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5 Things We Learned from EDR World Cup Finale Ligure 2024

May 14, 2024 at 20:13
by Sarah Moore  
Ella Conolly on Stage 2
Ella Connolly took 3rd place in Finale Ligure but said it was a race to get to the start of each stage.

1. It's really hard to find the sweet spot when designing an enduro race course.

Finale Ligure had Crankzilla 2014 vibes with tight transfer times that made just getting to the top of each stage a struggle for many riders. In addition to tight times between the stages, it was a hot day, which added to the challenge.

After a flat on Stage 1, Evan Wall said that the effort to make it up to Stage 2 with the tight transition time after putting a tube in meant that he wasn't able to fuel properly and "left me with brutal cramps and fatigue that I wasn’t able to recover from for the rest of the day." Helping your fellow racers with their mechanicals has always felt like part of the spirit of enduro racing, but with tight liasion times, it's not something that can happen. Even without a mechanical, Remi Gauvin said that it was "one of the biggest fitness races we have ever had in my opinion." Even Matthew Fairbrother, a glutton for punishment, said that it was "a savage race, full gas from start to finish, liaisons were tight, stages were pedally, combined with the heat made for a good battle all day long. Loved it and hated it."

Women's race winner Harriet Harnden said that she much prefers "dropping into a stage when my muscles are still warm from the climb. Rather than waiting, getting cold and having to put a max effort out on the stage from cold," but it's worth keeping in mind that she used to be a cross-country racer.

None of the other women seemed to feel similarly, with Isabeau Courdurier saying that "it was the most physical day we had in a while and at one point it felt like an enduro marathon where you can’t even stop to properly feed yourself." Women's 3rd place finisher Ella Connolly said she "raced up to get to the stages on time then tried to do something that resembled racing on the way down" while 5th place finisher Rae Morrison called it an "absolute savage day out with long stages, tight liaisons, the heat, and a crash".

On the other side, we've had races in the past couple of years where riders have said that the days aren't long or physical enough. In 2015, the year after the infamous Crankzilla, we saw lots of lift access at the Whistler round, before a middle ground was found in 2016. Treading that line between an adventure and a gruelling XC marathon on long-travel bikes is a fine balance.

In this case, the race was too challenging, with 14/98 (14.3%) of elite men not finishing the race and 9/31 (29%) of elite women DNF. For comparison, last year at the same venue, only 5% of men DNFed and 8.1% of women.

Richie Rude continued hie winning ways in Finale with Charlie Murray and Martin Maes just behind
Your top three men were born in 1995 (Richie Rude), 1996 (Charlie Murray) and 1997 (Martin Maes).

2. A rider in their prime is a rider in their prime, regardless of what discipline they race in.

Despite what some might have said in the past, that enduro is the category of racing that downhillers go to once they're done with downhill, the average year of birth of the podium for the top 10 in enduro and downhill is almost the same. The average year of birth of the top 10 Elite Men in Fort William was 1995, which is only a year off what it was in Finale Ligure at 1994. If we compare that to the XC side, which you might think would be older, the top-10 in the men's category at the last World Cup in Araxa had an average age of birth of 1995.

For the women, the average year of birth of the top 10 enduro racers was 1994, while in Fort William at the first downhill round, riders were four years younger on average in the top ten with the average year of birth at 1998. The XC riders at the last round in Araxa were closer to the same age as the enduro riders, with 1995 being the average year of birth of the top 10 Elite women.

So do they go to E-EDR now then? Well, guess what, while the oldest riders of the spread might be in the E-EDR category, the average year of birth of the top 10 Elite men racing eMTB is still 1995. There were only seven women in the E-EDR category, with that having the oldest average age at 1991.

1st to start the 2024 season for Harriet Harnden
Harriet Harnden was able to best the French in Italy.

3. Hattie Harnden is only the second non-French female rider to win in Finale Ligure.

While on the men's side, we've seen French, Canadian, Australian, American, and French winners in Finale Ligure in the past nine years we've seen racing on the Italian hillside, on the women's side, the race has been won by French women in seven of the past ten years. Now however, Harriet Harnden is the second British rider to defeat the French in Finale Ligure after Tracey Moseley did so in 2013 and 2015.

