Devinci Troy Carbon RR - Review

May 20, 2016 at 18:26
by Mike Levy  




While the fabled city of the same name was destroyed and rebuilt many times, Devinci is hoping that a single re-design of their Troy will be all that's required for it reach its own legendary status. The second generation Troy still sports 140mm of travel out back, which is short by all-mountain standards, but it's longer, has a more robust frame, and comes equipped with more of a party-themed build kit than its predecessor ever did. That includes a 150mm-travel Pike RCT3 fork, an 800mm wide handlebar and short stem from Chromag, and a set of 2.35'' wide Hans Dampf tires rather than the old bike's wimpier 2.25'' Racing Ralph rubber.
Troy Details

• Intended use: all-mountain
• Rear wheel travel: 140mm
• Pike RCT3 w/ 150mm of travel
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• New carbon fiber frame
• Adjustable geometry
• Internal cable routing
• ISCG 05 chain guide tabs
• 1X only (alloy frame can do 2x)
• Weight: 28.04lbs
• MSRP: $6,599 USD


Old Troy vs New Troy

The name is the same but the latest Troy is an entirely new animal from front to back.

Devinci says that the old bike was often being ridden by downhillers looking for a trailbike, or just by aggressive riders who wanted a rig they could pedal around all day. Not surprisingly, these riders were outfitting their bikes with shorter stems and wider handlebars, which made it clear to Devinci that the new Troy would have to be designed with these people in mind.

And that's exactly what they did. So while the old medium-sized Troy had a 415mm long reach in the 'LO' setting, the new Troy sports a 440mm reach and comes from Devinci with a shorter stem and wider handlebar.

The rear-end does get slightly shorter as well, at 426mm. That's 4mm shorter compared to the old Troy, and it's possible due to the carbon bike's dedicated single chainring design and Boost hub spacing that provides more clearance.
Devinci Troy geometry

One figure that does stay the same is the Troy's 67° head angle as that number suits the 140mm-travel bike's intentions as a burly trail machine. Want something slacker? The 165mm-travel Spartan is probably what you should be considering instead.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
  The new Troy is much burlier looking than its predecessor.


The new Troy is not only a longer bike, but Devinci is also saying that it's much more rigid than its predecessor thanks to massive carbon tubes that make it clear that it is closely related to the longer-travel Spartan. The rear-end is also all new, with burlier carbon seatstays, new aluminum chainstays, and a stiffer rocker arm that are all said to contribute to a big jump in lateral rigidity.

All that adds up to a slightly heavier frame, with the new version coming in at a claimed 6.13 pounds compared to 6.07 pounds for the old bike, a bump that Devinci clearly feel is well worth it.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
Internal cable routing front to back.
Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
The Troy's head angle and bottom bracket height can be tuned by rotating the hardware that joins the rocker arm and seatstays.


Devinci has included all of the expected trappings on the new Troy, from ISCG 05 chain guide tabs to internal cable routing that features large entry and exit ports. The rear-end is made to fit Boost hubs (but not the Pike fork), and an unthreaded bottom bracket shell is home to SRAM bearings and a set of X01 carbon fiber crank arms. There's also a bolt-on shield to keep rocks from leaving permanent damage on the underside of the Troy's downtube.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
  The 140mm-travel Troy features an updated version of the Split Pivot suspension layout. The heel rub marks near the dropouts are from my wonky ankles, not an overly wide rear-end, and the bike does come with frame protection that wasn't attached during my time on it.


The Troy's Suspension Explained

Much like its predecessor, the new Troy employs Dave Weagle's Split Pivot suspension that allows the dropout pivot to rotate concentrically around the axle, a design that's said to allow more freedom for braking neutrality to be tuned separately from drivetrain-induced suspension forces. Comparing the original Troy to the new bike reveals slightly altered pivot locations between the two, especially when looking at the new rocker arm that is claimed to add a good amount of rigidity to the chassis. Sure, there might only be a few millimeters difference here and there in pivot locations between the new and old bikes, but the result is more progressive suspension that should make for increased bottom-out resistance compared to the original design.

This could also allow riders to run a setup that provides a slightly more forgiving top-end to the travel, but without blowing through the rest of the shock's stroke when things get a bit wild.

The rocker arm is also home to a built-in geometry adjustment system that, as on a handful of other bikes on the market, utilizes flip-able chips for hardware where the seatstays attach to the rocker arm. These provide what Devinci is calling 'HI' and 'LO' geometry settings, with the latter giving the bike a 67° head angle and a bottom bracket height of 338mm. Going to the HI setting steepens the front-end by 0.4° and raises the bottom bracket up by 5mm.

Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore




Specifications
Specifications
Release Date 2016
Price $6599
Travel 140
Rear Shock ROCK SHOX MONARCH RT3 DEBONAIR
Fork ROCKSHOX PIKE RCT3 27.5 DUAL AIR 150MM
Headset FSA ORBIT 1.5 ZERO STACK
Cassette SRAM 11S 10-42t
Crankarms SRAM X01 w/ 30t
Bottom Bracket SRAM BB92
Rear Derailleur SRAM X01
Chain SHIMANO 11S
Shifter Pods SRAM X01
Handlebar CHROMAG BZA 35 800MM
Stem CHROMAG BZA CLAMP 35
Grips DEVINCI PERFORMANCE W/LOCK-ON
Brakes SRAM GUIDE RSC
Wheelset DT SWISS M1700 SPLINE 27.5
Tires SCHWALBE HANS DAMPF 27.5X2.35" TRAILSTAR SNAKESKIN TL
Seat PROLOGO NAGO EVO X15
Seatpost ROCK SHOX REVERB STEALTH 125MM

Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore








Climbing

The Troy has two personalities when it comes to ascending, one of which is a surprisingly adept technical climber that means your only excuse for not cleaning something is a lack of skill. Forks with adjustable travel are a silly compromise and, thankfully, I never felt the need to dial down the Troy's Pike, even when faced with a messy technical climb. While other bikes might call for some serious body English, or maybe even the odd wheel-pivot to weave through a section of BC's best, the Troy wiggles its way through like a little black and white French-speaking ferret escaping its cage by slipping out the smallest of cracks. For a bike that impresses on some seriously rowdy downhills, it is also surprisingly proficient and comfortable when faced with a proper singletrack climb.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
  Somewhat surprisingly, the Troy is an extremely capable technical climber.


