Banshee Darkside Prototype - First Ride

Aug 20, 2013
by Mike Kazimer  
 
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FIRST RIDE
Banshee Darkside
Prototype

WORDS Mike Kazimer
PHOTOS Amy McDermid

A Look at Banshee's Darkside

Banshee had two prototypes of their Darkside, the company's new 180mm travel rig on display at this year's Crankworx Whistler. In development for the last year, the Darkside will be replacing the Scythe and the Wildcard as Banshee's freeride / park bike, and is expected to be available in the spring of 2014. When asked about the inspiration behind the new bike, Keith Scott, Banshee's engineer, frame designer and part owner of the company, simply said, “It's the bike I want to be riding.” Although final pricing isn't available yet, Scott stressed that he wanted to create a bike that was a little more affordable than other offerings currently on the market, but without skimping on any features.

Details
• 180mm travel
• 26" wheels
• 63.5 - 64.5 degree head angle
• 16.5" chainstay length
• Sizes: S, M, L
• Colors: black, raw, bright (final color TBD)
• MSRP: TBD
• Available Spring 2014
Geometry and Frame Design

The Darkside is constructed of hydroformed 7005 aluminum, and features a tapered head tube, threaded 83mm bottom bracket, and integrated bump stops on the frame for riders who choose to run a dual crown fork. The bump stops are easily replaceable – ODI's bar end plugs fit into the hole in the frame, giving riders a myriad of color choices. The prototype frame uses Banshee's interchangeable dropout system, but this probably won't make its way into production in order to keep the frame costs down.

  The Darkside prototype's features include a tapered head tube, integrated, replaceable fork bump stops and adjustable dropouts.

As far as the Darkside's geometry goes, the head angle of the prototype Darkside can currently be adjusted between 63.5 and 64.5 degrees using the adjustable dropouts, but the final head angle number has not been decided on. The bike's chainstay length is 16.5 inches, with a 13.5” bottom bracket height, numbers intended to create a quick handling bike that can still handle the steepest, roughest terrain. The final weight is also not certain, but Keith Scott's large prototype with a Marzocchi 888 and flat pedals weighs in at 37 pounds, so it would be reasonable to expect the final version to be somewhere in this neighborhood.

  The Darkside uses Banshee's KS-Link, which rotates on sealed cartridge bearings, with the majority of them sitting directly inside the frame.

Suspension Layout

The Darkside uses Banshee's KS-Link suspension design, which uses two short links to attach the rear swingarm to the front triangle, with the rear shock mounted directly to the rear swingarm. A shorter stroke shock should could be used to reduce the amount of travel while at the same lowering the bottom bracket and slackening the head angle. The Darkside's suspension is intended to have a neutral feel, with a very slightly rearward axle path and a progressive suspension curve to prevent harsh bottoming out. The bike's suspension curve works well with either a coil or air shock, and the bike we spent time on was equipped with Cane Creek's latest version of their DBAir. Banshee has been working closely with Cane Creek to come up with the best possible base tune for the bike, which will help simplify the initial suspension setup.