However, despite the French women's dominance in Finale Ligure, Isabeau Courdurier has still never won in Finale Ligure. While she's won the overall three times and has countless wins, she missed out on yet another win at the famed venue with her second place. She announced in the press conference before the race that she'll be sitting out the 2025 season to start a family, but hopefully the desire to finally taste victory in Finale Ligure be enough to bring her back between the race tape.

Kasper Wooley is healthy and in the mix once again

4. The YT Mob enduro squad can't catch a break.

Jack Moir broke his hand during a training ride in February 2023 and then washed out during practice ahead of the Finale Ligure round this year and was forced to sit the race out since he didn't have the grip strength to hold onto the handlebars. His teammate Kasper Woolley injured his spleen during a training ride in March 2023.

Three injuries since March of 2023 is a lot for a team of three (Moir and Woolley are joined by Christian Textor on the team) in under a year and we hope to see all the riders fit and healthy for the rest of the season.

Local hero Mirco Vendemmia knows every inch of these hills and took 4th
Italian champion Mirco Vendemmia on his way to an impressive fourth place.

5. There's a big local's advantage in enduro racing.

Unlike downhill, where riders race the same tracks year after year and get ample time to memorize every line on one track, you get very limited time to practice in enduro and the trails that are a part of the race course each year change a huge amount. While there's still the boost of the home crowd in downhill, being a local to an area and knowing every trail on Trailforks makes a much bigger difference in enduro racing.

We've seen it before with Marcelo Gutierrez taking second at EWS Manizales in Colombia in 2018, a third place for Ines Graham in the Tweed Valley in 2022, and even Pinkbike's own Christina Chappetta taking 6th place at EWS Whistler in 2018, to name a few.

At Finale Ligure, Italian champion Mirco Vendemmia finished an impressive fourth in the elite men's category riding for WeRide Exept Factory team. His best Elite result before this year outside of Italy was a respectable 21st, but last year he finished, 56, 49, 13 (in Finale Ligure), 34, 34 and DNFed twice.

Other facts:
• Despite a foot injury just a month ago, there was no slowing down a charging Hattie Harnden as she went eight seconds faster than 2023 series champion Isabeau Coudurier.
• Tracy Moseley podiumed in the Finale Ligure EWS in 2013 and 2015 and is still racing in 2024 in the E-EDR, with a second place finish this past weekend.
• EDR and E-EDR are on separate days, but since they share a highlights video, it means an extra day of waiting for the race highlights.
• Stage 4 was cancelled due to an incident on the Rocche Gianche course.
• It's as hard as ever to follow the live timing.
• Greg Callaghan got 7th in his first EDR as privateer, one of his best results in a while.

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  • 81 15
 Enduro is supposed to be a mix of gravity + endurance, with emphasis on the gravity. The events are supposed to be hard, and even hot, given that the season is late-spring through summer.

"Loved it and hated it." is appropriate.

Some enduros are relying too much on lift access, which is kinda contrary to the spirit of the whole game. At some races, the transfers are replaced with lift rides when it's hot.
  • 55 63
flag Linc (May 14, 2024 at 22:46) (Below Threshold)
 The sweet spot for enduro should be about showcasing a set of technical bike skills that aren’t there in DH anymore. Low speed corners. Awkward pinches. Narrow flat corners. Weird rooty gullys. Little tech rock gaps.

The most technically skilled rider should still win. Always.

