Rider Perspective: What do you choose: Dual Suspension or Hardtail?

Jun 9, 2015
by Catharine Pendrel  
Rider Perspective Header

Your new cross counrty world champion Catharine Pendrel.

On September 6th, 2014, I became the first woman to win a World Championship on a full suspension bike. What made me buck tradition in the women's field and choose the kilogram heavier full suspension over the lithe hardtail?

You could argue that I am a late adopter of change, I will seek out and gladly test new equipment, but it must prove itself to me before I jump on a band wagon and commit to it for racing. I was one of the last World cup racers to relinquish my nimble and success-proven 26 inch wheels in favour of 27.5 wheels. When I did, the bike industry had perfected geometry changes and offered a full performance line of 27.5 tires and forks.

When it comes to full-suspension bikes, however, I embraced their benefits years ago, deflecting the “too heavy for racing” commentary and embracing the big picture of overall performance. That commentary no longer holds much weight, literally, as most full suspension cross country bikes weigh in at under 23lbs (even with the now bigger wheels). Modern geometry and suspension have added amazingly stable pedalling platforms and well, they are just damn good bikes!

My love of a great full suspension aside, there are still many races that I will choose the hardtail, although admittedly fewer! Case in point, at the first round of the 2015 XCO World Cup in Nove Mesto Na Morave, Czech I raced a full-suspension and at round two,one week later, in Albstadt Germany a hardtail. My results were 4th and 3rd respectively, but the difference in results were due to legs rather than bike.

Images by Matthew Delorme for Catharine s Rider Perspective series.

Racing on the fully at round one.


Images by Matthew Delorme for Catharine s Rider Perspective series.

Hucking on the hardtail one week later at round two.


So why choose different rides? When I am looking at what bike to race I am asking myself what bike will allow me to perform at my best. I look at how my bike can help me climb fast, carry speed across flat rough sections, and descend like a mad woman. I choose the bike I feel will bring out the best in my riding on a particular course and which gives me winning confidence.

Many people see the full suspension as assisting with descending, but don’t realize their real race advantage lies in climbing and transitions. In XCO racing at least, the descents are such a small time portion of the race that yes you can lose a race with sloppy descending, but rarely can you win just by railing them.

The largest proportion of time spent racing will be on climbs. If the climb is nuanced with many roots, rocks and tricky maneuvers the full suspension is going to help you maintain traction and power delivery. The less energy wasted trying to save a mistake the more goes into going uphill quickly.

Images by Matthew Delorme for Catharine s Rider Perspective series.

The World Championships course in Norway and the World Cup course in Czech have just such climbs. Both are perfect for a full suspension to excel and help you save energy. By contrast, the climbs in Albstadt are smooth and steep so that slightly steeper angled and lighter hardtail does the trick nicely.

On terrain transitions, the rougher they are, the more being able to sit and drive on a full suspension will help you carry your momentum. The more flat and hard pack the transitions the more amazing standing up and accelerating on a hard tail will feel. This is also where considering your riding style is important. If you are going to sit and spin regardless you might always be a “fully” fan. If you like to jump in and out of the saddle all the time you’ll likely gravitate to a hardtail or take the best of both worlds riding a “fully” with integrated remote lock out.

Long gone are the days where mountain bike races were just off-road road races and low weight, low front end and fast tread conquered all. I never witnessed these days, but have seen a definite increase in “man-made features” over the last 5 years. The full suspension can make learning these features easier, especially when you have 9 hrs of jet lag and 20 hrs travel in your body and just 3 days till you race. You want to learn the best way to speed down a rock garden or off a jump as soon as possible so that you can get on with your race prep.

Images by Matthew Delorme for Catharine s Rider Perspective series.

The descents in Albstadt are pretty straightforward, go fast, corner well. A hardtail is a lot of fun here. In Czech, where the descents are much longer, gravity fed and root strewn with a couple rock gardens thrown in, the full suspension feels smooth as silk and maintains its momentum. The more you pump the terrain here, the faster you go and the faster you want to go. Did I mention I love this track? The full suspension makes me want to ride as fast here as the hard tail does in Albstadt.

