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First Look: Scott Genius LT

Jul 17, 2013
by Matt Wragg  
FIRST LOOK
Scott Genius LT
WORDS & PHOTOS: Matt Wragg


Scott have always taken a different path to most other people for the long-travel version of their Genius trail bike, the Genius LT. Combining freeride-esque amounts of travel, trail bike geometry, lightweight construction and an obsession with the latest technology, they certainly have never been bikes that blend into the background. In the recent past, one of the most distinctive features were the pull-shocks that sat at the heart of the frames. Yet last year, Scott unveiled all-new Genius and Spark models that dropped the pull-shocks, the 26-inch wheel size, and returned to a more conventional suspension layout based around 29 and 27.5 inch wheels. That left the long-travel Genius LT sitting atop the range looking conspicuously old-school among its brethren, and left us wondering how long it would be until we saw a revised Genius LT. We didn't have to wait long.


Scott Genius LT

The new Genius LT debuted in Gstaad, Switzerland, where we were on hand to get up to speed on its technical aspects and for some first-ride impressions. Where previous incarnations visually screamed out "I'm different," the new frame is a far more subdued affair. Its chassis design has shifted from a complex feat of Swiss engineering to something altogether prettier. Gone is the boxy profile, and in are flowing, clean lines and a lovely matte black finish. While the trademark pull-shock may be gone, the recipe for the Genius LT hasn't changed. Sporting 170 millimeters of travel front and rear, a sensible 66.3-degree head angle, a total weight of 27.33 pounds (12.42kg), on-the-fly adjustable suspension, and an array of the latest innovations to reach mountain biking, the DNA of its predecessor is clear to see underneath its smooth lines

Details

• Intended use: All-mountain
• Revised suspension platform with dual-travel Fox Nude shock
• 170mm travel front/rear, rear reduces to 135mm in Traction Control mode
• 66.3 degree head angle (in open setting)
• SRAM X01 drivetrain
• 27.5" wheels
• Weight: 27.33lbs (12.42kg)
• MSRP (North American pricing TBD)

bigquotesFor an alloy tube frame, you can just cut it, weld it and paint it. It takes you six hours for one frame. For a Genius LT carbon mainframe, you have more than two hundred pieces. Each piece is laid by hand. It's about 24 hours from raw materials to a painted frame. - Benoit Grelier

Construction

Scott are rightly proud of their expertise working with carbon, they have been making carbon bikes for longer than nearly anyone else out there. That experience shows when you start digging into the construction of the bike. Scott's openness about their construction gives great insight into why their carbon frames are so much more expensive than the aluminium equivalents. Generally, carbon monocoque construction, where the frame is laid up in a single, complex piece, is considered a premium way of building a frame, but Scott takes the concept further.

Two molds per frame size: Chief engineer for the Genius LT, Benoit Grelier, explains that "If you have a monocoque structure, you need two halves and you need an overlap of material to make a good join. Here, we do it with a core so we can save some weight." The core he talks about it is a rigid mandrel structure molded to duplicate the shape of the finished part. The mandrel is used to accurately position up the layers of carbon fiber. During the curing process, the heat and internal pressure softens the mandrel and it can be removed easily from the finished frame. While that sounds fairly straight forward, to make that core requires a second mold. Benoit puts the price of the mainframe mold sets at $100,000. Most carbon frame construction techniques require a single mold.

Perfecting the design: Once you have your molds it isn't just a case of popping some material in there and out comes a frame either. As Benoit explains: "For an alloy tube frame, you can just cut it, weld it and paint it. It takes six hours of effective work from raw round tubes to the final painted frame. For a Genius LT carbon mainframe, you have more than two hundred pieces. Each piece is laid by hand. It's about 24 hours from raw materials to a painted bike. Engineering-wise, it means we need different pieces for each frame size. With an alloy tube set, you can simply cut it longer. In total, for the two versions of the carbon Genius LT we need about 1,200 unique pieces to make the range of bikes- roughly 200 per front triangle, roughly 100 for the chainstays and roughly 100 for the seatstays. This adds up to roughly 400 pieces per frame set, of which there are three." These 1,200 pieces of pre-cut unidirectional fibers are selected and numbered so the workers can align the fibers with the stress that the frame will experience in each particular area of the structure. By doing this, Scott can be very precise about the weight and strength of the frame as they know how much each piece weighs and stiffness it adds.

Translating technology to mass production: There is one final element to the construction that needs to be kept in mind as well - the frame needs to be mass-produced. As Benoit states, "When our engineers go [to our production line in China] they do the forming of the prototype themselves, so they realize the amount of work behind it, to understand what the guys will have to do in production. I could make it a lot lighter if you asked me to make it with one piece, I would do it very carefully here in Switzerland, that is no problem. The challenge is to put it into production." What all of this expertise results in is a 170-millimeter-travel frame with a weight of 5.4 pounds (2455 grams), including the shock and hardware for the top-end, full-carbon HMX version of the bike. To put that further into context; the HMF version of the frame, with an alloy rear end is 320 grams heavier, and the full-aluminium version is 430 grams heavier still.




