Video: Size Matters

Mar 12, 2013 at 8:45
Mar 12, 2013
by Joe Bowman  
 
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Photo by Duncan Philpott whilst shooting for Cotic Bikes

The Cotic Solaris was designed to take the best of our legendary Soul trail hardtail and bring all that to the 29" wheel format.

- Reynolds 853 steel front triangle with signature Ovalform top tube and new gussetless DZB down tube.
- 44mm standard head tube designed with external bottom cup for taper steerer compatiblity and zero stack top cup for minimal stack height.
- 31.6mm seatpost size is dropper seatpost compatible and the frame has hose clips for the remote under the top tube.
- Clearance for big tyres - 2.4" Maxxis Ardents fit fine.
- Geometry with commitment! Minimum 80mm travel forks or 470mm rigids. Handles great with 100mm sus forks, strong enough for up to 120mm travel.
- Sizes - 16" (new for 2013), 17.5", 19" and 20.5".
- The frames are designed to be compact and chuckable.
- Weight - 4.9lbs for the 19"

Photo by Duncan Philpott whilst shooting for Cotic Bikes

For info on the Cotic Solaris and more, head over to: Cotic Bikes

Photo by Duncan Philpott whilst shooting for Cotic Bikes

Huge thank you to:

- James Swinden (Rider)
- Hamsterley locals
- Alex Kohnert (actor)
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223 Comments

  • + 278
 I'm only 26" and proud!
  • - 26
 Like I have a Soul for 2 years and this framework is terrible, super handy, very nervous, stable.But at 29, he loses the qualities that version 26. "It is inevitable
  • - 43
 That sing really did not go well with the riding but I loved it anyways!
  • - 22
 yea when they said that the size does matter they were talking about the size of his ballz, not of his wheels... DH on a herdtail 29er... holly crap
  • - 18
 If you know what I mean..... Wink
  • + 85
 They are trying so hard to push those 29'er down on us that it is ridiculous....
  • + 2
 Don't knock it till you try it! I'm sure a 29er isn't that hard to ride! If you know what i mean Wink
  • + 59
 Yeah, but can you drift and scatter all those dry leaves into the camera in slow motion on your scooter wheels? I know I can't. My 26" wheel stalls when they hit dry leaves. I have to get off and kick the leaves into the camera instead.
  • + 20
 I own both platforms and both have their assets and flaws in different trails. For example, the 26 is much faster in narrow single tracks, and trails with tight switchbacks , while 29er is much faster on rock gardens, and open trails. So to me, I believe you will never have the perfect bike, you just have to adjust to the style. By the way, I'm talking by my own experience as a XC/AM rider, don't have a clue how it works on DH or FR platforms...
  • + 22
 I'm saying this and only this: I thought at one point there he was gonna throw a nasty tabletop but he didn't and I was disappointed because if it was a 26"... I know I would have seen that nasty tabletop I expected...
  • + 8
 @ Cajokv: The reason 29ers are being pushed so hard is due to inventory. The bike companies thought everyone would be still going banana's over 29ers and no one did. So, there is access inventory that needs to be liquidated quickly.
  • + 6
 Ok, but, please, let us make our own choices...I am getting really anoyed at all this propaganda to sell 29ers...it's like @abzillah says: they seem in a hurry to sell all the bikes that weren't sold because that 29er fever never really took place...
  • + 2
 Most of those angry with 29ers probably never had a chance to try one or simply do not need such a bike for their needs.

But why get angry? I think it's great to have choice.
Old days when you were thinking MTB, there was pretty much one wheel size to match all the off-road biking, now we can pick up whatever suits us better cos every wheel size has it's benefits. I personally ride 29" for XC racing, 26" for trail/AM/FR - loving both.
By the way, despite the unnecessary 'braking news' style speech, this video was really fun to watch.
  • + 1
 Whats the little device on the chainstay?
  • + 1
 y0davo: It is probably a Bionicon: Cotic like them.
www.jensonusa.com/Bionicon/Bionicon-CGuide-V02-Chainguide
  • + 2
 also a nice rip-off for 50 bucks,.,.
  • + 2
 Love my 29" and my 26" they are both really fun. Its kinda nice to have options.
  • + 1
 Pinkbike at its best again.

What you all seem to miss is that bikes like these aren't meant to replace (or even are in the same market segment as) DH or FR bikes. The UK has a tradition of long travel hardtails: mostly steel framed HT's with long-ish forks designed for having a blast in the woods, both up and downhill which is exactly what this bike is - only with 29"wheels.

Fact is quite some people dig this kind of bike (Trek bringing out the Stache says a lot) and for this kind of riding on a HT 29" can be beneficial for obvious reasons (more control, grip and so on) which can only be a good thing.

