Replay: Downhill - Crankworx Rotorua 2024

Mar 16, 2024 at 4:56
by Pinkbike Staff  

Check out all the action from the RockShox Taniwha Downhill, the first stop of the Crankworx World Tour 2024.

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122 Comments
  • 82 0
 Damn that Pivot prototype folded like paper
  • 26 14
 Good luck marketing team after that yikes
  • 23 2
 Think damaged at hardline to break off that?
  • 7 5
 That wheel blowing up last year at hardline and now this. Needs a bike to hold up for em
  • 6 3
 Back to the drawing board...
  • 10 0
 Damnnnn. I wonder if it was on its way during his run. He seemed off the pace. Trek union nice!
  • 56 9
 @IsaacO: it's a prototype. No need to be dramatic...
  • 8 0
 @Joe89: would make sense - wonder if he felt it and hence the speed.
  • 12 6
 @ruckuswithani: you must be new here, welcome to the comment section where everything is blown out of proportion
  • 17 4
 That shit was brutal....What a Pivotal moment!
  • 14 0
 It’s not like it finished 2nd or anything
  • 3 18
flag MattQEkBp1 (Mar 16, 2024 at 22:19) (Below Threshold)
 Only bike I’ve seen break like that is a canfield balance
  • 9 2
 @ruckuswithani: exactly. Was talking to Matt walker yesterday, those are purely Prototypes where they playing around with different layups. Production models will be full carbon.
  • 5 8
 @mathewnz4936989: also uses lugs to join the tubes and that is a known weak point in that design! it did look like maybe the front was behaving a bit odd during his run so maybe already compromised?
  • 17 4
 The pivot was about as structurally sound as a carbon fibre submarine
  • 2 2
 @multialxndr: its actually probably for the same reason titanium glued to carbon fiber!
  • 4 0
 @IsaacO: LOUD NOISES
  • 16 0
 My first thoughts are that I hope BK is OK and back riding and making more LSD videos soon.
My thoughts on the crash are this.....
In his Hardline Tasmania videos he mentioned bending pedals several times so we're these because of pedals strikes or very heavy landings from jumps ?.
The super slow motion shots of his landing from the road gap test did show a lot of flex so coupled with the pedal damage was the frame checked afterwards ?.
I suppose with it being a prototype design this has added another job role to the busiest man in mountain biking that of Test Pilot, it's just very unfortunate that the frame suffered this failure on live TV and not during a private testing session.
  • 4 2
 @biggelmo: He never posted his Hardline pre race test video of him crashing on the longer last jump, he had some noticeable cuts and bruises afterwards, possibly a broken frame that time too.
  • 1 0
 @jamesbriancrilly: oh you reckon he hit the 100’ as well??
  • 2 1
 @Joe89: He cut his youtube short as he was going up the take-off, never posted the full clip.
  • 5 0
 @jamesbriancrilly: he was braking bro. You see him come to a complete stop. I just rewatched it.
  • 1 1
 @Joe89: looks like the clip I was referring too has been cut out of that vlog. He was definitely carrying some wounds post that course testing trip.
  • 5 0
 Damn Bernard, hope you're okay brother. I made mention about 2wks ago of the issue with bonding aluminum to carbon and the expansion difference between the two. It will eventually delaminate from air travel causing such drastic temperature swings. I heard this was something Calfee a road bike company learned the hard way over a decade ago. They switched to Ti apparently because the 2 were more similar in expansion properties. Atherton's have that advantage, probably more by accident than anything but also they have double shear lap joint on the lug... something like that. It has a pocket that grabs the inside and outside of the tube that it slides into. Not just a hole like a traditional lug.
  • 5 3
 @IsaacO: it's a prototype lugged frame. if anything it's massive viral content for Kerr, Red Bull and Crankworx. Pivot isn't involved. That frame is proven and if they choose to turn the design into production it won't be lugged. It will be a carbon molded design. Prototype frames are made cheaply without molds to test performance. Kerr probably didn't have another one on the road down under. Guessing he knew it was at its end and road it anyway.
  • 3 1
 Wow, that was brutal! Here ya go