Suspension

Dual-travel shock: At the heart of the frame is the unique Nude shock, which Scott have partnered with Fox to produce. While they may have dropped the pull-shock design, what Benoit calls the "heart of the suspension" from the old system is in fact the twin air chamber technology which is something Scott have patented and brought over into this all-new shock. From the outside, it may look a lot like a standard Fox Float CTD shock and indeed, the lower portion of the shock is the same, which means most of it can be serviced with standard parts. However, there is a lot going on in the head - inside is a second air chamber. When the bike is in the fully open, "Descend" setting, both chambers are in use. When you use the bar-mounted Twinloc remote to shift into the middle


Scott Genius LT
  The Fox Nude shock which Scott describe as the "heart of the suspension," it may look fairly normal, but inside, the shock replicates the dual-travel feature of the more complicated three-tube pull shock of the 2012 Genius LT.


"Traction Control" mode, it closes off the second air chamber in the head, reducing the overall air volume in the shock, dropping the travel to a manageable 135mm and making the shock sit higher in its travel to improve your climbing position. Traction Control replaces the middle "Trail" function of the Fox CTD system. The Nude shock's "Climb" position, however, adds the stiff low-speed compression of Fox's CTD "Climb" option to the reduced travel mode of the Nude Shock.

Simultaneous action: The bar-mounted Twinloc remote lever operates both the fork and shock at the same time, so it switches the fork between Fox's three CTD options while it selects three matching options at the shock. Existing Genius owners may be disappointed to know that the new Fox shocks are not backwards compatible, as the clearance on the frame is slightly different.

Scott Genius LT
Scott Genius LT
  The Twinloc remote sits on the left-hand side of the bar and you can see two cables leaving it - one for the fork and one for the shock. The orange linings of the cables are a particularly nice touch.


The theory behind the system is that with what Benoit describes as the "in-between mode", riders can manage the climbs efficiently with the "Traction Control" setting and then open the susupension to add full travel to enjoy the descent. It is also worth noting that, by switching from the pull-shock to the Fox Nude CTD unit, they saved around 200 grams.

Extended-travel fork: Out front is a custom Fox Float 34 CTD fork. What makes it unique is that its stroke has been extended out to 170mm. Talking to Fox's Chris Trojer, he is confident about taking the 34 from 160 to 170 millimeters. He says simply, "It works. Scott asked us specifically for a 170mm 34 and we have tested the fork extensively and it works." Other than the extended travel and a longer CTD damping cartridge, it is a completely standard 34 chassis. As we noted above, it is controlled by the same remote as the rear shock so the three suspension options on the bike work in unison.

The Build

Grabbing the headlines for the rest of the build is inevitably the wheel-size. With the new Genius, Scott have chosen to upsize the LT to 27.5 -inch wheels. They have been one of the biggest supporters of the new size from the outset, being the first company to win a World Cup on them (Nino Schuerter at Pietermaritzburg last year) and one of the first to have DH factory riders racing World Cups on them, so it should surprise few people. Previously the Genius LT sported 185 millimeters of travel, but with the larger wheels, they felt that with the added roll-over ability, they could reduce the suspension to 170mm.

Scott Genius LT
Scott Genius LT
  (Clockwise) Oversize, 35-millimeter handlebars aren't a standard we have seen picked up too widely yet, but as ever, Scott are keen to be one of the first adopters; SRAMs X01, one-by-eleven drivetrain provides the running gear for the bike; Spec'ing Schwalbe's newly released Rock Razor rear tire is another good call - the low center-tread profile means it rolls fast, but it has a big, sturdy side tread for the corners; They may be a common sight now, but internally routed dropper seatposts, like the Rockshox Reverb, are a big improvement, as they keep the delicate hydraulic connections inside the frame.


Looking up and down the length of the bike, Scott's interest in new technologies is evident once again. The Rockshox Reverb seatpost uses the internal "Stealth" routing, which, while it may be becoming more common now, Scott were one of the first companies to adopt. The drivetrain is supplied from SRAM's forthcoming X01 range with all the trickle-down technology from their flagship XX1 group, including 11 gears, chainring chain retention technology and the re-designed rear derailleur. At the front of the bike, Scott's in-house part company, Syncros, supplies the 35-millimeter-diameter handlebar. Scott claims they can reduce the weight of the 740-millimeter-wide bar without compromising strength. Fittingly, the Rock Razor tires are from Schwalbe using their innovative Super Gravity casing, which is pushing on what is possible in terms of strength and weight for trail bike tires. For the wheels, Syncros have partnered with DT Swiss and you can see some of DT's newest technology coming through, for example their new nipple and washer technology, and the new Spline One hub design.

