Techwalk: Roc D'Azur 2015

Oct 9, 2015
by Matt Wragg  
Welcome to Roc D Azur - by Sunday this will be the biggest busiest bike show in the world.
Welcome to Roc D'Azur - by Sunday this will be the biggest, busiest bike show in the world.

There are more races over the Roc D Azur than most people know what to do with - so for sign on they need a bit more than someon es aunty and a camp table...
There are more races over the Roc D'Azur than most people know what to do with - so for sign on they need a bit more than someone's aunty and a camp table...

It looks like Hope are getting into the carbon handlebars game to expand their ever-increasing range of products. Somewhere around 780mm and 20mm of rise looks likely here.
It looks like Hope are getting into the carbon handlebars game, to expand their ever-increasing range of products. Somewhere around 780mm and 20mm of rise looks likely here.

Also on the Hope booth was this discretely sitting in plain view an Ohlins Pike damping cartridge. We can only speculate what is inside - but it clearly replaces the entire damper with no obvious external rebound adjustment even.
Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Also on the Hope booth was this, discretely sitting in plain view: an Ohlins Pike damping cartridge. We can only speculate what is inside - but it clearly replaces the entire damper, with no obvious external rebound adjustment even.

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Sometimes it s the simple things that are the most beautiful and interesting. This Victoire 29 hardtail is maybe our bike of the show - a simple Columbus steel frame. It s not cheap but for 1 300 Euros you can fully customise your geometry and the full bike builds up to under 10kg with this build plus pedals . Just look at the frame details and simple clean lines - at a time when mountain bikes are getting more complicated and esoteric there is always a place in our hearts for something like this...
Sometimes it's the simple things that are the most beautiful and interesting. This Victoire 29" hardtail is maybe our bike of the show - a simple, Columbus steel frame. It's not cheap, but for 1,300 Euros you can fully customise your geometry and the full bike builds up to under 10kg with this build (plus pedals). Just look at the frame details, and simple, clean lines - at a time when mountain bikes are getting more complicated and esoteric, there is always a place in our hearts for something like this...

Apparently this saddle is better for your health...
Apparently this saddle is better for your health...

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

We don t quite know where to start with this bike. The Caminade steel frame is certainly unique - although it should be remembered that in his pre-Devinci days Damien Oton piloted one of these in the EWS top 20. Although that was without the Motion fork... The linkage fork is based on a carbon leaf spring - you replace the spring the green carbon strut in this instance to tune the spring weight of the bike. Rebound is handled by an oil damper sitting in the head tube - it will fit any conventional bike with a tapered headtube they say. The makers claim that this design is completely isolated from braking forces so brake dive is completely eliminated it offers a very progessive spring curve has the lowest breakaway force of any mountain bike fork and they believe this fork will also be completely maintenance free. However there is no compression control. The XC version weight 1.5kg and can be set to 80-120mm of travel and the more enduro-friendly version has 120-160mm of travel and weighs 1.8kg so about the same as a Pike . They are available now if you have 1920 Euros ready...

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

We don't quite know where to start with this bike. The Caminade steel frame is certainly unique - although it should be remembered that in his pre-Devinci days Damien Oton piloted one of these in the EWS top 20. Although that was without the Motion fork... The linkage fork is based on a carbon leaf spring - you replace the spring (the green carbon strut in this instance) to tune the spring weight of the bike. Rebound is handled by an oil damper sitting in the head tube - it will fit any conventional bike with a tapered headtube, they say. The makers claim that this design is completely isolated from braking forces, so brake dive is completely eliminated, it offers a very progressive spring curve, has the lowest breakaway force of any mountain bike fork and they believe this fork will also be completely maintenance free. However, there is no compression control. The XC version weight 1.5kg and can be set to 80-120mm of travel and the more enduro-friendly version has 120-160mm of travel and weighs 1.8kg (so about the same as a Pike). They are available now if you have 1920 Euros ready...

