First Look: e*thirteen, BH and Manitou - Eurobike 2015

Aug 27, 2015
by Mike Levy  
Eurobike 2015


e*thirteen's New Cassette and Carbon Wheels

The novel two-piece cassette from e*thirteen that we showed you from Sea Otter is now ready for production, with the first ones to be available this October with an MSRP of $300 USD. The final version of the cassette, which has had its name changed to TRS to fit into the rest of the company's lineup, will be available in both 10 and 11 speed versions, both of which will only fit on XD driver bodies. That means that those who use an 11 speed SRAM drivetrain won't be locked into that many cogs, now having the option to run a 10 speed cassette if they so choose. The 10 speed version features a 9 - 42 tooth spread, so you won't be losing any overall range but actually gaining some on the top-end, while the 11 speed model will run a wider range 9 - 44 spread.


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The TRS cassette is now ready for production. See that tiny detent ball on the smallest aluminum cog?
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It mates with the small groove cut into the back of the largest steel cog, helping the two separate pieces to stay together.


To install the cassette, you first slide on the aluminum two cog (for 10 speed) or three cog (for 11 speed) one-piece unit, then snug down the low profile lockring onto the XD driver body with the same wrench that you'd grab to tighten the company's direct-mount chain rings. Then the steel cluster of cogs is placed over top and turned to the right to engage the interlocking feet into the keyed sections on the aluminum unit. Testing has shown e*thirteen that a second locking mechanism was needed, though, and the production version of the TRS cassette now sports a steel detent ball on the aluminum unit that slides and locks into place on the back of the steel section.

Interestingly, e*thirteen says that using the very same one-piece steel unit with eight smaller cogs for both the 10 and 11 speed cassettes presents zero issues, and that the only difference between the two will be that the 10 speed model will ship with a one-piece, two cog upper unit, while the 11 speed cassette will use a one-piece, three cog upper unit. They will also offer both separately, meaning that you can replace just the worn out section of your cassette.



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New carbon fiber wheels from e*thirteen.
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They say that the 27mm width is the ideal dimension for a lot of riding.


e*thirteen has long had aluminum wheels in their lineup, but they're expanding the range to include these TRS Race carbon offerings that will be available soon. They explained that they tested all sorts of carbon rims that are on the market and that one of their goals was to avoid producing a rim that was too stiff, both for comfort and reliability reasons. The final shape, which is 27mm wide internally, is claimed to offer a better feel on the trail than wider and taller rims, and it also features a hookless bead design. Both complete wheels and rim-only options will be available, and the 27.5" wheelset is said to weigh 1,690 grams.





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A French Racer's Spanish Bike

Ex World Cup racer Karim Amour's BH Lynx 6 Carbon was front and center in the Spanish company's booth, not that anyone could miss the bright blue and neon yellow bike to begin with. The 150mm travel bike has been built up to the French racer's preferences, with Suntour's Durolux fork is up front and an EXT Storia shock out back (more on that below), as well as four piston Magura brakes to slow him down. A set of Michelin tires are mounted onto unlabelled carbon rims - any guess as to what they are? Karim also seems to be the kind of rider who doesn't give a shit what people think - note the very moto-esque hand guards that he's attached to the front of his bike. Function before fashion, right?


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Karim's EXT Storia shock.
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Maybe the trees are really tight on Karim's local trails?


One of the more interesting things on Karim's bike is the EXT Storia shock that he runs. EXT says that 27.5'' and 26'' wheels produce different frequencies due to how each one reacts slightly differently to the terrain, and that they offer wheel size-specific tunes for this very reason. Yes, you read that correctly: there is a 27.5" shock tune and a 26" wheel shock tune. Thoughts on that aside, EXT are doing things very differently than what we've come to expect with the mass produced (and good performing) shocks that are on the market: their Storia and Arma shocks are rather simple when it comes to adjustments because they are built specifically for you and your bike. That means that there doesn't need to be a massive range of damper adjustment that would otherwise be required because the company doesn't know if you weigh 100lb or 300lb, which then limits the chance of the rider ending up with a completely wonky setup that's out to lunch. You're left to fiddle with relatively few clicks of low- and high-speed compression, and rebound.

