Saracen Launch New Mantra LSL Hardtails

Jun 19, 2023 at 6:33
by Saracen Bikes  
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PRESS RELEASE: Saracen

If you thought the hardtail was dead, you need to think again. The LSL series (which stands for low, slack, long) from Saracen has been not only keeping hardtail riding alive but pushing the boundaries by making bikes that are more trail capable than ever before. In an increasingly full suspension world, there will always be room for a rowdy hardtail designed to maximise fun and minimise fuss. An XC bike this is not.

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The Mantra Race LSL retails for £2,799.99

All three models are built around a custom butted and hydroformed 6061 aluminium frameset with geometry designed to make progressive look old school – they’re not called long, slack and low for nothing.

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The Mantra Trail LSL retails for £1,499.99

As you’ve probably guessed, the differences in the models are spec-based. The Mantra Trail combines Deore and SLX 12-speed components with Deore M6100 brakes, a Rock Shox RK35 140mm Silver fork and KS Race I 150mm dropper, while the Elite takes things up a notch with a mix of SLX and XT but using Magura’s MT5 to handle braking, and Marzocchi Bomber Z2 fork. At the top of the range the flag ship Mantra Race goes full Shimano Deore XT 12-speed with 4-pot XT brakes, a KS Lev Integra dropper and a Fox F36 Performance Elite fork to make up a very tasty package indeed.

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The Mantra Elite LSL retails for £1,899.99

The three bikes in the range starts with the Trail LSL at £1499.99, then the Elite at £1899.99 and finally the Race which is £2799.99. All are available from both Freewheel and the Saracen Bikes website now. Head to www.saracen.co.uk to find out more.

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  • 57 0
 ‘If you thought the hardtail was dead’

Literally nobody who rides in the U.K. thinks the hardtail is dead.

A well-specced, burly hardtail is a thing of great usefulness when 90% of the time the trails are steep, wet and muddy.
  • 10 50
flag motdrawde (Jun 20, 2023 at 10:38) (Below Threshold)
 Hardtails are dead
  • 5 0
 100%
  • 5 0
 @motdrawde: i read that as sarcasm
  • 2 1
 I read that, then I didn't bother to read anymore.
  • 34 1
 “An XC bike this is not” —- shown riding a smooth path with what looks like a landscape gravel surface. Who has trails like this?!
  • 5 1
 There are a lot of trails like this in the uk
  • 22 0
 came here to make sure it could handle a proper skid turn...leaving satisfied
  • 8 2
 Wouldn’t buy another Saracen hardtail. Cracked my Mantra carbon chainstay and there was no support other than a new alloy frame for a different wheel size at trade. Umm no thanks. I chucked it and bought a Nukeproof for less. It rode great and most of all didn’t crack!
  • 7 0
 Another bike with at least 20mm too-long seat tubes. I assume that it means the vendor saves money as they can provide a shorter travel dropper. Still disappointing that this continues to happen.
  • 3 0
 Dude it is so frustrating. get those seat tubes LOW!
  • 3 0
 Came here to say this. Zero need for a 510mm ST on a trail bike these days even if you're 6' 8". Even BrandX are knocking out 200mm droppers now, for £140.
You can't trumpet the whole 'long low slack' thing if only two of those apply
  • 3 0
 It is nice they make a hardtail, it is just that of all the great hardtails out there, I won't necessarily pick this one. If I were to pick a stock hardtail, I'd probably get a Cotic BFe. If I were on a budget, On One makes very rideable stuff too. But considering the kind of money people seem to spend on bikes these days, you can even get an "affordable" frame with custom geometry so you can get something that's perfect for you and aligns your vision of what a frame should be like. Great if you happen to be dick about things.

As for whatever is dead, I know there are people having a field day keeping lists and warning us whenever dead bike parts stroll into the market. We could be grateful or we couldn't care less. I opt for the latter.
  • 1 0
 Speaking of On-One, aren't they shutting off?
  • 1 0
 @nozes: OnOne seem to operate through Planet X solely now rather than their own website.
There prices are a joke these days.
They used to be good value.
  • 1 0
 @YukonMog: On One always was a side of Planet X, wasn't it? Planet X used to be a hardcore trials and dirt jump brand and at some point they came with the On One stuff of which the main difference I could see was the lack of paint (or at least a clear coat so that you could see the dark heat affected zones). They now only seem to sell online through their own web platform but then again, so does Commencal (which used to be sold through stores too). For some reason, Planet X became a road cycling brand. I thought bikes like the Hello Dave were relatively cheap but I just checked when writing this comment and things have changed indeed. Not sure what happened. I'm pretty sure the frame prices used to be about a sixth of what I'm seeing now, not even that long ago. Never thought I'd see the day that a steel On One could be more expensive than a Cotic BFe. Some of these steel On One frames now are about as much as I paid for my custom BTR frame!
  • 1 0
 @vinay: I've read in more than one place that Planet X (and On-One) are closing doors.
I built my first 29er in 2016 with a On-One Inbred frame that costed me 180€,last time I checked similar frames were going for 600+ euros...add to that the super high cost of shipping and aditional taxes and it's not a big surprise they are struggling.
Brexit victims,as many others,I guess.
  • 1 0
 @nozes: Yeah I bought a lot of their stuff until Brexit, after which it really didn't make sense anymore. It was also always my first place to check when people new to the sport were looking for a bike. A 456(evo) was a great place to start no matter what specialization people gravitate towards eventually.
  • 5 0
 This thing's a mullet? And with a 440 chainstay? I'd be curious to give it a rip
  • 1 2
 Seems pretty long for a mullet hardtail.
  • 3 1
 I don't like the look of the s-bend in the downtube. The bend in the top looks great and strengthens up the head tube area. It would look so great with a tube that went straight to the BB.