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Sunn are back The legendary French brand has been bought by Intersport a major mainstream chain of sportshops in Europe . There are no plans to produce entry-level bikes though with the brand completely commiting to IBDs and high-end kit. They had the production version of their Kern LT on display - the same bike that Thomas Lapeyrie has been throwing wild shapes on at the EWS this year and was leading the field after day one at Samoens . As a return after a long absence it looks good - sporting roomy toptubes that almost venture into Mondraker territory and race-ready build kits. This top end version is pretty much ready to take to your local enduro races for 4 199 Euros tipping the scales at just over 13kg. They will be available in France very soon with the rest of Europe to follow soon. American distribution is still a way away though.

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Sunn are back! The legendary French brand has been bought by Intersport (a major mainstream chain of sport shops in Europe). There are no plans to produce entry-level bikes though, with the brand completely committing to IBDs and high-end kit. They had the production version of their Kern LT on display - the same bike that Thomas Lapeyrie has been throwing wild shapes on at the EWS this year (and was leading the field after day one at Samoens). As a return after a long absence, it looks good - sporting roomy toptube that almost venture into Mondraker territory and race-ready build kits. This top end version is pretty much ready to take to your local enduro races for 4,199 Euros, tipping the scales at just over 13kg with the aluminium frame. They will be available in France very soon, with the rest of Europe to follow soon. American distribution is still a way away though.

Sunn are producing three versions of the Kern - this is the SL the 120mm travel XC-ish version.
Sunn are producing three versions of the Kern - this is the SL, the 120mm travel XC-ish version.

If you want an intermediate travel trail bike there is also the 140mm Kern S1.
If you want an intermediate travel trail bike, there is also the 140mm Kern S1.

Tomtom had their very cool headcam on display. The nice thing about this is their auto-editing feature - it has GPS accelerometers and suchlike inside so if you shake your camera when you are downloading your footage it will automatically chop the footage down for you to the points with the most action - so you will have no more excuses for posting self-indulgent 14 minute films to your video-hosting site of choice.
Tomtom had their very cool headcam on display. The nice thing about this is their auto-editing feature - it has GPS, accelerometers and suchlike inside, so if you shake your camera when you are downloading your footage it will automatically chop the footage down for you to the points with the most action - so you will have no more excuses for posting self-indulgent 14 minute films to your video-hosting site of choice.

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Radon are the in-house brand for the giant German online retailer - bikediscount.de. They have been working hard on perfecting their current offering and the 170mm Swoop may tickle the fancy of aggressive trail riders. Geometry looks modern and aggressive and reports from riders have been good for the Radons. This isn t the final build there is a Pike out front for instance which will be replaced by a Yari but a very similar version of this bike will soon be on sale for just 2 200 Euros which looks like a lot of fun for your bucks.

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Radon is the in-house brand for the giant, German online retailer - Bikediscount.de. They have been working hard on perfecting their current offering and the 170mm Swoop may tickle the fancy of aggressive trail riders. Geometry looks modern and aggressive, and reports from riders have been good for the Radons. This isn't the final build (there is a Pike out front, for instance, which will be replaced by a Yari), but a very similar version of this bike will soon be on sale for just 2,200 Euros, which looks like a lot of fun for your buck.

Michelin like to remind people of their incredible motorsports heritage so brought along their rally simulator for fans to play with this weekend.
Michelin like to remind people of their incredible motorsports heritage, so brought along their rally simulator for fans to play with this weekend.

We reckon these single-chainstay Moustache kids bikes are some of the coolest-looking ones out there.
We reckon these single-chainstay Moustache kids bikes are some of the coolest-looking ones out there.

In yesterdays poll we asked What Area of Mountain Bike Technology Needs the Most Improvement Inevitably many people mentioned gearboxes but were put off by the price. If you want to know why they cost so much this is what the internals of a Rohlhoff hub look like...
In yesterday's poll we asked, "What Area of Mountain Bike Technology Needs the Most Improvement?" Inevitably many people mentioned gearboxes, but were put off by the price. If you want to know why they cost so much, this is what the internals of a Rohlhoff hub look like...

Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Pierre Perrin was at the show with his first ever mountain bike - a steel-framed full-susser that is pushed along by a combination of a Gates belt drive and a Rohlhof geared hub. Younger readers may not recognise the suspension layout but anybody who was riding in the wild and wonderful days of the 1990s will instantly recognise the unified rear triangle URT . In the early days of full-suspension bikes many designers didn t know how to deal with chaingrowth and other chain forces so they solved the problem by including the bottom bracket on the swingarm. While this many have completely solved any chain issues what it did mean was that your bottom bracket was moving under you as your suspension worked... The fact that younger readers may not have seen one of these before should tell you all you need to know about the development of suspension and the URT. However Pierre has resurrected the layout to solve the problem of mounting the carbon belt drive. This is his first bike but one can be yours with fully custom geometry for 2 000 Euros minus belt drive and Rohlhof hub .

Roc D Azur 2015
Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Frejus France. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Pierre Perrin was at the show with his first ever mountain bike - a steel-framed full-susser that is pushed along by a combination of a Gates belt drive and a Rohlhof geared hub. Younger readers may not recognise the suspension layout, but anybody who was riding in the wild and wonderful days of the 1990s will instantly recognise the unified rear triangle (URT). In the early days of full-suspension bikes, many designers didn't know how to deal with chaingrowth and other chain forces, so they solved the problem by including the bottom bracket on the swingarm. While this many have completely solved any chain issues, what it did mean was that your bottom bracket was moving under you as your suspension worked... The fact that younger readers may not have seen one of these before should tell you all you need to know about the development of suspension and the URT. However, Pierre has resurrected the layout to solve the problem of mounting the carbon belt drive. This is his first bike, but one can be yours with fully custom geometry for 2,000 Euros (minus belt drive and Rohlhof hub).


The 90s were strong at the Roc - IRC are back In the 90s IRC tyres were run by many of the sports top racers but they lost standing as the years passed and aren t a name we had heard in many years until we say their booth. They have revamped and resurrected their XC tyres - the Mythos and had their new and slightly more aggressive Mibros on show too. The even better news for any nostalgic downhillers is that they are bringing back the Kujo next year They will be debuting them at the Tapiei show stay tuned for coverage of that in March.
Roc D Azur 2015

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

The 1990s were strong at the Roc this year - IRC are back! In the 90s IRC tyres were run by many of the sports top racers, but they lost standing as the years passed and aren't a name we had heard from in many years. They have revamped and resurrected their XC tyres - the Mythos and had their new and slightly more aggressive Mibros on show too. The even better news for any nostalgic downhillers is that they are bringing back the Kujo next year! They will be debuting them at the Taipei show, stay tuned for coverage of that in March.

IRC also had this rather clever tyre lever designed specifically to help you mount tubeless tyres - with one end designed to help mounting and the other for unmounting.
IRC also had this rather clever tyre lever designed specifically to help you mount tubeless tyres - with one end designed to help mounting and the other for unmounting.

They were growing tyre levers over at Schwalbe.
They were growing tyre levers over at Schwalbe.

Riders protection had their new mountain bike range on display. They are a ski brand that dates all the way back to 1927 but this is their first mountain bike range. They have a full range of gloves that cover everything from full-blown DH to XC and heated gloves for winter they are also doing body armour with a lightweight option on display that features extensive D3O protection and looks like it could do well for enduro racing.
Roc D Azur 2015

Roc D Azur 2015

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

Racer protection had their new mountain bike range on display. They are a ski brand that dates all the way back to 1927, but this is their first mountain bike range. They have a full range of gloves that cover everything from full-blown DH to XC (and heated gloves for winter), they are also doing body armour with a lightweight option on display that features extensive D3O protection and looks like it could do well for enduro racing.

