I hate instagram....I want to watch the videos posted there, but I will not succumb to having a social media account beyond my pinkbike subscription, and it won't let me without logging into Facebook or IG. I have neither.
I also dislike it and refuse to make an account but we have to acknowledge that social media is a huge part of allows these athletes to make a living. So i don't like it and i don't participate but i don't get salty about missing out.
@colincolin: They're not interested in sucking out your free time and dopamine, they're interested in your data. And not even your individual data, but you as a single datapoint within a huge mass of data which they can use to influence.
Welp the athletes chose to use THEIR social media to share their experience. It would be nice if the ESPN did Rampage week like the UFC does fight week.
@n734535: SM essentially being a requirement for many people's success is a part of why I am salty. Sure it brings a lot of good things. But I also think it has created more bad than good, especially when you look at how it influences behavior. I'm a little embarrassed this thread made it to the top, but I am salty.
Man - obviously the bikes and the riders have come on leaps and bounds over the years but can we appreciate the dig crews for a sec?? Carving what almost looks like concrete skateparks out of the dustiest, loosest terrain. Incredible work boys.
Feel like Brett has more time on the saddle as of recent given that last little docu that came out. With the single crown shenanigans looks like he's been putting in a ton of work, plus his performance at proving grounds looks like he's whipping the bike around pretty confidently. Could be a toss up between the two, I think last year semenuk did some of these single crown tricks when no one else was and that alone warranted a high score, but this year he won't be the only one doing it. One thing that Brett hasn't always matched Semenuk with is line choice/uniqueness/overall dig. Last year the holy-shitness of brandons line didn't really hit me until I saw the tmobile drone flyover of his line, only then did I realize just how big some of the features he was doing these tricks off was. That vid really put in perspective the scale of Brandon's line and combined with the new single crown tricks he was able to go unanswered.
I wanna know how they know that canyon gap is gonna work before they do it. Do they just eyeball or is there like a math rule of thumb? The stakes seem pretty high to just eyeball the build
@stress-less: in engineering words: state-of-the-art advanced bio-integrated hardware based virtual simulation capable of accounting for all variables.
Grew up snowboarding... eventually went on to get some minor sponsors and flow, competed in the mid pack a lot, nothing too serious but would go on the odd shoot and have to help build some big ass kickers to film/shoot on. But back in my early teenage years, when our little local crew first starting building jumps... I can't tell you how many times we hiked into the back country, spotted what looked like an epic hit spot... spent hours building what was going to be the most amazing jump snowboarding had every seen... to then have barely enough speed to even get to the lip, or we'd just plop off the end... haha.. pretty hilarious to think back on some of the dumb shit we built as kids, but you live and learn, it was all good experience, good fun and great memories. We also built some very serious shit... sometimes we'd finish a build and realize our egos were bigger than our brains and no one would even hit it. When I go back to my home mountain every once in a while... still drive by an insane road gap we built and think "man, should get the boys together and rebuild that thing", haha. Eventually, you learn from all your builds and it kind of becomes second nature as to what will work and what won't.
I'd assume it's the same for these guys but mountain biking... they've all been building this stuff for years and years and just innately know what will and what won't go.
@islandforlife: This is pretty much it. Once you get experience you just kind of know. It's just feel and sort of a spatial awareness.
Seems like a silly comparison but at its core its really no different than something like a basketball player shooting a ball or a QB throwing a football. A top QB in the NFL can throw while on the run, and hit a moving target 40 yards downfield, thats surrounded by defenders, with a window to throw of only a few feet most times. All on the fly in a fraction of a second they can judge how hard, at what angle, etc they need to throw to hit that target.
These bikers are no different. They can for the most part just look at a jump/gap, judge the size, distance, and angles and have a pretty good idea of how fast they need to go and how to jump it.
@sino428: Yep, was also going to add... same with snowboarding for me. I've been doing it for so long that I can kind of just cruise up to anything and know in an instant if it's do-able or not... even as I'm riding up to it without even stopping to check (low consequence, non-blind stuff). Again, it's all about experience.
@islandforlife: I get that, we can all do that stuff on normal sized jumps, but the canyon gap is on another scale, but also I guess these riders are used to working on a similar scale...
@islandforlife: Agreed, exactly the same in snowboarding. I'm getting old now so I don't do anything to big these days but I used to be the same way. Could just look at a jump or even just drop into it and have a pretty good idea if the speed was right or not just by feel.
@PauRexs: yeah I don’t know how he will land such a steep landing that is basically a plumb drop. Another thing I was wondering is how was Semenuk able to find a line he wanted to build if he missed the beginning of the dig days?
@srsiri23w: If you watch Kyle's video you can see he was there for the registration...Guessing he was there day 1...flew out, did the race then flew back.
