Opinion: Sharing Secret Trails

Mar 5, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  
Spinning Circles column Mike Kazimer

Facebook currently has somewhere around 1.23 billion users. Billion. Keep in mind that the current world population is sitting just shy of 7 billion and that number begins to seem even more astronomical. And then there's Instagram, with 300 million users, a number that's especially impressive considering that the app is less than five years old. Given the pervasiveness of social media, it's easier than ever to get ensnared in the web of electronic sharing. Before long, you're so tied into a buzzing party line full of selfies, puppy pictures, and sunsets that it becomes second nature to send out a photo to the world seconds after snapping it, complete with irreverent hashtags, an artsy filter, and the coordinates of where the picture was taken. However, when it comes to revealing mountain bike trail locations, there is a strong case to be made against divulging too much information, and to take a little extra time to before clicking the 'share' button.

If you're at the local Starbucks or a sleazy little dive bar, tagging the exact spot a photo was taken isn't a big deal, and the same goes with a well publicized riding destination – somewhere like Moab's Slickrock trail, or anywhere in the Whistler Bike Park for instance. In those places, by all means, share away to your heart's content. But when you're visiting a new riding zone, or even venturing into unknown territory in your own neck of the woods, it's crucial to be respectful when it comes to showing off a fresh trail, especially if there's a chance it isn't completely sanctioned. There's probably a good reason it was tricky to find, and chances are the builder wouldn't exactly be overjoyed to find out that the existence of his or her hidden gem, a steep ribbon of freshly tilled earth winding through an incredible forest, twisting and turning exactly where it should – in short, the stuff of dreams – has been announced to the world.

If you absolutely can't keep your phone in your pack, at the very least make up a code name for the trail, pretend you're in a different country – whatever it takes to keep it flying under the radar for as long as possible. Sure, there's a sense of satisfaction that comes with finding a secret line, the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and you're probably eager to let the world know you've been out in the woods channeling your inner Lewis and Clark, but as soon as that ride gets posted on Strava, or hashtagged with the trail name, the secret's up, and it's not going to be long before the fresh loam is gone, replaced with a rutted and blown out trench that looks like it underwent a week-long mortar attack.

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Location:60.0000° N, 105.0000° E

“But I'm just spreading the stoke. Don't you want the sport to grow? More mountain bikers is a good thing.” You can spread the stoke all you want, but there's not always a need to leave a trail of digital breadcrumbs to the trail that has you so amped up. Think about it this way - would you rather go to Disney World and have the place all to yourself, or wait in line for hours just to ride the spinning teacups? I know what I would choose. Part of mountain biking's appeal is that it's a means of escaping traffic jams and crowded public places, a way to enjoy solitude, or the company of a few close friends, rather than being trapped in a queue of sweaty strangers.

There are plenty of resources available that make finding some of the best trails in any given area easier than ever, but just like you wouldn't expect to find all the powder stashes explicitly marked on a ski area trail map, there's no reason to think that every single mountain bike trail needs to be revealed on the internet. Stop by a local bike shop and talk to the mechanics, or chat with riders at the trailhead – it's living, breathing people that will have the knowledge and the ability to direct you to those unmarked treasures, and the best way to show your gratitude is to respect the local etiquette as to whether or not that sweet sliver of singletrack should be public knowledge. I'd much rather live in a world where there are still a few secrets, spots on the map that say “Here be dragons” instead of one where everything has been discovered.

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  • 126 4
 Some of you may have missed the point, but trails that may not be completely legal, (built somewhere not necessarily public), should never be shared on the Internet. If you were lucky enough to be shown them, keep it to yourself so that the trails can live on...
  • 20 0
 Exactly!