This year both races were won on a hard tail because that’s what the best rider on the day chose. Despite what I feel the best bike for the course is, to win you still have to be the best rider, choosing the right bike for you just helps you bring out your best on the day.

Images by Matthew Delorme for Catharine s Rider Perspective series.

In the end, bikes aside, the most important thing you can do is hone your skills and fitness to such a level you are equally happy on either bike. In 2014 I earned more wins aboard my hardtail, but in every great race, putting out a winning performance meant feeling 100% in sync with my ride and using it to find the most out of myself and the terrain.

-Catharine Pendrel


MENTIONS: @cpendrel / @orbea / @shimano / @foxracingshox



Author Info:
cpendrel avatar

Member since May 9, 2015
5 articles
Report
Must Read This Week
Sign Up for the Pinkbike Newsletter - All the Biggest, Most Interesting Stories in your Inbox
PB Newsletter Signup

136 Comments
  • 139 9
 Everybody should start out on a hardtail to get into mountain biking and learn the basics, but having rear suspension lets you ride the trail in a whole new way. I still love hardtails, i worked enough to have two hardtails (dj and xc) in the stable, but my main steed will always be my full suspension.
  • 73 0
 There is another dimension not mentioned to "Everybody should start out on a hardtail", which is bike maintenance. Hardtails are a lot easier to maintain!
  • 8 2
 I can somewhat agree with starting out on a hardtail. I started out my girlfriend on a full suspension with a front and rear lockout. It's easier for her and she's not trying to become an amateur racer or anything, and I can work on the bike myself and teach her along the way. Of course, when I started riding, hardtail was pretty much the only option Smile
  • 7 3
 I started on a hardtail, gradually going one up on components.DH with a 120mm XCR fork with V-Brakes, then put a Junior T and a Juicy5, better cranks, etc. This way, because of the low end first fork, I learned how to do a different version of the bunny hop, which came in handy for keeping speed when aproaching stairs and what not. I learned that you cannot relythat much on suspension, rather on a bitof skill aswell.As the Junior came, I simply evolved, I could carry more speed and had the oportunity to brake late. Also, learning how to control that back wheel is a must! Now, Iprefer riding downhill on my DJ bike, it's just more fun Smile
  • 27 2
 People should also start out mountain biking on flat pedals. Learning how to control the bike through the pedals, picking up the rear and and and bunny hopping - these are important skills that get lost when using SPDs.
  • 27 7
 I started on a hardtail back when 70mm of fork travel was cutting edge. No way I'm ever going back to a hardtail, just like I'm never going back to 205cm straight skis.
  • 14 2
 People should just buy a bike that they love. No matter the frame, if you love your bike, you want to go out and to ride. And it's the time you spent on bikes that make your skills.
  • 4 0
 I agree with that statement MDRipper. The other day I went DHing on the smoothest, flowiest trail on our mountain on a hardtail and it kicked my butt! If I payed that much attention to line choice on my Dher I'd be WAY better than I am now!
  • 7 4
 I started when MTB were fully rigid and gears were friction shifting. How times have changed...I sit here today looking at my carbon fibre race bike with 29" wheel running tubeless, 1 x 10 index gearing with thick\thin chainring, 80mm hydraulic fork, carbon bars, carbon seat post, carbon rail seat post, hydraulic disc brakes, clipless pedals = wow!
  • 3 2
 I understand what you're saying @SlodownU , but are FS bikes the same bikes they were in the heyday of 70mm of travel(or hell, even the bikes they were 5 years ago?)