Scott Genius LT
photo
  (Clockwise) The entry point for the internal cable routing is one of the tidiest we have seen anywhere; The same goes for the exit just above the bottom bracket, the carbon you can see around it is the protector plate; Another angle on the frame protector, it's not bulky, but is enough to look after the carbon underneath; The rear brake nestles neatly in between the stays.


Where the kit is less innovative, there is still a great attention to detail. Shimano's XTR trail brakes are regarded by many as the best brakes on the market right now and they are a welcome addition to any spec. We especially like how clean the rear brake mount is, tucked in above the seatstay. At the base of the shock, is a simple chip that can be reversed to offer lower and higher bottom-bracket settings, offering six millimeters of bottom bracket drop and 0.5 degrees of head angle adjustment. Hanging below the drive-side chainstay is a simple plastic chainguide that is well-proven to help manage a chain more effectively. In fact, with the guide mated to the X01 chainring and e-thirteen XCX chainguide, we'd almost say there's too much chain retention on the bike. Beneath the bottom bracket, the down tube has a simple, carbon fiber guard to protect the frame from rock strikes.

First impressions:
We had little time to get a proper feel for the new Genius LT. This was amplified by the fact that Gstaad is still at a fairly early stage of their impressive trail building program. While we never felt we had the chance to experience the bike in the environment it was designed for, the first aspect of the new LT that struck us was how easy it was to just get on and ride - the cockpit feels comfortable, the linkage undemanding and even through our first tentative descents with the bike, we felt at ease. This is always a good place to start, because once you feel settled with a bike you can start to push on and see how far you can take it. Secondly, we were surprised how often we found ourselves reaching for the Traction Control mode on the shock when there was pedaling to do. The adjusted pedaling position and shock settings do make a real difference, They make the bike lively going up the hill, living up to Benoit's claim that their system means people can live with longer-travel bikes far more easily. We look forward to a complete review of the 2014 Genius LT, put to task in a true all-mountain environment. - Matt Wragg



Watch Brendan Fairclough, Nino Schurter and Theo Gally ride the new Genus LT in Switzerland.

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  • 460
 Fairclough gapping the boys was the best part of the vid. The stump tap was pretty sick too.
  • 2649
flag taskmgr (Jul 17, 2013 at 7:07) (Below Threshold)
 LOOKS LIKE A SPECIALIZED
  • 201
 Stump tap was sick for sure. That's the difference between a XC World Champ and the nobs at your local cross country race.
  • 363
 You look Specialized
  • 74
 IMO it looks like a stumpy29 and a enduro26 had a baby and it turned out 650b dope bike!
  • 51
 Ja its the speci's 650b they don't wanna make.... now only if they used a grip shift to control the twin lock AND the twinlock dropped the front fork.... then it makes full sense.
  • 51
 Scott really have something going for them with at least two of the most stylish riders in the world riding for them. But seriously, the music in their videos is ALWAYS shit. I don't know how they manage it. Great looking bike though.
  • 40
 Now that, is one tech savy bike. I like it.
  • 23
 Have fun with the bar-mounted lockout the first time you go OTB. It should come with a few spares with how dainty that thing looks.
  • 14
 I like how there was no mention of how flexy the rear end is, almost like having the rear wheel loose in the dropouts.
  • 50
 So you've ridden it already?! Big Grin
  • 19
flag rupintart (Jul 27, 2013 at 17:00) (Below Threshold)
 Yes, I rode last year's model...nothing has really changed.
  • 284
 Scott always make great lookers... it will be interesting to see what wheel size is more popular the clown wheels or the 650b's... my money on the 650b's...
  • 5852
 I stopped reading the article at "27.5". The end
  • 102
 absolutely by far the best looking rig i have seen in a while..... as much as i will hamper after this bike 1 thing really bothers me and would ultimately be in the way every time i wanted to give serious thought to purchase, the controls on the bar for all these extra little addons are all begging to be ripped off with over the bars action, shock adjusters, seat posts when will it stop.
  • 91
 Yeah, I don't know why Scott are such a fan of super adjustability. It is the only thing that will stop me from getting one of these. I used to have a Ransom and after 2 weeks, I took off the shock remote and just left it fully open. Much nicer.
  • 62
 i get the market wants these things and that everybody pretty much wants the adjustment from a remote lever as it's instantly available but it has to be getting to be a pain, you only have to look at the bars and how busy they are getting. For me personally I would rather the lever on the shock body itself, it can then send the signal to the fork for me and at least the adjuster would be out the way of my bars...please tell me I am not alone in hoping for this as an option as the technology becomes more and more common. i am not against the whole control on the bars thing for those that it suits btw, power to ya.
  • 60
 Agreed, I looked at Scott Spark last year. After a ride around the car park the novelty of the handle bar switches wore off. Bought a Blur XC with the control on the shocks, keeps me thinking about my ride rather than playing with buttons.
  • 20
 Great looking ride and great acting! LOL! Any-whoo, I'd love to test ride her!
  • 101
 @abzillah. That's dumb. You're assuming it's a bad bike based on wheel size. Maybe your should try it. I work in a bike shop and after trying a bunch of bikes I can safely say that I prefer 26" wheels. But there are some pretty snappy whips in the tweener zone.
  • 30
 I don't see the need for handle bar adjustments for anything. I can ride with one hand. It was my first trick when I was five.
  • 20
 speccing a X01 drivetrain, and still mounting the shock adjuster above the handlebar?! what the heck are they thinking.
  • 116
 When enduro started taking off, I got all excited that we'd get lots of development in the kinds of bikes I want to ride - short travel DH bikes with coils. Looks like we are getting long travel XC bikes instead.
  • 30
 Nude Shock...
  • 30
 All of that trying to be different for years and Scott has finally realized going simple is the way forward Smile
  • 41
 This is a SWEET looking bike and would be a quiver killer if the fork had travel adjust as well. I've been riding a Cannondale Jekyll and the handlebar-mounted travel adjust remote for the rear is money. It's definitely a desirable feature.
  • 10
 this is THE FIRST 27.5 bike that i have wanted to ride. im still in the anti-carbon frame mind and will probably never change that but if there was a demo day somewhere - i would for sure make the ride out to take this bike on a rip
  • 23
 @DMal: "quiver killer" really?
  • 20
 @ccolagio - why against carbon and why never change? yes i have a carbon DH rig, ali xc and ali road.

