To the Point: Power Meters

Nov 29, 2013 at 12:12
by Mike Kazimer  
For many competitive road cyclists, power meters have become an integral part of their training program, allowing them to monitor their wattage output and alter their workouts accordingly. Until recently, the use of a power meter hadn't been as common with mountain bikers. The number of options approved for off-road usage was limited, and many were prohibitively priced, especially for the privateer racer. That's beginning to change, and with the growth of enduro racing, more and more racers are starting to look towards training with power as a viable option. We spoke with Matt Pacocha, Stages Cycling's marketing manager, to find out more about power meters and their usage as a training tool for mountain bike racing.



How does a power meter work?

We should talk briefly about power in the most basic sense, first. By definition ‘power’ is the rate at which work is done. When speaking about power in the context of riding a bike, power is the force that the rider puts into their pedals multiplied by the speed (or cadence) at which they apply said force. There are two ways for a rider to make more power on a bike: apply a higher force at a steady cadence, or pedal faster while applying a steady force. A true force-based power meter measures ‘power’ by measuring force through the deflection of a component—crank arm, spider, or torque-tube in a hub—multiplied by the RPM of the rider. This explanation is simplified, as there are unit conversions that need to happen, but this is a reasonable way to understand the basis of the feat.

Crank based meters like our Stages Power meter use strain gauges to measure the deflection of the left crank arm caused by a rider’s pedaling input. We measure a rider’s cadence using multiple
sensors on our PCB (printed circuit board) including an accelerometer, which eliminates the need for an externally mounted magnet. Keeping a magnet aligned to measure cadence on a mountain bike is more of a challenge than one would believe.

Above all, it’s important for riders to understand that a power meter is merely a tool, and it’s up to riders to learn how to use the tool—or employ a coach—in order for it to better their performance with it.


What are the most common types of power meters available for mountain biking? Is one kind more accurate than another?

Power meters come in the same forms for mountain riding as they do for road use. They can be spider, hub, or in the case of Stages Power, crank arm based. Each design has its own benefits and costs.

A hub increases unsprung weight and requires adjustments to damping settings and spring weights. It’s also a wear item. A spider-mounted meter must deal with a myriad of factors that can affect their deflection measurements, including chainline, chainring bolt torque, chainring size and the affect changes to all of these factors have on the meters ability to gather an accurate deflection measurement. While we are particularly proud of the job our design does in eliminating most of the above factors, we too deal with costs and benefits. You’ll note that though we take a very clean and accurate single sided measurement, we do assume symmetry on the rider’s part and double the value of their left leg.

All of these examples illustrate that each design has positives and negatives, and it really comes down to the design philosophy of the manufacturer and engineers. In the end, our internal testing, and the testing of countless third-party media outlets, basically support that all of these designs can do a decent job of measuring power when used to the manufacturers’ specifications.

Stages power meter. Photo credit Wil Matthews Photography.

The Stages Power meter only adds 20 grams to the non-drive side crank arm, is unaffected by temperature changes, and can transmit data via both ANT+ and Bluetooth.



Are there advantages over using a power meter vs. a heart rate monitor for training?

Absolutely. At present, power data is the most contemporary metric a rider, or their coach, can use to assess fitness and adaptation through training. Power offers more insight than any of the other metrics, because it exactly quantifies the amount of work the rider has done. It does this while being unaffected by wind, temperature or the condition of the rider. By integrating power data with other metrics like heart rate, speed, elevation gain and loss, a rider can clearly quantify gains and losses through training and racing. Furthermore, a power meter can be used as a pacing tool, so that a rider puts out the precise effort they need to get to a finish line as quickly as possible.

Why are power meters so expensive?

Ha! Right, everything is expensive these days. I tell you, the left crank arms we buy from Cannondale, Shimano, SRAM, and FSA are surprisingly expensive. But when it comes down to it, our power meter is a complex electronic device that measures deflection, cadence, and temperature in a challenging area with amazing precision.

The Stages Power meter spent three years in development before it was ready to be sold, which required a team of engineers to dial in hardware and firmware, this all cost money, of course. We’re proud that we’ve been able to cram all we have into our meter—that being ANT+, Bluetooth, accelerometers, thermistor thermometers, and memory—not to mention that cut the point of entry to the category in half.