Internally, the piggyback is charged to just 30 PSI, which can be hundreds less than what the competition uses. This should mean that there's very little breakaway force required to get the shock moving, although it isn't clear how such low back pressure on the IFP helps to prevent cavitation of the damping oil. Certain lengths of the shock can also be fitted with a hydraulic bottom out system to help keep you from smashing into the end of your travel.






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Manitou's Suspension Upgrades and Tools

Who doesn't like a good cutaway? Manitou had one of their McLeod shocks cut in half for the show, a trick that makes it easy to see exactly what's going on inside of the damper. It also allows you to see the extra air volume that Manitou's new King Can provides over the stock air can. This does two things: it could be used to create a more linear suspension rate, or you can add Manitou's volume spacers if you want to fine tune the shock's progression more precisely. Installing the King Can is a simple simple job that anyone should be able to master, and it retails for $99.99 USD.

Manitou also told me about a new MRD upgrade for their Dorado downhill fork that allows riders to easy bleed off built up air pressure that can accumulate after doing a lot of riding. The $119.99 USD TSR system consists of replacement top caps with built-on air bleed buttons that require only a quick push to release unwanted pressure that can make your fork feel less than idea. The opposite end of the fork can be fitted with their $99.99 USD Infinite Rate Tuning (IRT) kit that consists of an air-backed piston that can be used to independently control the amount of mid-stroke support - adding air increases support, letting it out deceases it. Further tuning is possible by adding oil to reduce the volume and provide more ramp in the later stages of the stroke, and Manitou says that you can use the IRT system to up the mid-stroke support but than decrease main air spring pressure in order to allow for even better suppleness off the top. Plenty of options if you're a Dorado owner.


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Don't like the QR lever on Manitou's 15mm HexLock thru axle? They now offer a replacement thru-axle that requires a hex key.
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There's plenty of aftermarket upgrade options for the Dorado.


Manitou isn't shy about people letting people inside of their forks and shocks, and they even offer the tools to do it. I'll admit that I'm a bit of a tool glutton, so Manitou's lineup of Shock Tool system devices gets me more excited than any new 27.5+ bike would ever be able to. Their Gas Charge Tool is likely only ever going to be used by a good, full-service shop that knows their suspension, with it allowing them to quickly and safely charge rear shocks to a high pressure while the jig holds it in place. Manitou didn't have an exact price for the Gas Charge Tool, but they did admit that it's expensive enough to only really make sense for a bike shop to use. The Oil Bleed Tool might look like some sort of self defence weapon, but it's actually designed to make bleeding the air out of rear shocks a fool proof job. It simply draws out the air, replacing it with oil and ensuring that the bleed is as good as it could ever be.


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The Gas Charge Tool makes re-charging shocks a quick and safe job.
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Manitou's Oil Bleed Tool should make removing all the air out of your shock an easy task.