Also often when builder(s) of secret local spots realise you have been going there for a while with out shouting about the place or bringing large amount of different riders every week they will be much more likely to show you other spots they have , or other secret trails made by other people in the circle.
  • 35 2
 Death to Strava!! Ohh wait, that means ill lose my KOM's...damn it!!!!
  • 11 1
 @enduroelite , and also with less people at the trails with your KOM's there is less chance of you been seen taking ' spirirt of Enduro ' lines to keep your title , keeping you looking much faster than you really are Wink
  • 15 1
 “Don’t go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path…and leave a trail” -Ralph Waldo Emerson
  • 5 1
 That's why all my entourage think i never ride:i'm pretty much spend all the time on secret trails,never post one photo,video or even talk about it except except close friends(who ride with me) or close family!Also some local people are aware but we are respectful as much as we can with the place and nobody disturb us except 1/2 yokel's a*sholes who leave their waste on the trails or give kicks in jumps and berms!
Discretion is the durability's key for a secret trail!
  • 16 47
flag Jimmy0 FL (Mar 5, 2015 at 15:16) (Below Threshold)
 What's so bad about rutted blown up trails that look like they've been mortared for a week? Sounds like a dh trail. If it's illegal/someone's own private secret spot they built on their own property, don't tell. Otherwise, get the word out, trails were meant to be ridden.
  • 12 1
 See? Lots of people think like Jimmy0
  • 4 0
 Someone has to ride it!
  • 9 17
flag Jimmy0 FL (Mar 5, 2015 at 18:23) (Below Threshold)
 that's what she said
  • 9 1
 Man Billyb, you hit a nerve. We have this local "tour guide" who is having people pay him to take them on all the local illegal trails around. It's bumming me out and to have someone making money off it just feels wrong. Lots of good reply's rolling here. Yea, showing up on Strava.
  • 4 1
 ya this story hits home,i had it made for 15 years,then some photo kit poser barney's found it,now its gone,don't hate u if you find it,i like to share my track,but low key is the word when you go to tell of your lucky find.NOW i got to start over,.I'VE been doing it since 1976 and its all good till its gone.
  • 2 5
 I'm just going to say it.. All Guides for EVERYTHING are sooooo lame, except that one in Tarkovsky's "Сталкер".
  • 17 0
 I've built a cool trail once. it was 4 years ago. I've shared it. now there are a lot of jerks that tell me how to improve MY trail. even worse: they dig it without my permission. never gonna share again with anyone except my best friends
  • 8 3
 Jimmy0 = Chump0
  • 4 9
flag Jimmy0 FL (Mar 5, 2015 at 23:00) (Below Threshold)
 Comment of the year ^
  • 4 0
 I like meeting other riders on 'undisclosed trails' - I know that person has cut their teeth in exploration on their bike like me, I know that rider values a few meters of new gold than a few miles of trail asphalt, I know that s/he is driven by the spirit of adventure. When I meet people who only know how to ride by following a GPS or trail markers, I feel disappointed for them.
  • 2 0
 @eldragon..
its a touchy subject for sure, but many of us have had our local, secret spot show up on Pinkbike or Vital and its infuriating. I made a video of a roadtrip once and there was one tiny section of a secret trail in Oregon that someone was nice enough to show us.. someone else saw it and called me out. I promptly said I would remove the video, but he was ok with it, said no one would have any idea where it was. The point is, respect the locals trails and builders.
  • 2 0
 @enduroelite: hahaha 5 years later, and i can still agree!
  • 37 0
 I agree, if it's really good, keep it secret. Here's my story. There used to be a trail that was singletrack, lots of roots, fallen trees, and deadfall. It was very technical, and on a good day you could get from the top to bottom in just under 3 minutes. There were hairpin corners, you had to ollie over 3 foot logs, squeeze between trees barely wide enough to fit your shoulders. The only other people that I saw on the trail was the occasional hiker. Fast forward a few years and some "riders" found the trail. They didn't have the skills to ride singletrack or negotiate natural obstacles. They came in with shovels and saws. Cut down all the logs and deadfall in the trail. Even 3 inch high roots were too much, and they were cut. The singletrack corners turned into 3 foot wide berms. The hairpin corners were rerouted into wide dirt straightlines through untouched forest undergrowth. What used to take 3 minutes of concentration turned into 50 seconds of bermed Whistler green run. It was so boring that eventually these riders had to add jumps and gaps, and that got the attention of the parks board. So now it's closed down and completely fenced off. Scenic true singletrack turned into a really lame dirt-track by riders wanting smooth trails with "flow". Never again.
  • 12 0
 I like the idea that every 4-5 years we go in and cut down a dozen dead trees and make the trail unrideable. Let it breathe for a few years while we shralp some other section of dirt. Repeat. Older riders who came up before the bike park days remember how to enjoy natural trails. I like riding them all and try to vary my riding diet to include old gnar as well as fresh machine-cut berms. Not everything has to be a bike park trail.
  • 5 0
 It takes about 5 years for a trail to become fresh again just from the organics replenishing the surface duff. Unfortunately the lifetime for a decommissioned trail to stay decommissioned in a place as busy as Vancouver is about 3 years max. This is based on my experience at trying this method of rotating trail closures.
  • 3 0
 I have to say, I think you guys up in BC or PNW in general are really lucky because the dense forest makes trail building a lot easier. It's a lot harder to conceal a trail down here in the US Southwest where both the trail and any on-going building operations can easily be seen from the next ridge 5 miles away.
  • 32 10
 While i understand the authors viewpoints,I've always been of the opinion that every trail i ride was built/maintained by someone sometime, and if i'm not willing to share my work that kinda makes me a d!ck. It's definitely a bit of a balancing act in heavily populated areas and grey area legality to be sure though. No one wants to see something great destroyed by the ignorant masses. No easy answers here.
  • 15 2
 This article is about sharing other peoples' trails with the world. If you find a new zone, and build the first and only trail there, feel free to post it on pinkbike and instagram with the gps coordinates of the trailhead. Just don't be surprised to see it get overused, made riskier legally to ride, or plowed.
  • 8 2
 The point of the article is not about sharing or not sharing a trail. The point is written pretty clearly in the words above if you missed it.
  • 5 1
 I agree lunchbox, it definitely is a balancing act. I'm on the cusp of finishing a trail I've worked on, that among rider friends is referred to as "my" trail, I've always replied that not only is it not "my" trail, it is built on public land so it literally is everyone's trail, but also even if it was "my" trail, in 100 years when I'm dust, whose trail is it then? On the other hand, I do understand the need for restraint in advertising trail systems. Canada is a bit different than a lot of other countries in that so far local, provincial & federal governments mostly turn a blind eye to "illegal" trails & sharing with other users is usually not a huge issue...so far.
  • 6 2
 The "other people" are the one's i refer to in my first point. I think the real answer is to try and get people more involved in legitimizing and maintaining existing trails. The flipside is trails that don't see enough use often disappear to overgrowth and lack of maintenance. At least an overused trail was worth the work imo. But like i said, no easy answers. (Thankfully we don't have the legal repercussions you folk in CA do)
  • 2 0
 It's kind of a dilemma because I think a lot of us love mtb and want to get more people into it (and in the future more people will be into it because it's a growing sport, but I also really like pristine natural trails with no-one else on them. As the number of people on the trails grows, we'll probably need better trails building techniques so that they don't get cut up so easily, and more people to help maintain them. Also maybe building more trails so that the existing ones don't get overused.
  • 5 8
 MTN biking needs to use social media to expand it's reach/influence. If no one rides these trails, secret or otherwise, you can bet they will be taken away by the logging industry or housing developers...
  • 3 2
 @bigburd - I realize finer points were being made, I just chose to take on the bigger picture issue, à la the title of the article
  • 5 3
 The title does not say " sharing trails , yes or no ? " , the finer points as you call them are the main points.