We’re also very proud to be making them in right here in Boulder, Colorado, with American workers. We make a majority of the components in the US as well. The strain gauges are made in the US. We shoot our ABS/PC housings with a vendor here on the Front Range. Yes, this stuff is a bit more expensive, but it’s something that we have great control over and we’re proud of. The more riders get to know our company the more they’ll realize that we have a real set of ideals and ethics at our core, it’s not just about beating the price down as low as it can possibly go, but making a good product that works extremely well, and selling it a fair price, and by fair we mean fair to our customer, our company and ultimately the workers making it.

Stages power meter. Photo credit Wil Matthews Photography.

Yeti's Jared Graves uses a power meter extensively as part of his training regimen.


Power meters are used extensively by road cyclists, but what benefits would a power meter bring to a DH or enduro racer?

Power meters can help mountain bike racers many of the same ways. Obviously, the usage and translation is near identical in the cross-country and marathon realm, with it being an extraordinary advantage in regards to pacing the latter event.

The perfect case study for power in enduro is Yeti’s Jared Graves. This man is an amazing athlete. Jared also follows one of the strictest training regimens we’ve ever seen a cyclist follow. He drove a lot of development for us over the last year in regards to mountain bike use, and at Interbike he sent more than a few of his professional peers into our booth looking to gain advantage from our product. We can’t imagine a greater ‘thank you’ or true opinion than recommending a product to peers you respect.

The first thing our Stages Power meter did for Jared was to give him a map of what an enduro race looked like in terms of wattage output data. This allowed him to best tailor his training to match his race efforts. When a rider is racing a series annually with the same events year after year, having a year of data at their fingertips is of massive benefit. Jared now can say, “ok, Enduro des Nations is three weeks away, I need to fine tune this particular effort.” You can imagine the confidence this gives a pro. He can show up knowing his body is dialed for that specific event… it must be awesome.

The other advantage Jared mentioned was using our meter to pace the transfer stages, so that he would arrive to the specials on time, but without expending any more energy than needed. Again, a huge help when dealing with an event like Punta Ala with no up lifts.

For the downhillers, like Yeti’s junior downhill world champion, Richie Rude, using a power meter in racing is mostly about better understanding the effort—and where they falter—then dialing in their intervals to better train. Obviously, no one is looking at their numbers during a downhill race, but that data is still super important to understand and analyze post event.


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Photos: Wil Matthews Photography

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88 Comments
  • 173 6
 Once your old enough to afford one of those things - the only thing you measure is physical decay, decadence, inadequacy, mortality.
  • 40 0
 Deep.
  • 42 2
 Once your old enough to afford one of those things - you understand how its not needed (i hope).
Its better to fit a FUN meter, it only adds 0.65g to your brain's capacity to have fun on a bike.
  • 3 0
 so how much does it actually cost then?
  • 2 0
 IIRC like £600. Just for the left crank as well IIRC.
  • 2 0
 cycleops is not that expensive... only a leg or so Razz (they make good stuff)
  • 25 5
 Is it just me or is riding your bike becoming too serious? What happened to just going out & having a blast on your bike for a bit of fun & in the process you also get fitter? Come on guys, it's great as a serious training tool but for Jo average whether it's DH or not we need to get back to basics. If I do a run & it was good I just go back up & do it again!! Power meters, wheel sizes etc etc I know things have to progress but lets not lose sight of why we ride bikes. Too many specifics start to make people think that biking is getting too expensive & will have an adverse effect! Just saying.
  • 15 0
 I guess its serious when it is your job. You cannot give Graves anything but props for looking at ways to improved his performance.
  • 9 2
 For some of us "fun" means being able to ride further, and do it faster in order to cover more ground and explore more trails. When I started getting more serious about "training" I started finding all sorts of hidden single-track, and nearly untouched trails, stuff I flat out couldn't have made it previously.

Borrowed a power-meter for my road bike and learned a lot about how to ride faster, but more importantly how to ride longer. Centuries became much easier, and more importantly, less painful, I could ride 100 miles Saturday, and go for an MTB ride Sunday, previously centuries put me off the bike for a few days recovering. Likewise, I understand how to preserve myself on a marathon MTB ride, and where most of my riding buddies can't ride 2 days in a row, I can, despite them being in better overall shape than I am and generally being better riders than me. Taking it seriously has allowed me to ride 6-7 days/week, pedal through trails I used to think were impossible, and see some really cool stuff while out on my bike.