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140 Comments
  • 73 5
 YES!!! E thirteen (of all companies) is the first to do it. 9-42 ten speed. I don't care that its expensive, that is awesome. Hope they sell well so they could make a trickled down cheaper version.
  • 7 6
 tru dat bruh
  • 8 2
 Why didn't SRAM go down to 9 again? I remember them mentioning that it was possible, but I don't remember their reasoning behind not doing it.
  • 7 35
flag ibishreddin (Aug 27, 2015 at 17:44) (Below Threshold)
 google.com
  • 53 7
 What is the point of a 9-42 10 speed if you still need a XD driver?
  • 21 2
 I was really excited about the cassette, the range is great. However, $300 is nuts. I can get a SRAM GX 11-speed derailleur, shifter, and cassette for that much.
  • 26 3
 9 has two problems. Really fast wear and too much drivetrain friction.
  • 9 2
 @theoriginaltwotone so you don't have to buy 11 speed derailleurs
  • 15 1
 @hllclmbr That is absolutely the reason why Sram didn't. Plus at the single digit tooth counts, it begins to stop feeling like a circle and starts feeling more like a polygon instead. I would much rather see a 44T instead of a 9T.
  • 5 6
 @hllclmbr 9 lasts plenty long enough from my experience and too much drivetrain friction?
  • 5 0
 @jmstreem, as pointed out you can get a 1x11 set up for less or the same as that cassette, so again, what's the point?
  • 3 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone - the point is wider gear range... you can have the top end and the low end you want with a 1x setup. For most, SRAM 1x11 is enough, but this provides 488% gear range while SRAM is "only" 420%.
  • 10 0
 You could buy a 9-42 10 speed cassette for $300 plus the price of an XD driver, or you could buy a whole XT 11 speed drivetrain with a 10-45 cassette from OneUp for the same price.
  • 12 2
 On a 9t, only about three teeth are fully meshed with the chain. That's a big load to bear. Plus the polygon and wear issues. I still think new XT, 11-42 is the way forward still, for me at least. I don't like climbing and honestly if I needed to turn 32x42, it would be easier and quicker to get off and walk. But that is just my humble opinion. Obviously there is a market for these massive spreads or they wouldn't make them. Would they? ***cough 650b*** cough...
  • 3 2
 From what I understood the 10 speed cassette is just an 11 speed system minus one cog i.e. still needs an 11 speed chain, deraileur, shifter and of course the XD driver to work! So it isn't a large range cassette which you can just pop on to replace your old 10 speed cassette...
  • 2 1
 cassette WEIGHT??!!
  • 2 0
 Proprietary tool Frown Would otherwise be perfect! Well ok, it's VERY expensive.
  • 5 0
 what about shimano's 11speed? as far as i know it fits to a standard 10speed hub aswell and the price is really ok.
the XT at least.
just saw your comment @jaame i agree Wink
  • 3 1
 @jaame - Are you out of your mind? 32x42 @ 90rpm is 6mph (on a 29er anyway, 5.6mph on 650b). You are not going to be walking at 6mph.
  • 3 0
 Both bmx and street/dirt bmx often use micro drive, which is very often with a 9t rear. I rode a 9t in the back for 2 years myself and didnt have any problems with it.

But I didn't have a derailleur or chain tensioner, just a normal single speed drive train. I could see the derailleur effecting things though.
  • 2 0
 And don´t hear about PRAXIS WORKS??? the have a 10 speed cassette that is 11-42 for only 130 USD....
  • 1 0
 @DandelionDan does the oneUp cassette need an XD hub?
  • 2 0
 Nope!
  • 2 0
 @mattin with a derailleur the chain is only wrapped around a half of the cog instead three quarters of it with a single speed setup.
  • 1 0
 Good point @SintraFreeride. If 10 and 11 speed chains are not the same then spacing between cogs is not the same. So how could it be that you could turn your 10sp into an 11sp. by just swapping the aluminum bits.
But it does not make any sens to use your 11 speed drivetrain with a 10 cogs cassette. Does anybody understand that?
  • 1 0
 @EnduroManiac and @SintraFreeride

11-speed and 10-speed cassettes have to work in the same amount of space because of this, the space between the cogs decreases by 10%. You also have to match the cassette spacing with the shift indexing so that the derailleur moves the same distance per shift as the cassette cog spacing.

So how are E13 able to switch between 10 and 11 speed cassettes using some of the same parts? They can't unless they sacrifice shift quality.
  • 1 0
 They are the same spacing, probably. The exact same except one less cog, and a spacer on the end to make it fit properly on the hub
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez @DandelionDan At least one site I saw says that the One-up cassette dosen't use a standard 8/9/10/11-speed freehub, or an XD one, but a completely proprietary one of their own design. www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/PIT-BITS-New-Products-and-Prototypes-at-Crankworx-Whistler,9274/Prototype-10-45-Tooth-Cassette-and-Chainguide-from-OneUp,95735/bturman,109
  • 1 0
 Another question: what would be more of a comprimse in shifting; a 45t adapter cog on an XT cassette (with XTshifting, of course), or this 42-10t cassette with XT shifting?
  • 1 0
 The spacing for 8, 9, 10, 11 speed cassette is the shame yes. However, if e13 replace the top 3 gears for a spacer and 2 gears to go from 11 to 10 speeds whilst keeping the same 8 speed bottom block that implies that you need a 11 speed shifter, 11 speed chain and 11 speed deraileur (with the high screw tighten to limit the deraileur to 10 cogs). My question then is: why do this? So you can get to the top cog one shift faster?
  • 1 0
 11 speed cassettes are dished in towards the spokes. so they actually take up more length than the freehub at the teeth. The spacing between 10 & 11 speeds isn't terribly different.
  • 1 0
 Not true. 10 speed cassettes (both Sram and Shimano) have 3.95mm spacing between cogs. 11 speed (again, both manufacturers' mountain stuff) it's spaced 3.90mm. It's only 1.28% different.