Riding the Darkside

Our sessions on the Darkside were spent in the Whistler Bike Park, alternating between long, rooty and rocky trails starting up in the Garbanzo zone and machine built, berm and jump filled classics like A-Line and Dirt Merchant. Banshee's bikes have a reputation of being solid, flex-free machines, and the Darkside was no exception. The solid rear swing arm and stout short links meant that the bike held its line no matter how rugged and chewed up the terrain was. We recently spent time on the Legend MKII, Banshee's downhill race bike, and it's evident that the Darkside shares similar DNA. Both bikes exhibit exceptional stability at speed, with the Darkside feeling a bit more maneuverable and playful than the Legend. The top tube length provided enough room to shift our weight where it was needed, while the short chainstays meant that direction changes were quick and snappy. Where the Darkside seemed most at home was decimating berms and blasting into orbit off of jumps, and the dry, dusty conditions in Whistler meant that we left a constant smoke screen behind us as we two wheel drifted around the countless corners in the bike park.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThe Darkside would have been called a freeride bike a few years ago, but that terminology seems to have fallen out of favor, replaced instead with 'mini-DH' or 'park bike.' Whatever you'd like to call it, the Darkside looks like it may be a good choice for the rider searching for a bike that could be ridden hard for multiple seasons of lift or shuttle assisted riding. Sure, it's not carbon, and you probably won't see it on any World Cup podiums, but we'd be willing to bet that countless riders will be pushing this bike as hard as possible for years to come. Keith Scott set out to create a bike that he wanted to ride, basically a bike with the stability of a downhill race bike but with better cornering ability, and our first impression is that he has succeeded. Our time on the Darkside wasn't long enough put our theories on its long-term durability to the test, but once we get our hands on a production version we'll be sure to give it a thorough thrashing. - Mike Kazimer


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196 Comments

  • + 170
 "Give yourself to the Dark Side"