More miles = more smiles.
  • 4 0
 @maxyedor glad to see some people here get it. I'm not in the market for a power meter, but from my xc running days I can tell you that when it comes to training knowledge is power, and is often times more important than giving it your 100% every day. Training tools, whether it be a power meter or a book explaining muscle physiology, let you go faster and farther and ultimately have more fun in the long run. When you're really fit you can spend that much more time out on the trails honing the rest of your skills or just messing around, and if you're not panting and wheezing after each climb you'll have your shit together that much more on the descents.
  • 2 0
 To quote a racing buddy of mine "We only ride for fun... and it is more fun when you win!"
  • 2 0
 @maxyedor. You need to move to Australia where centuries are much easier. Here they are only 100 kms which is only 60 miles! Much easier to go MTB the next day! Smile
  • 3 0
 Don't get me wrong, I like to have fun riding my bike as much as anyone. However, when training inside during the winter, wattage is essential to tracking progress and train accordingly. Heart rate simply varies too much day to day for it to be an accurate measure.
  • 15 4
 Single most useful training tool you can get... But worthless for a majority of racers, since analyzing the data and generating a subsequent plan requires alot of time and experience, better left to a paid trainer.
  • 10 0
 i'd rather buy other stuff
  • 4 0
 I have used power meters on my road bikes for training for a number of years and find them very useful. The real benefit to me is having a repeatable way to measure fitness or performance over time. No other system can do this. The downside is that when you compare your power numbers vs. top pros you will realize what genetic freaks they are
  • 4 0
 question for matt pacocha, how is the stages as accurate as a spider based powermeter when most riders left/right pedal balances are usually not 50/50 and the balance also changes at different intensities? I didn't use amazing grammar there but for example I have 51/49 left right power balance usually but once I go up to 150% of my FTP my left right pedal balance changes dramatically almost to 35/65 sometimes, I'm not criticizing the stages power meter, I am looking into getting one but when a power2max is almost the same price then why not go for a power meter that's not effected by left/right pedal balance? (for the record I'm only looking at one to swap between bikes for road/cx and maybe xc, I don't see a point for dh/am power meters)
  • 3 0
 My guess is spider based power meters have their own built in inaccuracies since it is much more difficult to accurately measure strain on a spider. You have multiple load bearing beams and multiple ways for your force to be transfered. I would bet the error in left-right power transfer is probably similar to the error in computing strain in a spider.

I would think the most accurate would be through a hub where you have it straight laced drive side and crossed on nds (so you could measure the strain going through the body of the hub, which would act like thin walled cylinder strain). Though that method would be the most complex and add unsprung weight (as was noted in the article).
  • 1 0
 Google "dc rainmaker" and check out his review of four different power meters, including Stages, simultaneously. They all agree to within 2%. Nobody knows what to do with left/right power data (try to use your left leg more?!?), so I think it's pretty much worthless.
  • 1 0
 I'm aware that it's accurate but I'm curious as to why it's accurate to within 2% when so many people have different left/right power balances and it calculates power by doubling the power of the left crank arm... but patrick2cents your explanation works well, using 5 strain guages at once in the spider could get weird, I'd assume the powertap would be the most accurate is drivetrains were frictionless but if you keep your bike clean then it shouldn't be that inaccurate for day to day use, it doesn't have to be accurate, just the amount that it's inaccurate by can't change day to day, only issue with powertap is that many people don't train on the same wheels they race on
  • 6 0
 You are correct, of course only the leg is accurate to within 2%: it does not measure power from the right leg at all. However, knowing the absolute correct power number is not as important as knowing a relatively correct number so that you can base your training off of that. I don't care that much if my power meter says "210 W" while another says "200 W". I just care that it's consistently reading the same number so that I know if I'm getting stronger or weaker.
  • 1 0
 my only issue with it is that the amount that it's inaccurate by could change at different power zones, it's hard not to pedal sloppy under full power, but then again resistance from the chain probably changes at different speeds and torques so the other systems are probably inaccurate as well, I'm curious if you had a stages on the left and right side if that would make it more accurate, dropping it past SRM's science crank for accuracy even if it could go lower than 0.5%... it could be the lightest and most accurate power meter on the market and still be cheaper than SRM but then again I'm not an engineer
  • 1 0
 It doesn't matter if it reads differently at 250 or 550. All that matters is your mv02 work out this week compared to last week, and your interval workout this week to last week ect. I guess if you are making massive gains throughout the offseason, ei doing 15 minute intervals at 300watts in the fall and bumping up to 400 over the winter, your progress data could be a bit off. However, if you're also testing lactate, you should be able to get a hang of how much to bump up your power to receive the same reading. Better gauge than heart rate in any case, and light!
  • 1 0
 thanks actually, I didn't quite think about it like that, pedal power balance isn't really something that changes unless you work on it I guess
  • 7 1
 I really preferred it when they did Tech Tuesday. This new "Advertiser Sponsored Faux Article Tuesday" is kinda lame and offers very little.
  • 3 1
 Yes. Yes, please bring back Tech Tuesday. This article has no scientific information. It shows no graphs or read-outs from the device itself. It gives no examples of how a trainer might use the data to recommend specific exercises. I learned nothing from it. Its a sales piece through and through with some name dropping at the end. PB have endless brilliant videos and photos all day every day but there's a distinct lack of technical articles from experts rather than advertisers. If they're strapped for cash, I'd rather pay a subscription fee than have to get duped by stuff like this all the time.
  • 2 0
 Absolutely. These new "stories" are shameless.
  • 4 0
 This will make you faster if you take the time to learn to use it and train hard. If you like going fast and if you like the pain of a hard effort, this is for you. If not, buy cooler wheels and revalve your shock.