11 speed road is spaced slightly differently than 11 speed mountain.
  • 1 0
 Isn't that what I said?(albeit without supporting numbers, thanks for that.)
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I replied to the wrong person. Phone fail.
  • 1 0
 @Alias530 what about if I'm doing 70 revs on a 26"er? 4mph? Can I walk 4mph? How fast do people walk anyway? People run at 8, so is walking half as fast as running?
  • 1 0
 @hab19 it happens. Razz
  • 2 0
 @jaame - yeah a little over 4mph. Guarantee you aren't walking, while pushing a bike up a steep enough hill to have to walk, at 4mph though. Maybe 2-3mph...

Do you have a Garmin? Next time you're walking up something so steep you can't ride it, start a new lap and end it at the top of the hill. I'll bet your average is below 3mph.
  • 1 0
 Well thanks for that info. It's food for thought.
  • 1 1
 Leonardi factory has been making 9-42 for some time now. It even seems like e*13 are copying them, from the outside their new cassettes is almost identical to the general lee even in colors.
  • 62 17
 650b specific shock tuning? Go f**k yourself...
  • 44 3
 It doesn't get any more enduro than that
  • 24 6
 Hey, bro? Wanna switch bikes for a lap or two?

Naah, dude. You weight 3 pounds more than me, so the shock's not gonna work.
  • 20 2
 Say what you want, but Extreme Racing Shox (EXT) are like Ă–hlins in that they are in a different realm of damping compared to the others. Handling suspension needs for F-1, Le Mans, Moto GP, rally, motocross, 4x4 off road, etc they know what they are talking about and have tested more variables than the vast majority of mountain bike suspension suppliers. If they make a claim, there is a legit reason why. And it ain't cheap either.
  • 4 2
 and no 29er tuning mentioned... too bad
  • 3 0
 Right said ka-brap..know personally the owner and engineer of EXT..tried an Arma shock..and can guarantee that you won't come back from it..simply another story.. Take a look at thei shox..they're work of art..at prices not so different than mass production shox..
  • 16 0
 Been waiting for the MRD dorado air bleed upgrade for years!
  • 1 1
 Hell yeah!!
  • 1 0
 So are they available now. Ball ache job having to unscrew the top cap every ride. I need some of them now Smile
  • 1 2
 Shit, it only took manitou (hayes) 6 years to address that issue...Fail
  • 1 0
 ...and you would actually dish out 120 bucks for vent caps?? You people are crazy!
  • 16 1
 Those BH bikes look sick!!
  • 2 1
 The front bike in the pic is one of the nicest looking bikes I've seen in ages. Hadn't heard of BH before, but will certainly be checking them out. Digging the hand guards too. Over grown trails smashed the crap out of my knuckles last weekend. Left index finger still isn't right.
  • 1 0
 Their XC race hardtail is GORGEOUS, but this is the first full sus I've seen from them. Wonder when they're gonna make a competitive FS XC race bike. They have some good WC XC riders, but they all had to ride hardtails all season, which was a huge disadvantage on those courses. But yeah. All their stuff looks sooooooo sleek. Plus they rock a lot of Suntour suspension, which I'm a huge fan of. I was hoping 2016 would be the year I'd see a lot of Aurons and Epicons on new bikes, but so far not so much.
  • 1 0
 bullshit suspension design that frame is a complete copy of everything trek has on their bikes. the pivot being in the axle, the full floater, the spacing. at least try to design something new to be proud of it..
  • 11 0
 The cassette is awsome untill oneup drops there 10-45 standard hub compatable.
  • 3 0
 Are they working on that? I would purchase the shit out of a standard hub cassette with a 10t cog.
  • 1 0
 My understanding is they are it was in a pikebike article. Not to long ago. It would be a shimano drivetrain i believe. I think the days of running sram cassettes and shomano derailleurs and the other way around are over. Think this cassette will be worth the high price tag.
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/news/spotted-oneup-prototypes-crankworx-whistler-2015.html