I gladly will. This bike is badass.
  • - 420
 Im badass,so is my tr450 with marzocchi rc3 Evo ti and ccbd.if anyone wants to Know the Other Parts,i can Tell you,and if anyone ones to Ride,Tell me
  • + 104
 never touch a bike again
  • - 166
 Why?
  • + 105
 Crash master is your kit brand new? Would you say that you are fast? Way faster than.. Lmao
  • - 187
 Nah,my Kit is already Bit older,but i would say that im fast
  • + 38
 But you must really blow at being consistent if your names crash master...
  • - 139
 I created my Account right After i came home from Some rides and i had a gnarly crash,thats why my name is Crash master
  • + 99
 don't feed the trolls
  • + 71
 He's not a troll, he's just a bit silly
  • - 64
 Angryham is right
  • - 187
 Give him a break you fucking pricks you can see hes only having a bit of fun and being friendly, neg propping him is just pathetic. LOSERS!
  • - 108
 zerOc00I44 is a good mate
  • + 10
 I'm buying one ! I have a prime and this is the bike I was waiting for !
  • + 29
 Finally a bike designer who reads and meets pinkbike comments.
  • + 7
 That looks like a Rampage machine to me!
  • - 4
 Its just a screen name. Chill people. I had the nick name crashby in high school 20 ish yes. Ago. Got that nickname cause I had a few weeks of knarly crashes. That name stuck for 3yrs. the people who gave me that nickname I smoke tomorrow rides Then and now. C'mon people let's keep this forum mellow, we all ride.
  • - 52
 this bike looks f*cking gay replacing 2 bikes? its got nothing in common with the wildcard.... another bike id never consider riding
  • + 10
 I'll take one of these in a Large, and one Rune as well.....To Go!
  • + 25
 Wow...crashmaster's account has been suspended for 214012 hours.....SEE YOU IN 24.5 YEARS BUDDY!!!
  • - 4
 That behavior goes for normal up there with the bears. Useless comments make this sites big wheels go around.
  • + 1
 sick geo!
  • + 1
 wow don't click on crash master's profile while at work... poor choice
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  • + 72
 Bikes like this one is where I see the future of 26" wheels. Capable of serious stuff but with more playful character. Focus on ride experience, not on the clock - an honest bike if you like. Love the new logo as well! All the best Banshee!
  • + 3
 New logo? I don't see no new logo
  • - 3
 They added eyes under wings, no?
  • + 1
 Pretty sure my 2009 rampant had that
  • + 7
 Yes, you're right - my bad.
  • + 3
 Another nice looking bike from Banshee, sorry uk riders who still fear banshee's. There is a big need for 180mm bikes and this looks to have everything a rider would need=26" wheels. The bb height typical and low. My AM bike with 6" travel has 13.5" bb height exactly just as this frame does. Soo what happens with the extra 1-2" of travel??? You clippin rocks and pedals but its all good. I could still make it work but going below 13.5" you really asking for trouble lol.
  • + 6
 Apart from the fact that AM bikes need more clearance to pedal between and over obstacles while this bike spends most of its time over obstacles, with pedals leveled.
  • - 11
 It depends on the rider and terrain. I heavy cranking my dh bike just like the AM thru rough loads of bolders. Bad clearance means you can't run like that and many riders have fallen behind me because of this. I get the low bb thing for some tracks or jumping but dh lol good luck.
  • + 1
 Yes that means, it's not a bike for your possibly uncommon terrain, and you should not buy it. However there will be plenty of places on this earth where ot will work great
  • + 4
 Sorry but you need to time your pedalling. That's all. The legend is only 0.2'' higher with 200mm travel. Demo is much lower, some other dh bikes with 200mm travel are also at 13.3-13.5''.
  • + 2
 Well it could also have to do with head angles and stuff ... just because the fork has 20mm more travel doesnt mean the bb will drop 20 mm more at its lowest...just my 2cents.
  • - 5
 Throw some 650b's on their and the BB will be up right where it ought to be...
  • - 8
 Time your pedalling thats a good one. You need to learn how to pump correctly so no need to pedal. The fact is dh frames are getting lower, suspension getting longer 8-9" , tracks getting rougher. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out people will and have been smashing into rocks, clipping pedals, sacrificing key pedal oppourtunities because of bad clearance. I would never buy a low rider because already know thats not going to fly where I ride. I see people on all sorts of "race" bikes taking strange lines and sacrificing pedal strokes in areas that I just chugg right thru. Its up to you build it as you see fit. If you get caught out there its on you. 650b lol if I wanted them would have them. 4 of my bikes including the dh rig all have plenty clearance for a 650byatch wheel. Even my AM bike could fit them no problem. I not running those big wheels ever, if you want them go for it. We have a whole stack of 650b touring wheels/tires in the basement leftover from 1975. You guys want to buy some?
  • - 2
 Reminds me of the Knolly Delirium-T. Very similar specs and intended use. Fun bike for anything but the most pedally trails.
  • + 1
 True. True. I better start saving. Good to see some manufacturers still have hope for 26 wheel bikes. I usually ride single pivot no extra linkage type rigs, but I'm fascinated by how it rides. The shock is still directly mounted to the rear swing arm. Way cool
  • + 1
 With all due respect someone converting a regular 26er into 650b is darn stupid. I heard that Blur TR is a great bike to convert, yea do it you twat...
  • + 2
 and bigbossman: the only situation where SUCH bike would need higher BB is quite flat trails with lots of boulders. Trails where you absolutely must pedal to get a long travel bike rolling. Eventually downhill trails with lots of short steep rocky uphills. But then you should ride an AM bike don't you? Anyways it is great with diversity - if you want something that fits anything and anyone anywhere buy a Session. Or a Giant or a Scott or anything normal. Be nor mal be normal be normal be normal respect my normality normal normal normal
  • + 6
 @Bigbossman it's ironic you tell me to pump so you don't need to pedal when you have said in your previous post you do some heavy cranking.

To counter your points.

1. Suspension is not getting longer. It is getting shorter. Not so long ago frames with over 8 inches of travel were common. Now 3/4 of the market have settled for 8'' in dh.