Yes share , but share responsibly and respectfully , tell a mate or two maybe ( or dont ) , but don't go posting up vids or photos or even talk about a trail online that you have stumbled across that some one has put a lot of time and pain into with out knowing they are happy with it going viral.
  • 9 1
 First of all, if the trail is not on your own land, it's not yours, period. So, when you build a trail on someone else land, you automatically agree that any number of people may discover it and you really cannot prevent the riding it, it is very simple. Another thing is that the fear that millions of people will immediately start riding your secret trail is absolutely ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely admire people who build trails and in fact I envy them, because I would love to do it, but have zero time.
  • 4 0
 i learned very early on to forget what i see VERY quickly and i'll always buy a couple of rounds . simple. respect to the builder.
  • 13 1
 When a 'secret' unsanctioned trail gets discovered by non-riders and subsequently gets shut down, that just pisses everyone off. When an unsanctioned trail is shared, at least there is more support and a stronger reason to advocate for the trail to be made legal. I think the best option is to actually seek permission to build a trail from the relevant land owner and even get government support/funding assistance. The more we can show authorities that mountain biking is good for a community, the more trails we can build. More trails = less people per trail.
  • 7 4
 Seriously, isn't this the only real answer? Everyone else is just kidding themselves.
  • 3 2
 Yup.
  • 8 2
 And if they're in areas where there's zero chance they're ever going to become legal? Going to take a wild guess here and say you're not from the US.
  • 4 0
 definitely not from the uk
  • 3 1
 Not familiar with the UK, but the US has thousands of examples of people getting together and getting buy-in from the municipality or state for new legal trails. It's a lengthy process (like everything with government), but the end result is something that should last.

