There's an old adage -
"light, cheap and strong - pick two." What do you prefer? Personally I'm always biased towards strength and/or performance, followed by price and then weight. I get many products to test and often the first question to be asked by peers is about the weight, and grams always a create a buzz in the comment section. I'm happy to slug a couple of extra pounds of weight up the hill if it means a more enjoyable, or reliable ride on the way down, instead I try to work on my own weaknesses or simply not worry about it on the way back up.
Examples that instantly struck up the weight debate include the Schwalbe Procore system and a gearbox bike I have had to test recently:
"200 grams extra per wheel? that's a lot" - but there are many advantages on the way down like decreased rolling resistance, increased grip, more reliability.
Hmm, that gearbox bike weighs 30.5lbs, X bike only weighs this much - benefits here include a better unsprung to sprung weight ratio and less chance of rocks destroying your pride and joy. Lightweight is sometimes proven to be faster, but I recently spoke to a team manager who had his rider test two different enduro bikes against the clock. The times proved him consistently faster on the heavier machine, but then he refused to race it because it was too heavy!
What do you look for in a product?
All hail kitchen scale.
Handlebars and cranksets: I like em carbon (light) and strong.
My fork:Who cares about the weight as long as it rides good and is dependable. I may switch from x fusion 34 to RS 35, maybe.
Wheels: I want light and strong rims (which are never cheap), but just about any hub will do for me. I'm currently torn between L-B 38mm wide and Flow ex. Whichever will be stiffer for my 29. I'm staying away from all the $1000+ wheels
Tires: I WANT them to be light, but lets be reasonable. They need to grip well and be durable enough to occasionally ride across triangle shaped rocks. I go middle weight 700-900grams but try to draw the line at 1000grams. I may switch from my current Schwalbe to WTB trails vigilante after these wear out.
I recently broke a chain, but they all weigh about the same right?
I pay absolutely no attention to the weight of my cassette, derailleur, shifter, brakes, rotors and grips. I usually run what was stock on my bike and never replace them unless something breaks.
I ramble so long to prove a point-
There were only four choices in the poll, but it's not always so black and white.
@ChampionP I would wait till LB releases their new asymmetrical 34/28mm rim, would be perfect for a 29er. 3mm edges is what matters for strength.
Most strength possible for a decent amount of weight, not too heavy, but not sacrificing strength for weight. Price is not very vital (lucky me).
No black and white here either...
And to those that are fine pushing 35lb bikes up a mountain I'm happy for you. Just don't assume I overpaid for shaving grams.
There is a positive side though - 'I just ride my bike' scored well.
lmao
You just broke the lighter/stronger/cheaper rule by introducing the fourth dimension. Well done!
Its Gwin/win situation!
DH I don't care about weight within reason, coming from a Motocross background MTB bikes are really light.
Enduro with a lot of climbing I want something fairly light but yet strong enough not to break.
XC the lighter the better, I don't want to slug a heavy bike up big climbs.
Just my two cents worth.
sometimes REALLY hard to find, but there are products out there wich are light, not expensive and able to take real beating.
i dont care about "bling", trends and mainstream-opinions. I just ride what works, is fun and durable. a lightweight bike is more fun to ride, but in the moment you need to start thinking if your wheelset will collapse on the next sketchy landing the fun is kinda limited...
Two main reasons I ride are for fun and exercise. So I factor in reliability/performance first, it's is not fun when sh&t breaks on you in the middle of your ride, does not last or performs like crap. Little extra weight (within reason) means that I just get a little better workout.
1) Reliability
2) Performance
3) Cost
4) Weight
-WTF do you eat dude? I've been weighing my poop and I can't seem to get over 200 grams! Plus it's really pissing my room mates off having a shit covered kitchen scale!
'can have cheap, light and strong only if buying used'
I think we're actually closer to parity on the light/cheap/strong equation than ever before. Things may be more expensive, but they're also way lighter and way stronger than the stuff we used to buy.
One example - hubs and rotors. I've chosen DT 240s hub with centerlock disc mount. Centerlock hubs are lighter, always, but the rotors are average. But the Shimano RT-99 rotors are hands down the best rotors on the market. Their weight is on the trail side while their strength is on the tandem/DH side. Same stuff with my crankset, I've bought an XTR 9020 Trail with a OneUp 30T NW chainring. Am I a weight weenie because my crank is only 535 grams but still heavier than a carbon made Race Face Next SL Cinch? I don't think so, I went for strength over weight because the Shimano crank is alloy made ...
Am I a weight weenie? I don't know but if I can have a decent weight with a decent strength I'm more than happy to pay for it
I'm not planning on paying €5 per Ti bolt though, so not paying €60 just to get Ti rotor bolts.
... Ti bolts just look cool ...
I'm saying that because i know carbon for bikes always fail's, soon or later and it snaps suddenly so bad that if you bare in mind that, riding will not be the same. All that marketing game of weight is a play with the devil i've seen broken carbon rims while riding DH, i've seen bad landings due to failed carbon crank, i've seen seat if in the *** after not a big drip carbon seat exploded, I recently saw a carbon bar snapping after a average drop and broken collar bone after that, so, so far i really look more for strength and durability prior to light weight and plastic stuff.....
very very small range of applications there is marketing trick running around to get your cash and break your neck.
In MTB bikes there is much more torsional forces, flexibility ambient temperatures and so on as well, carbon tends to develop micro fractures quite easy due to weather changes, bad riding, bad settings crash failure or so be wise what choose, choose life, choose job, choose your f*** career but don't choose marketing tricks
I'd like to see more parts made from magnesium like shimano/trek...until graphene can be used.
I buy the lightest and strongest stuff from 5 years ago; ends up being pretty cheap.