2. Learn to time your pedals and pick your lines and it will flow even where you ride. The terrain you ride is an excuse not to learn to ride better. I've done my share of bike tourism and the only trail where my legend's bb was too low even when I used too much sag was on one AM trail on MTN of Hell qualifier. On dh trails it was never a problem because a 0.3 won't save you. People blame their bb height for pedal strikes but in 90% of the cases they would have grinded in that place anyway even if their bb was higher. Well that's unless you want a 2003 geo with a BB somewhere around your knees..
  • - 6
 Who said everything was about you Dorothy and toto? You ever been to Plattekill Mountain? Not very flat or forgiving to people with lowballers but you going to be in Albany Trauma Unit in 30min by helicopter lol. Good luck?
  • + 6
 Yeah east coast roxx are the most gnar.... Same old argument. I've been to: 4 different WC DH tracks (Leogang, Maribor (look up the rockgarden), Schladming and Champery). I've been to tons of places all around europe with stupid big rocks and I've had the same problems with bashing my ring/pedals with a 13.7'' bike as I had with a 14.7'' - I only grinded when I was stupid or got careless. Sorry to burst your bubble but Platekill isn't more hardcore. I don't care if it's about me. Just learn to ride and stop fiding excuses. It's not the bike, it's the rider. Somehow top WC pros don't complain about their low bb's but yeah they don't know Plattekill gnar.
  • - 13
 Honestly I really could care less, your wasting your breathe and getting real tight about a bike ride like a typical ignoramous pinkard. Go ride in the south pole with cam cole sitting on your seat poll, nobody cares. Run your bike how like it bro. Go ride an shuthafuggup bich. Should get that tatooed on your little chest.
  • + 4
 If you can't pedal, just don't pedal.
  • - 7
 If you can't ride then stay home and type on pinkbikes.
  • + 2
 Said the guy with no riding photos Wink
  • - 8
 This site needs more riding photos like you need a hole in the head. I have gigabites of pics and video. Not here to show off my big jumps and epic shots like these other strokers. I going for a ride right now, you want to take some pics? Maybe some nice roost shots.
  • + 1
 I'd like to see shots of one built up with a single crown 180mm travel fork and a coil shock. I am considering this for my next bike, but I won't run an air shock ever again due to bad experiences in the past, and I wouldn't get a twin crown fork because it's too big of a pain in the arse to fit the bike into my car boot. My friend has a Rune and he said I should just get that, but this is a Rune isn't it, but with 20mm more travel?
  • + 2
 I understand your feelings towards air shocks. Been there but the DB air is a different beast. I have one on my legend and it is awesome. Better than my RC4. As for riding it depends what you do. Sometimes 160mm travel is enough.
  • + 0
 The thing is, I have a Totem which is 20mm longer a2c than recommended for the Rune V2. That would slacken the HA by 1 degree and lift the BB by 8mm or so. I'd rather get a bike that was designed for longer fork (the totem is 565 and a boxxer is 568mm). I never ride uphill anyway.

I know it could have been badly set up, but I also tried a DBair and found the small bump sensitivity to be poor compared to a coil shock. I could be wrong, but I believe coil will always be better than air if it has the right spring weight and you don't care about the extra 500g.
  • + 2
 I say it's the setup unless you tend to run very little compression damping because then it probably can be felt. I run higher amounts of damping and it felt as sensitive if not more than my RC4.
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  • + 34
 I'm so glad that banshee don't feel the need to make this 650b or 29", not feeling the need to keep up with the big wheel big bikes.
  • - 9
 *doesn't
  • + 5
 similar banshee's frame, RUNE 2013, has similar build.. where you can make it to 650b with different dropouts.. i think it will be possible here too.. but! the choise is yours!
  • + 2
 There is a way of making a 26/650b convertible bike. Someone will pick it up sooner or later. Rune and Spitfire are almost there. 650b has more intrimsic stability thanks to bb being dropped 12mm in relation to wheel axles. Then the chainstay grows by 12mm. even more stability. So the head angle can be steeper as s main consequence.

Let's say you design the bike as 26". What you need is new swingarm or replacable drop out to move the rear wheel axle 12mm up and 12mm back. Then you have a high stack headset for 26", which you change for a zero stack one for 650b. Now the BB goes down in relation to axles. Now you remove 1deg offset bushing from 26" mode and install normal one. You can use offset seat post or just slide your seat back to compensate for seat angle. You might end up 5mm off the ideal reach forbotj bikes but c'm on, people have bigger differences in their bodies.