They would, but probably got kicked out for building wheelchair- and hospitalbedsjumps in the hallways. "Go dig your jumps in the desert" so that's where they are now.
The level of riding is so good! I'm ranking tiers here. They're all rad. tier 1: Semenuk Rheeder Godziek tier 2: TVS Sorge Lacondeguy Stark 3: Boggs Nell Riddle 4: TommyG Strait Zink TMac Storch ... Brandt Then there's the I don't know em but I can't wait for the show: William Robert / Alex Volokhov
Nice, I like this ranking. Hoping for someone else than Semenuk to win this time though, a run with a little more bike big fast open face riding in it, and less slopestyle-lesque.
I'm wondering the percent split on people who watch it for cool lines and tricks or watching to see someone ragdoll down a desert mountain slope. Rampage is the NASCAR of MTB where all we are really interested in is the carnage.
I'll get hell for this. Yes, the size of the jumps/drops are incredible and their skill is through the roof - but every take-off and landing are perfectly groomed and matched - it ends looking like a slope style course built into the side of a mountain.
With the risk being so high, deadly cliffs on both sides, you don want bumps, rocks or bushes pushing you from your line. Eliminate as many factors as you can to be comfortable enough to trick and ride this crazy shit.
I like how everyone ignores your point by saying its soo dangerous to do 50 foot gaps in raw terrain. Exactly... We're saying enough with the fest series courses with a scenic backdrop lol. But this debate will never end.
We all know eventually somebody will do a fest series version of Rampage for true free riding, then somebody will promote it on IG, and the riders will vote kick him off the free ride island for not being core enough. This is the cycle. This is the way.
Brendan Fairclough built gnarly, exposed, loose, deadly looking lines that definitely didn't look like perfectly groomed slopestyle courses, lines that audiences at home couldn't believe and couldn't get enough of, and... he repeatedly got underscored years in a row and eventually stopped coming back to Rampage. So I think riders know what the judges like to see and they build that.
@TEAM-ROBOT: If you watch the edits that these riders are putting out, you Will notice that they are all "sMooThly gRoOmed sLope CouRsEs" that ""aren't gnarly enough"". A perfect example of this is Remy Mortons latest edit. I think its an absolute hammer and an amazing video, but if you look closely you will notice that it is all extremely smooth and "too well groomed". These riders are building and riding what THEY want to ride, so I think if people want to belittle what these guys are doing they can go qualify for Rampage an show em whos boss. Or at least go make an edit of a loose raw line down a rampage site.
Don’t forget that it’s the riders and their dig crews that build those lines - if someone really wanted to take off and land in a pile of rubble they could, but what would be the point? It’s simply not possible to go this huge and expect a favorable outcome without extensive take off and landing prep.
Is it different than the original Rampage? Of course. Have people been complaining about the same things year after year? Yep. Is it still going to be an entertaining spectacle? Undoubtedly.
@NoahJ: Fair play. I say the cause is the judges, you say it's the riders, but either way it seems like we agree the courses are pretty smooth looking these days. So I guess we both agree with the OP, it looks pretty smooth these days.
@mikekazimer: For sure. Lemme preface by saying no doubt the event has changed, and I realize these guys are literally are risking life and limb to put on a show for people, but no one is asking them to go this huge either. I think there are some (including myself) who just appreciate the rawness of what Rampage used to be and have a hard time understanding that you can incorporate slopestyle jumps and such into the earth because after all, it is private land and they are allowed to do as they wish to keep themselves safe upon launch and landing. I will never have the balls to do this stuff and there will always be the critics out there wishing they could do this shit (AKA me).
@mikekazimer: well they get a week to build (3 dig, 4 practice/dig) with two guys and and like 75 sandbags now, so yeah they're going to make perfect take offs and landings that are massive. How different would the lines look with one person to help you dig, half the amount of sandbags, and 4 days total to build/practice though? Still the same even playing field across the board then, and maybe the total-air time is a lot less, but surely would result in less of this cleancut ridgeline slopestyle
Woh woh woh woh woh ! First, it's still gnarly as f... Segundo, wait till you see the lines from Strait down a gigantic 90 degrees chute!!! If thats what you're after...
It looks like a very very steep slope style course with completely blind take offs that are triple the size of FMB courses, potential death for just simple mistakes, and requires perfect amount of braking to get the right speed for each jump. I agree that if you just look at the lips, berms, and landings individually, they look very smooth and boring. Note that back in the first few rampages, the winners (both Wade and Tyler) I believe actually crashed in their winning runs. Most riders crashed. For most riders back then, every drop was a dice roll on whether they would crash because of how loose it was. And most drops were much smaller than now.