If I cared about fitness I’d watch road cycling.
  • 28 1
 @Linc: Those are definitely not contradictory, to race enduro on the highest level you need to be fit as f*ck anyway. However if those people complain, it must have been very tough. I think it should be descend biased but shuttles should be limited.
  • 30 1
 Isn't the main point of enduro racing climbing from one stage to the other? I guess that last seasons trend to have one, two or even three lifts during the day has confused many new enduro pro riders.
  • 8 3
 @Linc: world's best athletes complaining how tough the course was...wow...have not heard anyting similar in other sports to be honest...I don't doubt their fitness but e-bikes and shuttling obviously don't help that much in training...luckily for them, Bielsko will be a walk in the park in terms of climbing...
  • 5 0
 @katko: Yeah, I think that in Bielsko there should be no shuttling. Now it's like 900m of climbing total (3x Kozia góra). Could be 1500 if no gondola was used. Sometimes I am doing more for a lunch ride ...
  • 11 0
 @escaqimat: Not necessarily. That's how it was on the very first local races, but mostly in link to the lack of infrastructures. The first Enduro Series (the french one) relied a lot on lift, and only diversified over time, probably also because relying on a resort might be a limitation.
I think lifts can be part of the game, as long as it's not 100% lift access. But on the other hand if you have to race uphill, then the timing is wrong. This is not part of the race, though I like the idea of the time limitation, as it used to be on local races.
  • 2 0
 Ok, they also limb Cyberniok from gondola, so another ~300m climb. So max 1200 total (rounded up).
  • 7 0
 And I guess to Hattie Harnden's differing opinion, yes she's XC but perhaps memories of the day differ when you win!
  • 18 4
 @Linc: "If I cared about fitness I’d watch road cycling." You should stick to Nitro Circus, then
  • 18 1
 If the purpose of the enduro format is to better represent typical riding, then yeah, let's have a few events with intense climbing and a few that are easier on the cardio. And let's have some wide open, high speed stages and some tight and janky ones.

In everyone's group of friends, there will be the DH specialist who may be too exhausted to ride their best after a climb, and the super fit friend who isn't phased by the climb and needs all the mental clarity they can get to keep up on the descent. An enduro event strikes a good balance when both of these riders can be competitive. We already have XC and DH to represent the ends of the spectrum, so enduro can span much of the range between; it doesn't have to be just downhill racing with water bottles.

Regarding the DNF stats: In the Araxá World Cup XC races, approximately 50% of the XC field was pulled off the course before finishing due to being lapped, so 14% and 29% of the field not finishing a particularly challenging enduro seems reasonable.
  • 4 1
 They are all just lazy - I was there two weeks agao for two days of riding and the secret is to have a big time lunch break with pasta or focaccia and a big old gelato at the end of the day! maybe Francesco should calm stuff down for next time
  • 38 2
 The point of the athletes who complained was not the climbing itself. It was transfer times being too short for the conditions and amount of climbing. Guaranteed that most of these riders are in a different league of fitness than pinkbike couch commentators, so if they are saying that it was too hard compared to previous races then it was too hard. Climbing should be a part of enduro but not to a point where it compromises the health and safety of the racers.
  • 2 0
 @Linc: yeah fitness only for gainning as much altitude as possible. Then focus on providing the best stages adding phisichal bits only if its strictly necessary for a good long run...
  • 5 10
flag chrismac70 FL (May 15, 2024 at 4:33) (Below Threshold)
 @Upduro: I’m sure they are super fit. But they choose to ride massively heavy bikes that weigh more than those ridden by the dh racers up long hills. Of course they have to have a reliable bike but perhaps they need to look more closely when there aren’t uplifts to take the pain away
  • 11 1
 @chrismac70: what’s the alternative, riding a lighter bike that is more prone to technicals, which you can’t repair because you don’t have the time?
  • 2 0
 @katko: it’s not an xc race
  • 6 5
 Why should there be an emphasis on Gravity? That's what DH is for........It should be a mix of skills, climbing, descending, riding flat sections, etc The current Enduro is basically multi stage DH.

And it bares little resemblance to motorcycle Enduro which isn't just riding downhill......
  • 5 0
 @Starch-Anton: It has always been a gravity discipline. They started it by racing friends on trails that would be impossible to get to with a DH bike unless you walked. I agree that some flat sections or even short punchy up hills on a stage are great.
- I agree with someone above, I don't think anyone was complaining about the transfers themselves, just the time given to complete them, an extra 5 minutes for the men and 10 for the women would have helped a lot.
Mechanicals can't be fixed? They are part of the race and the bike has to hold up as well, I get that it can happen to anyone at anytime, but enduro racing wants to reward the rider AND bike that holds up all day.
My take on up lifts for enduro, use them where it makes sense but maybe one at most? I can see this could also benefit getting better coverage but with how bad the coverage is then that is bad point.