Hardtails have changed, A LOT, & big wheels revolutionized them in a way I did not comprehend until recently. Even her XC race bike has 100x better geo than the bikes you & I started out with, & a good 120mm 29er hardtail, with good geo like a yelli-screami, is a whole world better all around bike than that race bike.
  • 3 1
 "& a good 120mm 29er hardtail, with good geo like a yelli-screami, is a whole world better all around bike than that race bike."

better all around bike compared to which race bike?
  • 3 1
 Than her XC race hardtail. Point being, her XC race bike is going to be 100x times better for even steep scary shit than a 199X hardtail with 70mm of travel like SlodownU & I started on(actually, I started on a full rigid) because the geo has evolved so much. The yelli-screami (or On-One Parkwood, which is what I have) is even better than that, & is why I say that people should really try out a modern, aggressive HT with big wheels, because they'll probably be surprised at how good it is(I certainly was, I had similar sentiments to SlodownU until I got this bike: "hardtails, never again.")
  • 16 1
 Not true in todays climate of bikes. A person should start out riding on the bike that fits them the best and allows them to enjoy riding more. Imagine buying a Hardtail bike and then going for a ride with your friends who all have duallies and want to ride hard terrain....just doesn't make sense.
  • 15 3
 Sorry, you can start with carbon Enduro or DH bike right away and become good quickly, it all depends on getting someone to teach you to do fundamental stuff right before you spend too much time developing bad habits and reacting on unrealistic fears. It is easier to create new wires in the brain, then take them together with existing ones and turn them into cycling related highways, than to rewire everything. As we all know the old dogs like their own ways.
  • 2 0
 Yeah i mean buying a full sus bike is a big investment for some even if it is used. When i was younger all i had/ could afford was a hardtail, but i do think riding one forces you to pay more attention especially trying to ride rocky stuff, but if yuh got the loot go ahead and blow it.
  • 2 1
 @groghunter i'm not sure if i agree with a "good" 120mm 29er hardtail is going to be better than her race hardtail. you're comparing a generic, hypothetical bike with a real race hardtail. are you saying this just because the wheels are slightly larger? this is an entirely different discussion than just suspension.
  • 3 3
 Make it a 120mm 27.5 if that floats your fancy. I used a 29er because it's what I happened to buy(due to having someone give me a set of 29" wheels.) you're belaboring a tangential point that was meant only to serve the primary thrust of my argument: HTs are much better bikes than they were in the 90s, even in modern XC race geo, but 120mm(or even 140mm in 27.5) are even a step beyond that, & you shouldn't dismiss hardtails based on memories of the bad old days. I bring up wheelsize because it makes a difference: the bigger wheels compensate for the lack of suspension in some ways.
  • 2 2
 i'm not dismissing hardtails. i own one. her race bike is a 27.5 right? i think i'm missing your point entirely, because you're saying a hypothetical hardtail is better than the above hardtail
  • 3 1
 What's hypothetical about the On-One Parkwood, or the Canfield yelli-screamy? want a similar bike in 27.5? On-One 45650b. they are production bicycles, that you can purchase today, with your hard earned skrilla.
  • 5 0
 Until about two months ago, I had a dj hardtail and that's all I head to ride. It was what I could afford, and I used it for everything, and I mean I was doing full on DH trails on an 80mm HT, and long AM climbs. I just purchased my first FS bike and it has made me so incredibly happy, it's amazing how good bikes are these days.
  • 2 1
 @groghunter - guess i really don't see your point. okay - two random bikes are better than Catharine's race XC hardtail? okay. i think you're losing any sort of point you were trying to make.
  • 3 4
 My point is quite clear, you just refuse to see it. "don't judge all hardtails as bad because your rode one in the '90s & it sucked."