I've ridden tons of amazing illegal trails, and I love them (and wouldn't share most of them), but the fact is that illegal trails are like anything else that's illegal - love it while it lasts, but realise that it probably won't last forever. You can get mad at whoever let the word out by posting it on YouTube, but the fact is that it was set up for shit right from the start if it was an illegal trail.
  • 3 1
 @bishopsmike So you're saying you should either work with the local government to make a legal trail (that, if approved, would likely be designed with beginners in mind) or do nothing. Sounds like I should get into XC riding if that's the case.

Sure nobody who makes a private illegal trail expects it to be there forever. But having a trail get shut down from a land owner/ park ranger coming across it vs. having it get blown out from too much traffic bringing attention to it is where the real difference is. Why can't you get mad at whoever let the word out? If you told them not to tell anybody and they did, obviously that's their fault.
  • 3 1
 It just comes down to whether you want steep, technical, loose trails that really push you, or IMBA-approved motorways with concrete berms and a cafe at the bottom. One is fun to ride, the other is council-friendly, you choose.
  • 10 1
 Uh oh. There'll be lots of people who disagree with this one for their own reasons. Seems like there'll be differences in opinion between those in populated vs non-populated areas. RIP Northfork
  • 17 4
 Only idiots give others the map to a pot of gold
  • 8 2
 Always speak in code and only pass the word to the initiated. My fiends and I always make new names (more creatively offensive) or use mile marker numbers. My favorite trail right now is "Elk Rapist via Just Tits". Google that bitches.
  • 13 1
 First rule of fight club.......
  • 2 0
 flight club
  • 1 0
 HA! we call ours fightclub too. Too funny
  • 7 0
 Around Vancouver and the lower mainland there is no shortage of publicly listed trails to ride. There are apps, maps and books that will point you to all the goods. If someone wants to build a trail and keep it secret then that's cool. If I want to keep getting invited to ride fresh loamers then I have to honour the builders' desire to keep things secret. Eventually things might get found out or turn up on Strava. Once that happens I guess it's fair game to anyone. But until then public is public and secrets will remain secret, at least as far as I'm concerned.
  • 6 0
 Interesting editorial considering PB has allowed at least two videos on illegal trails to be posted in the last couple weeks. An edit that only shows bits and pieces of a trail is one thing. It is way more difficult to figure out that way, if you can, well bonus for you I guess. Filming the whole trail from top to bottom and from every angle is irresponsible in my opinion. To be clear I am speaking of illegal or unsanctioned trails ^^
  • 4 0
 the worst are when pro riders shamelessly poach (exploit) secret trails for neon colored clothing advertisements. see ya later wagon wheels!
  • 6 0
 I found a secret trail once while not on my bike. It was by accident when I was out hiking with my son who was three at the time. Two fellas showed up and I asked what trail it was. I didn't know it was a secret trail because I had just moved to the area recently and in front of my son one of the fellas proceeded to talk to me like I was on speed-dial with the local club, exposing the find. Then he told me to not go and put it on the Internet. His buddy sat there on his bike with a look on his face that was telling his buddy to shut-up. I pretty much ride by myself because people piss me off, and this dude totally made me want to post photos and directions to the place but I just looked at him like the douchebag he was and walked away. Rode the trail a few days later and it was one of the shittiest trails I had ever ridden. To this day My wife is the only person I leave a map as to where I will be for emergency reasons, and in my 20 years of riding I have only found a handful of secret trails. To this day not one of those trails have been revealed to anyone because I figure that if I tell someone, then I will have to deal with other people on the trail. If you're a trail builder and someone comes upon your trail, don't get bent out of shape because it is bound to happen, and certainly don't get bent out of shape if one has their three year old son with him, cause your trail might end up on single tracks.com just in-spite of you. Overall, the land isn't yours, you have as about much right to that strip of dirt as a crack addict on a street corner, so if you are infiltrated just get over it and ride on.
  • 6 1
 This topic is very interesting to me, as I can so easily see both sides of it, but in the end respecting the trail and its builders wishes should come before anything else.