Also, think of it this way, if there are 300 riders between all categories and they start them every 30 seconds, that is 150 minutes (2.5 hours) from the start of the first rider to the last rider. They will likely take 5-10 minutes between categories too, so that could be 3+ hours just to "start the race".
They have to keep the event moving along.
  • 2 0
 I agree, though feel that maybe the dial could be turned down just a bit to find that sweet spot.
  • 3 3
 @jimmythehat: Sure, but the climbs are part of the race. I guess they knew the time limits in advance and everyone knows every road and trail in Finale now. The weather was hot? Really? Tell that to the XCO riders who raced in Romania at the European championships.
  • 3 4
 @Upduro: yes that's the alternative. And yes, that's a game that racers on pretty much every discipline have to play: how to balance weight Vs reliability on their bike setups. Athletes on XC do that, gravel the same, bikepacking (ultras) as well.

I see no reason why enduro organizers have to design their races around the heaviest possible bike setup that the racers might want to choose
  • 3 0
 @chrismac70, @Upduro;

It's a good question! (re: Lighter/faster rolling bikes vs. reliability.) With current equipment and current courses, the balance favours DH or almost-DH (ex. Double Down) casings. Even with the tight transfer time limits at Finale Ligure, it would've been a huge risk to use anything more supple - did you see those rocks, especially on Stage 4?!

A good argument in favour of making races resemble consumer behaviour - whether that's enduro, automotive racing, etc. - is that technological advances for the racers will be more applicable to consumer products. One of the reasons I favour burly World Cup XC courses and climbing-intensive enduro courses is that it's driving development of tire casing design.

I agree with you, Upduro, that current options force enduro racers to use equipment that's a chore on the climbs, and I agree with you, chrismac70, that enduro racers could benefit from lighter and faster-rolling equipment. So, tire manufacturers, we're waiting ...
  • 7 3
 @Upduro: "Climbing should be a part of enduro but not to a point where it compromises the health and safety of the racers". Yes, this! After practice, before the race, many athletes communicated their concerns about inappropriate transfer times to the race director. No action was taken, and the mess that ensued (with multiple athletes getting injured was the outcome. That number of WC athletes DNFing is telling. No WC athlete wants to DNF and will do whatever they can to finish a race. At least some of these athletes choose to DNF rather than subject themselves to serious health issues and/or injury. And that really sucks. This race was a total gong show at best and at worse was very dangerous and unsafe. With changing stage start times mid race, miscommunication (some racers knowing about the time extension, some not), racers arriving at the same time with conflicting start times (with no time to work it out as they'd just sprinted for the past 75 minutes to make it to their stage on time) and racers from different cats dropping in at the same time, it is no wonder more athletes were not seriously injured. You cannot have a pro men dropping in 30 seconds after a U21 women on a stage and not expect there to be carnage. That is awful for both racers not to mention so dangerous. That should never happen, especially at a World Cup event. I would not be at all surprised for these athletes to feel unheard, mistreated and taken advantage of.
  • 3 1
 @dhgirly: I agree, we definitely don't want to put athletes under undue physical duress. The questions are whether this was undue duress and, if so, how so?

Accuweather says the high that day was 18°C. Even if it felt a little warmer - it was certainly sunny - the weather wasn't unreasonable.

Events with vastly greater physical demands exist. No one is saying enduro is or should be about pushing the limits of physical endurance, but if XC racing can exist, let alone 160 km off-road ultramarathon running events in temperatures up to 50°C and Ironman triathlons (3.9 km swim, 180.2 km ride, 42.2 km run), then surely 39 km of riding with 2139 m of climbing in room-temperature weather isn't inherently dangerous for a professional mountain biker. It would exhaust my soft, middle-aged body, but these are supposed to be world-class athletes and only a couple courses per year are so physical.