I guess we will see what happens? i don't thinking i will but a new wheel set unless raceface makes a hub for my wheels. but looking at the photo on pink. The cassette is already on my wheelset!
  • 1 0
 The Vital article says a bunch of manufacturers are already on board with this new freehub standard, but I'd really like @one-up to clear up the confusion, as each article seem pretty confident.
  • 1 0
 Id rather it just be a xd driver then a new one. That way you still have options for a sram 11speed or a shomano with the oneup cassettes.
  • 1 0
 I agree, as the methods to make a 10t fit on a standard freehub body aren't great, IMO. I've been using the same freehub body style for the last 2 decades, I'm willing to capitulate on this change, we're due. SRAM released XD in good faith, royalty free, I can't really ask more of them than that.
  • 1 0
 im currently in the process from switching from my 1x10+ 42t to a 1x11 with the 45t expander.
  • 11 0
 Where's the Banshee Rune?.........Show Me The Banshee!
  • 1 0
 have you seen some of the sneaky shots on mtbr.com? us banshee fanboyz kind of know what to expect but still dying to get the official word
  • 1 0
 Would be interested to know the geomentry differences as when i bough mine i ordered a large when should be on meidium (for my own forward geomenty style bike). Not sure i like the new colours yet
  • 1 0
 I love the first rune color. Also the seat tube angle is only thing really bothering me on my rune, it just feels too long going uphill with seatpost all the way up and I have seat pushed as forward as possible...
  • 3 0
 Even with a rad cage I can only just get enough chain rap to avoid skipping with a 11t, can't see 9t working out to well, and that's with my jelly legs. Bet it weighs more than a regular extender conversion, plus it just doesn't add up money wise. Think one up has nothing to worry about from e13.
  • 2 0
 I remember an article on the EXT shocks a year or two ago; they claim that internal oil pressures never exceed 27 psi, and that with their titanium springs they are almost competitive with air shocks on weight.

stendecworks.com/storia-extreme-shox
  • 6 0
 I like the stoya shock.
  • 3 0
 Sooo, will that shock take it, love it.. and beg for more?
  • 1 0
 Matt Savage hit the nail ont head!

Plus Cube have a deal with Manitou for OE forks/shocks here in the UK atleast.

I have yet to see a set of modern manitous but saw a set of orange magnums on a retro orange r8 other week.
I had a set of xverts once in retro yellow which were noice but flexy a tad.

I'm prob gonna upgrade my 32mm flexyfoxes for mattocs and if theyre anything to go by then dorados for a future bigrig.
Forget heavy dvo things even if they are in my fav colour. ;-d

Rs can go schwivel - always faults out the box, fox nahhhhh just because there everywhere and I'm too niche for that ("aint nobody got time for that")
40's are like cutting thru soft butter which i liked.
Bos would have my money again if I could justify the huge outlay which I cannot getting bk into the dh game.

Marzocchi I loved bk in the 20th C but they kinda veered off the path for me with their 4x model which never felt right , truth be told they were a biatch to set up nicely.
  • 7 3
 I've gotta get me a set of those BH hand protectors!!!
  • 3 0
 Now that's Enduro, lol!
  • 1 0
 I could have used them a few years back when I hit a cactus!! Till this day the dame cactus is still in my finger :/
  • 3 1
 Yep, not to brag but I actually had though about using moto ones in my bike a while back, but they were way different so I never got to. glad someone else finally thought about it, though.