It sounds complicated but a company can save lots of money by making two types of drop outs and an offset bushing, instead of making two completely new bikes. As a sociopath I can only add that for most eager 650bers it is the wheel size alone that matters. Just give it to them
  • + 0
 I would be shocked if they don't offer a 650b kit as well.
  • + 8
 I was sort of hesitant to open this article, because I didn't want to be disappointed with another 650 bike.
  • + 2
 Just looking at the pics I'm 99% sure the rune/spitfire dropouts will fit and let you rock 650b if you desire. They probably just aren't pushing it since the bike is designed to point downhill only and be ridden on fun quick "freeride" tracks where you would experience pretty much zero benefit from 650b. But, if you are getting it for mini-dh and racing on smoother DH tracks that could be an awesome option. Or as a super burly AM bike I suppose.
  • + 1
 banshee makes a really good line of 29ers and are making a 650b legend.
  • + 2
 I think 650b conversions or shall I say maufactored frames that are readily convertible from 26 to 650 b are coming. Lotta hard core folks still love their 26wheel bikes. And have spare kit Layin around. I've ridden a few 650b bikes and its hard for me to justify cost for complete swap over from 26-650b. I have bikes and shocks that have that lattitude. ... the jury still out.
  • + 5
 If you guys actually read the article, you would have noticed:
"The prototype frame uses Banshee's interchangeable dropout system, but this probably won't make its way into production in order to keep the frame costs down."
  • + 2
 Thanks @erikthefatty, I was yelling at the screen after reading the previous comments. Apparently Pinkbike needs to switch to video reviews because obviously no one is reading the article.
  • + 1
 Given that that there is hardly any difference between 26 and 650b, it shouldn't be too hard. I bet if you did blindfold test, no one could tell the difference even if they were looking for it. If you did a double blind, placebo controlled test and didn't even tell the experimental subjects they were being tested, 100% of them would be none the wiser.
  • + 2
 Jaame you would notice BB drop and cs length, the geometry. But defo not rolling resistance and on certain surfaces not even the larger patch. Actualy in sticky mud larger contact patch means more rolling resistance. One must contemplate and research the term friction before going into larger contact patch = better. Then one must see that "lower attack angle" argument is about small bumps so advantage is gained pretty much only on fire roads. Given same tyre size and pressure there will be an obstacle of a size that meets the attack angle of tyre where it is the suspension that plays the more important role in efficiency. Also as soon as you hear a bloke telling of benefits of larger wheels and he has stone hard 2" tyres you have a full right to caugh "dork"
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  • + 27
 26 WHEELS FOR LIFE !!!
  • + 6
 And afterlife if you believe in it... 26 in heaven, 650b in purgatory 29ers and fixies in hell!
  • + 2
 Too right...my 29 SS takes me to he'll every time...
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  • + 19
 You have to buy this in black and wear a Darth Vader costume while riding it. It had to be done.
  • + 3
 And listen to www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8 while going out for a ride Wink
  • + 4
 Oh of course! Now it needs a light saber holder.
  • + 2
 Dude, that was some funny star wars stuff! Thanks!
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  • + 11
 I really hope they decide to keep the interchangeable/adjustable drop outs. I understand it might make the frame cost a little more, but at least I wont have to buy a new wheel set when I buy it. Having the option of adjustable geo is nice also. Good work Keith, the frame looks awesome!
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  • + 6
 Looks sick. I do, however, wish that bike companies would craft some custom chain/seat stay protectors with every bike. Buying a shiny new bike then swaddling it in old innertubes really looks ghetto imo.