Other than my pretentious aesthetic opinion, 10/10 looks like a great bike, and I would ride it and love it, even with that massively cavernous front triangle.
  • 2 0
 Most likely using the downtube off a FS frame as they need that lower bend to clear the shock or water bottle cage. No reason in the world to us one on a HT frame other than to look pretentious.
  • 2 0
 Seat tubes are LONG,510 on an xl, I can make it work with a 210 dropper but not a 240. 470ish is great. also, will there be a full 29 option? The geo shows 2 numbers for the BB drop, is one for a 29?
  • 1 0
 I'm guessing the drop is quoted in relation to the 2 axle heights.
  • 4 0
 Dear bike industry, More of this, please. Sincerely, Non-dentists of the world.
  • 4 3
 Honestly doesn't feel that progressive... You put your sag on there and you end with a head tube angle of like 66 degrees. You g-out in a corner and have a head tube angle of 68 degrees.
Still looks fun and defs isn't XC, but also isn't wildly progressive.
Doctahawk is something like 62°...
  • 3 0
 Yea my Hello Dave is 62, and it feels unusually natural
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flag deeeight (Jun 20, 2023 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)
 LOL, talk about clueless. You need a SIGNIFICANT amount of sag to steepen a modern bike with a 64 deg HA out to 66. With a 140mm fork and the 1201mm wheelbase of the Small LSL, you'd need to be running about 40 to 50% Sag to effect the change you claimed. The old now wives tale about 1" of fork length = 1 degree of H.A. wasn't even correct when it started thirty two years ago. In the context of a 1066mm wheelbase (as was typical for a medium to large size 26er back in 1991), 21mm of fork length change equalled 1 degree of head angle change. But the longer the wheelbase the less the angle changes for different fork lengths. On a large size LSL the wheelbase is 1260mm, and 30% sag is going to alter the HA less than 30% sag would on the small size.
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 @deeeight: I hadn't actually crunched any numbers on that. Good to know.

But, if you halve all of the numbers and my point still remains, 64° is not that slack for a hardtail... My 63° hardtail feels a fair bit steeper than my 64.5° full suspension bike and I think it would still handle a few degrees before it started to handle poorly.

Also, give a dude a break. I am not gonna crunch numbers everytime I wanna BS on pink bike about bikes. You can correct somebody without being a jerk...
  • 1 0
 @Shitass: ¡Sick! ...
  • 2 1
 @deeeight: this is complete nonsense you owe the guy an apology.
Increasing sag increases HA. Assuming your axles are level the length of the bike is irrelevant.

I had a tandem with a Recon up front once.
Check out Reverse components - a 10mm spacer to adjust 0.5 HA.
So 20mm per degree.
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 @YukonMog:

No, I don't. Because you're even more clueless. The wheelbase length absolutely does affect the angle change with increases/decreases in height at either end of the bike. 20mm at the end of a 1200mm wheelbase is going to have a lesser change than when applied to a 1000mm wheelbase. That you don't understand that is not my problem. That Reverse Components offers a clever bit of advertising to get idiots who don't know math to buy their product doesn't make it factual. And I never said increasing the sag didn't increase the HA. I said it took an enormous amount of sag to achieve the 2 degree change he was claiming.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: I think we get what you are saying and even agree, but the conversation has moved from "head tube angles changing with fork travel" to "being a decent human being", one of which you are clearly more versed in than the other.
  • 2 0
 Frame only would be nice...
  • 1 0
 So would something other than unreliable KS dropper posts.
  • 1 0
 Can't help but feel smug seeing the industry come back to 650b like this.... I've been over here all along, BOYO.
  • 2 0
 just wait til 26 comes back
  • 2 0
 @MuddyFoxCourierComp: I would really like mini-mullets (27.5/26) to become more common for non-race DH and freeride bikes but I know it'll never happen.

I Turned my 27.5 DH bike into a mini mullet as a last resort when I exploded a rear wheel and a friend had an old 26" DH wheel on hand and now I don't want to go back. Its at least partly due to my riding style, but the confidence scrubbing jumps and cornering is insane
  • 2 0
 Not a single proper side shot...
  • 1 1
 Fair point! Sorry about that. Check out our website for all the bike images you need and let us know if you need anything else - www.saracen.co.uk
  • 2 0
 Could do with a side on shot without a riders leg in the way and some geo
  • 1 0
 Fair point! Sorry about that, if you check out our website you should be able to find all the images you need. Let us know if not. Geo charts can be found there too - www.saracen.co.uk
  • 1 0
 “An XC bike this is not.” No because XC bikes are full suspension these days
  • 2 0
 Take my money
  • 2 0
 Dartmoor
  • 1 0
 Hardtail gang gang
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