Roc D Azur 2015
Roc D Azur 2015

This is a clever idea from the guys at Riders - a replacement peak with a built in helmetcam mount. They had pre-production models on display that will fit Troy Lee and POC lids the design is very much based on the design of the Troy Lee D3 .
This is a clever idea from the guys at Racer - a replacement peak with a built in helmetcam mount. They had pre-production models on display that will fit Troy Lee and POC lids (the design is very much based on the design of the Troy Lee D3).

100 had the final production colours of their impressive-looking full facer on show.
Roc D Azur 2015

100% had the final production colours of their impressive-looking full facer on show.

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80 Comments
  • 28 0
 Those 100% helmets look so nice
  • 2 3
 probably the best looking full face on the market
  • 22 1
 Props to Carminade for something unique
  • 3 0
 Gotta love the French, never afraid to to come out with something insane and way before its time. I actually really want that fork
  • 15 0
 Bringing back URT bikes?


FAIL.
  • 4 1
 Looked like crank bros mare a frame for a second.
  • 5 1
 Holy slack seattube batman!
  • 15 1
 It looks like a beautifully made pile of crap.
  • 3 1
 that is what I said
  • 3 0
 Looks like a mountain bike made by a steel frame roadie who's never ridden a mountain bike
  • 2 0
 What's interesting is that we could've feasibly converted the Trek Y's into full suspension single speeds.
  • 11 1
 If GPS companies could focus on making their GPS devices not suck, and stop worrying about making other crap, that would be great.
  • 10 0
 I want to get a Rohlhoff hub just so I can bring it into my LBS and ask them to service it.
  • 9 1
 You would be waiting a long time. You could ride that hub around the world without a service, and probably without oil. I have been abusing mine for five years now, and it's even smoother than when new. When I am in the earth, pushing up daisies, my kids will still be riding it.
  • 3 0
 Uncle, 10 years down the line and still going strong without a service! He is getting it serviced in a few weeks though as he is planning a trip across Asia.
  • 2 6
flag Lagr1980 (Oct 9, 2015 at 10:37) (Below Threshold)
 I seriously dont have anything against sophistication, and suspension is one of those things that is sophisticated to some extent but reliable nowadays (you dont tear down a fork in the side of the singletrack to fix it, normally) but I just want to keep my drivetrain simple... I see a Rohlhoff all I think is "I would never fix that sh*t"....
  • 3 1
 Seriously. Is a derailler really THAT bad?
  • 7 0
 No of course not. But every bike I've worked on with a Rohloff has never had anything needed doing to it.
  • 2 5
 Most people who own those hubs buy them to be different, not because they log tons of mileage.
  • 4 1
 Yes derailleurs are bad. They're efficient, but fragile and a pain in the ass to keep clean.
  • 1 3
 Cleaning a derailer is simple. Remove chain, undo the wire, remove bolt, clean derailer and put the derailer back on. How is any step in the process a "pain in the ass"? You need to remove the chain to clean it anyways.
  • 2 0
 Do you see the gears located on the outside of a rally car or 4x4? The chain drive and derailleur are something a Victorian would recognise, located in a terrible position exposed to the elements. Internal drive and gear systems are THE way ahead, the technology is there to make them robust and light enough to match that of the Victorian tech. However built in obsolesce and an industry full of half wits means we wont see a "commercially viable" solution anytime soon.
  • 1 1
 In case you didn't notice, the gearboxes in cars are incredibly complicated pieces that require synchros in order for the average person to shift smoothly and consistently. I can explain how a derailleur works in about 10 seconds. Tell me how a 5 speed transmission with synchromesh works.
  • 1 1
 Also, tell me about your plans for a shaft drive bicycle
  • 2 1
 There are many shaft driven bicycles mate...
  • 2 0
 @mnorris122 You're completely off topic. The point here is the option of a reliable sealed system for bikes, not complexity of rally car drive trains.