Pretty much all negative comments are either based on a misunderstanding of what this bike is about or just general uninformed 29er hating.
  • + 1
 You make a good point and I don't, in any way "hate" 29ers...what I don't like, is the constant "bashing" at the 26ers, who have been under our legs for more then we'll be happy to admit...everything has it's place, and new wheel sizes are very important, because it now means that, us, riders, have more choice, but you can't deny, in anyway, how much 26ers have been put down, in order to sell 29ers. That's my only niggle...
  • + 4
 Indeed. The bicycle industry can be pretty pushy at times and 29ers are a good example. In fact I think a lot of the 29er hate stems from people being annoyed by the manufacturers trying to force something onto them and the media portraying it as the next big thing. Which is a shame as I'm convinced 29ers definitely have their place and the industry kinda shot themself in the foot by marketing them so aggressively.
  • + 2
 Exactly. Thanks for sharing your point of view brother.
  • + 2
 To right! Stand up for the 26" revelation!!!!!!
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  • + 131
 29ers are an option not the future , and I see no ROCK GARDEN in this video
  • + 8
 LOL SO TRUE
  • + 12
 no rock garden because

a/ he crashed in it.
b/ the big floppy wheels collapsed
or
c/ both of the above.
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  • + 121
 Go away 29ers. So bored of your spakka wheels.
  • + 65
 6'7" here, and I like my 29er. Since I'm 15% taller than the average person I want a bike that's 15% bigger than the average bike.
  • + 44
 70 ' here , and i like my ferris wheels .
  • + 7
 Go away 2-wheelers. If your not riding your bike around like those stick-horses kids had back in the day, you must be a pu$$y.
  • + 5
 your anger is futile
  • + 21
 Yeah i guess thats why XC world cups are almost exclusively run on 29ers now...because they have no purpose and should just go away. Can people not accept that not every one thinks 26ers are the be all and end all of bikes? 90% of riders do not throw their bikes around with whips, flips and scrubs. Most riders barely know what any of those things are. Lots of them dont spend much time at all going down hill. They are not concerned about how agile and chuckable their bike is. They care about how comfortable it is, how it rolls over stuff and carries momentum. Things that 29ers do very very well.

Also, I have met so many people who rode a 29er for the first time and were amazed by how it didnt handle like a school chair stuck on top of two ferris wheels. A lot of the haters here are under the impression that they handle completely differently to 26 inch bikes. They dont! In an awful lot of settings they feel every bit as good as a 26er. A hell of a lot of people who have ridden a 29er are immediate converts in spite of them hating beforehand. Most of the people talking crap here have never ridden one at all so have no basis to form an opinion.

This is coming from the owner of a 26 inch steel hardtail and a brand new 26 inch enduro bike. Horses for courses lads.
  • - 13
 Guys don't prop fingerbangextreme his props are at 69
  • + 22
 @samsemtex: 90% of riders need to get their shit together
  • + 5
 main problem i have with my 29 is its incredibly hard to manual compared to my dh and bmx :/
  • + 4
 6'3-6'4, I'm staying on 26.
  • + 7
 6`3 and i also will be staying on 26 i have ridden both and 29ers are great if your just looking to get out for a ride on trails but if you really want it to flow and you want to challenge yourself you need to have the 26. 26`` wheels are just so much more stable in corners and controllable in the air.

why re invent the wheel
  • + 3
 6'6" and loving my Transition Bandit 29'er. Yes, harder to throw around but having larger wheels does help you keep your speed and bomb through obstacles faster. To each their own; nice to have a choice.
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  • + 54
 It looks hideous.

And the whole idea behind the "This rock garden slows me down so much, I need some bigger wheels (not better skills)!" is just lame. Learn how to ride. Or just ride on fire roads, those are not bumpy.
  • + 36
 OK then dont use suspension because thats an aid as well, and dont use modern hydraulic brakes. All of the arguments here are so hypocritical.
  • - 27
 And you do not understand that le29 not the same behavior as 26??? How do we do if we do not like the 29 "and you prefer the 26"?
Your words do not take early and has nothing to do with disc brakes and suspensions.
  • + 8
 What Lehel-NS is talking about is the idea that because someone struggles on a certain section of a trail doesn't mean you need to automatically look for bigger wheels but instead learn how to ride that section more effectively. Suspension is an aid, so is wheel size but to change your bike on the basis you can't ride a rock garden is stupid 'poozank' has missed the point of his post and instead call everyone who thinks otherwise a hypocrite.
  • + 16
 I really doubt the guy on a video can't ride @Lehel... but thay had an idea and they executed it nice the video is mint.
  • + 12
 Its simple, they want to trap newcomers to the sport, "bigger is better" well bigger is flexier Smile ,
29" + Rock gardens = Happy wheel builders!.
a good rider will ride a pogo stick faster down a mountain than a covert roadie on a 29".
  • + 0
 27.5 what hwat
  • + 3
 27.5 is a little bit of a joke to me. 2.5 tires on a 26" wheel have an extremely similar outside diameter as 2.2" tyres on a 650B rim. seeing as if I changed to 650B wheels i'd be forced to run narrower tires, it's essentially the same thing, unless you ran little tires in the first place.
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  • + 44
 Bikes are just good regardless.. let's not be race, sex, age, size or weightist about it.

This guy rips on a 29" better than most on 26" that i see.