But while the Troy can hold its own on the tech, it's not exactly a stallion when you're pedaling up smoother trails or gravel roads. These are times when the Devinci does feel every bit the all-mountain bike that it actually is, which is in contrast to its great technical abilities. It's a bike with very active and supple rear suspension, and while the fork can be firmed up as required, the 'Pedal' setting on the Monarch RT3 DebonAir shock isn't strong enough to make the bike feel as sporty as some other bikes when the rider reaches down to flip the enduro-crutch switch.

Do you spend every day in your kneepads, ride with guys who own longer travel bikes, and pack a Red Bull and Snickers bar in your backpack? Well, then you might not care how efficient the Troy feels. But those who are coming off of shorter travel bikes might not find the Devinci to be especially sprightly.



Descending

Bikes with 140mm of travel are kinda out there on their own in a lonely place. They're a bit big to be considered a pure trail bike, and I'd argue that they're probably a little short-legged to be a full-fledged all-mountain machine, so I wouldn't blame a rider for scratching their head over just what the hell the Troy is all about. That's a problem with us mountain bikers; we always want to try and lump things into categories, and particularly by using how much travel a bike has. And the Troy? It's probably the longest travel 140mm-travel bike out there. How's that for lumping and categorizing?


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
  You don't need rowdy terrain to have fun on the Troy; it's a fun bike on all sorts of trails.


Devinci says that the old and new Troy have essentially the same bottom bracket height and share the same head angle, albeit with a 10mm longer travel fork on the new bike. Nevertheless, the Carbon RR makes its forerunner feel as if it's three feet off the ground and 5° too steep, such is the difference in handling between the two. With quite a supple first inch or so of travel and an extended wheelbase that can only help make the rider feel more confident, the Troy is one of the better cornering machines that I've been on, something that's no doubt aided by its reasonable weight. It seems to strike a nice balance between the mega-planted ride of a longer travel and heavier enduro race bike, and the fun and flicky attitude of a trail bike.

All of the above makes it a much more pleasant rig to be on than something slacker and even more forgiving when the corners are tight or require abrupt changes in course. It also feels infinitely more playful than a true enduro race bike, but its capabilities still make the Troy the Auto-Tune of mid-travel bikes. Just let it run out and the Troy will look after all sorts of things that would call for some handling skill on other bikes of similar travel.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
It may not have the rear wheel travel of a true enduro racer, but that doesn't stop the Troy from thinking that's its calling in life.


And what happens when the terrain changes from tight corners to sphincter-tightening? Okay, the Troy is not a Spartan (65.8° and 165mm), Slash, or Nomad, but it feels like way more of an enduro racer than you'd think given that it's shorter on travel and, supposedly, shorter on abilities. I had to search out some seriously rough and fast sections of trail in order to scare myself into thinking that I'd be better off on something with longer legs, and even then it was usually only for brief periods of time; one hundred feet here and there, and I'm sure I was faster overall on the Troy than I would be on a less responsive, longer travel steed. I know I had more fun, anyway, and I'd argue that many other riders would feel the same.
bigquotesIt also feels infinitely more playful than a true enduro race bike, but its capabilities still make the Troy the Auto-Tune of mid-travel bikes. Just let it run out and the Troy will look after all sorts of things that would call for some handling skill on other bikes of similar travel.

The Pike RCT3 helps - we all know how good it is - but the back of the Troy is equally impressive. Awesomely sensitive but with a seemingly perfect amount of ramp-up, I can't find a fault with how it performed for me, at least when it comes to descending. That said, some riders who frequent less demanding terrain could find that it tends to spend a bit too much time deep in its travel when running 30% sag, but the beauty of today's easily tuneable air-sprung shocks makes this a simple thing to sort out.




Technical Report

• Wheels - They might fly under the radar a bit, but the M1700 Spline wheels have proven to be sturdy enough for some serious riding. They're still perfectly straight, with zero attention being required. It would be nice if they were a bit wider, however, as their 22.5mm internal width forces riders to run a few PSI more than they would be able to get away with if DT Swiss had gone with a more spacious dimensions.


Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore
Devinci Troy Carbon RR Photo by James Lissimore


• Shock Talk - The Troy is more large displacement V12 than an EcoBoost when talking about efficiency, and while the Monarch RT3 DebonAir shock works well, I did find myself wishing for firmer Pedal and Lock compression settings. As it is, the Lock setting is closer to what I'd like to see for the Pedal mode, especially for a rider who will be out all day or is faced with long, boring climbs to the top of their local mountain.


• Wide and Short - Thank you, Devinci, for not wimping out when it came to the Troy's handlebar and stem spec. The shorty Chromag stem and 800mm wide handlebar perfectly match the bike's fun-loving attitude and impressive capabilities, and those who don't need or want the leverage can simply trim the handlebar down to a more acceptable width.



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThe Troy is an interesting bike, one that could easily do double-duty as an enduro race machine for most riders, despite Devinci selling the bigger Spartan for those services. As I said above, it could be the longest travel 140mm-travel bike out there, which makes the Troy a good choice for the rider who doesn't mind a long pedal as long as they end up on some worthy terrain. - Mike Levy




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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 34 • Height: 5'10” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 165lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Mike Levy spent most of the 90s and early 2000s racing downhill bikes and building ill-considered jumps in the woods of British Columbia before realizing that bikes could also be pedaled for hours on end to get to some pretty cool places. These days he spends most of his time doing exactly that, preferring to ride test bikes way out in the local hills rather than any bike park. Over ten years as a professional mechanic before making the move to Pinkbike means that his enthusiasm for two wheels extends beyond simply riding on them, and his appreciation for all things technical is an attribute that meshes nicely with his role of Technical Editor at Pinkbike.