youtu.be/L3d8Ygx7-ls?si=3ztWIWE5nj9myruM
  • 1 0
 @waxed: Most people aren't old enough to remember ALL of the brands with aluminum/mixed material lugged bikes in the first few years of the 90's. They were beautiful, but the bonded (not brazed/soldered) lugged frames failed a lot by hard or high mileage riders. I had 2 frames fail, my brother had 1, one of our team mates had one fail at 45mph in a heavy G out, not a jump or landing, BB hit the floor and was in the hospital for 3 weeks with a list of broken bones and 2 surgeries. Saw 3 different brands walk in the shop in 2 pieces. At some point, external aluminum rivets were added to the joints to help stop the separation, even saw one with a loose joint and a rivet. It creaked loudly. Then as quickly as those bonded frames appeared, they disappeared. Failures were way too high. Bonded is a technique/design I would never endorse or stand behind in a rough and tumble application.
  • 3 34
flag likeittacky (Mar 17, 2024 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 @MikeGruhler: Interesting ,science i can get behind unlike the science of 6 ft, lockdowns, mask wearing and vaccines !!!!
  • 1 12
flag likeittacky (Mar 17, 2024 at 10:29) (Below Threshold)
 @oldschool43: As @MikeGruhler mentioned Titanium handles the Gee-out!
  • 1 0
 @BermSkid72: I understand the cost of development was $20k per frame? I think this aluminum lugged glued carbon is about producing a bike relatively quickly compared to making a carbon mold.
  • 3 0
 @bikeys: yes. no molds. CNC'd lugs. Glued carbon tubes. Easy to change geo and test. if you have a CNC shop in house it's very cheap and easy. This isn't a Pivot design issue. This is a test frame that should have been retired after Hardline issue.
  • 2 0
 @IsaacO: you do know that any production bikes are going to be full carbon with no bonded lugs?
  • 2 0
 @jamesbriancrilly: he had some noticeable cuts on his forehead and forearms - tough muthatrucker
  • 3 5
 @jokermtb: The dude has taken some of the gnarliest medieval crashes throughout his career! This one always scares the crap out of me!

youtube.com/shorts/m8-UYFyJys8?si=Wq5-2--RX3vuxxJV
  • 2 0
 @cypher74: y’all are missing the point. You’re all right, doesn’t mean consumers who don’t know otherwise (which is many) will make misinformed decisions. Subtle things make consumers choose one brand over another.
  • 7 1
 @likeittacky: back again with more bs eh?
  • 2 5
 @Saucycheese: What, You still believe and follow the fake news science propaganda. BAHAHAA!!
  • 2 0
 @Saucycheese: he takes bitchcoin
  • 2 0
 @likeittacky: you're on a bike website dude. Go back to licking Joe Rogan boots
  • 1 2
 @Saucycheese: She takes PayPal Pimp
  • 1 3
 @Saucycheese: The perfect venue to inform the misinformed the fact they are being lied to and used.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: your trolling needs work. It’s not original.
  • 1 1
 @Saucycheese: You should know
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: the difference from me is that I'm not a weed growing out from the anti vax crack you jumped down. But you're so convinced that no reasoning will ever change you
  • 38 0
 Holy shit seeing Bernard's Pivot break in half is the stuff of nightmares.
  • 12 0
 At first I thought the front wheel taco'd. When I saw the replay and noticed the head tube snap in half I was like WTF. He took the wheel right to the face and got his hand caught in the spokes on the way down. Just brutal.
  • 7 21
flag HeatedRotor FL (Mar 16, 2024 at 21:34) (Below Threshold)
 @vitaflo: not sure the headtube broke, looks like the lower tube failed... as expected with curved carbon tubes.
  • 3 0
 @HeatedRotor: It was a bit hard to see, but def the bike broke in half somewhere.
  • 4 1
 @HeatedRotor: im pretty sure it snapped where the carbon joins the lugs!
  • 1 5
flag HeatedRotor FL (Mar 17, 2024 at 0:13) (Below Threshold)
 @waxed: checkout my reply to the other comment(yours). looks pretty clear whats actually happend.
  • 36 0
 Hope BK is OK. That was a gnarly.
  • 10 0
 Someone talking sense instead of opinions on a frame they’ll never ride

BK’s right arm and definitely wrist took a horrible impact and angle combo and his hand looked limp in the replays so hopefully he’s all good.