That being said.. I'm probably never going to buy one.. but variety is the spice of life
  • + 8
 Nicely put.
  • + 10
 What? If I can't hate 29ers because I'm a racist sexist agist weightist American I don't know what American is.
  • + 4
 american is from america
  • - 1
 I'm an American. What did I miss here? Hating 29ers is part of who we are? The only thing I hate is that all our bike shops are calling them two niners. Just kinda annoying. Did you hate electric cars when they first came out? Damn hybrid civic! My gas civic is so much faster and better! Hybrid's stay off the road!
  • + 0
 sarcasm dude.
  • + 0
 I know, dude.
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  • + 45
 Sounds like people who ride 29ers are compensating for something...
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  • + 32
 all about the rider
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  • + 17
 I love Cotic videos, regardles of what size wheels they're using Big Grin

Nice to see my 18bikes (my LBS) in a video too Big Grin
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  • + 17
 That opening news announcement...priceless! Great video guys Big Grin
  • + 10
 Yes, and great riding, too! Props to the rider, on whatever bike.
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  • + 14
 Whining haters on PB, who would've known. Awesome video, I'd love to give the Solaris a go despite being perfectly happy with my Soul.
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  • + 11
 the smack talking on 29ers is ridiculous.. sometimes you need a different tool for the job...chill ride = I grab my 29er, going out to get stupid= I grab my remedy and my full face
  • + 16
 Most of the people commenting likely do not understand that it isn't mandatory to buy, ride, and like 29ers just because an article, video, or ad was posted on Pinkbike. Instead, they take offense to it's existence and defend their 26" life choices.
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  • + 14
 Oh my god it's rocket man!!!!! 0_0
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  • + 13
 That guy rips, i need a Cotic!
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  • + 13
 Nice riding, that looks like a fun trail
  • + 3
 The trail is Hamsterley forest in the north of England. it's Danny Hart's local trail for XC and DH
  • - 4
 haha gwin is so much better
  • + 6
 not in the mud young man, not in the mud.
  • + 2
 ^Grab a napkin Jimmy0 cus you just got served
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  • + 9
 This place is ridiculous. Just read all the drivel people post in the name of comment. Here are some wake ups to some of you who are happily living in a town called Dogma: Read and inwardly digest.

1) The UK riding scene is different to where you live.
2) Other people ride differently to you.
3) Moreover they prefer it to how you choose to ride.
4) Cy at Cotic, who designs the frames, may know a bit more about what UK riders want and need than you do, he has after all built a successful company from such knowledge.

My BFe is a 26 inch and I love it riding what I ride here in Japan, however I have no doubt that the Solaris will light up in some people's hands over mine, so props to them, let them enjoy it and in the mean time, stop whining. You only sound ridiculous to everyone except other whiners.
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  • + 7
 why does this video remind me of those old mbuk videos, is it 1996? that bike looks exactly the same as those ancient rockhoppers with pace forks and dcd chain guides that they were doing high speed first gear wheelies through fields and stuff!
  • + 1
 Is that why I think that bike looks hot.... damn I think Im getting old.
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  • + 6
 here we go again the 29er vs a 26er debate. 29ers are an option. nobody is forcing you to ride it. personally i run a stanton and i do just fine with 26in wheels but i dont hate against the 29er. its another option on the market just like you have the OPTION to pick from shimano, sram, hayes, formula, and hope for brakes. be happy that the market offers variety.
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  • + 7
 I'm prob. the only person who thinks this bike looks pretty nice... but i'd still prefer to chew my leg of then ride a 29er. I'll stick to my old shitty American Eagle team issue.
  • + 2
 Old shitty !!!! But how much fun have you had on it ???
  • + 1
 More then money can buy Smile
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  • + 7
 great editing, great riding and what a bike! Best 29er I have ever seen. Nice, clean frame Wink
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  • + 7
 I ride on a 24" wheelset and never had any problem with rockgardens...
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  • + 3
 I've got a 29er hardtail built up for aggressive trail riding (very similar to the Cotic build) and a full suspension 26er rig with 5.75" travel.Technical trails is all I ride and I can pretty much do the same stuff on both my bikes. Have you that after a ride on the 29er, i'm quite shaken from the rigidness. Okay, so whats my point,having perhaps skill and comfort on a bike will get you through 'almost' anything regardless of wheel size. Although I do prefer my 26er rig! One other thing perhaps worth mentioning is I find that taller folks (6'0 and plus) enjoy a bigger wheeled rig better. Its more proportional.