168 Comments

  • + 116
 Perhaps I'm one of the few here, but I want to see PB review more affordable options rather than these bikes with Gucci-grade components. I still enjoy reading the (well-written) review... I just have no hope of affording the bike- That reminds me, I need to buy some more lottery tickets. There, now there's at least a chance.
  • + 14
 I totally agree with you, most of us have cheapeast bike and most of us have aluminium bike and not cracks bike. So would be a great idea if pinkbike could do some reveiws about cheaper bike and maybe some comparaison with other bike because don't know if it's me or not but the conclusion on pinkbike is always good. So .... could be a problem if you look for a new bike.
  • + 25
 Agree! Even if there was just an extra section in these reviews that talks through the model range a little and whether the lower models are comparable to the top spec option. I like it when reviews state which model from the lineup is best/worst value for money for the performance you get too.
  • + 26
 You should keep in mind that on a cheaper build some components could have a negative effect of the way the bike rides, top of the line bikes perform at their best with the best selection of parts, it makes sense to review this because the rider is less distracted by the components and can focus more on the ride the chassis of the bike provides
  • + 6
 @MisterJones: Agree, the conclusions are always good on PB, as if all the bikes in the world are spot on and perfect...
  • + 25
 I've been forced into thinking a lot about components lately. My DH bike died and I didn't want to replace it, so I used my trail/enduro bike to do everything, including nasty DH. The truth is that your average trail graded component will NOT withstand DH abuse. Flimsy wheels and 600-700g tires will get torn apart within a few laps and entry level suspension/drivetrain will suffer immensely and are just not up to the task.

Trail is more on the lighter side of things, which means if you want a cheap bike, you're not going to get durability and if you want durability you'll either have to take a big weight penalty OR put top shelf components. Now a 32lbs 165mm bike might not seem like a big deal to you but if they build a 32lbs 140mm it is pure suicide nowadays and it will set the comment section ablaze.

So the moral of the story is if you want a cheap bike that handles everything, you will have to consider getting an entry level enduro that weights a ton because if you want a trail bike that will withstand abuse, you'll have to shell out the $$$ to make it last if you're going to bring it to its limit.

The way I see it, "true" do it all bikes are not a thing yet. You'll suffer on the XC trail with an enduro and you can't really push a trail bike on DH tracks. You can get closer but it is going to cost you a lot.
  • + 10
 That's exactly my point. these reviews tell us what the bike is capable with the best of the best components and i don't think they should go away. But I think it is worth mentioning as part of these reviews whether componentry of the lower models are going to let that chassis down compared with the top spec option.
  • + 2
 I do like these write ups, but I agree.
I spent $6200 on a brand new SB66 and that's a lot of hashish for a middle component/ alu frame bike.

Unfortunatley, a huge majority of us don't get to purchase a brand new bike worth more than $6000 very often.

I guess we all know that higher end components are great, and carbon frames are great, but most of us can't afford both.
What about brands we haven't heard as much about.... That would be neat.
Or cheap eBay knock off's!
  • + 28
 I'm looking at the entry carbon model for $3640 and still found this review very helpful. If memory serves, the $3640 bike has the same frame & shock, and also has a pike. With that much in common, most of this review will apply to the whole range of builds offered from devinci.
  • - 1
 one thing to keep in mind and its kind of decieving on Devinci, Sram'spart is that it is speced with a 7.875x2.250 shock but is limited to 2" stroke. thats why it looks like you can't bottom it out. i measured the shock to be sure. im 145 lbs running 30% sag(no tokens though) and im bottoming out all the time. even with a float x2 upgrade and 2 bands im still bottoming out LOL. but overall its been an awesome rig the last 4 months of ownership !
  • + 10
 Just get the Troy RS like i did, it's the BEST value on the market right now. Carbon bike with a good built for 4 000 CAD.
  • + 7
 You don't have to be in too deep to get on a Troy. $2,600 gets you the Troy S or $3,000 the Troy RS Alloy.
  • + 2
 @viatch: Curious if that coincides with a metric shock dimension...i.e. they ordered a modified existing shock OEM to future proof the design. If so, that's pretty clever.
  • + 3
 I´m with @Mathhhh on this. With cheaper RS build, this is one of best value carbon-framed bikes. Only german direct sale-bikes can beat it with specs. You even get good tyres and wide bar-short stem combo. Only two things i checked the cheaper build to change are "Resin pad only"-brake rotors and adding dropper post, wich you can probably talk to reasonable price when buying the bike.
  • + 1
 i tried an aluminium base build this week end. It was stiff and responsive and i really liked it.
  • + 1
 @ReformedRoadie: could be. im sending my float x2 to have its spacer removed to bump the stroke up to 2.25, that will bump the travel from 140mm to 158mm ! i checked and it will work even at the "low" setting.
  • + 4
 @PLC07: I'm with you. Funny though that I still tear everything up on a 36lb 125mm trail bike. Sure I'd like something lighter but it doesn't slow me down much
  • + 6
 @Waldon83: I think the best way to end up with a high end rig is to start with a bare frame/shock, and build it up part by part. There's 3 advantages to this: 1st is you are able to get the component YOU want, with zero comprise; 2nd you can find used or N.O.S. stuff that will save you BIG dinero; and 3rd it is SO much easier to spend 7 or 8 grand when you do it 300-500 at a time.
  • + 1
 I was hoping to ride the Carbon but they only had a Medium. So I just Demoed the aluminum framed Troy and it was and absolute blast. It's a bit heavier but the thing ripped. Dropping the fork made a big difference in its climbing for me. A CC Double Barrel with the climb switch would be a nice upgrade though. Especially if you climb a lot of fire roads.
  • + 2
 @PLC07: Preach on brother...
  • + 2
 The low end version is just as good - only a little less premium.
  • - 8
flag thoe (Jun 13, 2016 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 Pink Bike needs to do a buying guide for bikes on how to save money like never buy a new bike let the fools buy them wait a year and pick it up on Pink Bike for 1/2 the cost
  • + 21
 I don't get this whining on testing the expensive options. An obvious note here: Pinkbike tests what they are sent to be tested. Then since all the bikes through the range share the same geo, then... Shouldn't we know-all Pinkbike commenters be wise enough to realize that alloy Troy on SLX and Pike RC will be pretty much just as good as top of the line one? Hello Wink
  • + 7
 @thoe: You need to take a course in economics. Maybe grammar too.
  • + 1
 @viatch: On the Devinci website it says it's a 7.875x2.00. Are you sure that's what you measured?? I saw that people in the old Devinci thread were saying it's a hit or miss whether the 2.25" shock fit or not and haven't heard anything about the new bikes.
  • + 1
 @adclarke: good idea. This article makes it sound as if the chain stay length might be different on the aluminum frame.
  • + 3
 The used market is pretty robust, if you don't mind being a year or two out of date... And if costs are the primary focus, there's a hell of a lot of value to be had in the emerging launches of the direct sales brands...
  • + 2
 @powderturns: ^ this is wisdom
  • - 16
flag thoe (Jun 13, 2016 at 10:00) (Below Threshold)
 @ReformedRoadie: Your mom taught me everything I need to know
  • + 0
 @thoe: this! After a year used top end bikes are all in the $4k region...
  • + 6
 @thoe: wow...that was pretty witty.