  • + 1
 Its called Splice Tape, I've only found it at Lowe's next to the electrical tape. Its stretchy rubber, and if you take your time you can create a really clean, even wrap resembling a tennis racket handle. Finish it with a strip of electrical tape to keep it from coming unwrapped. Its very 'works'.
  • + 1
 I've done that too. The stuff I found was called "mastic tape", for waterproofing electrical connections. Better than innertubes but still a bit ghetto.
  • + 1
 Use cloth handle bar tape used on road bikes...been doing it for years.
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  • + 3
 Very nice looking bike, this is what I was waiting for to compliment my Prime. I would love it if they kept the the replaceable dropout design, it is brilliant and will let riders choose what wheelsize to ride rather than forcing it down their throats. I hope the sizing of the frames will work for taller riders, my buddy who is about the same height (6'4") as me looks like a giant on his Scythe...please make a larger size for the taller riders out there.
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  • + 2
 Great to see banshee doing great things again and having a proper uk importer with good back up. Ive always been a fan and the knowledge and advice i have had off Keith Scott a few years ago is superb. I reckon this bike will be awesome with a 180mm single crown fork, perfect for most UK downhill tracks.
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  • + 4
 Oh my, this is definitely going to produce about a 30 min ass chewing from my wife when I get caught trying to sneak one of these into my house...it will so be worth it
  • + 2
 I agree. Here comes the dog house.
  • + 2
 My wife said, "Birthday present next year". : )
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  • + 5
 I promised myself i wouldnt buy a new bike. Then this thing comes along and is exactly what im looking for.
  • + 4
 same hereeee
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  • + 2
 How bout head to head with a voltage fr, an enduro evo, and maybe one 650b big travel bike so people have an idea between how two different wheel sized bikes with similar geometry and travel will differ in their riding characteristics.
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  • + 2
 OK I agree with lots of riders who commented up here, it looks like Rune V2 2013, which I own, but I would not mind to have this one as well and the name of the bike DARKSIDE its awesome guys, colors as well, in one word EVERYTHING
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  • + 5
 Giggle, Crash-master got his lil old self suspended for 24 years by Pink bike. Well done!
  • + 1
 Now I'm curious... Has Crash-master set a Pinkbike record?
  • + 1
 don't think so, Ibikerday probs has more or bscar
  • + 1
 actually neg-propper probably got the most hours because he's been banned for a while and has quite a bit left
  • + 1
 I looked it up... "Neg-propper" and "Crash-master" are tied for 213,963 hours. "Bscar" is sitting with 92,xxx. I couldn't find "Ibikerday". Seems there is a cap of approximately a twenty-five year suspension.
  • + 1
 ibikeERday has the same
  • + 1
 I have a dam fu.king long term suspension for posting a riding chick in her underwear. They changed the name to PB user bala bla bla. Scantily clad hot chicks on bikes. God forbid! Did they erase my account? nope. Perverts hahahahahahhahahahahaha
  • + 1
 I remember seeing the link for that photo but they had suspended the account so it was inaccessible... what happened nudity as an expression of art?
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  • + 5
 Nice Bike) - it can be fantastic all arounder with 1 crown fork
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 You Call it Single crown fork
  • + 8
 Crash-master I'm sure you've heard this plenty but you sir are a jacka$$.
  • - 17
 I taking that As a compliment
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  • + 1
 I'm curious as to how changing the dropouts on the production bike would make it less costly??