  • 3 0
 Yes prop driven bikes have been around for years and are a great solution. The weight is often the issue but nothing modern materials can't solve. As I said it won't however happen in the mainstream until the price point per unit makes it attractive to the accounting department. In actual fact gearbox systems in automotive are not that complex, cogs, strait cut or syncro, dog ring, shafts, lubricant and casing. The math behind gear profiles is what it is and solutions exist in abundance. THE complex things humans present over combustion engines is force, sudden and lots of it! The "clever" uh hu people at Bosch spent millions on early e-bike motor technology only to discover that if you smash a pedal off the ground it wrecks the internals due to a sudden load in a less desirable direction to the internal drive parts. I'm often amused by half wit 'educated' engineers with degrees and no practical skills making this kind of cock up.
  • 1 0
 Exactly. Mountain bike gear box enthusiasts need to understand that just because they are ideal for an internal combustion engine, doesn't mean they are applicable for the human power plant. What about a CVT?
  • 3 1
 The one thing gearbox fans fail the realize is they have a lot of internal friction and you don't have a few hundred horsepower to overcome it. Cleaning a derailleur system is hard? Really. If you use a good chain lube and only apply it when it needs to, and wipe off the excess, there is very little cleaning to do. If you do it right the chain only comes off when it gets replaced.
  • 2 0
 Have you ever ridden a Rohloff? There is no noticeable friction compared to a normal wheel.
  • 1 0
 I get it, cleaning a derailleur is hard/not that hard, but the big picture is we have these dangly bits of metal hanging from our bikes. There has to be a better way. It's like someone in 1925 saying a phonograph works just fine, it plays pure recorded sound. And then comes along an iPod with streaming music. Game changer. Imagine a world where gears were simply part of the bottom bracket and you'd never have to think about it. It could easily even be electronic, like Di2, but with a completely invisible drivetrain that just 'works'.
  • 1 1
 Friction is an issue for sure, the chain is so efficient with minimal power loss. There is always a trade off whichever way it goes, dangling bits that cost a fortune getting ripped off by rocks and so on or stronger legs from an added bit of resistance. Lets hope we can minimise the drag and get internal gearing sorted. Imagine coming at the thing the other way! Lets say if internal gears with their drag were the norm, everyone does it. Would you swap that for the new craze of 'the chain' with its efficiency and the deraillieur?
  • 10 0
 That Victoire 29er gets me all hot and bothered about hardtails. Fine lookin' machine.
  • 1 0
 Check out their website and facebook page, they build some ridiculously good looking frames.
  • 7 2
 Pierre Perrin clearly didn't that having the pivot in front of the bottom bracket means you have zero damping for your legs meaning they take all the impact the rear end of the bikes does, this was proven with the Klein Mantra in the 90s... He would have been better going with a bottom bracket mounted pivot to get around the problem of the belt drive.
  • 3 3
 You indeed lose effectiveness, so it is not quite a good idea, but it is also not as bad as you claim it to be. If you look at the chainstay as a big lever, the bottom bracket is roughly at 9/10th of the chainstay, so it loses 10% effectiveness compared to if the pivot would be around the bb.
Still a weird to go for a set up that is 10% less effective.

What you described would be true if the bb would be in side of the rear hub.
  • 4 1
 While the distance from the rear axle is relatively far, putting 90% of the bike/rider mass on an unsprung part of the frame will cause the suspension to be rather more than 10% less effective!
  • 7 1
 Aren't BB-concentric main pivots rather difficult to execute, though? Particularly when you're not Specialized and are building by hand? URT certainly has serious shortcomings, but seeing as Mr. Perrin wanted a belt drive AND rear suspension, I can see why he'd go that route.