So you want Pinkbike, which already has a huge classified section, to push consumers to buy used / second hand bikes, and let 'suckers' buy the new stuff to supply that market.

You do know Pinkbike makes it's revenue from the advertising of companies selling NEW stuff, right?
And if there was a huge swing where the vast majority of riders only bought second hand (i.e. not the suckers), then the used market would lack supply and the used costs would go up.

Fortunately, you're not old enough to vote...pretty sure we know who you'd be voting for...
  • + 3
 @Powderturns - it's a double edge sword, yes you can get amazing deals on classifieds but that also means you get sht for whatever you are selling. So no, you are not really saving money. The only difference between second hand market from 2010 and now is that 90% of the stuff you buy is really good. Back then, half of it was worthless.
  • + 9
 " Perhaps I'm one of the few here, but I want to see PB review more affordable options rather than these bikes with Gucci-grade components."

One of the few? Umm, have you ever read the comments in just about every review ever published on Pinkbike?
  • + 6
 A truly good review would include both the high end and low end versions of the same bike, if bike companies can send the high end bike for review they can also send the low end one. Theyd just need to ride the lower end version a bit to get a feel for the differences, no reason to do a full review for both.
  • + 3
 @aharris: these are some standards or levels of standards that I find hard to believe, that 99% of commenters here can live up to themselves in their daily activities. Everytime I read a comment about price of the bike or shoot out, I can't help myself imagining a fat guy in sweat shirt eating beans and drinking beer shouting at TV "pass the God damn ball!!!".
  • + 2
 @Handsomehwang: yup ! i measure it with a vernier caliper, removed all the air and bottomed it out. it even says 200x51 on the shock stanction itself.
  • + 5
 Thing is, the low end spec of the Troy is gonna feel very similar to the high end spec
  • + 0
 @viatch What are you talking about? It's a 7.875x2.0 shock.The overall length is the same, but the stroke is 2" because, well, they needed a 2" stroke shock to meet the requirements of the frame. If you put a 2.25" stroke shock in there it would end up with the rear brace hitting the frame at a high rate of speed, most likely doing serious damage to the frame.

If you're bottoming out all the time then maybe install a volume spacer, or run your sag closer to 25%. This is not a DH race machine, it's a long-travel trail bike. I run my Wilson at 35% sag and my Troy at 25% sag. The Troy almost never bottoms out unless I'm on some seriously gnarly terrain.

Maybe you just need to learn how to ride smoother.
  • - 2
 @cueTIP: @cueTIP: dude i OWN a 2016 carbon troy RS, I checked everything, measured the shock and with the stock monarch rt3 after the 2 inch stroke bottom out, the TOTAL free length of the shaft is 2.534". there is still 1/2 and inch left after bottom out ! and yes im aware of the seatstay bridge. i will gladly send you a picture if you still have doubts.

im not new to this game bro, i know my stuff. im a journeyman millwright by trade. i deal with ten-thousandths and microns clearance and tolerance at work.

yes maybe i need more tokens/bands whatever. im still dialing the suspension and ill try putting 1 more band on the float X2.
  • + 2
 @Mathhhh: Very true, at least in Canada if you're looking for a carbon framed bike.
  • + 0
 @cueTIP:and whats wrong with beating the crap out of it ?? i paid for it and its got lifetime warranty. thats how i ride so what? im having fun and smiling from top to bottom. i actually try to use it as much as i can before i reach for my DH bike.
  • + 3
 Nothing like working your self up and saving and saving to get into what you deem is the best bike ever. Let's call it a decent F/S trail bike in that $2500-$3000 range and you are so happy that you've worked hard and are rewarded with a sick bike to ride.

Then you open a bike rag, and they review something very similar to what you just bought with this written at the end of a test: "This is a excellent bike for beginners and people wanting to get into the sport.."

I like how bike testers are trying there hardest to keep there audience at the CEO level of bike spending, instead of catering to there hard core group of readers that can't drop 8 grand on a bike because the shock went to metric and what they are riding has instantly become junk.

What about testes like, this high end bike can be had for only this much if you get it like this, and works well compared to this..

Or something...
  • + 0
 @thoe: buy from industry insiders that can build top of line bikes for @$4500 then flip em to stay on fresh stuff year after year. Seller usually breaks even, buyer scores.
  • + 0
 Want a cheap bike review check out your local walmart flyer lol
  • + 1
 @Bob12051968: It's a Monarch Debonair RL on the lower end Troys, with a Monarch Debonair RT3 on the wallet-killers.

I've had my alloy Troy RS for a month now and I am absolutely loving it.
  • + 3
 @Allmost: you said "testes"!!!
  • + 1
 @Allmost: agreed ... can't say it nicer
  • + 5
 Here's a crazy idea... how about comparing the $$$$$ version with the $$ version of the same bike. Yes, we all know the money bike will ride better, but how much do we miss when we can't spend a small fortune. Woulld the the Troy be unridable with a Sector instead of a Pike, or is the different in price not worth the improvement?

I know Pinkbike will never do such a thing, but I bet most readers would appreciate such a comparison.
  • + 3
 @viatch: What the hell are you talking about? It was never "specced with a 2.25" shock". It was specced with a 2 inch stroke shock. The fact that Fox and RS use a shock chassis that can technically be converted to 2.25" does not mean the bike was specced for that. It is just a way to reduce manufacturing overlap.

I own the bike too, there is no f*cking way I can run a 2.25" shock without damaging the seat stay bridge or the frame. I'll lend you a Monarch RT3 off my Spartan carbon that is 7.875x2.25 and you can give it a test. Free shock length has nothing to do with stroke. There is also a rubber bump stop inside the shock body to prevent hard bottoming out.