Enjoyed the vid! Cotic makes some sweet bikes!
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  • + 3
 lol another comical video from Cotic to promote another great bike of theirs! For those whining about this video, try watching their Rocket Man and Soul Brothers video... they contain something called "humour" Razz
Can't wait to get my Soul out for a ride!
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  • + 4
 Who really cares about what wheel size you are riding, they both have advantages and disadvantages. The important part is that you are out on your bike and getting stoked. This guy did just that!
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  • + 6
 Such a nice looking bike spoiled by 29" wheels, they just don't look right.
  • + 4
 You know this is the 29er version of their 26inch soul?
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  • + 3
 Always thought of 29 ers as something someone new to the sport would ride or when i am old i would want to ride one like when i retire ! I have ridden one before and I felt as though it made biking to easy like I was on auto pilot in short 29ers are mountain biking for dummies get some skill pay your dues and it will all be possible on a 26 hardtail getting a little tired of all the BS the bike industry keeps ramming down our throats they are bikes get over it stop trying to reinvent the wheel and the triangle Wink
  • + 7
 Haters gonna hate, I'm 6'7" and 26ers are too small. 29ers mean I can ride a decent mountain bike that doesn't look like a BMX.
  • + 2
 Haters wouldn't hate if 29ers were advertised as a solution for really tall people, what exactly they are. Of course 29ers have their place for you guys. Instead of that, they are advertised as better than 26", as future etc. The reason for that is that you guys are probably not enough to produce big money to companies accounts, so they are trying to sell them to all of us, claiming that "size matters". Why we just don't ride 32ers or 36ers in that case?
Companies realized that 29ers propaganda is not having the desired effect and now we got also 27,5" that is claimed to be "best of both worlds". Best of what? 26" is a perfect wheel size. It has been perfect for so many years and I see no reason not to be perfect for much more years to come. Riding 26" bike is super easy and super fun!
I don't mind having 29ers and 27,5" as an options, but let bike companies stops telling us that 26ers are not good enough, because this is just no true.
  • + 2
 Hey now! On the money! I'm glad 29ers exist for that exact reason! 6'7" & love my 29er hahaha
  • + 1
 The height excuse doesn't matter, I am 5'6" and will never go back to 26" wheels.. They feel like a little kids bike.. The ONLY DRAWBACK I FOUND IN 29" is air time feels awkward.. Cornering is far more precise... And who are all these Sasquatch that think they will break anything other than DH or 26" bike components.. I have been riding hard for 25 years and never broke anything on a bike unless I crashed violently..
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  • + 3
 Fun video. I don't care what size wheels anyone rides any more than I care what size chainring they are running.

Uh Oh, 650b trailbikes keep winning the Fontana Winter Series DHs. Now what? Kevin Aiello and Logan Binggeli are besting the field on the "tweener" wheels. Oh Nooooooooo.....
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  • + 3
 For those of us over 6', the larger wheels are nice as it balances out the ratio of length to wheel rolling of the bike. L/XL 26" bikes look goofy and feel like two unicycles hooked together at times for us Clydesdales. All shorter people can complain but we breathe the fresher air. Wink
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  • + 2
 There's so many negative comments on this article, I'm not a fan of it (the 29" wheels make it look silly) but the video is great! One of the best videos I've seen in a while, really makes me want to get a hardtail to thrash!
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  • + 2
 Aaron Laroque puts up a banshee prime video, no mention of 29er. Everyone gushes. Cotic puts up a 29er video, everyone pisses and moans about 29ers. You guys are more moody than a single teenage girl on her period on valentines day. Good riding and video to me.
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  • + 2
 A 29er hardtail is a calculated, self-imposed mechanical limitation that certain people buy into. That, and the hope that they will be the guy/girl on a 29er hardtail that rips a DH section faster than the kids on their shiny-new-sick-as-shit-$5k-DH-bike and full body armor. That happens on occasion...which is why you build an ancient hardtail with V-Brakes and Bio-Pace chainrings and smoke both the 29er and the DH kids.

As fun as it is ripping around on a 1994 Barracuda frame (yes I have one don't be jealous) I don't want my bike to be my limitation. Big travel and light weight equal no excuses. So when I puss out on a 30-foot gap its because my nuts just crawled up into my gut. Not because I was concerned that I may burp a little Stans out of my wagon-wheel.

My beef with 29": flexy/whippy wheels(have you railed a berm on a 29" wheel?) + heavier + less playful + fugly + not at all compatible with the piles of 26" tires, forks, wheels, etc. that I already have + pisses off my bike rack = less fun.
  • + 3
 You do realise there are different types of riding styles and terrain out there? A lot of people who mountain bike regularly around here dont even know what a berm is. They certainly dont know what a scrub or whip is. Some places just dont have the gnarly or flowy terrain that people on pinkbike seems to think the world revolves around. They often have quite mundane and boring trails but they are fun to the average person who will never take mountain biking as seriously as some of us here. I know for a fact that a 29er is considerable faster around my local trail centre as there are really long uphill traverses with shitty uphill rock gardens thrown in every so often. You can ride these just as fast on a 26er for a while but for 65km of it you want a 29er (on a hardtail anyway, it just beats the shit out of you on a steel 26er). You just dont get bogged down on rocky climbs the same way you do on a 26. Or more accurately it allows you to choose poorer lines. I dont see the problem with this as most weekend warriors just want to enjoy riding their bike and dont have time to practise and get better.