I'm doing quite a lengthy trip through Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia this summer, and I have a ton of places I'm already looking forward to riding, but part of me really wishes I had the means to get some info on some of these private or hidden trails. I have no interest in outing the secret or even really sharing anything about it, but I do want to ride the best trails possible while I'm there. But I know that's a battle that I can't really win, because then where does it end? Hopefully I can meet some locals in all the different areas and get some inside scoop on what's riding well and worth my time. Stoked either way.
  • 6 0
 That's the key, meet people, buy them beer, it will all work out
  • 3 1
 Property rights gotsta trump builders' wishes.
  • 4 1
 @mushy There are no good trails in BC what-so-ever. And there're no secret trails worth mentioning in Washington, but Oregon folks will always happily show you where they ride, if you tell them your from Southern California!
  • 2 0
 Lol I moved to Portland from socal and figured out pretty quickly to shut up about where home is.
  • 5 1
 I know the feeling, I spent over a year building a wee trail which I managed to keep pretty quiet. Recently it has been on facebook a fair bit and the undergrowth has been strimmed back by someone making it much more obvious. Since it isn't sanctioned i'm not sure how much longer it will last now :/
  • 4 0
 As a builder of an unsanctioned trail, I always think how cool it would be to have many riders there just like the other local spot in my community... That other local spot just got dozed. So 2 sides to this coin. And Disney land is not fun without sharing the experience with others.
  • 4 0
 I agree with this completely. We spent 400 man-hours on a new trail last year, decided yo keep it under wraps until the links to other trails had been built and only show people we knew well.

fast forward a month or two and i found out one of the mtb guides in the area, despite knowing a few of the builders and that it was still secret, added it to his list of toured trails and chucked the video up on youtube.
how long do you think that'll stay quiet now!? ain't even finished yet....
  • 1 0
 Seems like the guy was gonna violate your requirements regardless of media. Blabbermouths are blabbermouths, don't blame the delivery method.

I think the real issue here is treating social media as if they're not part of real life. I try to act the same way on the internet as I do in "real life."
  • 2 2
 I'm just going to say it again.. All Guides for EVERYTHING are sooooo lame, except that one in Tarkovsky's "Сталкер".
  • 4 0
 Another point is "Be Cool to Non-Bikers" on illegal trails. Law-Makers tend to ignore illegal trail usage until some dog-walker writes a letter. We're losing a local illegal trail here in San Francisco, and it's like getting kicked in balls.
  • 8 5
 the topic is a bit miasleading since the article is about social network sharing not any type of sharing. in my opinion all trails should be shared not doing it is very selfish and elitistic. But still it should be mouth to ear no via socialnetworking.
  • 10 1
 Damn right! Tell your friends. Your real friends. The ones you actually talk to.
  • 1 6
flag billybobzia (Mar 5, 2015 at 11:56) (Below Threshold)
 You missed the point
  • 5 0
 No I didnt I addressed both points You have to tell people about trails. Your good friends. The trail builder tells his good friends. Trusting and hoping they will only do the same. Slowly the trail will be discovered by more people. This is natural. You don't strava, Instagram, facebook the shit out of the trail you have no right to tell everyone about. Unless you're a disrespectful prick.
  • 4 0
 Dare to explain billy?
  • 5 2
 Some trails may exist that might not be on public land or sanctioned by the local government, an influx of people would obviously put the trail in jeopardy. Everywhere I have been, there are these types of trails, if people show them to you, you are lucky, don't ruin it for those that live there by telling a bunch of people or posting in the internet, it's simple really.
  • 3 0
 Billy. Sharing trails on private land and not being the owner will bring you way worst problems. Overpopulated trails shoudlnt be your concern in that case. Survival should be.
  • 3 0
 This is good writing! There's a regional aspect to maintaining trail secrets. I live in a pretty small town and even if we doubled the riders on the local trails it wouldn't be so bad. Secrecy seems more like selfishness or exclusivity in such a tight, little community. But take up the idea of secrecy in urban and suburban areas and it makes a ton of sense. I can only imagine the heartbreak of finding a line you've nursed in the woods get all chewed up!
  • 3 0
 Good point. It depends on the local geographic condition. In some places I've lived, if you don't get as many people as you can to ride, the trails will be overgrown completely. I've seen good trail go wild in a single summer.
  • 8 0
 what trails?
  • 7 0
 these are not the trails you are looking for
  • 1 0
 Sages of knobby wheels. I'll ride with you guys. Meet ya by that one tree.
  • 3 0
 I have always enjoyed building trails since I started riding bikes about 17 years ago. Over the years I got more and more into the building of tracks but it would always get destroyed by people riding motocross bikes through the forests. I would always look to find somewhere to build that I thought would be harder to find but someone alwyas stumbles across it. Before long it is destroyed or people start to alter the trails to suit their riding ability. Eventually when you find a spot that you know is secure , the last thing you want to do is put in 2 years work through the winters and then some IDIOT discovers it and tells the whole world. ( I am lucky to have permission to use a piece of private owned land )
  • 3 0
 All I have to say is it's a lot easier than people think for other people on their computers to find trails, jumps, pump tracks, and road gaps on Google images with just a word from a hashtag or the caption (As long as it isn't in a dense forrest).
  • 3 0
 Strava's recent heat map was eye opening to see that even some of the ditched route options had be ridden. We need pros to come ride the local trails and set every KOM to an unbeatable standards. We all know the local guy who doesn't use strava who would destroy your times but until it happens people live in their ego land of false supremacy. Go race a real race and see how that goes!
  • 3 0
 Surfing faced this problem for years. A lot of spots can't handle a crowd as there aren't enough waves to go around so if you found somewhere new you kept it to yourself. There was always a law of omerta. These days every spot is mobbed and aggro fueled when its working mostly due to people sharing everything on social media.
  • 3 0
 thanks for the great article, as far filming those trails without authorizationfrom builder , PBIKE video player should have a "Poached " button on the lower screen and be automatically sent for revision to someone that understand the consequences for possible removal. Poachers shouldn't be help by this site.
  • 3 0
 I think secret trails should only be spread via tours! If you want to share your trail, do so, but not online....must be present to win!