Thrash your bike how you want, the warranty only covers manufacturing defect not being stupid.
  • + 0
 Save the money from lottery ticket purchases, and you could buy one of these. Then it would feel like winning the lottery.
  • + 1
 @viatch: According to Devinci there should be 3 spacers in the rear, but there are several posts I've seen where owners are finding their shocks were shipped with none. I'm running 35% sag and never getting a harsh bottom, even on sizeable drops to flat.
  • + 1
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: rofl. I love immature humour.
  • + 1
 @WannabeMTBer: stick with me then!
  • + 2
 @powderturns: totally agree, managed to pick up a 2015 carbon altitude for $3300
  • + 1
 @thoe: Yeah it's called bike flipping and people do that all the time and they don't need to waste their time flipping it on PB when they'll have a horde of friends just waiting for it.
  • + 1
 @viatch:

You're 145 lbs and bottoming out an X2?? If the WC DH and EWS guys are running the same shock, you're doing it wrong.
  • + 1
 @viatch:

You'll only get that warranty honoured with the original equipment. If you're changing the shock length you're customizing your bike. Why would Devinci honour that? That's like chipping your car: boom! Warranty voided.
  • + 1
 @viatch: how do you like the X2 on it versus the stock Monarch Debonair?
  • + 37
 Can we please stop calling the 148x12 rear axle "Boost" and just go by its dimensions like every other axle standard? Boost just sounds so goofy.
  • + 31
 That's because the new standards are all Mickey mouse... I'll see myself out...
  • + 3
 @Kiwiplague: you clever bastard
  • + 25
 I think 140 bikes such as these are the future. Lets consider that most people want to just go for a ride. They dont want to ride xc or dh. Therefore they automatically become 'enduro' as most would consider a 120mm bike too little often with a shorter fork also. So loads of folks, myself included, are riding round on 160 rigs that in reality are just too much for everyday riding. I want to smash through stuff and do metre drops, jumps etc but I dont need the riding compromise that a 160 bike has in terms of uphill etc. That said, I still want a 150-160 pike on the front. I looked at this review and thought that an alu version with an angleset to drop half a degree would be a very fun bike indeed.
  • + 5
 I had the same idea in mind. I went with their dixon a few years ago. 145mm rear and switched the 150 fork for a 160. It is too big for the locals trails but I can still ride them. Knowing you'll be able to ride everything no matter where you go does make up for being overbiked at home though. I don't think any bike setup will ever be perfect if you ride a wide range of trails.
  • + 2
 I've got a canyon spectral (140 mm of travel) and i'm planning to "upgrade" my pike from 150 to 160 mm. Now the head angle is 66.4 degrees, with the longer fork it should be 65.8. It shouldn't be much different to a 160 mm bike, but it would be lighter and better in uphills
  • + 2
 @PLC07:

I loved my Dixon SP, ran it with Fox 36 Float reduced to 150mm

Actually so damn capable it started making riding trails in the S-East of UK boring, so I sold it and got a hardtail 29'er!

fantastic bike though for the right terrain, and this new Troy looks awesome.
  • + 4
 Consider the Banshee Spitfire. 140mm rear. 160mm front. Three geo settings with the neutral setting @ 66.5° (Low: 66°, High: 67°)
  • + 1
 @madbob9: it'll only drop it .5 degrees for a roughly 10mm increase in front travel (all else being equal).
  • + 1
 @PLC07: you haven't ridden a giant reign than bud lol
  • + 2
 @ghettoflash: I've got a spitfire and love it to bits! Only originally got it so I could carry on running 26" before moving to 27.5" but it's more than that. Light enough and pedal efficient enough for all day trail, hard hitting enough for enduro and light dh
  • + 1
 @mattvanders: Right on, Spitty brotha'! I've only had my about a month, but my first ride I thought the bike felt slow...until I saw my times! It has opened a new chapter for me and I feel like I can really grow and even compete with this bike. Have adjustable geo and dropouts made this a safe purchase. I'm really in love with this bike
  • + 1
 I think the trance SX would be very comparable and probably cheaper too.
  • + 1
 I am comming from a 160mm Enduro (the old Canyon Strive) and I wanted something which handles better on the uphills. I followed exactly the rationale you mentioned. As my hometrails are a little bit tamer than my weekend rides I went for the troy, but i also built it with a 160mm fork (fox 36) an now I have the perfect bike for me. Uphill it is waaaay better than my old rig and also on flattish trails it is way easier to get to speed. On the downhills I am not missing that much. I am just comming back from a week in Finale Ligure Italy and the bike handled everything I threw at it from flow trails to the roughest freeride trails they have over there. So in a nutshell I love this bike!
  • + 15
 Is the Banshee Spitfire not an even 'longer travel' 140mm bike? Progressive linkage, stiff strong frame and 66-67 deg adjustable head angle with a 150mm fork (and most owners fit a 160mm fork which slackens it another half degree).
  • + 2
 I just sold my Spitty. Was 2015 v2 27.5 with 160mm front end. Was a little weapon for sure. Felt like it had more travel than 140. Interesting that it felt like it pedalled better in its lowest and slackest setting @ 340bb 66head. Had the cc db inline in the back and i didnt really use the climb switch that much, only on fire road climbs etc. Sounds like from the review here that the devinci doesn't pedal that well? My Spitty was a bit porky though at 14kg ( xt level build i25/hope wheels ). If Banshee ever go carbon they gonna surprise a few people!
  • + 2
 And you can run any axle size and wheels, bar 29er, you like. this is truly the future - a future proof bike.
  • + 2
 @slowrider73: you bet, the spitty surprises everyone who rides them, myself included as I grab it more often than the rune these days, banshee innovates under the radar which is fine by me, carbon would blow minds!
  • + 13
 "...surprisingly adept technical climber..."

are you guys ever not surprised by a bike's climbing abilities? I don't think I've seen a review of a bike in the last 3-4 years that didn't include some paraphrasing of the above.

Hey pinkbike, I could write software that will randomly generate bike reviews for you - I doubt anyone will be able to tell the difference, since every review you've published in the last few years has just been the same formulaic combination of a few key phrases. Might save you some money on content.
  • + 6
 Yeah I was thinking the same thing. All these reviews read the same to me.
  • + 4
 That would be amazing. Start a review website of bikes that you've never touched.
  • + 3
 It is true they might sound cliché but after reviewing so many bikes, they probably all feel... like a bike in the end.