If we look more closely at the riders who DNF'd, there are a few top riders, but it's mostly the lesser-known riders. The usual suspects finished on top, including some stoutly built riders who are carrying a lot of muscle mass - it's not like Tom Pidcock and Yolanda Neff suddenly won an EDR round due to an outlier course or exceptional conditions.

Every athlete has unique strengths and it seems fair to have a balance of less demanding courses that favour a pure DH rider and courses that favour riders with high fitness.
  • 39 0
 In my mind at least, stage DH is different than enduro. The appeal of the sport for many was always how it reflected the winch and plummet type of riding so familiar to plenty of us. The racing format in its turn put pressure on brands to optimise bikes for that, to the benefit of the consumer. Also interesting was the idea of the enduro racer as a very complete athlete, capable not only of performing in the timed DH stages but also of racking up the Kms and elevation gain. This might be an idealistic view of the sport, but nevertheless on shared by many. Fast forward to today and, at least in the public's perception, enduro progresses more and more into stages DH. The athletes will do their job, which is optimizing for the conditions, so no wonder that some felt a bit conflicted about this week's event
  • 32 0
 Pretty much agree with that . I think it was a mistake to standardise the format. I preferred it when every venue had its own style to suit , tweed valley was racing over 2 days , Ireland was one day race , France was one practice run followed immediately by the race run etc etc kept things fresh for fans and riders alike and a series winner would be the best all round rider that year .
  • 5 0
 @moonsaballoon: You have articulated why EWS/EDR was so much more interesting 5 years ago. Adapting the race format to the venue really set Enduro apart from downhill.

I suppose that made Enduro more difficult to explain to a completely uneducated audience. But anybody who regularly rides MTB gets it right away.
  • 26 0
 Matthew Fairbrother has spoken.
  • 22 0
 Worth mentioning Richard is going fast.
  • 23 0
 Rude not to.
  • 1 0
 @R-M-R: It really was :/
  • 3 0
 @R-M-R: No need to be a Dick about it
  • 2 0
 You haven't noticed the subtle, yet clear slights to Rude since his "incident"? Each time Melamed or Moir win they are "incredibly fast" and the commonwealth boys oggy oggy oi oi oi. Rude quietly keeps dominating and the comments are literally only about how the UCI has ruined enduro and the sh*t TV coverage. It's quite funny.
  • 13 1
 “Stage 4 was cancelled due to an incident on the Rocche Gianche course.“

Did everyone that attended the event and anyone reporting on the event take some secret oath to never share the details about said “incident” with the general public? A stage at a major cycling event is cancelled and no one will explain what happened.
  • 24 0
 Hiya, we've spoken to a friend of the injured rider (Giorgia Fiocchi) and it seems she is relatively OK (battered and bruised), which is great to hear. She was airlifted out after the crash and the delay to racing led to the organiser cancelling the stage and moving riders over to stage five. Cheers
  • 8 2
 Maybe the organizers are not saying what happened because then the public will make the plausible correlation that they (race organizers are at least in part responsible for the crash). Pure negligence. Is it possible the U21 female rider crashed because she was passed by a pro men? Why was there a pro men dropping in behind a U21 female? Because many racers could not feasibly make it to their assigned stage start times (which the racers communicated to the race director prior to the race), because the transfer times were just too tight, so transfer times were modified during the race, screwing up all the start times (that's what the results looked weird coming in...not solely because there were glitches with the live timing, but because indeed times of u21 and pro men were coming in at the same time, because u21 women and pro men were actually racing the same stage at the same time), which meant that U21 women and pro men were racing the same stage at the same time.....so dangerous! The race director should have listened to the athletes prior to the race when they made their concerns about the tight transfer times. But the athletes concerns were not heard, no action was taken and this is the result.
  • 18 9
 I already posted this but I checked the power efforts of many of the athletes with public Strava profiles who used a power meter during the Finale EDR and none of them had a really high effort to make it to stage 2.
Jesse Melamed, Remi Gauvin, Slawomir Lukasic and Greg Callahan were putting roughly 200 to 210 watts for less than 400m of elevation, that's basically peanuts considering their weight.
Jesse, who's the lightest was not even reaching 3 w/kg.
Now, if professional athletes who have all the time in the world to train, especially during the off season where they can build a huge base, are unable to put 3 w/kg for a short amount of time, then there's something wrong in the sport.
  • 3 10
flag chrismac70 FL (May 15, 2024 at 4:38) (Below Threshold)
 I agree. For professional athletes those numbers are not very high. Even as a middle aged weekend rider who has never sat on a road bike I can do 3w/kg. I wouldnt see them for dust on the way down though, in fact the dust would have settled before I got to the same bit of trail
  • 9 1
 What is your Strava so we can analyze your climbs and power output? Smile
  • 21 3
 Arm chair stats. If they say it’s brutal, it’s brutal.
  • 11 7
 @birdsandtrees: analyze this 8=====D
  • 18 0
 Since we're doing data, from Misspent Summers wrapup email:

"U21 racer Sascha Kim told us he averaged a heart rate of 159 BPM over nearly 5h30m of effort, which is comparable (well, kind of) to a mountainous Tour de France stage"


"Several top elite riders had written to the race director after practice to say the transfer (aka liaison) times should be extended as they didn’t seem long enough, but they were told it was not possible (presumably as there were too many people to fit into the day’s schedule, with Open racing on the same day as Elite and Under-21 EDR racing). During the race day, as it became clear that the transfer times were too optimistic, time was added to two transfers (most riders found out too late); regardless, many elites dropped out of the race or incurred time penalties. With so many riders struggling, penalties were scrapped for the U21 categories but only after they'd already ridden most of the course."

Regardless, I don't think any pros are asking for more shuttle/uplift stages. I think they all of them are perfectly happy to pedal the liaisons. The main issue seems to be whether these liaison times at this specific race were too short or not. As others have said, some of the greatest "stories" from enduro are when competitors end up helping each other through mechanicals with some trails bodging and such. Too tight of liaison times makes this unlikely. In fact, it would probably encourage what I know at least one rider had done in the past, in having a "coach" ride a clone of their bike in the race and be available with spare parts and for trailside help (sacrificing the coach's "race" if necessary to assist the pro rider)... because your competition isn't going to help you if they have to sprint to the top of the liaison.
  • 8 0
 @Hogfly: Thanks for the shout out Smile
  • 3 1
 @dick-pound: username checks out
  • 3 0
 Did you look at the data from stage 2 to stage 3? Or just the first transfer? If not, then you don't have a clear picture.
  • 4 1
 @MisspentSummers: I think your wrap up email is the only thing I have read (other than what I have heard directly from racers themselves) that even touches on some of the bigger problems of this race. The results nor the "highlight video" provide any indication of what really happened in this race. Most definitely the results alone do not paint a clear picture. So big thanks to you for that. Thanks for trying to peel back some of the layers as to why this race was such a cluster f@*k. Bottom line, I feel badly for the athletes as I don't think they are being listened to or treated properly (safely). Why are more racers not speaking out? Fear of reprisals, in part perhaps.
  • 2 4
 @dhgirly: all the riders I checked had the highest output on the liaison from stage 1 to 2.
The climbing to stage 3 was at really low power for all of the riders I mentioned. Roughly from 140 to 160 watts and the hill was quite irregular. Looked like a very easy transfer as a matter of fact.
  • 8 0
 Thank you for acknowledging Tracey Mosley. She and Greg Minnar both had their international debut at the 97' World Championships and are both still near the top of their sport. Incredible longevity.
  • 4 0
 Total legends. Tracy is such an inspiration.
  • 8 0
 Hopefully whoever crashed on stage 4 is ok. Looks like 2 DNF's on stage 4 for U21 men. Hugo Geslin and Zacharie Borne. Sounds bad if they had to close the stage because of it
  • 11 6
 The video recap was pretty disappointing. Seems like less effort than ever is being put into enduro.
  • 7 0
 Did you read the article or just watch the video… Seems like the opposite
  • 10 1
 @dkendy1: I think the highlights video was better than what it's been in a while! Might as well put some proper effort in it because that's basically all the footage we are getting from these events.
  • 3 1
 @hirvi: I am undecided (I haven't rewatched previous years videos today, but I did rewatch this years.)
They have stopped previewing the stages 2x per video which they did previously, which is a great improvement.