Another thing; If you're going to take trail porn then please turn off your locations within your phone settings. This will eliminate tracking through photos. Apple (and I'm sure every phone manufacturer) has it set by default that every picture you take has it's locations tagged into it I believe....if you're gonna post pics of illegal/secret trails then turn that shit off!!! For the love of all that is holy don't poach!
  • 7 2
 That photo from Russia looks very nice. Do you have a link to the Strava from that ride?
  • 5 0
 I think that pic is from Whoopsie Whoodle.
  • 1 0
 A CDC recon mission.
  • 5 2
 "Don't you want the sport to grow?"

Hey dickhead. If you want the sport to grow, grab a shovel for once in your life or donate to your local trail building group. Contribute in any way you can now, not tomorrow.
  • 2 0
 I just skipped to the bottom to write my own comment without reading anyone else's....bascially this wont be a new opinion.

All public land is public land. YES

This is not an issue of your rights being violated or your feeling being hurt.

Some trails need to be "secret" to exist. If they are too publicized, they will disapear or neagatively effect a local land use situation.

Bascially, be part of the team. Dont become a Tabloid set on ruining some of the best trails around.
  • 1 0
 We love our trails, love that they're being used. We don't want to keep them secret and if we did,somebody would eventually stumble upon them and the word of mouth thing will happen,word spreads and they'll no longer be be secret. We've built some trails that over the last year have been ridden so much and have been featured her on pinkbike,see home to roost with rowan. We love that people enjoy them,but we also hate the fact they're so busy. I spent my week off work tidying up the weekends riding. Berms blown out, rolled jumps etc. I enjoy riding my trails too and building them is fun but please understand the work and effort we put in to them. Ride them if you find them, appreciate them and respect them especially in this crap weather we've recently had, lots of bikes cause damage and I would like to ride them too. Peace Smile
  • 3 2
 to be devils advocate, if they are illegal you shouldn't be making them in the first place and can't really argue when they are removed. I suppose we are lucky in Scotland in that we can pretty much cycle where we want in the countryside.
  • 2 0
 I've seen many new coastal builds go from secret, to freeway destroyed in a month. Word seems to travel like fire?? Come on guys, steep loamers just don't last... shut your big mouth think about it.
  • 1 0
 2 trail building articles on the same day. Great to hear the different perspectives on the trails we ride, and how they evolve. I have struggled with the different but valid views that i have read here when I am out there building and riding, and lean toward the rogue style knowing from experience that they will be found at some point, likely claimed by someone else as built by them, or destroyed by development. My lines have been signed, strava'd and rebuilt by positive minded people thinking they are doing the right thing. i did not follow the rules, and realize that i need to move on. it sucks sometimes and is hard to let go, but if you do not go through the proper channels then expect the worse and realize it likely has a negative impact politicaally for those in your club fighting the good fight. like all the others, this only my opinion.
  • 1 0
 Funny almost every trail i have ever ridden was a stash trail. These trails get shared with freinds.
I show trails on video and in pictures. What sort of idiot would post directions to stash trails.?
I dont use Stava but that is the worst invention ever made to cause threat to lesser known trails.
Share your trails with freinds just dont post where it is on the internet.
I luv how the pro vids on the front page of PB constantly feature stash trails.
  • 1 0
 like any new social media tool we immediately lose our heads and abuse the new form of communication. most of us