I was doing music show reviews in the early 2000s and unless you're doing those to showcase your writing skills or it was one of the very few show who blew your mind, they all come down to the same. Yeah the band played, yeah people were into it, yeah it was fun. This was the tracklist and I'm disappointed they didn't play X song.
  • + 11
 How's this bike different to a bronson, stumpy or any other new-gen of aggressive trail bikes? To me they're all looking like the same thing, with short cs's, long reach, with around 67deg HA's
  • + 0
 difference = suspension design
Bronson: VPP
Stumpjumper: FSR
Troy: DW Link (Split Pivot)

Not sure I would compare this to the Bronson though but I guess you could.
  • + 8
 @road-n-dirt: Okay, but what differences would we actually notice in how these bikes ride? Is one more capable than the other? For the consumer, does the difference come purely down to value of money/brand recognition?

These are questions I want to know when it just seems like manufacturers keep churning out their version of the same bike.

Desperately need a pinkbike trailbike shootout
  • + 3
 @Ninjasstolemytv: Have you ridden each of these suspension designs? They all have different characteristics on how they ride. It all comes down to personal preference. I personally like DW Link bikes better as they require very little platform for the pedally stuff and seem to have more travel then what the numbers say on paper. The way I sum it up buying bikes today all comes down to frame design first components second
.
In regards to frame design, frame dimensions only tell one story on how the bike will handle and fit. But once you have ridden the different suspension designs you will develop a preference of what you like and not depend on such a review as no review is going to say how YOU like a bike.

Don't get me wrong, bike shoot outs a great, especially if you bought a bike in the shootout. All I'm saying is at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference.
  • + 4
 @road-n-dirt: FSR is a Horst Link. Two Horst Links can ride pretty differently (e.g. Norco vs. Specialized). So it is not all about the suspension design.
  • + 6
 @road-n-dirt: The Troy Is not a DW link
  • + 2
 The difference is just too little, the leverage ratio of the Troy is really most progressive than other trail bikes, even more, progresivest than much others enduro Bikes. You can see it in linkage design blog
  • + 2
 @PanchoPaloma: Yeah, after a few years on the dixon, I think I got the air pressure dialed by now and bottoming out is a very rare occurrence while you get to keep decent small bump sensitivity. Rear end travel never felt like a limiting factor. I'm nowhere near being a suspension expert but after trying other platforms I find split pivot feels really great.
  • + 1
 @PLC07: I also ride a Dixon alloy!! I use with 25% of sag to train, I felt the suspension is really firm, it is faster than i could go and I love it! the bike is unstoppable. And is to unusual that bottoming out. I put a bos deville 160 on front. So happy with the bike. I think about change the fox RP23 setting to hard compression, or think about the Bos Kirk jojo
  • + 1
 @freerabbit: Sorry DW designed
  • + 10
 "Forks with adjustable travel are a silly compromise" Ummm, forks with adjustable travel are great for those of us who need to ride up some pretty steep ascents to enjoy our downhills. Having ridden 150mm and 120-150mm travel forks I can tell you which one has me in the best shape for the DH.
  • + 8
 Yeah but most of the time adjustable travel (Talas, DPA) compromises the quality of damping. Tokens for DPA Pike are also quite hard to find. I'd rather go for the Pike RC simplicity since the Troy is already an good tech climber.
  • + 3
 @Whipperman: Tokens for the dpa pike I had were really quite easy to find.
  • + 1
 @mgolder: I have a 140mm Turner 5 Spot with a kashima TALAS 130-160, and the only fork(s) I have ever ridden that feels more damp is a coil fork. Sure, there may be minute differences, but I cannot physically discern the difference of a TALAS vs RC. What I can discern is how I feel much more comfortable, climb faster, and my back hurts less after I drop my TALAS down to 130 for climbing.... but I still get all the fun at 160 for the ride back down.
  • + 1
 Agree, I love my DPA Pike and its damping is brilliant. Only needed on the long steep ascents though. Can make a Am bike feel more XC, which is not a bad thing on the climbs. Mike should have tried it...
  • + 2
 Having riddin a solo air pike and dual position air back to back with the same sag, the solo air was way more smooth, plush, and it felt bottomless. I used all the travel on the solo air while I couldn't access the last 15mm of travel on the Dpa. This is also true with my own dual position pike.
  • + 4
 Totally agree. Travel adjustable fork is what makes my E29 work as an all day epic bike and an Enduro race bike. If you are so sensitive to damping quality that you can tell the difference in a Pike SA and DA, you might check your mattress for hidden peas. Even if your preference is for non-adjustable, Mike is way off base calling them a silly compromise.
  • + 5
 What we need is U-Turn to be back. Great performing, simple and reliable, service free system at 300g weight penalty.
  • + 0
 I think it's a trade off personally. I don't like the damper one bit in the DPA Pikes though I haven't ridden the newest version where you can put the tokens in them. I recently swapped my 170 Fox 36 Talas to a newer Float cartridge from Push Ind. and the difference is night and day. I would love to be able to drop the fork down for climbs still but the performance on the downs is so much better I'll take the hit. Plus here in Colorado lowering the bottom bracket that much means more rock strikes unless you're a technical climbing wizard.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: the reliability was shit both my old boxer rides and my recon 351s had u turn and the u turn is the reason I'm not running the forks they both bit the dust and wouldn't come up to full travel anymore
  • + 7
 If you could only choose one as your do all it bike, Would you pick the Troy or the Spartan?
  • + 2
 Hmmm, very good question.
  • + 13
 troy. spartan is too much bike to be a true "do it all". I do have a spartan and adore it for the reason that it is essentially a climbable dh bike.
  • + 1
 I would say that it may also depend on whether or not you ever want to take it to the bike park. That may be something to consider
  • + 1
 @andyshafer: 11/10 on the huck-to-flat-o-meter
  • + 1
 depending on the terrain you ride, probably taking a troy if you do only trails, but if you like to shred in the bike park take a spartan
  • + 2
 If you throw the new Django into the choice for a do it all bike id probably pick that. 120mm rear end with the geo its got would be such a fun and capable bike.
  • + 1
 I'm hoping to see a new Spartan carbon? Longer & lighter
  • + 1
 Troy alloy
  • + 1
 Troy. On my Troy, the early model (2015, I performed all the nic naks to make it feel like a DHers trail bike, whatever that means) I can ride anything here in Pisgah, North Carolina.