All the other bikes in the Banshee line up that use this suspension layout use what I assume is the exact same drop out pieces, including what is in the frame? Switching it out on one bike would make it more expensive, no?
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  • + 1
 Awesome bike. I know the article states non-adjustable dropouts will be offered, but I would prefer adjustable chainstay length like on the Scott Gambler instead of the current dropouts. It would make the bike more versatile IMO. Plus, why mess with the BB height just to adjust HT angle? That's what angle headsets are for. A 650B option for this bike is silly.
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  • + 1
 But it's not 27.5! I can't get this because 27.5 has been reported just about everywhere as better. The new black....

Just kidding. But it IS refreshing to see a new 26er coming out. Looks pretty fun. Maybe the new "bottlerocket"?
  • - 1
 Bottlerockets are transition...
  • + 1
 Um, yeah they are,. I didn't say they were anything else. I'm suggesting that these possibly could end up being as popular as the Bottlerocket became a few years back...
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  • + 1
 Oh no. It happened again. Someone said something looks like something.

On the topic: Would like to see how the shortened chainstay will affect the reach if there is any change. Quite positive about the geometry updates on brands new products. I suspect the actual working science keeps the same feeling through the travel, and remains a top pedaler like its predecessors. There is something that tells me brake isolation is improved with this design. Positive expectations only.
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  • + 1
 they make sexy and fun bikes, problem with banshee in my experience is they have terrible customer service.I messed up one of my pivot axles on my rune this summer and after contacting every distributor in my province only to find out they all stopped selling them because banshee wouldn't honour warranty problems even for their own dealers. furthermore I moved on and contacted some online dealers only to find that the part I need is no longer in stock (along with most other parts). so as my last resort I tried contacting them directly through their email, and this is what really pissed me off, first of all he misspelled my name (mike is a pretty easy name) then the guy has the nerve to tell me to try contacting their dealers that I had told him that I had already tried. In the end I was off my bike for almost a month and a half, while never hearing a word back from banshee after the initial email. apparently going to a machine shop and remaking your own pivot axles yourself is the only way to replace parts on your 2 year old bike.... if you think I'm the only one look around and see how many threads there are on pinkbike,mtbr,etc about pivot problems and see how little banshee has done to help the customers that have spent their hard earned cash on these bikes.
  • + 1
 i had issues as well and moved to another brand, but to be fair their new design is rock solid and seems to have no issues compared to the previous design. they are a small company and once they tooled up for the new design, left the old one behind. they did offer deals for replacement frames to people who had issues with the previous design as well. the new bikes look solid
  • + 2
 I have no doubt in my mind that the bikes are solid, I still love the way my rune rides. I am glad they addressed the issue with the new models, but I dont like how they basically screwed the people who bought the bike the years they had pivot issues. offering people a frame for 1700 instead of 2200 is nice gesture i suppose, but in reality they should have done a recall on the frames instead of continuing to sell them for 2 years after the problem was discovered. some pretty questionable buisness practices by these guys have basically made me decide to never buy anything from them again, and I just hope noone else has to deal with all the bullshit that rune owners have had to.
  • + 1
 i am with you. i had a rune and spitfire. if you read those threads on mtbr you'd see i was one of the unhappy customers. the fact they continued to sell the frame with the shoddy wear washers added on was a farce. at tat point the frame should have been mothballed as they knew the design was toast. as much as i like the looks of the new frames and so far the reviews are good, i don't think i'll ever own another banshee. jay and keith are great guys and they are a small niche brand so i realize sales are important. but putting out junk after you know it's junk isn't a solid business plan. but people have short memories and other small brands like ellsworth have survived crummy designs and still stuck around for years
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  • + 5
 looks like a cove shocker
  • + 2
 Look at the 2 bikes side by side, you will see major differences, it is quite obvious.
  • + 1
 Cove have longer chainstays shocker and std
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 Freeride- Ability to raise/lower post for climbing/descent. Short DH- Same geo, just no seatpost adjustment.
I think the new "no seat tube" trend is a step in the wrong direction. I'm stoked Banshee brought back the seat tube!
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  • + 1
 i'm really digging the return of the straight sloping top tube that's parallel with the seat stays. it gives the bike one nice straight line front to back. ala older small Hecklers, Avent, Foes fxr, Hyper, etc.
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  • + 1
 Judging by the frame/dropout design there will be a 27.5 dropout option to come... Why you would want to ride 27.5" wheels on a play-style bike like this I don't know?! Looks sick though!
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  • + 3
 Come to the dark side, we have cookies and bikes that are sick as dicks... I mean tits
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  • + 3
 "The force is strong with this one"
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 If not adjustable, keep the ha at 63.5. That would be one fun bike. Figuring a way to sell my new demo and get this without getting farked
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 Just wait till Gwin wins again.
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 I bought it when he was sucking . I hope they don't change it. Troy and Sam would prob agree