I still ride my 26 and i wouldnt change it as i ride much more technical stuff and i like throwing my bike around but for the average trail centre/casual rider 29ers make way more sense.
  • + 3
 you just dont get it, do you? 29r's arent being marketed to beginners, they start at around £1k for a decent entry level machine, so the idea that the people who will buy them are only doing it because they want comfort is bunk. novices dont spend that much on a bike just because it has bigger wheels than a 'normal' bike. theyre being marketed directly and quite agressively at us, the lifestyle riders, and we have rejected the idea because we're not stupid and we can see that big wheels = less strength.

theyre being pushed as being as chuckable as a 26 but faster, although Ive yet to see proof of this beyond a couple of industry led videos and atricles. even the mags are having a difficulty telling us a convincing story about why we should buy 29 or even 650b. its always 'its just like a 26, only with a few drawbacks and you wont notice the difference anyway'. then why would I buy one? its bullshit.

if youre 6'6 and need a taller bike then it makes sense, but the 29'r is being pushed as a replacement for the 26 and thats just not going to happen.
  • + 1
 No i think its you who doesn't get it. I never said they were being marketed at beginners. Shit loads of people who are very far from beginners have zero style and do not chuck their bikes around much. You dont seem to realise that some people with years and years of biking experience actually prefer a 29er. If there are no advantages to a 29er then why are they being run by all the pros at XC races? And dont give me that "oh its the manufacturers trying to market their 29ers." There are loads of companies out there who would put their riders on 26inch wheels if they thought it would bring them the exposure of winning world cups.

I wouldnt buy a 29er as i DO really like a very agile bike. The vast vast majority of riders dont notice the slight drop in agility and that does not necessarily mean beginners. A 29er IS considerably faster on the longest 65km loop near where i live than a 26 inch bike. They do roll over stuff slightly better, its just a fact which some people here cant accept. Just like its a fact that 26 inch wheels are slightly more agile. What 29er have you ridden and what made you think it offers zero advantages to certain types of riders?
  • + 0
 firstly pro riders ride whatever their bike sponsor tells them to ride and says whatever their sponsor tells them to say. pro teams are not there just to win races they are there to sell product, it just so happens that the product in vogue at the moment is big wheels. the reasoning behind the recent push of big wheels is simple, it's harder to sell a person a product they already have, 29ers are a salesman's wet dream not only do customers have to buy the wheels they also have to buy new frames, forks tyres etc etc. I the benefits are as huge as the marketers would have you believe how come it took 30 years for bike builders to start making them. Oh and please don't mention Gary Fishers bullshit excuse that they wanted to make them all allong but couldn't get the wheels made until recently, what a crock of shit.
  • + 2
 the pro riders compete on 29rs because one of them did and now they all have too, in case they lose an advantage. thats pretty much the only time a 29r is appropriate.and, as b45er said, theyre not privateers, they ride team bikes and if Trek or CRC give them a big wheeled bike then thats what they have to ride.

If the marketing was aimed at pro-team riders or the 1000 miles a month crowd as an alternative with benefits that outweighed the drawbacks, thent that wouldnt be a problem, but theyre being touted as a direct replacement for 26, with some companies dropping thier 26 model in favour of a 29 for this year. it appears that the manufacturers have got together and agreed to force this on the market whether we want it or not.

the message is clear too: if youre still riding 26 then youre getting left behind and arent a 'real' mtb'r because you havent kept up with the latest technology. Ive ridden a few 29rs and I dont see what they have to offer thats so much better. they felt twitchy on anything other than mildly rough stuff and I felt like I was about to be pitched over the bars on anything like a decent trail. videos like the one above give the impression that you can just get on one and start ripping like a pro, but that film was edited and the lines redone over and over again, and the bike was in the hands of a pro rider who has been practicing those lines, probably for days.

29 has its place, but its NOT a replacement.
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 "And the whole idea behind the "This rock garden slows me down so much, I need some bigger suspension (not better skills)!" is just lame. Learn how to ride. Or just ride on fire roads, those are not bumpy."
"Sounds like people who ride big suspension are compensating for something.."


I don't like to dumb down the trails often, but when I do, I ride a bike w/150mm+ of trail-numbing suspension.
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 I have a Solaris, and I love it! Currently set up as a rigid, perfect long toptube for my 6"4" and a short stem, and finally a bike that doesn't look like a kid's bike when I'm on it....
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 that guy looks like hes built his skills up well on 26'' and 24'' bikes to be able to flick a 29er around like that, Fair Play to him, but i'm guessing less skilled riders and new comers to biking wouldn't be able to throw a 29er round like that without spending years on the older 2 sized wheels i have mentioned.
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 I really don't think that the rest of the world gets 'tounge in cheek' British humour...
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 You 26" vs 29" crack me up with all these over analytical stats that mean absolutely nothing.. Like trying to convince a ford guy to buy a Chevy.. Every time a 29" video pops up the comments are off the chart.. But when a video of a 26er over pumping every little bump on the trail do the 29ers get up in arms because we think that looks gay? The industry is not telling you what to buy... If you don't know what bike suits your riding style then you have no business even stating your opinion..
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 the guy was riding hard for sure but I didnt see any rock gardens or anything that my 26" couldnt handle....
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 Where was the rock garden?

