this comment.
  • 1 0 much BS is said in these comments that it's hard to read...start your own fucking webpage, put your name and picture on it and then write whatever the fuck comes out of your ass that day!
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 That might just be the biggest company being reviewed written "Pinkbike Take" yet. Complete marketing. By choosing a 29er over a 26 you are basically saying that you would prefer to ride over that boulder rather than jump it. Its just lame. I prefer a more maneuverable bike for fun factor rather than Strava times.
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 I must say that I am reading less and less articles on PB and other sites because I realized that tyre choice is not the only thing that is about location location location. Whether a bike is a good or bad weapon depends a lot on the terrain it will be ridden on, and I think most people forget that. Doesn't it struck anyone that so many bikes are tested in Sedona, when almost none of us lives in area with terrain and trail surface even close to that? No it's not only about tyre choice. Then I think a lot of people here on PB think that jumping around from every stone is the best way of riding trails and so everyone should ride, otherwise he's a woose. Then some people are really long, then some just click with certain handling characteristics, like 29ers super stability. I am guilty of such opinions as well but it doesn't change the fact that it is a limited point of view.

I will put to anyone having trouble with 29ers that such bike is a great choice for those riding a lot in big mountains, where acceleration is not an issue unlike my trails, looking like those on NS but lying on max 200ft hills. 29ers suck in jumping and on acceleration. If you have lots of wide, smooth, loose trails, you aren't going to quit biking because they don't look like Northshore Vancouver isn't it? And for such trails where speed is king, where grip is short, air-time promising natural obstacles are rare, the 29ers are the best possible weapon. They will provide more stability at speed, more cornering and braking grip and climb the loosest gravel steeps.
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 If rolling over a boulder makes a person more comfortable riding, how is that lame? There's some kind of Pinkbike mentality that if you're not in the air, you shouldn't be riding a bike because you're irrelevant. Your judgement and condemnation of a person based on their skill level, comfort level, choice of gear is what's lame.
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 That's ignorant. I like jumping over everything, and riding every section faster, so I'll take the 29. If one is a pussy, they will be awful at riding a long travel 29.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 9, 2013 at 3:47) (Below Threshold)
 Rolling over a boulder being easier on 29" is a blurry concept. Depends how big is the obstacle and if you have rigid/suspended/full suspended bike. If it the boulder is big enough (baby head size i already big enough to render it a myth) it is the suspension that takes bigger part in "rolling over" than wheel size. At some point wheel must be taken out of the way of the obstacle, so that it rolls above it while CoG of your body does not lift up with the BB and rest of the frame. More your body lifts with the wheel, as a result of coming upon an obstacle, the more momentum is lost, regardless of the wheel size being 26, 650b or 29". Off course all that given same tyre volume/ pressure, and same body movement applied to go over the obstacle. Sure! The axle of the wheel being higher over the obstacle give you a small sort of advantage, but it is only 33mm (29>26) of which not all can be considered as being utilized in such rolling over. 29ers roll better on small obstacles where attack angle is actualy smaller than on 26" wheel - That is gravel maybe some smaller roots, but not stuff from pictures above. If you rode on hypothetical flat, boulder infested trail on 29" XC racing HT, you would get your ass kicked by a 5lbs+ heavier 6" AM rig with 2,5" tyres, which off course would be much slower on a smooth trail. And I measured that... so we have the issue of acceleration, are we carrying enough speed to effectively roll through two boulders or do we have to accelerate between them.

Sure 29" Remedy will roll better than 26". But we do more on our bikes than rolling over obstacles... and to support 29" side of the argument, we do more than just jump around and whip. Pick your wea... no consider if you need a new weapon. Being curious of the new is 100% normal, thus should not be condemned. What should be condemned is bullshit and silently promising huge gains.
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 I jump the whole damn thing...
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 @Enduro27, By saying you can't air a 29'er you are basically saying that you are a weak wristed little girl. It's just lame. Do a pushup then huck it.
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 Have you ridden the Remedy 29er?

I would be hesitant to say things like that unless you have some evidence.
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 For the sake of my belief in humanity (which I have little anyways) was I negpropped for quality or volume of the content? Because what I wrote is perfectly true and logical, then I wrote it on a site so saturated with big wheel haters that I find that hard to understand. To make it short I meant: In general if obstacles get big enough, the quality and kind of suspension is more important than the larger wheel size. That is a counter argument to main selling points of 29" bikes...
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 29ers and 650Bs are like monster trucks... they fly just fine if you know how to drive them, and they crush stuff that ordinary tire sized 4x4s have trouble with regardless of how much suspension travel they have.
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 Don't monster trucks break all the time?