if the ali version is cheaper and i was in the market don't get me wrong i would take ali, but if the same or comparable price i go carbon now without a doubt, so long as it's a good manaufacturer.
  • 10
 I hope they release an alu version of this. If they do it will be on my maybe list for new bikes.
  • 10
 @T1mbo, I think Scott are fans of having all the adjustable bells and whistles because frankly they don't work very well without all that stuff.
  • 10
 Yeah they do. Its just a linkage activated single pivot design. My old Ransom worked even better without the bells and whistles.
I do agree that your argument stand with the fork though, but thats not made by Scott. Wink
  • 10
 Seriously the old LT would barely work at all without all the valves and switches attached to the shock, even with everything possible screwed into the back of it the thing still could really only be set up either for small bumps or big hits, the pull shock was a steamer. The bike itself was too damn tall, short and steep for the amount of travel it had. I can appreciate it would work for all-day traverses in the European Alps or something like that.

Ransom worked much better than the LT overall, but it had its own pile of problems (again mostly in the shock).
  • 10
 I swapped out the shitty Equalizer shock on my old Ransom and got an RP23. It worked just fine.
You couldn't do that with the last LT because Scott 'downgraded' it to a pull shock.
This new one should be much better because it has much more modern sizing and geometry.

Those 'all day traverses' in The Alps involve al shit load of downhill… a short steep bike is severely compromised there.
  • 10
 Yep I agree with all of that. Specialized made the same blue when they went from the pre-07 Enduro chassis to the SL; they went from a competent all rounder that excelled at descending to what was a stumpjumper with a lift kit. They got it right when they redesigned it in 2010; I hope that is what Scott are doing here.
  • 181
 It is really incredible piece of bike, but for sure, even if I want it so bad, can't afford it. I'm sure it's another 10k bike.
  • 30
 Very great looking bike, a pleasure for the eyes...
  • 21
 It'll be 10k with XX1 and carbon wheels. The version above will likely be 6-7k.
  • 50
 If the current pricing of the Genius LT models is any indicator, we'll likely see a low-end model around $3,000, maybe even less.
  • 131
 Price will be.... ONE MILLLLION DOLLARS
  • 10
 more like 2 mill i reckon
  • 142
 "Combining freeride-esque amounts of travel, trail bike geometry" that's the first thing that sounds questionnable...

"With an alloy tube set, you can simply cut it longer."
Feels like that guy never made an aluminium frame. Hydroforming has been used by Scott i think no?

Let's finish on a positive note: they stopped using those stupid shocks!!
  • 50
 I sadly own one of those stupid shocks but the travel comment is true, I use my bike anywhere from riding around town (which is hills everywhere) to slow XC to full DH riding and it works awesomely, it really is a shame about the rear shock being such a pain to have serviced but meh.
  • 12
 It's a good point; alloy has to be shaped first, and then once it's welded has to be heat treated in a lengthy process of baking and quenching at very specific temperatures for very specific lengths of time. With carbon, you bung it in a low oven for 8 hours and boom, you have a frame. There's pros and cons to working with either. With carbon for instance, you don't have any expensive welding gear.
  • 41
 So by that reasoning Carbon should be cheaper , even despite all the Carbon layup needing to be done by hand and over 200 pieces being used. As to bung it in a low oven and boom !!! and no expensive welding gear. Think again mate . Read up on Scott Carbon Process

www.pinkbike.com/news/Scott-Advert-Gives-a-Detailed-View-of-the-Carbon-Fiber-Manufactu.html