If you race, but train by just riding along "pinned" wait until you stop improving, then if you care, figure out how to train for real and get a power meter. You will be happy about it.

Training gives your engine more horsepower. It's hard to argue that more horsepower doesn't make you faster. Power Meters are the most effective training tool ever.
  • 1 1
 Why cant you just be in tune and listen to your body. If your training: Getting up your training hill faster will only happen with more power. Then all you need is a time piece.
  • 2 0
 @Sshredder pedaling hard is nowhere near as important as pedaling smart for events that require any kind of endurance. Doing a big climb in 20 minutes of even effort is completely different from doing the same hill in the same time as an interval workout. They develop different types of fitness and do different things to your physiology. The difference in "feel" from your body is much harder to read than a heart rate monitor or power meter. Just as eriksaunders says, if your training method consists of "get up the hill faster" you can push it all you want.... and then you can check out heart rate monitors, power meters, and training literature when you plateau.
  • 1 0
 you can do that....the more you train the more you are in tune with your body... so you are right, you need to listen and wear a watch... think of power meters as a secret wire tap and recording device for your effort... if you are into training, the data is super valuable.
  • 4 0
 But how does the strain gauge system differentiate between deflection on the crank arm due to rider input and deflection on the crank arm due changes in terrain (jumps, steeps, drops, particularly DH)?
  • 2 0
 there's an accelerometer inside
  • 2 0
 to expand on that, the accelerometer measures rpm's so you only get power data when you're pedaling
  • 2 0
 thanks i was about to post exactly that...
  • 4 0
 unless you are a beast and just pedal through that rock garden
  • 1 0
 Right, so then the readings taken during those times would be inaccurate?
  • 1 0
 the readings are always inaccurate to 2% or so like every other power meter... but pedalling in rough terrain shouldn't change it much or at all, maybe add 10 watts at the most? not a big deal
  • 15 8
 Ok this is too much
  • 4 18
flag finnrambo (Dec 3, 2013 at 0:29) (Below Threshold)
 yeah... I can't see them being useful on a downhill or all mountain bike, probably not on an xc bike either
  • 10 2
 @finnrambo It's for training purposes. If you can measure your power output, you can graph it over time and relate it to the different stages of a given course. On the off season you can design training regimens in combination with other data such as heart rate, to develop a training regimen that directly assess's the type of fitness you need. I.E. POWER OUTPUT.

One can train strength and overall cardiovascular health fairly easily, but as stated in the article power integrates how fast work is done.
Thus, data from a power meter, is useful in putting yourself in a position to be heavily "prepared" if you will, for the physical demands of the application with a great level of detail., (road biking, XC, enduro, etc.); because now you can assess and train specifically, power distribution, overall strength, and cardio specific to the needs of the application.

With a power meter, you could look at what the maximum power output's you had during a given race were, how long they lasted, etc. Now comes training season. Try to develop a training regimen that mimics those same patterns, but you can now make measurable goals, such as wanting to increase your max power output by x amount of watts, as well as the duration that you are able to exert such a force, relative to the patterns and duration's of the data you collected real time on the track.