I agree though, I love it when riders like fairclough or vestavik build such a cool raw line together. I often think it would be cool to try another old school rampage contest where the riders only have 1 day to scratch a line in and see how it goes. There would be no massive drops/jumps (or maybe there could be some pre built ones) but would still be really awesome.
@two-plank: It would be very similar to how it was back in 2013, since that is about what they had. Then after that the riders all got together and demanded a few changes, which is where we are now.
@bmar: it's way more dangerous.because the smooth sections are packed down like concrete, and dudes are trying front flips over canyons. it was better and safer when it was natural drops. and style.
@chwk: That's what Freeriding is and what RBR was originally intended to be and why Brendon Fairclough's line was so amazing; keeping it true to it's roots with minimal grooming RAW Dirty and Gnarly AF
@KeithShred: Absolutely. Isn't it interesting how everyone saying its not rough, too groomed, too much like slopestyle, etc. have never been there in person? I can guarantee they would all poo their pants and most wouldn't even make it to the starting gate hiking up.
@scott-townes: nah. I've been there several times and have hiked up all of the Rampage sites. I've ridden the lower section (not saying I rode it well, but I did ride it and hit a few of the less insane jumps). Happened to be there a couple times when some insta-famous riders were hitting it right after Rampage. First off, almost no one hikes up the face to the starting gate. you pretty much can't. There's a path that goes up the much less steep back of it, and helicopters also get used a lot. Second, I stand by what I said above, which is that I'm super impressed with what the riders and dig crews can accomplish, but also am bummed that it's turned into slopestyle built in the side of a desert cliff. I just personally like watching the looser freeride stuff better.
@owenskyle4: yeup, Icon sender, canyon gap and a few other pre-built features. They also lead to some of the most unbelievable moments in freeride history. Interesting how that works....
@owenskyle4: Was funny I was watching some of the past years highlights and the "manicured" take-offs and landings everyone complains about now have always been there. So have the slopestyle tricks. Hell like you said they even had straight up wooden features. On top of that, I even saw some competing on single crowns! If you ask me the only thing that's changed about Rampage is the sheer magnitude and rider skills.
@yoimaninja: the types of riders have changed, no more BK or Brendog, or Minaar, or Metailler or Aggy. More slope dudes and the freerider vets of course. But that shows the progression that the DHers don't fit anymore, but they have a different skillet that is relateable
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Grew up snowboarding... eventually went on to get some minor sponsors and flow, competed in the mid pack a lot, nothing too serious but would go on the odd shoot and have to help build some big ass kickers to film/shoot on. But back in my early teenage years, when our little local crew first starting building jumps... I can't tell you how many times we hiked into the back country, spotted what looked like an epic hit spot... spent hours building what was going to be the most amazing jump snowboarding had every seen... to then have barely enough speed to even get to the lip, or we'd just plop off the end... haha.. pretty hilarious to think back on some of the dumb shit we built as kids, but you live and learn, it was all good experience, good fun and great memories. We also built some very serious shit... sometimes we'd finish a build and realize our egos were bigger than our brains and no one would even hit it. When I go back to my home mountain every once in a while... still drive by an insane road gap we built and think "man, should get the boys together and rebuild that thing", haha. Eventually, you learn from all your builds and it kind of becomes second nature as to what will work and what won't.
I'd assume it's the same for these guys but mountain biking... they've all been building this stuff for years and years and just innately know what will and what won't go.
Seems like a silly comparison but at its core its really no different than something like a basketball player shooting a ball or a QB throwing a football. A top QB in the NFL can throw while on the run, and hit a moving target 40 yards downfield, thats surrounded by defenders, with a window to throw of only a few feet most times. All on the fly in a fraction of a second they can judge how hard, at what angle, etc they need to throw to hit that target.
These bikers are no different. They can for the most part just look at a jump/gap, judge the size, distance, and angles and have a pretty good idea of how fast they need to go and how to jump it.
However, the most spectacular one at Rampage imho came from TvS.
Szymon Godziek (POL) 2nd place
Kurt Sorge (CAN) 3rd place
tier 1: Semenuk Rheeder Godziek
tier 2: TVS Sorge Lacondeguy Stark
3: Boggs Nell Riddle
4: TommyG Strait Zink TMac Storch ... Brandt
Then there's the I don't know em but I can't wait for the show: William Robert / Alex Volokhov
Is it different than the original Rampage? Of course. Have people been complaining about the same things year after year? Yep. Is it still going to be an entertaining spectacle? Undoubtedly.
I agree though, I love it when riders like fairclough or vestavik build such a cool raw line together. I often think it would be cool to try another old school rampage contest where the riders only have 1 day to scratch a line in and see how it goes. There would be no massive drops/jumps (or maybe there could be some pre built ones) but would still be really awesome.
"RAMPAGE IS TOO GROOMED!"
Pinkbike, ya'll killin me.