And watch the vid
carbonexperts.scott-sports.com/videos/carbon.mp4
  • 10
 Just saying there were a few simplistic explanation. It's once again some story telling, pushed by marketing I guess. Or let's be kind and say he did not want to go too much into details... Like when they say the engineers go to China to see how much time it takes for the lay up... They should know that well ahead otherwise they have no cluen about manufacturing costs. Story telling. Or labour cost is much lower than they claim and then should not say carbon frames are expensive because of the time needed for the whole process.
  • 10
 No bulldog, not by that reasoning carbon should be cheaper, the Scott fellow hasn't told the whole story and suggesting carbon is more expensive because of complex layup procedures is a very over-simplified comment on the difference in price. Another example, is how aluminium develops an oxide on it's surface which has a higher melting point than the alloy itself. This means it has to be stored carefully or scrubbed back prior to welding. It is not as simple as cutting it and welding it. Many complexities in using carbon can be offset by complexities in using alloy. If he'd have said, you just have to cut and weld steel... well that would be a different matter entirely.
  • 10
 Obviously the sarcasm passed you by . I used to work with metals many moons ago and know about the pros and cons. Your comment about expensive welding gear doesn't quite stack up when you can get professional tig welders for between 400-1000 pounds and judging by some of welding I've seen has been mass produced by muppets. It's just down to mass production. Carbon isnt the be and end all as evidenced by the new Alu GT Fury lighter and stronger than the previous carbon offering. Tbh ive not really looked at the price comparison but i'd hazard a guess that it's less than the Carbon version.
  • 10
 Really? I have never had to wait more than a week for my shock to come back. Though I do wish it was just a normal shock....
  • 21
 bluechair: please check what you are saying. Welding is squarewave pulse tig, not scratch the surface oxides off. Aluminum doesn't have to be stored any more carefully than steel or carbon to keep it clean and free from contaminants.
  • 60
 Yeah, Willie1 is correct. You still need to clean the aluminum tubes, but we no longer need to scrub the oxides off the surface. By altering the shape of the 'wave,' the arc pulls off all the oxides on the surface as you weld. I remember welding aluminum frames with the old-school analog TIG welders and the preparation required to get the tubes ready for assembly. The square wave TIG machine's arc was more consistent and the user could change the profile of the negative vs positive AC wave to create the cleaning effect - it was a serious time saver back in the day.
  • 10
 After watching one of the Nicolai production videos - Ion 18 was here recently - I am sure he was talking about some Walmart aluminum frames.
  • 10
 That's brilliant, I had no idea the welders could clean off the oxide! There's a myth debunked for me then. Just to be clear, I'm not expecting carbon frames to be cheaper, but his comment passed by things that complicate welding with alu. Obviously, the oxide layer is no longer one of them O_o
  • 10
 You still need AC Tig, but quality improves significantly with squarewave.
  • 10
 @Reidhollister, probably cause you're in the states, Here in Aus everything I've heard about it is at 4 to 7 weeks turn around because there's a limited number of suppliers
  • 90
 Best looking bike iv seen in a while, awesome spec as well! My first mountain bike was a Scott, might have to look at getting another one!!
  • 90
 that is one nice bike
  • 10
 looks like a session
  • 40
 Feels like every review is a 10,000 dollar carbon all-mountain bike. Don't get me wrong, this bike looks effing amazing, just wish there was a bit more variety in the types of bikes pinkbike tested. Would love to see more fat bikes, hardtails, single speeds, etc. reviewed. So many bikes rolling on dirt out there...
  • 82
 but what if I still want 26" wheels?
  • 122
 Well, you can fit 26" on that bike but i'm not promising anything fun will come out of it.
  • 63
 Buy a Cannondale Claymore Smile
  • 63
 what if he wants a good bike though?
  • 632
flag Willie1 (Jul 17, 2013 at 6:52) (Below Threshold)
 If you still want 26" wheels, you should get an IQ test Smile
  • 27
flag Willie1 (Jul 17, 2013 at 11:51) (Below Threshold)
 LOL!!!!
  • 20
 Oh silly Willie... how blind are you?
  • 13
 ??????????? I need bifocals now to read as I'm aging.
  • 11
 you certainly do...
  • 13
 ????? Are you trying to troll me?
  • 30
 yes, i think i am.
  • 60
 I think I found my next bike if I could afford ir
  • 60
 @ 0:13,

Wait a secondd...He actually didn't call Brendog?! -_-
  • 20
 That's my biggest pet peeve: a phone call scene and the display shows anything but a call or black screen.
  • 30
 Common iPhone Mistake #1..lol from music videos, to reality shows, to movies.
  • 43
 Should have gotten an Android - they actually make calls.
  • 20
 I maybe in the minority but I love my 2012 Scott Genius. I've had no issues with the pull shock whatsoever. My only stint is I want my bike to weigh below 25 lbs haha

The new Genius LT is SO DAMN HOT! I want this more then the Gambler. If I sold all of my camera gear I could get this bike as I'm sure this bike will be $8k-$9k easily. T-T
  • 20
 At the moment i am of this opinion:

- no proprietary parts
- no brands that are so big that they might design/spec based on marketing to large audiences

The former are most of the time a result of the latter and innovations proven in the field become generally adopted with or without marketing.