eventually learn from our mistake and start to filter what we're uploading.

everyone knows the girl who posts photo albums to facebook maybe 5 of the 400 pictures were worth sharing.

strava is the same. we post everything. so much so that the feed is just filled with garbage that never needed to be shared

in the first place. and now it's gotten worse. dying for attention, kudos, trophies, whatever, we have riders running around

seeking out the best local trail stash they can find hoping to be able to post first. labeling their rides as "new trail" etc...

small-minded, no respect to the builders etc.. and these same riders will be the most vocal when something gets shut down.
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 Very well written! I enjoyed this article a lot! I know I have a few hidden spots that stay tight lipped and only the closest of biking friends already know or I'll take them there. As for the rest of the bike community, if I've only met you once or twice I wouldn't be taking you to my spots! These trails are the best of the best and it's nice to be one of a lucky few who built it and can enjoy riding it Salute
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 Conveniently the best trails are often the ones where the general public can't hang. So even if they strava their way to the good stuff, no doubt the shittiest riders won't be back to ruin your flow or trash the trail. A good "qualifying" feature at the start can be a great deterrent. Trails that are obviously directional make life a lot easier too.

Jesse from Toronto
Where there are no secret anythings, and we don't have loam.
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 F off strava dorks posting illegal trail data! Even worse is video... No better than litter bugs imho
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 http://youtu.be/_YhpauKGgQ4
Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
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 What's really cool is seeing your favourite sweet secret trails show up in pinkbike video edits..
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 Great bit of writing. People need to think before sending it out to the world.
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 i only ride park...
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 is this a #hashtag? then I would love to see people riding outside of #cliques
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 Just make your Strava private, hide your data from heat maps, and dont make segments on the local stuff.
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 Does making data private prevent it from appearing on heat maps? I cant find any information on strava's website indicating one way or the other.
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 Don't trust strava with data
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 private will end on the Heat Map.
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 settings>privacy>opt out of heatmaps
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 good to know but most people probably don't either.
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 Sweet, didn't know that was an option
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 If I ever start using Strava, someone please shoot me.
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 Ha! No secret trails here to begin with. Or maybe I'm just not in on anything...
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 also girlfriends. make sure they're trust worthy and don't like to post everything to instragram!
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 and stay off strava! thnx have fun! (guys spend too much time on FB insta too! not being sexist! stoked more girls are riding!!
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 Locals Only!!!
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 I've found so many trails thanks to people posting photos,keep up the good work people!
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 Or don't invite teevee babies to your illegal trails.
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 "so the hat shot ya right bob?"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubXliC97n0E

"...no, ...the teevee baby shot me...."
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 Very nice Write up,personaly enjoyed the Last sentence a lot.i like Adventures into undiscovered terrain
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 Ride it don't Slide it...
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 Strava-fiddling KOM-obsessed numpties are a curse on the sport. too much mainstream, too much hype
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 support your local trail advocacy groups. More legal trails means less people on your illegal trail.
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 never share on the internet. only in person to the right people
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 most trails at my town are illegal, we do not have official trail building
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 Same old article that's been posted lots recently. Yes we get it. I agree with some parts of the article. I disagree with others. Write something different please.
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 Making Videos and putting them on Pike Bike, which just happened in Asheville NC
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 Not to everybody Because if u start sharing to everyone people will start trying to modify them
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 Love these. Well done Mike
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 Well written.
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 nicely put MK
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 WHAR R THAY?!?
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 Well written, I could not aggree more!
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 NOT JUST SOMETIMES - ALL THE TIME!
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 Long live secret trails!
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 Oh the woes of entitlement. You find a trail spread the word. It obviously was not concealed enuf.
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