And compared to a baja truck, they're heavier, slower and need fire roads to drive on.
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 I've seen Baja trucks break often, and actually monster trucks can drive on practically any sort of road or terrain. The ground pressure is so low that mud, sand, snow, etc is floated over.
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 Mmm, I also like reading reviews and I am sure this bike is great, but better than teh sixer - why, and why not run them head to head and pole the testers? I am sure tehy big wheels roll great, but is the bike nimble and easy to hop, manual, jump and turn switchbacks- I ask simply because I know my bike does these things better than a friends 29er - in his opinion, not mine. I am interested in the DRCV damper. Is it to calm the bike down under pedalling? Is this a trait of the Trek/Split pivot suspension design they had to deal with via a custom shock??
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 @headshot - DirtTV did it with a noticable win for 29er on a Enduro kind track. 8s on 2,5min track or something. Companies can't run pole to pole tests as those would obviously reveal how small differences are and make people ask about the vast ocean of variables involved in experiment. So to get around that they prefer to spend money and time writing and illustrating lists of pros, charming you as much as they can so you won't ask for cons as if it was one universally better product for everybody, everywhere.

Perfectly understandable nr1: companies need cash flow
Perfectly understandable nr2: people are curious about the new stuff and are after the silver bullet, so they are willing to take risks
Perfectly understandable nr3: people are suspicious, don't like to be cheated so they express their concerns
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 I know carbon outclasses Alu in most ways, but that is pure pron
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 Yes, the frame (color) is great. It's a shame that when I look at the bike, all I can see are two huge wheels. But the 26" version is one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen.
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 Chrome, black, and red=2014 ...mclaren f1.
kinda refreshing from trendy lime green/sky blue stuff..but man, I've already seen 4 bikes w/these colors.
Yt, saracen, trek, ...
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 Yes, McLaren, that was the first thing I thought when I saw them.
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 I find the reviews over on Vital far more insightful and analytical/critical, even of those bikes that they like. They thrash the bikes and break them sometimes and heap praise or criticism no matter what the wheel size. This review reads more like an advertorial as do many on PB - save for RC's amazing pump review a few days ago.
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 On the whole, I find PB bike reviews to be more like advertorials. The Vital MTB reviewers like B Turman, really hammer the bikes, sometimes even break them and then offer real world crit and commentary that does not appear to emanate from the manufacturers marketing department.
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 I also just wanna point out that PB was apparently given a demo rig with 2014 spec shocks. My Remedy 8 29er (purchased in early July) came with 2013 spec shocks, and they're definitely a weak point on the bike.
  • 2 0
 Is the clunk actually coming from the clutch on the rear mech kicking out due to chain growth?
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 That was out first thought, but it isn't the case.
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 Brake pads are probably rocking when they start grabbing the rotor. I've had that happen with a lot of bikes and a lot of different brake brands. Any slight movement between pad and piston and CLUNK.
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 Mine Slash 2012 clunks like hell. Some say its the pads from Shimano Zee, but tried the stock Elixir 9 and the rear also made a hell of a noise (like the frame is breaking apart) when I'm going downhill and press the rear brake.

More on this topic (also a video of the clunk sound):
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 Thanks Mike for your fine review, looking forward to your reviews of the 650b Remedy. Also, looking forward to your future review of the 29 and 650b version of the Slash
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 29ers are for people who don't really have the ability to ride.corner,jump or do anything technical on a bike. But with their stupid wheels they can plough over stuff without having to shift their body weight or compensate impacts using their legs and arms. Every person I've seen on one is some dude wobbling all over the place then hitting straights fast just to crawl around corners. They're totally gay for gays. Lol
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 Is it just me or does the down tube of all trek 29's make you want to puke. Its just not right. I'm convinced the wheel hits the frame when fork is compressed.
  • 1 0
 Did this mod really just delete and entire thread? If that is the case I guess there is no point commenting here anymore.
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Remedy 29er + Jon Watt = fastest on every segment
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 I've been kinda waiting for all these long travel 29er's to come out. Smile to have something sit next to my Mach 5.7c
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 I realize that the suspension linkage is different, but at a glance the bike looks oddly similar to the giant trance x29!
  • 1 0
 Reads "29'r" in the title... *Sigh* better go get the popcorn. Looks like we're in for another long argument
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 Specialized Enduro 29, enough said.
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 I don't know if I really like that chrome color.
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 I honestly don't care how fast or better they are. The problem is they look so unbelievably turd. Even more so if your shorter than 6ft! Totally ridiculous.
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 Are you implying that 26" bikes look OK on people taller than 6'? I beg to differ
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 Nice bikes!
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 Those are the main reason I ride a 29er now. I still have the retro one, but only because it's my only bike that I don't mind locking up in the street.
  • 1 0
 i mean even an old bike shows when it is ridden purposefully and that is what looks nice. sure the proportions look funny.
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 Hipster 26ers!!! Its all about the looks.
  • 1 0
 There is spam in the comments.
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 Wagon wheels unite! Brahp
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 I like the reviews on V I t A L mTb better less like advertorials than Pb reviews, B turman is the ace reviewer there.
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 Q: How does a 26er ONLY rider change a lightbulb ?
A: He holds onto it and waits for the world to revolve around him.
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 Hey Deeight - quit doucheing up the world Sincerely, Your 15 comments nobody cares about
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 Here's a generic review for everything 29,'marketing rubbish, not needed, therefore crap'
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 Lol, at PB - my last three posts have just disappeared - was it because I mentioned a rival website that reviews bikes better than you do?
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 I'm the last one....
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 Not anymore Big Grin
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