I wrote this rather quickly, but I think now you can start to see how it could be useful for professional athletes, and or those who have the cash, and want to evaluate their training very seriously and from as many angles as possible.
  • 16 1
 Did you not just read the article? It explains pretty well why they use it on a DH or Enduro bike.
  • 4 5
 let's put it this way, if you have to buy it for downhill/am then you're not fast enough to need it, road/xc/cx are a bit different seeing as they put more of an emphasis on power output while downhill/enduro are more skill sports, sure a power meter is helpful... if you're a good rider like jared graves
  • 1 0
 You contradicted yourself there. Jared Graves bought one and loved it, but you're saying he isn't "fast enough to need it"? It's a very valuable training tool for racers and endurance athletes, and it gives you a level of certainty about your effort levels that HRMs and riding by feel can't give you.
  • 3 2
 I doubt jared graves bought one...
  • 3 0
 @finnrambo your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. the article clearly says Graves works with the company and uses one extensively
  • 2 1
 why would jared graves buy his own power meter? he obviously uses one seeing as it's on the crank arm and obviously works with the company seeing as he rides for them but last time I checked stages sponsors him so no I am correct in saying he didn't buy one, you my friend misunderstood my comment if you think that working with a company means you bought something from them, if stages told graves to buy one then he'd drop them and go to SRM or powertap and get a free power meter instead
  • 2 0
 Why is it relevant if he bought it or not? You're the one who said "I can't see them being useful on a downhill or all mountain bike, probably not on an xc bike either", which is clearly horseshit.
  • 3 1
 "and with the growth of enduro racing" Yeah, yeah...