Tough unit to be up and around at trackside after that!
  • 1 0
 He is fine, no issues, see Instagram story
  • 26 0
 2 chains now 2 bikes...
  • 18 0
 Amazing run by Taylor Waite, and monster run by Lachie. And Eliana putting down a run and a half too. Pity there's no footage on the top section.
  • 2 0
 Is it Tyler or Taylor?
  • 6 1
 @Roost66: It is Tyler. That was predictive text from texting my daughter too much over Taylor Swift! Ahhh..shits n giggles...
  • 12 0
 The course preview looks like it was filmed on a potatoe mounted to a fidget spinner
  • 6 0
 I wish I had a potato mounted to my fidget spinner
  • 3 0
 @xciscool: just cut a hole in a potato and put a skate board bearing in it..
  • 1 0
 Why even use that footage? That was horrible. Did they use a Hero 3 to get that?
  • 1 0
 1. Cut a hole in a potato. 2.
  • 10 0
 Eeesh headtube snap on Kerr’s Pivot
  • 4 15
flag HeatedRotor FL (Mar 16, 2024 at 21:36) (Below Threshold)
 headtube didnt break, carbon tube failed at the curve.... was pointed out on vital awhile ago it was a weak spot.
  • 4 0
 @HeatedRotor: why are you so sure of this lugged carbon fiber tubes are not as strong as full carbon so that would be the weak point plenty of curved carbon bikes about!
  • 2 4
 @waxed: its more about the loading of a smaller area. however on BK's bike it looks like its become debonded between the alloy and carbon.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: Where can we see these photos?
  • 1 1
 @HeatedRotor: doubt that its just two different materials that behave/flex different attached to each other, the epoxy is unlikely to let it just pull out, the lugs have an outside and inside tube that the carbon is glued and pressed into! but who knows hopefully he will show it in his lsd and not hide it as i think we would all like to know why!
  • 2 5
 @waxed:
Hope for pivots sake i am right about the seperation of the two materials from a glue failure.
  • 5 1
 @HeatedRotor: i think he damaged it when he tested the road gap at hardline watch the clips and look at the amount the bike flexes.
  • 2 3
 @waxed: I've compared Bernards Bikes from this crash to Queenstown videos and still images, the carbon tubes are still in tact and Have a different shading from where they were in the headtube lug.

to compare yourself: go to vitals racing talk thread and look at the image and compare to photos/videos, you can see it
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: you could be right check this out looks like its just single wall not double!

flowmountainbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Pivot-Factory-Tour-07566.jpg
  • 3 1
 @waxed: Confirmed as glue failure. see the vital images. and this:
gyazo.com/03df70ce0dd8f52470ddfb4c8664ff7e
  • 4 0
 @HeatedRotor: looks like the tubes pulled out of the lugs.....wonder if all the airline flights that bike had (cold luggage cargo holds - then hot stuffy tasmaninan weather) may have affected the glue, with some rapid contraction and expansions at the different materials of the lug/carbon connection? Stranger things have happened....?
  • 6 0
 @jokermtb: Boeing has joined the chat.
  • 7 0
 Lachie's run was savage! That Pivot prototype head tube failure was brutal, these bikes take such a serious beating you would think they would retire them after something like Hardline.
  • 1 0
 Let’s talk more about Lachie’s run! It was lairy as f
  • 9 2
 Holy headtube snap batman. lucky that wasn't at hardline
  • 8 1
 Bernie is finding new pivots
  • 5 2
 Actually it’s a flex stay for less maintenance.
  • 2 0
 @xciscool: Single use
  • 2 0
 Genuine question re. BK's frame malfunction. After reading the comments here and on the other thread he's been on a 'prototype' frame for best part of a year and a half from what I can make out. If so, when does a prototype frame run its course and become a fully fledged production bike/frame? seems a long time to tweek and refine TBH..???
  • 3 1
 When it enters production for retail sale…?
  • 4 0
 16 year olds stole the riding show!!
  • 1 1
 Pivot is excited to release its new on the fly geometry adjustment instantly making your new phoenix longer, lower and slacker! Bernard Abuse Mechanism (BAM) Instantly converts your geo by simply casing a gnarly triple on the back of weeks of bike abuse and guinea pigging insane features at hardline
  • 2 0
 Place your bets! Who’s your top 5?
  • 2 0
 Mr Kerr
  • 4 2
 Rob love's saying the name of that forest :p
  • 2 1
 Saying it incorrectly, mind you.
  • 6 0
 He did get the t in Rotorua a couple of times lol. Gotta say the Crankworks is so much more watchable with Rob on the mic.
  • 2 0
 @Wozza-nz: After 20 odd years here in NZ (from UK) I'm only just starting to pronounce my T's again Wink _ last year I stopped watching the GMBN guys on YouTube at the "Sea Ooeer" classic, drove I mad!
  • 2 0
 Exciting racing!
  • 1 1
 Was definitely a headtube snap. Brutal! No chance to react. Hope BK is okay for World Cup coming up soon.
  • 2 1
 For a second it was a Grim Pivot Donut Hope he is Okay
  • 1 0
 A slap in the face caps an engaging race
  • 3 2
 A frame should never fail like that one did.
  • 1 3
 “ pivot point technology “ … although an odd place to have a pivot point in my books
  • 1 2
 I wonder who his new mechanic will be?
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