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What's better than new? Giro wants your questions and thoughts on sustainability and apparel.Giro’s Renew Series apparel is made with recycled nylon, polyester, and elastane created from reclaimed fishing nets, plastic bottles and other debris. The reclaimed materials are regenerated into raw materials and then into fabrics that offer the same comfort, performance, and durability as fabrics made from virgin sources, while reducing environmental burden and improving the health of our oceans and planet.
We wanted to know more about the Renew Series initiative and hear Giro's thoughts as they continue to make progress on cycling apparel that’s more sustainable, so we thought it would be a perfect opportunity for you to ask Dain Zaffke, Margaux Elliott, and Eric Richter your questions.
Margaux Elliott – Apparel Product Manager & DeveloperMargaux manages the entire apparel line and spearheaded the Renew Series within Giro. She is responsible for bringing sustainable materials into the apparel line and continually looking for ways to improve. Margaux is a die-hard mountain biker, having raced enduros and the Trans NZ, this year she is focused on climbing 1,000,000 feet on her mountain bike.Eric Richter – Senior Brand Development ManagerEric helps manage the Giro brand globally and works with the Sales, Product and Marketing teams to develop new ideas and opportunities for the brand. He started riding mountain bikes in 1985 and still dreams about returning to ride the Umpqua River Trails one more time. Dain Zaffke – Senior Director of Marketing As a marketing guy, Dain has made a career of spending Giro’s money, giving away product and riding bikes. He prefers his coffee black and his trails steep and wild. He only occasionally breaks his arms and smashes his face on the ground. Dain only reads Pinkbike for the comments (particularly the comments from @WAKIdesigns and @NoahColorado). How ‘Ask Us Anything' Works: Starting at 10:00 AM PDT/6:00 PM BST on April 15th, you can type your questions for Giro into the comment box below this article and the guys will have a crack at answering them. Sometimes your answer will pop up in a few seconds; others may take a few minutes while Dain, Margaux an Eric work their way through questions that are popping up. Everyone who posts a question, large or small, will be taken seriously.
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2. How does Giro prove the Renew Series is more than just a marketing strategy to be cool and sell more products? How do customers know your brand actually cares about the environment? (this is a question I think about a lot as someone who wants to do branding/marketing in the outdoor industry)
3. It's hard to not talk about Patagonia in the area of sustainable apparel. Is Giro using Patagonia as a model/goal with this Renew Series or any other ways? Why or why not?
Thanks for taking time on these questions and thanks for taking a big step in the right direction with this series! I graduate in 2 weeks and am looking for a job so lmk if you need to fill a marketing or branding position www.rsulaski.com
1. That’s a great idea. We have looked into textile recycling and that is what I consider the next big step the industry needs to move towards…how to take these garments made from recycled materials and recycle them again into raw materials for new product. Unfortunately, the solutions there are under-developed but we are keeping our eye on it for the future. Keeping product in use as long as possible is the best solution for now, and a repair program is a great idea. We certainly encourage that so product can be used as long as possible. One of the biggest environmental issues with apparel is that generally people are buying more and using them for shorter periods of time. According to an article by Mckinsey, the average consumer bought 60% more apparel products in 2014 than 2000 and used them half as long…we encourage people to only buy apparel that they need and use them as long as possible. Our renew series is the “reuse” and “recycle”, but we need consumers to “reduce” for the full picture to improve. “Reduce, Reuse, Recycle”.
2. This is something that we have to earn over time. We are committed to making our line more sustainable every year and informing consumers about what we are doing to improve. This Q&A is a big part of that…we want to talk directly to people about this and answer any questions. I think the main thing we can do is provide metrics…for example, 79% of the mountain bike jerseys we sold last year were part of the Renew series and contained recycled material. That’s real, that’s not marketing and that’s a significant change from where we were 2 years ago (0%).
3. I definitely look to Patagonia as inspiration. Their leadership in sustainability is a major reason that there are more sustainable material options today.
-ME
Not making $30 disposable gloves that fall apart in a matter of weeks would be a good place to start if you really care about the environment.
I stopped wearing them after 2 months because they look like something a homeless person would wear.
Also never run thru the wash because I could tell they wouldn't hold up.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I know it's just gloves but this was the first and only Giro product purchased by me.
The stitching were the top meets the bottom pretty much fell apart.
I have a pair of Bell walmart gloves that have been washed 20 times and are 5 years old and the stitching is still perfect.
What should a consumer do with their old or replaced helmet ?
If it is recyclable then where does it end up ?
what could be a rational explanation of that?