That aside, I know alot of riders, most of them xc who 'desperately' want a power meter, a very effective way of training/keeping track of your training (Joe Friel's Mountainbiker Training Bible , very good book if you want to read about the physical training side of mountainbiking, states power zones next to the heart rate zones for excercises, so thats a good start and takes a look at training with a power meter). But, indeed, the article is right on track there: expensive, not very suitable for a mountainbike, etc.
This looks promising so do the Garmin pedals( they're for a road bike, but you never know...) and read some rumors about a Japanse producer of consumer goods taking upon it, which could bring down the price significantly.
I for sure want one.
  • 6 1
 I see the use when engineering a bike. Not so much on the trail.
  • 4 3
 Year on year data for human powered events are all well and good if the athletes by " magic " don't lose fitness as they get older, Everybody slows down eventually as they get older it's the technical advantages that help you look like you're keep the pace.
  • 4 1
 Also, what the hell is an ANT+ ???
Is it like a normal ant, but way bigger, that carries all of the data to your computer?!?!
  • 1 0
 It's like USB. It's a data transfer method. Garmin uses them on their GPS's.
  • 3 2
 It is good to see more devices like this hitting the market, but there is no reason why they should be so expensive.
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$899.99 for a simple device mounted to an XTR crank arm.... you having a giggle....
Probably $15 electronics at large enough volume, so you must be manually calibrating each one manually using David Beckham to do the work!
Then there is a crank arm.
  • 5 0
 Without referencing the tech side of the article and just how damn complex this product is, think about 3 years worth of man hours. Say of a 40 hour week, 4 engineers worked 15 hours a piece on these devices, each being paid $35 - $40 / hr (average mid salary engineer). That equates to the business spending about $300000 - $400000 in total on the engineers (total; 3 years) alone. Now the company has to earn back that money AND make profit selling this complex product to a fairly niche market. I can certainly understand the cost.
  • 9 0
 Price is not cost cost has only distant correlation to price when it comes to niche market. The right pricing is always what buyers are willing to pay for it rather than what non buyers think it should be.
  • 2 0
 The extensive R&D work is what you are paying for. Also, the unit must be carefully bonded and calibrated to the crank arm which I imagine requires some expense in time and labor beyond the cost of the unit itself. Before Stages, most power meters were in the $1500+ range. When Stages released their unit, Cyclops (Powertap) dropped all their prices by $500 immediately in order to stay in business. Not cheap yet, but way more affordable than it used to be.
  • 4 2
 The technology in there is not rocket science, new, complicated or innovative.
Trust me, I know how much electronics cost to develop, patent, market, support etc. It is what I do and have done for over 15 years.
Mac -Aravan has the right idea.... it is about what they think the market will pay.
Look at the likes of freelap, a pole would cost around $1 to mass produce, yet they cost around 100 times that to buy.
Mobile mass market devices make minimal profit per item sold.
  • 3 0
 I am an industrial electrician/tech and I can see there is nothing in these worth more than a few cents. There is no new tech in it. The strain gauges are off the shelf items. I can see the benefits for someone serious, but that price is not serious! Niche markets stay that way because of the ridiculous prices charged, if more people could afford it, it would no longer be a niche market! but hey I feel special because I am part of a niche market and that feeling is worth thousands
  • 2 0
 its too expensive for everyday riders still. but its quite a bit cheaper than some of the other options. i guess you could say its good value for someone who's in the market for one of these
  • 1 0
 Power meters and heart rate monitors are useful tools for training if you know how to utilize the data. There are other techniques though that don't cost anything and can yield huge benefits. Perceived exertion essentially does the same thing and there are lots of training protocols out there based on this. The current trend in endurance training is increased recovery time between workouts and shorter high intensity efforts with some training routines being as short as 10 minutes. Probably the most important factor is periodization where you change your routine every 3-5 weeks to maintain the training stimulus. Doing the exact same workout every week will result in a rapid plateau. Core strengthening and proper technique can improve endurance and performance even further but is often overlooked. As a rehab and sports medicine physician this is the approach I have taken. Too many athletes focus on the data and not on the big picture. Cross training is another great technique as you can do another sport on your off bike days that won't cut into your riding time.
  • 1 0
 seriously, who cares. power meters are roadie tech that have no business in enduro racing. the point of enduro is that the trails are unpredictable and new every time. it's riding on the edge of your seat, not riding the same boring road over and over. so what if you know how much power you put down on a particular climb. we all know that SKILL trumps POWER on a tech climb any day.
  • 4 0
 Save your cash for the brews.. power to the people !
  • 4 3
 The pro's will of been using these on there road bikes for a while now, but its going to be super useful for the enduro guys.
  • 3 2
 Just go gym and train in cardio, sprint train on your bike, high intensity interval workouts and leg squats etc,no need for this vrap
  • 3 0
 Can this double as beer meter? Cause we're constantly out of beer!
  • 3 0
 I have in fact used my powermeter for this purpose. Only the powermeter tells me exactly and correctly how many calories I've consumed. So, if I ride for two hours and burn 1800 cals, this equates to almost 6 beers (if I wanted to)!
  • 3 0
 I'm completely bored by this
  • 2 0
 Oh my god, it didn't turned out as an ad for specialized
  • 7 5
 Do power meters come with free lycra?
  • 4 1
 Pin it ya fairy
  • 1 0
 Isnt the pain in your muscles a power meter? How about a power meter for cars now that would be fun.
  • 1 0
 Can someone just give me the reason why we really need to buy such a thing and how it would improve the way you ride?
  • 1 0
 You don't need to buy anything, but this is a training tool that lets you gather data that can be very useful for gauging your fitness. As far as improving your riding, it's not going to make you wheelie longer or jump higher, but it might help you not blow up on a long climb during a race.
  • 1 0
 Any chance, Stages, of incorporating carbon arms for those of us who run, say, XX1?
  • 1 0
 According to Stages, "The carbon question is a relatively simple answer - we cannot strain gage a third party carbon crank due to the carbon composite’s material properties under bending, in which the deflection is non-linear. Alloy cranks on the other hand produce a linear deflection, thus can be precisely measured using a strain gage. The smart guys out there may point out that the aerospace industry does use strain gages on carbon, but the key difference is that the gages are placed to the carbon when molded, and at that base material level. We’d have to make our own crank to be able to do this, which isn’t an option for us. We do have a solution in the case of SRAM and FSA carbon cranks, a rider can simply replace the carbon non-drive arm with a Stages Power metered alloy arm."
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the info!
  • 1 0
 Why would I care how much "power" I put to the cranks? I pedal harder I go faster.....
  • 7 5
 BORING.
  • 1 2
 Would love to get the Garmin Vector system into MTB pedals. It seems to be the most accurate way to measure left/right output.
  • 2 0
 And what exactly will you do when you find that your right leg is 3% stronger than your left? Seriously, I train with power and have many friends who do and have no idea what to do with this information (neither do the experts it seems). It does make for a nice marketing gimmic. On a mtb, my pedals by far take the biggest impacts on a daily basis slamming into rocks. I wouldn't count on Garmin releasing a mtb pedal unit anytime soon....
  • 2 0
 ^^^ My cranks arms and pedals get more abuse than a red headed step child.
  • 2 0
 Garmin Vector pedals don't work very well below 60 rpm. That combined with the abuse, they wouldn't stand a chance on a MTB.
  • 1 0
 I had ACL replacement at the beginning of the season and my right leg is definitely weaker than my left due to surgery. So having differentiated power measurement would help , so I can see the progress in rehab-ing.
  • 3 2
 i couldn't give less of a shit if i tried
  • 1 1
 I read power meter and skipped to comments. What waste of money are they promoting now?
  • 1 0
 One of the best written articles on pinkbike. Clear accurate and concise.
  • 2 1
 Who cares!







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