The latter inevitably involve uninformed buyers who can be swayed by unique selling propositions for their lack of experience. New usps are supposed to be proven by inhouse r&d but the superior capacities of large companies are subordinate to company policies tailored to maximise revenue to support the large organisational overhead of the large company and the results might never get public, thus negating that advantage.

Bottom line trusting the large companies because they have large r&d departments is a bogus argument. It would be more in the interest of riding experience to educate/demystify the uninformed buyer and go with open, accepted standards.

Based on this i have to doubt brands like Scott, Spesh or even Fox unless proven over the years and favour underdogs who might need to deliver performance in order to emerge or smaller companies for whom marketing does still play a marginal role.

Spoken purely from a ride experience point of view.
  • 30
 I like the joke about how DHers see Enduro vs how XCers see it. That or the guys were just dressing according to how they thought they would have to ride with the other guy. Good marketing for as do it all rig either way.
  • 61
 *a funny wheel size joke*
  • 10
 looks like an endro
  • 61
 better than yesterdays Speshs)
  • 10
 I've just fallen in love. I love the idea of having lots of travel so that when you are on a ride you can do a big drop, do mumps, blast down a downhill, etc. But generally you pay the price on the flats and the ups. I really hope this solves this problem. It certainly looks and sounds the part. This is going to mega expensive but if it really is the all in one solution maybe it would be worth it? Looking forward to the reviews. I also hope there are some cheaper versions available too!
  • 10
 The weight of these bikes is unbelievable nowadays.
My 120mm steel HT weighs 28lbs. Incredible that they can get 170mm travel below that.
If you took off the additional cluster **** you would save even more weight.
I would be over bike on everything if I bought this but why not if it weighs less!
  • 21
 How badly do people really want an adjustable freeride / trail bike? Is there really a market for this sort of bike? I have only seen Claymores / Jekyls at races, never at trail centres, and I've never seen one of the new standard shock Genius, only the old pull shock type.
  • 10
 I test rode a 2013 Genius 720 for 2 weeks and never really thought it was anything other than average at everything. The price was high, the weight was high and it never got me excited on descents, lets hope this LT is a lot nicer.
  • 20
 I will never say that it's a Scott jumper.

Seriously though, I have a stumpy and I've always loved it. This, however, is a dope bike. One that is more than worthy to replace my old stumpy Smile
  • 10
 First 650b bike I've ever paid any sort of attention to. I always had a hard time looking at 29ers or 27.5s as I've seen far more injuries happen to a rider on larger wheels. coincidence? I think not. This bike shows some promise although I really don't like the look of the cluttered handlebar lever. Why not mount the levers on the shock and fork? I'm tired of smashing parts on my handlebars from OTB falls.
  • 10
 Nope it's not, they're going faster than the 26ers Smile
  • 10
 650b.... passing. I don't need to monster truck over everything nor go really really fast down fire roads, or fire road trials. I want my poppy, fun, berm slaying 26'er .... why. because they .. are... FUN . Smile and bikes are supposed to be fun.
  • 10
 Check out 2:23 of the video - Fairclough is running a different shock and fork to the ones in the photos. Did he replace the CTD stuff because he didn't like 'em or these were just proto stuff? Been reading reviews on the NUDE Shock tech from Scott and they're mostly of journo's being disappointed with it. Did Brendan swap it out? Anyone have any idea? haha.
  • 10
 For an alloy tube frame, you can just cut it, weld it and paint it. It takes you two hours for one frame. For a Genius LT carbon mainframe, you have more than two hundred pieces. Each piece is laid by hand. It's about 24 hours from raw materials to a painted bike. - Benoit Grelier.

At $2 and hour for labor in china that's not a big deal.
  • 12
 Don't the Chinese welders have the same labor costs?
  • 10
 you obviously did not understand what Rider656 was trying to say... the labour cost difference between producing a carbon frame and a aluminium frame is negligible.
  • 11
 I understand perfectly, $48.00 compared to $4.00. 12x more expensive in labour. Hamdawg, if you keep posting nonsense after each of my posts, I will deal with you appropriately. You are a 17 year old kid with limited awareness. You post drivel to start arguments, and detract from reasonable discussions. Keep showing off your ignorance, but don't waste my time with it.
  • 10
 Just too much going on around that shock Scott seem stuck on running a proprietary design, that will always put off allot of people including me, if I don't like a std shock then ability to run another brand like a CCDBa or Vector, Monarch Plus etc is key for me, don't like the cable routing under the BB either, so much right and they do that WTH! Scott's best bike and one of my fav right now is the current Gambler in 26" thank you, Otherwise they lost me at Hello!
  • 10
 Did you read the article? "the lower portion of the shock is the same, which means most of it can be serviced with standard parts"
And unlike specialized no proprietary mounting system, so what is keeping you from mounting a differ shock if you want?
  • 10
 Techno aside the overall impression I get from the shear amount of conversation this bike has generated is that Scott have something special going on here, even if its only the paint job.