And if anyone thinks hand guards are for "tight trees", I guess they probably never rode much out in the wilderness beyond carefully maintained bikeparks, so never got to get "acquainted" with thorny outgrowing branches, etc. on their path before...
  • 3 0
 Several french racers were using them at this years Megavalanche. Very Enduro!
  • 1 0
 Those hand guards would reduce prickly encounters with gorse around here.
  • 1 0
 Agree with you on that one! I still have gorse in my pinky from 8 months ago!
  • 10 6
 Manitou is still a thing?
  • 8 2
 I was thinking that... I've not seen a set of manitou forks in real life for close to ten years now. How there still going and marzochi have gone bust is beyond me.
  • 9 0
 The Dorado is pretty popular here on the East Coast of the US, one look at the east coast race reports here on pbike and its pretty evident. I never see newer Marzo's over here, only older stuff. Kinda funny how different regions of the world can gravitate towards certain products.
  • 5 0
 I see a fair number of dorados at the parks in CO. Mattoc has gotten excellent reviews, and their other forks show up on budget builds.
  • 2 0
 I've never seen a X-Fusion fork or shock on any bikes out on the trails, how they are still going strong while I still see Marz Bombers, 55s and 380s out on the bike parks is a serious mystery to me...
  • 6 0
 The Dorado is pretty popular here in SoCal also. I know there are a ton of them in Whistler as well. I love my mattoc as well. The Bergamont WC DH team are on Dorados. Also, the new Magnum fork is equipped OE on one of the new Trek bikes. They certainly aren't as big as the big guys, but you'd have to be living with your head under the proverbial rock to not have seen them in years.
  • 2 0
 Nearly all the 2015 Vitus MTBs run either Manitou (budget models) or Marzocchi (mid-high end) forks, and Vitus sell like hotcakes here in NI.
  • 1 2
 Literally nobody's seen or herd from manitou since the 2007 around here. You don't see them in bike shops or on the trails.
  • 2 0
 I run a set of dorados in the UK ;-)
  • 4 0
 After getting a Dorado for the DH rig 2 seasons ago I have embraced Manitou with open arms. I then replaced a blown shock with a Revox. Then I built up my trail bike with the Mattoc. Very happy with my decisions on all three accounts. Manitou is putting out some quality suspension products these days... I do however think they are lacking on the marketing & race team support to make that evident.
  • 3 0
 I love Manitou. They have tweakable forks, i made my 130mm manitou circus to ride trails by switching the spring and adjusting the shim stack. They have awesome dampers.
  • 1 0
 i couldn't ride dorados I scratch the lowers on my forks way to much to even consider upside down forks but I'm glad manitiou are still going strong in certain places in the world and people are still pumped about there products.
  • 3 0
 Seriously? I'll take a Mattoc and Dorado over any Fox or RS ANYDAY!

They're rarely seen because they left the OE market and have exclusive distributorship with select vendors, though any shop can call up and order. Best forks on the market. Try convincing Fox to put together a tuning kit and charts for you to exeriment with...
  • 1 0
 @mattsavage Amen brutha!
  • 3 0
 Those bleed kits for Dorado are sweet.....I'm in
  • 3 0
 E thirteen is insane $300!!
  • 1 0
 Maybe some people don't view cassettes as consumables. Next thing will be platinum e13 brake pads for $300 a set.
  • 2 0
 Most people who buy these don't use their bikes that much. That's the secret for durability,you know.
  • 4 0
 Thank you Manitou....
  • 2 0
 Where can we buy the new top cap for the darados. I need them in my life. Had a look on the net but couldn't find nothing
  • 2 0
 ...couldnt find anything Wink
  • 2 0
 How long before we see a new chain standard with shorter links in order to better accommodate rings of 10t and below?
  • 1 0
 A change that i would welcome Smile
  • 3 1
 9-44......should be able pedal up Whitney now.
  • 2 0
 The cost of the SRAM 11 speed cassette is the problem, not the gear range.
  • 1 0
 Really? GX is pretty damn affordable. I was amazed to see how cheap i could get a whole GX drivetrain for... but then I remembered I'd need a new hub.
  • 1 0
 But gx might be a total weight killer. Im not a weght wennie. But if you add it up you could be adding up to a pound or more. Those grams add up quickly. It carzy. We have carbon rigs that weight more them aluminum.
  • 1 0
 Huh? The whole group is like a half pound more than XX1, IIRC. And obviously even less than that for X1.