Pretty pointless video really, you don't see a video of say a demo 8 stating it can help you with downhill and only show someone riding it on a road.
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 Nice vid and nice riding. And please stop the stupid discussion about 26, 27.5 or 29'ers and what is right. Every wheel size has it's advantages and opposite but what is more important is what kind of style of riding the rider likes. Some likes the efficient way the 29'ers often rides and some prefer the more lively way the smaller sizes rides. And so what as long the rider has a good time when riding. I am so lucky, that I can have both 26, 27.5 and 29 wheelers to choose from and I really like them all but for different types of riding.
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 I agree with you, but the manufacturer remove more 26 "in favor of 29" or 27.5 "! Look at Specialized, Cannondale and BH in 2014.
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 I think, that 27.5 will be the new 26" for most types of riding (Not DJ, SS, pump track etc.). The difference between 26 and 27.5 is very small, but mostly in the 27.5's favor. The difference between 27.5/26 and 29 is on the other hand much more noticeable and I see a need for both.
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 As I understand the arrival of 29 that offer a product dispute 26 ", but the 27.5, I do not see the point, because too little difference with a 26" wheel 5.27 A has a diameter of 27.5 "with tire 2.25. A wheel 26 "will diamiètre 26.5" tire with a 2.25. So the difference is only 1 inch. Wink
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 Make a hydration pack that can carry a wheelset and I'll bring some 29's for when the trail gets ooooh, too bumpy. Razz

Otherwise, I'll stick to my 26's for all of the other benefits that 29ers cancel out. Still haven't tried 650b though. I'm open to it.
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 Why are we getting so upset about 29 ers guys?? If you like 26 great!! If you like 29 awesome, I just don't know why everyone is getting defensive about the whole size thing. We all have one thing in common and that is passion for riding. Go out and ripp in whatever it is that you like to ride.
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 sick riding!! to many there are too many haters on this site. bikes are fun to ride.
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 No doubt! That dude SHREDS!!! I don't have a 29er and I may never have one. But I've ridden them and they're super fun!
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 That rock garden was gnarly, I gotta go build one of them..... lol mmmmmm I love building rock gardens. Great riding BTW, still not convinced to shell out my hard earned on a twenty9'er. I have too many bikes already that I just don't ride.
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 nothing to do with 29ers but i own a cotic soul 26" bike and it is one of the most comfortable, confident, capable hardtail i have ridden with razor precission. Steel is Real!!!
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 No doubt they've achieved it. The 29er guys, i mean. Lots of people arguing bout whether these are better than those. so what? so what if makers wana release 26, 29 or 51 wheels? if so, will be cause they're sold, cause there's someone who buy them.
But nothing happens dudes, don't panic, there're still enough wheels for everyone........ and if you don't like it, don't buy it. that easy.
I tested one of those huge wheels bikes a few days ago n i'm not interested in them at present. too unwieldy for my liking. but who knows, maybe with years, when the small ones no longer exist, we have to pull our pants down. hope not.
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 Lovely bike but im happy with my 26" wheels
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 big bikes don't need big wheels
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 Man, that trail looks like so much fun, for a 26er.
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 That was a class video, that lad is as fast as hell, deadly bitta action altogether, I don't give 2 shites what bike he was on
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 I live in Arizona. Pretty much all of the trails here are rock gardens. I have, so for, ridden strictly 26" and I have never had an issue with my wheel size. I would definately like to try a 29er, preferably a long travel one. Though there are WAY more 29ers on Arizona trails i.e. South Mountain and Hawes. Despite this, I do not think I will changing any time soon!
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 I'm not trying to say that 29ers are bad, they are great and the perfect choice for some people, but I am a little sick of the media focusing on 29ers so much. Great vid btw trail looks super fun.
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 29" are so wierd, america went so hard into them and they flopped bad.

in europe and the east companies are going to try to push 650b instead, but in america they can't because they put so much into telling everyone 29 was the future.
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 He was overshooting a lot of the corners which proves that 29ers lack agility in the tight stuff. Watch the video again and see for yourself.
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 I confirm.
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 'Omg i hate how they're forcing 29rs on us.' Its not worth getting all worked up about, I'm just stoked to watch someone do whips and ride fast and shit.
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 so funny to see these perpetual hard ons for 26. a bigger wheel may not flick and skip around as easy but it sure as hell will beat a 26 down a rough trail any day. I have had both bikes in hard tail and now I can keep up with my all mountain buddies on my 29 and then wait at the top while they push and sweat on the ride back up.
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 I'll assume he means the size of his balls. If he means 29', flat bars, 80mm suspension and cross country positioning, stay away from me, didn't like at all. Great skills and video though.
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 Meh... its soo last year... 650B baby is where its at... you can have your rock gardens AND your backflips Wink
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 What the hell? Are you claiming that a 29er can't be backflipped!!?
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 I'm stating that it would be DAMNED hard to do it with anything but the lightest of tires... remember its all about the inertia in a lot of tricks... MX bikes get away with it because they have a gasoline fueled motor and long/steep ramps, but with bicycles its another story. If 29ers were easily backflipped and tricked around on, you'd see people at Redbull FR events using them already, because lord knows the sponsors of many of the riders doing the tour already make 29er trail bikes. So far the only BIGGER wheeler with any actual success has been Logan Binggeli's third at the 2012 rampage on a 650B Full Suspension DH bike (who cleanly landed multiple back flips in his runs and practice sessions).
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 Other tricks that move the wheels sideways can be close to impossible on the big wheel yes. But tire weight stopping you being able to backflip, come on...
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 Your so pro 27.5 its unreal. Any excuse to waffle on about the pointless in between size. I'm still yet to see any 27.5 products on sale in the UK as yet I really hope it stays your side of the pond, 3 wheel sizes is enough, we don't need a 4th.
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 @mozz.... shitty for you then but you might try opening your eyes and actually looking around at some bike stores...
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 actually mozz is quite correct, 650b bikes/parts are nothing but photo's in magazines and brochures here, i visit lots of shops and i'm yet to see a single 650b product in any of them. if you want tweener wheels tyres etc they generally have to be ordered in.
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 Really? A quick check and I find CRC has forks, tires, rims and wheels in stock now. Took me all of eight seconds to learn that.
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 Shock horror, 650b size is sold by the worlds biggest online bike shop! In reality, in real bike shops there are no bike to be found with them over here yet. Once spares such as rims, spokes and tyres start to be stocked in morzine I will consider them a viable alternative, but till then its just a case of the emperors new clothes with modern day marketing spin.
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 deeight - I've been observing you for a while... I hacked into your notebook and took this short vid of you typing in, "650B" all over this site - what you seem to be doing since months