End of the day: Good looking bike, lots of thought gone into the design/development, probably the wheel size that will be dominant on new bikes in a two or three years time. Like it - a lot!
  • 10
 I don't get it. Is this an enduro bike or what? I want to sell my downhill bike and need a bike to do it all, even a bikepark visit sometimes. But they label it all mountain and that means "please don't go THAT hard on me" in my opinion..
  • 20
 Has the XO1 chainring got the same design as the XX1 and this mech has no clutch either?? So why does it need top and bottom chain device?
  • 10
 Maybe it's because if it wouldn't have a chain device everyone would be like "mmm i don't think my chain will stay in place without a chainguide"
  • 10
 Probably yeah, have to have trust in them. I have a wolftooth ring and it's survived pretty heavy riding so far Smile
  • 40
 So many cables everywhere... makes me sick just looking at it.
  • 10
 Wont dropping the travel compress the shock and slacken the head angle? Looks like a sweet bike otherwise..... and im wondering hpw that tiny shock could handel big hits and high speed chunk. Seems under gunned for 170mm
  • 20
 The fork drops too I'd imagine. Doesn't take much for a 170mm travel to be tough anymore. Parts have come along way since the days of 40lb monsters
  • 20
 The fork is not a talas they said it puts it in the climb mode...
  • 11
 It's a good-looking rig to be sure, but the creative dept. doesn't win any points for basically copying Specialized graphics. Interesting to see that the floodgates have opened on concentric pivots after companies like Orbea and Scott realized that DW and Trek don't appear to be defending their patents. I am glad for this considering the "split pivot" was first patented in the 1800s. Anyone know more about this?
  • 10
 not concentric
  • 10
 Lol, yeah, I saw the big axle end cap and it looked like a pivot and I got all excited. Too bad.
  • 10
 Except I believe I read DW is suing Trek
  • 10
 I just love all the suspension fine tuning during a race to increase the speed potential and it adds to the steering challenge! It really can make the difference if you're willing to accept the complexity.
  • 20
 Wow finally proper Genius! It's beautiful! Didn't like the old ones with weird rear suspension.....
  • 10
 that's a badass bike right there I tend to go more for free ride but I've been wanting an all mountain and think I found the one that road gap was crazy I must get one!
  • 30
 One bike to rule them all!!!
  • 10
 This is a cool video not just because the bike is sweet. It is also cool to see the XC world Cup Champion Nino on a all mountain bike instead of his hardtail.
  • 41
 Why did they write Scott on that Specialized Stumpjumper Evo?
  • 10
 that's exactly what I was thinking !!
  • 10
 Wow. What a great change after the previous Genius LT, all slack seat angles and pull shocks. This new bike is very slick. Now if only they could build an XL...
  • 10
 We should mention that this is the only factory 170mm front/rear 27.5 bike on the market. The Range can be modified to run 170mm.
  • 21
 I would be terrified to give that 34mm, 650B, 170mm stroke, 15mm axle Fox a go. Gives me jitters just to think about how much it must flex when you push it hard.
  • 20
 Seriously man? i've been riding my 26" 120mm stumpjumper with quick release dropouts alongside 200mm dh bikes for the entire summer on dh race tracks. Can't wait to get my first Downhill bike (M6)!! Even still I'm surprised you get jitters from what looks like a very solid platform for the ever evolving "all mountain" category.
  • 20
 I see what your saying NaughtybyNorfolk, but I'm sure a Fox 36 would give a substantially better ride with that much travel. look at how chunky 180's are and they only have 10mm more travel.
I would love a ride on this bike to test my theory, anyone at Scott listening?
  • 10
 Hmmm, you do realize that there is a huge difference between how much loading you get from a 120mm fork (with a 26in wheel) vs 170mm fork with a 650B? The fork is extended over 50% more! The15mm axle is only incrementally stiffer than a QR vs. a proper 20mm. The previous generation bike had a Lyrik extended to 180mm (via use of Domain lowers) and sported a 20mm axle. I bet the previous generation was worlds stiffer in the front that this but it was also much heavier and this bike clearly puts weight and stroke over anything else.
  • 10
 "The15mm axle is only incrementally stiffer than a QR vs. a proper 20mm" Link please?
I'm pretty sure there's one out showing the opposite in tests. I'll try to find it.
  • 10
 QR -> 10mm through bolt -> 15mm through axle -> 20mm through axle
20mm is stiffer, 15mm is incrementally stiffer than QR. No way around it.
  • 10
 That nose bonk on the tree stump was street as f*ck. Does this mean I can be a street god as well as do every other type of riding? Take my money.
  • 30
 Does it have enough cables? I'm not sure
  • 10
 god dam scott are on a roll at the moment the new gambler is awesome my voltage is a dream to ride and the new lt looks amazing way to go scott Big Grin
  • 10
 guys, this bikes been here all along its called the trek remedy 26 more capable and even better than this bike, plus... its a trek.
  • 22
 They should really change the twinlock lever, it looks like it could brake from the leaf hit, and probably costs like a market bike.
  • 20
 I've had some massive crashes on my genius LT and never had any issue with the lever, it's pretty solid
  • 10
 theoretically it has the ideal characteristics!!!