Anyway, who knows? Maybe he descends with his feet up.
  • 3 0
 @Bluefire, BB concentric pivots aren't that difficult to make, but they tend to come out very heavy unless you have the time/money to something clever like making the cranks and swing arm share the bearing.
  • 6 0
 Oxide Cycles found a way around the issue on their Battleaxe, and they build by hand too. Good pivot position, fully active, Rohloff hub. They could probably do belt drive it you wanted. You just have to work the problem. Check this thing out:

4.bp.blogspot.com/-cGCm551KHNI/Ux5Yy2p1nSI/AAAAAAAADL0/32BG4hcE9Jw/s1600/Oxide_Battleaxe_wholebike_main.jpg
  • 6 0
 Integrated head cam mounts on a visor…. genius.
  • 1 0
 I did something similar with epoxy and a shaved gopro mount. Works well. I had to make the same cut outs for the thumb screw.
  • 1 1
 the mount would be better though if it was on the helmet itself, not on the visor
  • 3 0
 A tire specific tire lever? "Only for IRC tubeless". So would it not work with my High Rollers? Will it damage my tires or void the warranty? Or are they just TTP?
  • 3 0
 KUJO DH is Back !!!!F**k Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 Kujo! Woop woop!
  • 1 0
 Just had a set of orange hope e4's fotted today. The colour is so much better looking in the flesh realll shiney ktm
  • 3 0
 This Radon is sexy.
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know the brand of this kids run bike? ep1.pinkbike.org/p6pb12771536/p5pb12771536.jpg
  • 1 0
 Moustache, a french brand:
www.moustachebikes.com

Commencal has also a full line from run bike to 24" DH for kids.
  • 1 0
 Thank you. I like this run bike. It is look cool with C-dale Leftylike style. I wonder is it this brand alone with same run bike
  • 2 0
 I hope IRC sticks with the red sidewalls on their tires.
  • 1 0
 a Rohloff is my DREAM! seriously Im gonna ride Singlespeed till I can afford a Rohloff.
  • 1 0
 Can you buy those orange andonized hope parts?
  • 1 0
 Yeah mate they have replaced gunsmoke for orange I got my orane e4's delivered 1st of October
  • 2 2
 the HOPE stuff in orange on that santa cruz looks sexy as fuck
  • 2 0
 On one hand it's cool to see Hope moving into carbon production and a good sign that the company is doing really well (as they never try any expansion that they can't 100% afford to fail) - on the other hand their aluminium design and styling is so iconic and consistent that it will be odd to see completely different looking Hope parts out there!
  • 1 0
 That Motion Fork. Wtf?
  • 1 0
 Quick google search brings up nothing. Interesting to say the least.
  • 1 3
 Amp fork . Its been done.
  • 2 1
 How does it eliminate brake dive? Does it increase the rake as it compresses? Would love to see it in an independent test against the big players though...
  • 2 2
 what happened with the comments regarding bruni?
  • 2 0
 not sure why i get negproped

www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/2016-Racing-Rumours,8720?page=5
here is what i'm talking about
  • 2 0
 Yeah!

Both my comments about the (now removed) photo of Loic's Rainbow striped Lapierre have been deleted.
They are still in my account details though.

What's up Pinkbike?
  • 1 1
 I guess they are affraid it could unplease some sponsors
  • 1 3
 wow... hope stuff is pretty ugly.... i understand they want to be like RF-tough in the 90's but they seem to be stucked in no man lands....
  • 1 2
 But it does look like canyon strive
  • 1 3
 The Radon and the above Sunn bikes look almost identical... Good but very very similar.
  • 2 1
 The Radon frame layout looks pretty much spot-on the same as my transition patrol. I realize the linkage drives the design, but with the exception of the seat to top tube brace (and the heinous route around the shock back into the frame - looks like last minute change) it could pretty much be the same frame.
  • 1 1
 Like my Norco sight
  • 1 0
 The Radon and Sunn do look similar but the Sunn looks miles better!
  • 3 5
 Doesn't look like a session







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