If a GX carbon bike is heavier than an Al bike it's probably because a GX build is bound to have wheels, fork, bars, post, stem, etc etc also at the GX price point. Nobody buys a Deore bike and expects it to weigh the same as an XT bike. But the drivetrain itself is rarely the biggest portion of the weight difference, I would think.
  • 1 0
 completely agree. half a pound can add up. but say our currently running 10speed xtr? or xt going to a dx driver with full pinned gx could be adding that extra weight. kinda like have a 32lb carbon spartan, yes it can be light with a wheel set and what not, but for a high end "Budget build" carbon xp bike. ( i use the word "budget" in the loosest terms possible) it would suck to go from a 2x10 for a heavier 1x11 ( which im sure is not that common.)
  • 1 0
 I don't see how you could realistically go from a 2x10 to a heavier 1x11 with GX. Even if we assume starting off with XTR:

- Ditch FD, FS, chainring, cable, and housing (-275g approx)
- Swap from XTR 11-36 to GX 10-42 (+140g)
- Swap XTR RD for GX RD (+44g)
- Swap XTR RS for GX RS (+4g)

So even switching from XTR 2x10 to GX with the full steel cassette, you're still not gaining weight. Not sure how the XD driver affects the weight, but it seems like a conversion would be a wash at worst.

But the original statement was about the cost of the SRAM 11sp cassettes. I'm just saying GX is a totally viable low cost option. And let's face it: if you already have XTR on your bike, you're not going to mind dropping $250 for the lighter 11sp cassette. But for the rest of us who are running cost-conscious SLX and X7 kit the GX move would probably still be a nice weight savings. Not that I'd make the jump, I actually like my 2x10.

FWIW, SRAM has a lighter GX full pin cassette on their website with a mix of steel and aluminum cogs on it. I can't find it on sale anywhere, but it's significantly lighter than the current GX.
  • 1 0
 I will just get this one for $130 and no XD driver needed. www.praxiscycles.com/product/cassette
  • 2 0
 Thanks Manitou! You da best!
  • 3 2
 is it just me or does that EXT shock look really small
  • 2 0
 its a trail bike sized coil shock. A DH bike size would look normal
  • 1 0
 Yea true, the coil just looks really short. Probably just me
  • 1 0
 spring IS short. it's a special alloy spring, not regular steel
  • 1 0
 Just love what mountain biking is coming to ......
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 Karim!!!!! Awe you suck Karim!!!
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 Who in the universe wants 3 aluminum cogs on a cassette? This is madness.
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 pretty much every cassette above alivio level has aluminium cogs for the biggest 3 cogs
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 @CreberFilms, you're wrong. Only 11speed cassettes introduced alu cogs. Don't confuse cogs with carriers.
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 @Legalaze Just done a bit of research and it appears your right! Think I got mixed up with str having some Ti cogs haha
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 what model suntour forks are on the bh bike?
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 The article says the were Durolux's
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 I assumed it was an Auron.... but I think Durolux is only in 26". So that's interesting.

Liking the new fork decals. Looks cool.
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 sooo, is the bike 26' or are they finally making 650b Durolux?
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 @BornToGo the bike is 27.5, you can read the front tire. You can also see an X at the end of the name on the non-driveside fork leg on the inside sticker. I hope Suntour comes out with more awesome products, I love my Epicon.
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 Hey Pinkbike, how about some details on that 2016 Durolux?
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 ten and eleven speed cassettes have the same spacing between cogs???????
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 Show us the Marzocchi boot!!!
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 hahaha a 650B tuned shock? screw you marketing companies
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 Wheelsize specific suspension tuning lol. So innovative so win
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 BH bike for the win
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 I got to say it..... BH looks like a trek! Session 88 without DH forks.
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 somebody had to say it ha ha
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