40 mile day--no problem
Farlow Gap-- terrifying, but I can't afford a DH bike as well
Stage Races-- won't be winning, but who cares. More me than the bike

My Troy allows me to perform all sorts of Tom Foolery in the thicket of woods.
  • + 3
 Ah I love my Spartan, perfect for the trails out here in CO. I can't comment to the Troy, but I definitely use the travel the Spartan allows. Smile
  • + 1
 If its one bike, Spartan for sure. If it's 2, a slack hardtail and Spartan. 3, a slack hardtail, a Spartan and a Wilson. If I won a lottery, a slack hardtail, a Spartan, a Wilson and a month long trip to Whistler.
  • + 1
 I chose Spartan(sorta... I have a slack 29" hardtail as well. But it hasn't been ridden since I got the Spartan.) So far, my only complaint on the spartan is that if you don't hit the switch before a techy climb, it'll wallow on sharp impacts & kill momentum. That said, I still think that's my setup(I'm one of those deep rear sag setting guys... around 35%.)

My last bike was a 150mm FSR, & other than the wallow, it pedaled far worse. fire road climbs are much more enjoyable on the Spartan.
  • + 4
 Put Float X2 or CCDBCoil CS on a Spartan, spend some quality time adjusting it and you'll easily outclimb Troy with this silly hand pump of a damper, even on rock&root infested singletrack.
  • + 3
 "That's a problem with us mountain bikers; we always want to try and lump things into categories, and particularly by using how much travel a bike has"

That's funny - I'm pretty sure that's a marketing/manufacturer problem. I've been wanting a 120-140mm rear travel all-mountain bike for years... excited to see the manufacturers have broken out of their categorization a little and started offering this.
  • + 3
 I have the RS English version with cheaper build
Same suspension , XG gears and shimano brakes
Brakes are similar to XT and actually pretty good although only a 160 rear disk
No chromag either just V2 own brand stuff?
Wheels are okay although rear hug is formula with terrible engagement

Write up is very good from my experience riding the bike
Descends as good as the Transition Suppressor with 160mm forks I previously had
The difference is its more fun, steering is precise and not wallowy on climbs

Review is true regarding the bob when on flat ground, I run mine on middle and lock out for flat and climbing
Will try different sag to see how that goes
Also did not come with downtube protection though which is worrying
  • + 5
 What's with all the snow? It's been in the low 90's in Arkansas... all the white stuff on the ground confuses my simple brain.
  • + 3
 I own the 2016 Troy XT (the orange one). I think it's a great build and it looks great. It came with boost rear as stated in the review and boost in the front. The bza stem was a 50mm on my large frame, which I swapped for a 35mm. The chain stays also came with rubber rub guards installed where the heal rub would occur. It is a very progressive suspension, which took some getting used to coming from a nomad. This bike wants to be ridden hard and fast, once you do ride it that way, it'll reward you for every little berm and roller you pump. It's super playful and begs the rider to launch of everything. I've never thought of it as sluggish on any climb, but definitely think it excels at tech climbing with amazing traction. I just run the shock in lockout on smooth climbs and pedal mode on tech. With XT pedals and marsh guard it came in at a bit over 29lbs. Overall great value with the XT build.
  • + 1
 Curious to know what pulled you towards the Troy? I just saw the XT model at the LBS and am tempted to get one. Also looking at a Norco Sight and Bronson models.
  • + 1
 @mhoa: Well, for one I had a great test ride on a demo bike. That got me really thinking about it and I loved the frame, particularly the beefiness. When the XT model was introduced, I thought it was a great part spec at a relatively good price. My local shop gave me a good deal and I went for it. Everybody has a Bronson and Norco is not very exciting, but hey thats just my opinion. I've never ridden either of them. There are so many good bikes out now. For me, it really comes down to the type of bike I want (this time I wanted to try a little less travel) and what kind of deal I can get. If your local shop sells those brands, then go for one of those, providing you have a good relationship there. Good luck!
  • + 3
 Depends what your focus is right? Do you want an XC bike you can take downhilling or a DH bike that you can take on an XC loop?
My focus was DH so i bought a bike that would be "more bike" than a local trail ride requires but could handle DH duties therefore if i were to choose between these 2 it would be the spartan. but for you it may be different.
  • + 1
 The only problem with dh use with climb slow mode is the stress to the frame is to hard. I think about enduring racing needs a Troy. But Troy may broken after the end of the season
  • + 2
 This is one of those bikes I can see myself owning in the pnw, stiff setup pumping every trail feature, lofting over tech and stuffing into a corner so hard you'd be hard pressed to tell its not a hero dirt stuffed ravioli. Looks like an awesome bike, would go perfect with also a dh bike in the shed.
  • + 1
 Three years now on the a Troy Carbon 2016 and I have to disagree with Pinkbike review regarding Enduro like abilities of the bike. When things get rough, the bike becomes difficult to control (shakes too hard) and will not float like a longer travel Enduro bike. The rear suspension is very progressive and paired with the Rockshock Monarch RT3 is not a good combination.

I was able to improve things significantly by swapping the shock with a CC Db Coil IL and the fork with a Fox 36 with 160 travel. The bike is now much more stable on rough terrain. The reason I went through all the trouble and did not simply sell the bike is because the bike is very playful, excellent climber and fun to ride in general.