We are confident in our work, and we look at the results of technologies like Spherical, which achieve very consistent 5-star results across Road, Trail and Full-cut designs, as evidence that we’re on the right path. Not to mention there are so many important factors in choosing the right helmet for you. We've always argued that you should never compromise comfort and ultimately the right helmet for me might not be the right fit for your head shape or your riding style. -DZ
Their work has been both praised and questioned by many, but their growing list of results does give the indication that rotational mitigation technology is performing as intended, as brands drive the use of that technology forward. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind when thinking about test results:
Cost: spending more money doesn't automatically equate to better impact management. Cost is driven by the complexity of molds, materials, labor and so on that define the final product. If you want the most ventilated helmet for instance, it’s going to cost more because the molds are a lot more complex, there are internal reinforcements required, it takes more labor and time to manufacture, etc.
Performance: inexpensive helmets can be made to be very effective at reducing impact. But basic physics will tell you there are trade-offs you make. You may get a bulkier helmet. It won’t offer the same kind of ventilation. It may not fit as well, Etc.
Test Results: VT is only one test methodology of many that we work with, and as we’ve said before, lab results cannot correlate exactly to your results from a real-world crash.
If doing so proved MIPS's effect minimal, what could be the next step to follow in helmet safety?
Point is... we're open to bribes, especially if your bribe can cover the cost related to accelerating a couple of years of development! -DZ
You're welcome. Dipped gloves last far longer and are far cheaper than anything stitched. Try them, I love them for trail building. I purchased this pack 2 years ago and still have like 6-7 pairs left and have gifted a few pairs to buddies. $1 per pair and better than any other stitched glove I've ever used.
Trail rider here. Ride 3 days a week, race Xc sometimes and do a few 30-40 mile races per year. Have been wearing giro privateers for last 5+ years. What new shoes should I get?
Sector, ventana, cylinder or privateer lace?
(I’m 180lbs and ride a trail bike with 130mm fork and 120mm rear sus)
Trail/Relaxed Fit: Roust Jersey (Renew Series) and Havoc Short (or Arc Short if you don't want the long inseam)
Gravel/Slimmer Fit than above with shorter inseam, more casual than the formfitting stuff below: Venture Jersey and Venture Short
Race/Formfitting: Chrono Expert Jersey & Bibs (All Renew Series products).
Also, The New Road Jersey is a nice option for a more casual look that is formfitting if you don't want bold colors/graphics.
-ME
helmet.beam.vt.edu
Know that we as consumers appreciated what Virginia Tech is doing and would truly appreciate if more helmets were included. It doesn't even have to be VT, but some third party testing group is really needed as right now it often feels like a crapshoot when trying to purchase a helmet that is actually safer rather than looking like it is.
Case in point, look at how many road helmets scored better in VT ratings than mountain bike helmets with much more robust coverage.
VT is only one test methodology of many that we work with, and as we’ve said before, lab results cannot correlate exactly to your results from a real-world crash. We always recommend choosing the right style of helmet for the type of riding that you do. -Dz
There is certainly room for improvement in how we communicate sizing. We have some ideas that we’ll be pursuing in the next several months to help riders achieve the best fit. For now we encourage people to try a helmet on at a dealer before they buy it. We understand that’s not always possible (especially right now with many people Sheltering in Place), which is why Giro has a great return policy on Giro.com and most of our dealers offer great return policies as well. -DZ
I have an pair of Giro Chamber II that I love! I'm also looking to buy a pair of Sector for my "gravel" riding.
I'm wondering if both have the same fit? Or should I size up for the Sector as it doesn't look as wide as the Chamber.
Thanks
Also, any chance of an insulated winter MTB shoe?
By the way I love the fit and colors/designs of a lot of your stuff!
The retail price of a helmet is directly related to the amount of engineering and resources put toward it. Plus other factors like the small features that make a good helmet a great one. Things like goggle grippers, eyewear docking grippers, adjustable POV visors, and the adjustability to get the fit dialed. Can you go out and have the ride of your life with a $40 helmet? Yeah, for sure. But for riders that demand attention to the details and more comfort and ventilation without sacrificing protection -- that stuff adds up. -DZ
Is the most comfortable glove you could possibly get, I can't be only me who sees that. Try your favourite gloves inside out and see.
If no one thought of it and you wanna make a glove thanks to my eye opening comment, I could accept a pair in gratitude.
p.s. The DND is near perfect, if only you could make the seams stronger...
"Inverting the seams on a glove is a great idea in the correct application. We mostly think about using that technique on winter styles that use thicker insulated fabrics. On a summer style glove inverting all the seams could make the excess fabric rub between your fingers but it is something to look into. If we do it @ismasan gets the credit.-JR"
For the past several seasons, My midweight Giro waterproof gloves have been the comfiest and some thermal Pearls are 2nd place. When I find that perfect glove, I'll buy a skid qty and keep them in a vault.