leereamsnyder.com/images/uploads/jc-typing.gif

The only thing I miss in a 502923rd discussion on wheel sizes is that second prick waki, where is he BTW?
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 @deeeight you do know that CRC is a massive company that owns quite a few brands and even a few distributors right?
they are not a shop you cant just pop in for a look around its a massive warehouse full of boxes. i.e. if you want some bits you have to ORDER them.
in fact quite a few items that my local bke shop order from their distributors arrive with CRC's warehouse as the return address.
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 I am aware of CRC's size. Are you aware of how to use GOOGLE ?

This took six seconds... "650b uk"

www.pedalandspoke.co.uk

There ya go, an independant shop with bikes in stock. Seriously? You're a child aren't you? Need to get mum and dad to drive you around and pay for your bikes ? Too lazy to actually pick up a phone and call shops to see who has what ?
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 deeeight,
If I may be so bold as to suggest that your choice of words and general demeanour really are not helping you to win any friends, or make your point. I live in Japan and here I have yet to see a single 650B product in the flesh, in any of my LBS. And that is a crucial point dee that you, I am afraid, have completely missed it appears.

The word LOCAL. In the never ending pool of vitriol regarding the online / LBS debate, one should be very careful to avoid forgetting that the point of an LBS is that it should be just that, an Lbs, with a capital L.

If I travel to Tokyo (a good 8 hour drive in horrendous traffic I can assure you), to Guava Jelly or Grove, two of the biggest off road shops here, I might get to find something of the 650b ilk, yet at the local bike shops within an hour of here (Yokkaichi, Mie) I have yet to see a single item.

If I may be as presumptuous as to talk on behalf of b45her and mozz, as a Brit who is always in bike shops when I go back home, I too have yet to see a single 650b item in any shop.

Your point that it is possible to find 650b stuff in A shop (capital A!) is not a refutation of their point. By your logic, the fact I saw (and bought) some scones online in Japan last week does not mean that scones are either a) popular or b) readily available.

Given the above, and your apparent lack of ability to see such a point, I am tempted to suggest that it be you who should open your eyes a little more in this world.

Have a good day and enjoy Canada, you are a lucky human being my friend to have such a great MTB playground.
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 deeeight, firstly that shop is in surrey hardly "local" to me and secondly it a scott dealership, the reason they happen to have a 650b bike is because scott don't make a 26" wheeled trail bike anymore, i'm sure if i spent hours driving all over wales or visited some of the bigger chain type stores i would eventually find some 650b bikes/parts. the point i am trying to make is that up to now 650b has had absolutely no real penetration into the UK market and even the more established 29" standard is still very much a niche product outside of XC/marthon races.
a local specialized dealer has told me that he is selling 26" stumpjumpers at a ratio of 15-1 compared to the 29" model and that even as hardtails 26" wheeled bikes are still out selling 29ers by a considerable margin, hardly sounds like a dead standard to me.
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 mountain biking is a evolving sport , get over it . One size(2) does not fit all .... I for one would love to have a 27.5 for all mountain .
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 i'd like to try one too the genius 730 was on my new bike shortlist before xmas, its kind of hard to test ride a photograph though, i'm not saying 650b bikes are bad just that they aren't here in any meaningful way.
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 Last autumn I was riding one of those ugly 650b norcos for a whole day. I ain't saying they're bad for deeeight, or for shop owners, but for me they are damn useless. They aren't as fast as. 29ers and they are not as playful as 26ers. It felt like a 26er on prozac. I want to roll over rough crap and it chatters, I wanna pop it and it stays down. I wanna step hard on it and it slips like 26er. Cornering grip is the only treat you get if you rode other wheel sizes. I sell all sorts of shit but I don't necessarily buy it for myself. Wanna be a sheep - I'll sell you some grass to shave your ass off! I don't give a shit 'bout bigots or haters, as they buy one thing and fk off. I want curious, open minded clients. That's all I'm sayin', In surfing business since 6 years
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 is it me, or is everyone saying that the smaller the wheel, the better then?
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 I'm sorry, but I didn't see him actually hit a true rock garden in there anywhere.. so I'm not so sure the problem truly is solved...