put it into some track testing!!! Smile
  • 20
 looks so good... want one now!!!!
  • 20
 That is the best looking Scott I've seen .good job
  • 30
 Sex on wheels
  • 20
 Finally I found a rig that will replace my Specialized Pitch Pro.
  • 20
 Nino's gastrocnemius has three heads!
  • 20
 is there an 26 inch wheel ?
  • 10
 não! 26" ja nao existe no topo de gama da scott a nao ser no gambler por enquanto...
  • 20
 Specialized anyone... I think not
  • 31
 So nice Specialized !!!!!!!!!!!!! 0_o
  • 11
 I am really curious about the wheel base of the bike. The pro's were locking up the rear tire and skidding it around the switchbacks.
  • 30
 Most top Euro riders are also skiers and most skiers are skidders - just sayin'
  • 20
 DISCLAIMER- BUYING THIS BIKE DOES NOT MAKE ONE RIDE LIKE BRENDOG OR NINO
  • 10
 after seeing both "first look's"... my moneys on the rocky altitude rally!
  • 20
 Can it get any better 170mm travel 650b and only 27lb! plus sexy as hell.
  • 20
 I'd rather have my norco thank you...
  • 30
 XO1 with a chain guide?
  • 10
 He might not be putting up amazing results anymore, but brendog is pure marketing gold.
  • 10
 Bike looks great though I'd need to slacken the headangle at least by 2º before I rode it!
  • 10
 this is the best bike ive seen thus far hands down. now I must go clean my drawers
  • 10
 So happy my shop carries scott now. Plan on building it is with a xx1 a pike and raceface parts galore!
  • 32
 Niño wasn't calling him in the video
  • 10
 haha,at least they could made a real scenery
  • 20
 I want!
  • 20
 That is like sex
  • 21
 Sure were alot of bottom outs on that fork for 170mm...
  • 21
 That's probably because the twin lock system allows you to run very stiff for climbing and very plush for descending.
  • 21
 So bottom out in a berm is normal?
  • 11
 if you know Nino... and Brenddawg... both kill it so bottoming out means they pushed more than we do....
  • 10
 No it's because the POS fork get's set to the "D" setting when you run the shock at full travel... CTD is utterly useless and unless you run the stuff in the "T" setting you blow through the travel. Doesn't help how noodly the forks feel too.
  • 10
 The-Medic, do you feel that the Genius would be a better bike without the Twin-Lock system?
  • 10
 Now that is a mountain bike!!!
  • 10
 The fox nude sounds similar to trek's drcv shock
  • 10
 Any video with Brendog is going to be rad face it !
  • 12
 fox u guys need to work on that bar mounted lever for the suspension, it looks like something a 3 year old threw together from legos. #urdesignerssuck.
  • 50
 #whyareyouusinghashtagsonpinkbike
  • 10
 Thats a well filmed demo video
  • 10
 And then Orange release the 5 and Alpine 27.5" ooooo how interesting
  • 10
 I'll take one sans all the fox and sram bits.
  • 10
 Which bar control activates the DRS?
  • 10
 ain't nobody got time for gimmick wheel sizes
  • 10
 Looks like a specialized camber:/
  • 10
 "we ride the scott stump jumper"
  • 10
 Damnit I just got a new carbon nomad. I would have loved to try this.
  • 10
 Sign me up!!! cannot wait
  • 10
 I had to do a double take when Nino did the tiretap. Great ad...
  • 20
 Noodle
  • 10
 single pivot relying heavily on a complicated air shock? No thanks.
  • 10
 The first 650b I have considered buying
  • 10
 Sorry but you cannot cut a piece longer...
  • 10
 Looks like a beefed up Stumpy EVO
  • 10
 Beautiful bike... real shame about that crap suspension.
  • 10
 Anyone any what size of rear damper this uses?
  • 10
 dear santa...
  • 10
 2:06 - attack mode!
  • 10
 ohhh the future!!
  • 10
 i want!!!
  • 10
 1:36 linkage flex
  • 11
 nevermind.
  • 33
 Frame looks spesh for me
  • 10
 Stumpy for sure.
  • 14
 NO TALAS?
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