For reference, I ride on the North Shore and Squamish mostly.
  • + 5
 Specialized would like Devinci to pay for using their rider's name.
  • + 1
 "Forks with adjustable travel are a silly compromise"

@mikelevy How are rockshox dual position forks a compromise? In my experience the pike dual position is way more supportive than a solo air even pre dpa bottomless tokens...In fact I just sold my dpa lyrik due to the fact that it feels too similar to the solo air pikes I've ridden...you can stuff it full of as many tokens as you want..it will still blow through the first 50% of the travel before ramping up too much for the last few inches...The dpa pike rides higher in the travel in my opinion and has a much more consistent feel to it..I'll admit that on a 140mm travel bike the dpa is probably an unnecessary spec but when you are doing 5kft of climbing on a bike with a 65* head angle it makes a huge difference, especially when the travel adjust versions feel better for fast riders to begin with...just don't understand the travel adjust hate on the newer forks
  • + 1
 "...Troy a good choice for the rider who doesn't mind a long pedal as long as they end up on some worthy terrain." This is exactly what I was thinking on my ride this last weekend. Shitty steep climbs with shallow lame XC descents. The troy wants to hammer downhill, despite me having the incredibly great 2015 model.
  • + 1
 I went from a 165mm bike to a 140mm bike and I couldn't be happier. Better climber and just as fast on the downhills. I didn't dive into the numbers but this Devinci Troy and my Spot Rollik are so similar in geometry, price, and parts. Both are great bikes!
  • + 1
 Are you sure that the bike should come with a downtube guard @mikelevy ? Mine didn't come with one and on different forums other people stated that they didn't get one either.
Also I can't imagine where I would possibly mount a "bolt-on shield" on my frame, it doesnt have any screw holes or anything.
  • + 1
 I purchased the alloy rs model, and it is sweet. I used the money I saved to throw on a dropper post and some nice (Nobl carbon) wheels. Although I'm sure that the top spec bike is great, there are some other solid offerings lower on the spec list. Hard to argue with a Canadian made aluminum frame with a lifetime warranty. I agree that it would be nice if PB at least mentioned the normal-person spec bikes and how they would stack up.

Bottom line, this is a sweet bike that totally rips on the downs, and is decent on the ups. Coming off a 2012 RM slayer, it feels more playful, climbs better, and is more of an all arounder....although they have a steep st angle in common.
  • + 1
 So the only fail if you can call it that is the shock for climbing so would there be a recommended change to improve that performance on the climb? Something with a stronger lockout?
  • + 1
 I'm on the Troy with the XT build. All good except the wheels, poor engagement on the hubs and poor durability on the rims. Strait pull spokes also make truing more difficult as the spokes will spine in the hub
  • + 0
 i demo'ed this bike in bellingham and i would say it was the opposite of dialed. It climbed great but ability to absorb trail chatter was horrible, i ended up with about 40 percent sag to a good ride in chatter and then bottomed pretty badly. I have been riding dirt bikes for four decades and mtn bikes for thirty years. i'd say yz 250 two stroke is the epitome of dialed by the way for a stock bike. Just bought a scout and it does it all better at least for me with less travel and money, sorry troy.
  • + 0
 Welcome to the era of outdated bikes before they hit market.
Old boost 148, no boost up front, no metric shock, not enough clearance for +tires.
And they claim they could gain 4 mm of chainstay lenght with boost 148, wow !

I don't comment on its ride abilities, it's certainly a great bike (had recently the occasion to ride the new Spartan from a firend, awsome !) but having a new bike every six month doesn't makes sens. Manufacturers should take more time between new versions to integrate the latest standard and let us enough time to save money for a new bike.
  • + 1
 Exactly which length stem do they spec on the bike, anyways? 35mm or 50mm? I can never tell because they list "35" but I assume that's the bar diameter. (I have this bike but got a frame-only.)
  • + 2
 35mm long Chromag35, for rr and 45mm V2(house brand) for the rest.
  • + 1
 Sounds like a great bike for most of north east trail riding. Not a lot of smooth fire road climbs here. It's rocky rooty tuty going up and rocky rooty tuty going down. Makes sense since the company was born in Quebec.
  • + 2
 Can you please tell us something more about the bolt-on shield? I've seen it on the Spartan but not on the Troy. Thanks
  • + 2
 I've built up two Troys (an Aluminum RS for a customer and a Carbon RS for myself) and there is no bolt-on shield or anywhere to mount one on the downtube - there's only an exit port for the dropper. You'd need some adhesive shielding.

FWIW, the bike is super fun and poppy, loves being pushed at high speeds and climbs better than expected. A good mix of being nimble on the trail but still stable. But it is a bit heavy and sluggish on the flats & fire road climbs.
  • + 1
 @csoars: yeah, that's what I knew... but in the article Mike talks of a "built-in shield", so I thought Devinci might have added it in mk2 frame or something like that... it's strange they didn't put a protection on the down tube of a bike that's meant to be ridden pretty hard!
  • + 2
 I have a 2016 Tory Carbon and there is no shield or place to attach one.
  • + 1
 @dromond: same here. I went looking for a receiver spot to attach a shield but it doesn't exist on my 2016 Troy carbon.
  • + 2
 When do we get to see the redesigned Atlas? I love my 2016 Troy but I am looking for a 29er trail bike that I can race XC.
  • + 1
 It's called the Hendrix. you just gotta buy a 29er wheelset for it, if you don't like plus wheels.
  • + 1
 I will add that I would have liked to see some sort of down tube protection, but it's easily solved with some aftermarket stuff.
  • + 1
 The Troy carbon built up with a Spartan kit is the way to go. Pike 160mm and a beefier build steps it up to the next level...
  • + 1
 I would love to see cheaper bikes. I am hoping that you might take a look at the Hendrix. I am really interested in your take on it. It is also a sub- $3k bike...
  • + 1
 Hey Mike (Levy),

In a review that uses the word 'burley' several times, do you feel the rear end of the new Troy could benefit from a Monarch Plus or Super Deluxe?
  • + 1
 Sorry if I missed what size bike was tested. I rode last years Troy in a medium and at 5'-6" it was a perfect size and felt great.
  • + 2
 Question: Why is this bike not called the Trojan? (Or should the bigger bike be called the Spartan?)
  • + 1
 Just demoed the Troy XT Carbon. Love the bike. Gonna pick up the Alloy RS version though.
  • - 3
 I'm darn-near becoming convinced that these 'reviews' are written by the bike manufacturer, and given to PB to simply post up on their site. I may suffer from CRS, but I can't remember the last time I read a 'review' on here that actually contained negative comments about the bike being reviewd.
  • + 1
 Cannot wait for them to release a 29er version of this bike.
  • + 0
 Are the Devinci Carbon bikes made in Canada?
  • + 3
 Carbon frames are made overseas (Taiwan I think) but the bikes are assembled back in canada. There was a pretty cool article on Devinci a little while ago here on pinkbike also if you want to see more.
  • + 0
 The bike is a freaking tank
  • + 0
 do some reviews about radon bikes!!
  • - 1
 Hmmm, Troy, the reverse rockspider?
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