26" for life! Smile
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 29"ers are like:
1.go to a doctor
2.he looks at your balls
3.doctor:"oohh...you need 200 HP at least!!"
4.you: "niiiiiccceeee"


gnarly...
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 What does arguing 29" wheels are better have in common with the Special Olympics?

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 Nothing wrong with 29'ers, but trying to make out like they are making up for a 26" wheel is pretty funny. 1.37, looks like he is on a bloody road bike!!
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 My gaad! That 29er is going down the most insanely extreme gnarl I have every seen! Remember the time when 26" wheels weren't obsolete yet? We would get stalled and OTB when we hit pebbles on smooth trails riding those POSs.
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 /sarcasm folks
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 its ok, i saw the sarcasm.
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 Absolutely class video! can't beat a hardtail for tearing round, 26" rules tho.
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 Come ride in Pennsylvania , then you will see some rocks
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 Rothrock??? There's a rothrock car dealer right near my house ..
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 I refuse to buy or even try a 29er. The wheels are big and ugly and belong on road bikes. Its making me f#'king puke how all the magazines and manufacturers and trying to stuff 29ers and now 27.5 down your throat. You cant buy a magazine any more if you ride a 26 inch bike cause 90 percent of the shit in it is 29er shite.
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 Get off the trails if you don't like bumps,wanna go quick n smooth? Get a road bike and get on the damn road.
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 29'ers suck! Go away!
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 clearly the voice of someone who has never rode one.
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 or ridden one !
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 I see what they did there..
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 Woooo hardtails Smile
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 Nice vid joe and sick riding swinny, don't fancy dropping in with a cotic frame at jejames chessy do you joe? Haven't got time to pop up to hope at the moment
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 i could see like a guy thats 6 foot 6 riding 29 but still if i was that tall i would just go with 650b!
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 I imagine a 26" with some awesomely wide 3.0" wide tires would be much better then a 29er.
Stonger, look better, more versatile. Sure it would be heavier, but everybody hates weight weenies right?
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 WHERE WAS THIS SO CALLED ROCK GARDEN?
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 Ok where was the rock garden and why won't it hold the line ???? Lol
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 that must be the first playful 29er I've ever seen. I'm in the process of building a seventh bike right now and guess what! its not a 29er.
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 Maybe hardtail DH is the future, lol, considering Aaron seems to do so well with very stiff suspension.
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 That's right, the video is great but a shame that the bike is not a 26 ".It is possible that even with the Cotic redo the Soul?
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 quality vid from yorkshiremen.peak district rule....but i wont be ridin a 29'.....26' all the way!
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 29ers smooth the trail and glide over bumps..... ..and crash into entirely new bumps that the 26er rolls through. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
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 Is that hamsterly forest? Looks like fun. Sod the bloody wheel size row each to their own u say
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 If you came to Pinkbike to hide from innovation, your'e doing it wrong.
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 I actually fell asleep watching this....
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 What tune is featured Qin this cotic vid?
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 26's fit on a Chevy.... 29's don't. End of wheel size argument. Lol
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 you can tell this is good advertising, cause i now want one.
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 He rides the bike like a 26 inch bike!
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 James Swind, what a sick rider man! All the Cotic videos are fun to watch!
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 even though its a 29er, you have to admit that dude can fucking rip!
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 You can ride downhill on a BMX bike if you want, or 29er hard tail for that matter, but please move aside as my 26er full suspension bike comes screaming past you.
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 Wheel size + balls size = Constant.
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 i get what you did there... math joke
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 What chain tensioner is he using??
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 I'm safe inside my mind.
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 It's not the size that matters, but how you use it
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 I wonder how many of you have actually tried a 29er !! just saying...
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 I own one. Nice XC race hardtail. Would not buy another 26" XC hardtail. Rode my big bike with 650b on a borrowed wheelset (and 12mm less travel, it is convertible), could not care.
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 I'm sure by now most serous riders have tried 29er. I used to ride 29ers when I lived in the desert. Now that I'm in southern California I've swapped all of my 29ers for 26in wheels. My 29in wheels felt like an out of control semi truck compared to sports car feel of the 26in wheel. Wheel size is very personal to the rider and style of trails they choose to ride.
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 29" LED Bravia Engine..hahaha...but nice riding
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 haha, is this a joke
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 Looks good....saving my money for a 32er though.
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 Hardtails do nothing for me.
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 After much deliberation and careful analysis I can only find one thing wrong with this bike .... the wheel size !!!
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 XC 29ers nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 I guess he really found the cure!
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 Robs got Norbsed!!!
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 Looked like a sweet vid until i saw it was a 29er.. no interest in watching it now.
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 big wheels? no thanks.
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 29ers are like rollerblades
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 fruitboots and 29ers have nothing in commmon. U R just mad cause u cant keep up with the bigger wheels. up and down
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 Big wheelers are compensating.
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 And if we go for a beer ?
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 No MY tire size is better, no MYYYY tire size is better!
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 haha that was awsome.
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 so ugly. i don't ride hardtails
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