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 Had several runs with using a friend's Scythe, it was stable as hell. So I guess this could be more of the same.
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 I was kind of hoping for some comparison between the other current ks link bikes, the rune and spitfire!
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 awesome bike, hope to see the production version very soon! congrats to the banshee guys
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 please be affordable for me you, wonderfull, magnificent, beautiful bike
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 This frame + X-Fusion Metric + Darth Vader's helmet = WIN!
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 Just for those seeking some more JO material of the Darkside in black... VitalBMX has some sweet images.
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 This bike would work even better if it had the "in-betweener/2" wheel size of 26.75.
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 This bike is sweet. I luv the riding reference. Cause thats where this bike would be home!
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 Before it was clear. Now its a toss up between this and an Uzzi.
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 Such a sick bike by such a sick brand.
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 Seems a bit strange they decided on "Darkside" given it's the moniker of a cult classic mtb hardtail....the Spooky Darkside. They might as well have decided to call it the Stump Jumper.
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 I'll keep my Legend, but DAMN. Well done, Banshee.
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 I like it....lookn forward to pricing. Def needs to stay under that 37lbs. Mark for a 180 bike.
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 Looks like a Santa Cruz VP or Intense 959.. Just saying. I miss how DH bikes used to look like this. Looks nice though.
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 Mix of a cove shocker and a turner dhr But one of the best looking bikes for sure.
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 Long live the Freeride bike !
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 Dual or Single crown up front? hmmmmm
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 Does somebody know which standard on the rear end will be? 12x142?
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 More info and pics please!
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 look pretty but would not it be a great story ... I believe
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 Are there 4-pistons Formula brakes on it???
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 Holy hell! There is a god of bikes!
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 very good machine, yes sir, you are doing things right the banshee
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 Dear Banshee: your new bike... it looks an AWFUL lot like a Cove. just sayin.
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 I want to see thet GEO for this beats!!!!!!!!!!
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 This looks amazing Drool
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 as the proud owner of a banshee wildcard since 2008: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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 but the darkside is one amazing looking bike!
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 This bike looks like solid fun
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 When will we hear about what colors it will be available in?
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 h\dsfub\sdlfh\sf\ljdsf \s shiiiiiiiiiiit maaaaaaaaan, why whyyyy so such a beauty whyyyyy....
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 because its Banshee dude, that's why
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 The Force is strong with this one
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 Geo has tr250 or entourage likenesses
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 Wow, suddenly I don't want the Flatline Pro any more.
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 Is this a do it all bike as well?
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 Reminds me a little of the FR series frame from Scott
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 what a mix, 2013 cove shocker+ 2013 turner dhr...
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 I want it now!
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 TBD = To Be Determined
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 I want it!!!!!!!!!
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 Just did a double take....VP free lookalike!
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 looks like an updated Cove Shocker
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 Banshee make a new bike and end up with a cove shocker , wow
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 Do you even know what a Shocker looks like? Not even close.
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 I didn't ask you where to buy one, I asked if you know what it looks like? Wink
Look at the Cove Bikes web-site, you will see that the linkage is very different.
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 Look different but work in a similar fashion.
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 In that they are both virtual pivot style bikes, yes.
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 (@bigburd) I thought the same exact thing, at first glance.
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 Thats what She said
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 Or not
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 you should come ride by me crash master i have some goats to feed you
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 Mjam,do you also have got Pizzas,i Love them
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 @forkbbrayker come to my House and i have Some Oil to Feed you
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 Dude I thought earlier you were just being coy. Nah ...you are a troll in wierdo.
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 He's not a troll, Troll's are usually quite clever...
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 Take your "hashtag" and GTFO kid...
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