Ric did a great job with the enduro recap last year, his cadence and inflection was almost perfect. His pronunciation was as good as he could do with a speech impediment. He is good at interviews, but his lack of dh knowledge and non-scripted pronunciation should preclude him from live coverage and dh commentary box) But I think his enduro work was great. And he should do the interviews for dh instead of Josh or the lady.

Alot of the racing footage at the start was out of focus and very grainy
one shot looks like the camera perons hand is in the way, and another the shot is focused on the course tape they are standing behind,
The slow motion shots they cut in are of different dirt. At least it is in focus.
  • 8 0
 @gcrider: That's the first time I've heard the Northern Irish accent described as a speech impediment.

He was actually pretty good on the EWS recaps. As for his DH commentary, it's actually gone... downhill since 2023, which is hopefully just a clever metaphorical joke on his part.
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: it's funny english speakers moan about Ric accent and it was completely fine for none native english speakers... while with Josh might be the opposite... I can guarantee you is more hard to follow for none native...
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: Agree with both your ews and dh points.
Nothing wrong with his accent.
Ric can't say TH sounds, he replaces them with Ffffffr
  • 2 0
 @gcrider: I hadn't noticed that. I also think he is better served by having Gracia (or anyone else excitable enough) in there with him, just to keep him awake and to make the vibe a bit livelier. The booth was so monotonous at Fort Bill. I like Gwin, but every run seemed like the background for a relaxed, late evening private chat.
  • 5 0
 In my mind, the first 3 paragraphs are exactly what ENDURO should be. It's not DH, It's not XC.
  • 2 1
 thinking further ... Enduro should time the climbs and selectively give bonuses to the fastest climbers ... like subtract 10, 8, 5 seconds from the subsequent lap time (maybe just special stages). Or some other idea. There should be some small aspect of climbing fitness and bike setup reflected in the weekend results. Why? Because development of Enduro bikes should include climbing performance because most rides are self propelled to the top.
  • 1 0
 To add to your second point if I may.

E-EDR proved that ebikes can be a great leveller in terms of fitness. EDR top three riders' ages varied by 7 and 2 yrs (F and M respectively), whilst for E-EDR the equivalent differences were 16 and 12 years
  • 3 1
 "The average year of birth of the top 10 .... was 1994/1995,"
I still cannot wrap my brain around how a 1995 person can be a grown up racer.
But then yes, right, it's because I'm damn old.
  • 3 0
 @sarahmoore -> you´re kidding? there was no live timing at all :-)

• It's as hard as ever to follow the live timing.
  • 2 0
 Not only locals have an edge, if you do like a certain team and go to train at the venue for weeks on you get also a great advantage.
  • 3 0
 YT wounds takes a lot of time to heal (2023). @sarahmoore
  • 2 0
 maybe we just RIDE enduro and live enduro life, but not RACE it-clearly not working well for the masses.
  • 8 10
 "the average year of birth of the top 10 Elite men racing eMTB is still 1995."

what a f*cking disgrace to be in your late twenties and compete in this travesty of our beloved sport.
the mopeds should - if even - be a thing in the masters category.
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 23 y/o and i love riding my moped Wink
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 Was it really a hot day? Jesse's Strava data says it was 69 degrees with 50% humidity.
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 Coming off the PNW winter, I did a few hours of yard work in 75 deg. F weather and *full sun* and it felt hot as hell to me. I’ve been here a long time, but I grew up in the south and it’s still surprising how hot 75 (in the sun) feels to me now.

If the climbs were exposed and they were having to gun it to make transfer times, I can believe that it felt hot.

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