Here's a pic:
www.pinkbike.com/photo/18010733
I spoke with someone at the Giro distributor in Canada and he said the blue one and yellow version would be coming this spring. Is that still happening? They look so good.
Similar question to above, but more specific.
I can only wear giro helmets as they fit perfectly.
Unfortunately there is a gap in the line.
I almost never crash. I always overheat.
I want a helmet that is ventilated, but with better protection than the hex.
Switchblade was a big disappointment. It looks amazing and fits better. Unfortunately it is so poorly ventilated it's unwearable apart from mid-winter.
I want a helmet that it is 100% ventilated, with mips and a chinguard.
Fox are making some great looking helmets, but the fit is terrible.
Can you make a pro frame, but with giro style /fit?
The 5M Overshort (I think it was called that, the casual one with pockets) is one of my favorite pieces of apparel ever. Also loved the button up shirts. On the other hand the ultralight overshort without pockets was't so great (kind of a head scratcher and fragile) and some pieces were odd cuts/looks.
I'd love to see some of that stuff trickle back. Can still see the influence on the brand, but more Merino and semi-casual definitely have a place!
I think you kind of nailed it - there were some major wins in the line (5M overshort, button up shorts), then there were some flops...whether because of material, price, etc. Ultimately, the style and materials were awesome but we may have been a bit ahead of our time. We still feel there is a place for the merino and semi-casual product and will continue to expand on the "Venture" line we have now. -ME
I'll check the Venture stuff out! Thanks n' happy riding.
Longtime Giro gloves/shoes customer, they're the best (except for D'wool gloves that are coming apart after a few rides, yikes!)
My question about Renew line - despite the recycled nature of the fabric, does their degradation over time and disposal make them a less eco-friendly choice than a natural fabric like merino wool?
our just giving pages are blow as proof its not a scam
www.justgiving.com/fundraising/kevin-reid4
www.justgiving.com/fundraising/cazreid13
plus I could get ahead of the wife in the amount raised race..
Cheers Guys
But the official (pro-m store, gianni mi ha menato) could not provide that finish to me.
Can you tell me why?
Chuck from Italy
* jiff vs gif
And thanks for the NICA helmet, most appreciated
Coincidence or it has something to do with it ?
It’s an age old debate about media and credibility. I have a media background (I worked as an editor at Bike Magazine for four years), so I’m as conscious of that stuff as anyone else, and I’d argue that Pinkbike is as fair and ethical as any media outlet in the bike world. Probably the best thing, however, is the comment section. For real, I love PB’s comment section. There are some radicals in the mix, of course, that just want to stir up trouble, but for the most part, this comment section offers a real barometer of what’s working and what isn’t. There have been times that Giro has been ravaged in comments about certain products… and when that happens we have to acknowledge the reasons.
As for Vista and MIPS… we’re a customer to MIPS like so many other helmet brands. When Giro was owned by BRG Sports, our parent company had a minority investment share in MIPS. Since we were acquired by Vista in 2016 we have had no ties to MIPS other than as a customer. Giro has a great relationship with MIPS, and we worked hand-in-hand developing MIPS Spherical (the Giro/Bell proprietary ball-and-socket design), but MIPS cannot show Giro any preferential treatment or they would lose their other customers. (Just like PB can’t show any preferential treatment to Giro without losing other advertisers).
It’s also worth noting that Giro has no obligation to utilize the MIPS Brain Protection System. If we find a better technology, we’ll feel an obligation to incorporate it into our helmets. Providing the best protection isn’t just good for business, the Giro team is motivated to keep our friends and families as safe as possible.-DZ
I’m guessing you mean the Bicycle Nightmare collection, because that stuff is really pretty hip. It’s done really well. It was a limited collection, so key sizes went really fast. There’s been a lot of demand for styles like that because a lot of riders are turned off by bright colors. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. Personally, the gloss black Tyrant from that collection and the BN jersey have become my favorites. I don’t wear a black leather jacket, but I have a few friends that do and I’m often jealous of their sense of style -DZ
They're based in Santa Cruz.
The process for putting colors and graphics on in-molded shells is something that Giro invented and that every other brand uses now. It's a silkscreen process, and while we use inks formulated for this purpose and even clearcoat to help increase durability, some inks like florescent colors can more sensitive to UV degradation than others. Light at high altitude can also be more intense which can have an affect on color. And the amount of time a helmet is outside can also lead to fade, just as it does with almost any colored object.
Different strokes for different folks. We are guided by what our customers ask for. Have you seen the line we did with Bicycle Nightmares? That was one that I was personally really stoked on and it was the antithesis of flashy colored racing kits.
Overall, I believe Giro has the most balanced and sensible mix of loud and bold as well as subtle and dark. Maybe it's time you give the line another look? - DZ
But the Roust Black/Grey colorway is on the right track.