Furthermore: "big wheels make hardtails better."

is that really so hard to grasp?
  • 4 3
 @groghunter but you posted "a good 120mm 29er hardtail, with good geo like a yelli-screami, is a whole world better all around bike than that race bike," which has nothing to do with that lol. it's the internet mate...i get how these conversations can devolve, but you sort of lost your point when you tried to say that an affordable hardtail was "a whole world better" than an XC race hardtail. that has absolutely nothing to do with "don't judge all hardtails"
  • 4 2
 plus big wheels is a moot point when you can buy a FS with all the same wheel sizes.
  • 3 4
 except i said it was a better ALL AROUND BIKE. after that argument, anytime i refer to it as "better," including when i said "a whole world better," I'm referencing that point. Or are you really so pedantic that I have to say "all around bike" every time, once I've already established what I'm trying to point out? My later posts were attempting to clarify my initial argument that confused you, not restate it from scratch.

Big wheels are not moot, just because you can buy a FS with them as well. People usually have two major complaints about hardtails: they're hard on your sit bones & lower spine, because there's no suspension to dampen impacts, & they lose traction because there's no suspension to keep the tire glued to the ground.

Big wheels help with hard tail pain, because they have more air volume for a given tire size, which provides some cushion. secondly, because they roll over trail chatter more smoothly, they don't transmit as much harshness to the rider.

Big wheels help with loss of traction, because their contact patch is bigger, again for a given tire size, which helps compensate for the tire not staying glued to the ground like on FS.

Do FS bikes gain from both those things as well? sure. It's one of the reasons you can get away with less travel on a 29er than on a 26" bike. but that's not the relevant question. the relevant question is: do these improvements, combined with the better geometry of a modern trail hardtail, make hard tails fun enough to consider, especially if you haven't ridden one since 26" hardtails in the '90s?

My opinion is that is does, which is why I made the argument in the first place.
  • 9 0
 For technical climbing and overall comfort pick a full suspension that is over $2000.
If you are looking at spending less than $2000, go with a good hard tail.
  • 3 1
 i agree with that @SithBike - it's really about what you can afford and what you're riding. since not every trail is strictly XC, i'll stick with my FS for most of my rides. i have a well-built hardtail, but it's just not going to be as adaptable to all conditions as my FS. after all, this debate is dual suspension and hardtail with similar frames and wheels, not another wheel debate. it's all about what works for you, because not everybody can have the luxury of both kinds Smile
  • 2 3
 My hardtail is a much better bike overall than my fully because its just not the right size and it doesnt perform well for me. That being said the Hardtail's rear end works exactly the way its supposed to all the time and because of its constancy I can actually descend faster and more confidently than on the fully. Though larger trail features get kinda scary on the hardtail. For reference I ride a 2013 Kona Big Kahuna hardtail and an older Titus Moto-Lite fully.
  • 2 1
 How big of factor is this? I have been trying to teach my gf ( she's a good rider in the trails) on how to do these exact things like picking up the rear. She finds it pretty difficult though. Is that possibly due to her using spd pedals
  • 4 1
 Depends on the terrain you ride too. No one in my area rides a hard tail because it just wouldn't be as fun. The trails are long descents, rocky, steep, and very few intermediate trails. Its not fun walking your bike down trails and features you don't feel comfortable on at first. If a FS bike makes a beginner feel more comfortable earlier, then they will continue to bike for longer because they enjoy it more. Buy the bike that you can afford and that best suits the types of trails you will be riding. I would never recommend anyone in my area buy a hard tail.
  • 3 3
 Bunnyhop on HT vs FS, please... 98% of riders pull with biceps and hamstrings, instead of using core and hips. Then 1% tells you to pull first the front wheel then the rear - that's how bunnyhop is understood in the universe, and most of those people cannot jump over an obstacle higher than 10 inches. I assure you that most fast dudes in your town can jump V10 higher than mentioned 99% if they were given a BMX. Riding an HT in terrain will give you as much advantage for bunnyhopping compared to FS, as 29" wheel in rolling over a boulder compared to 26". You can or you can't.
  • 3 2
 I chose a HT as my next bike due to the serious lack of mountains we have here, it's the best for a do-it-all kind of bike IMO. Started on a cheap XC rig, went for a full-on DH rig, got a DJ and better XC rig, sold everything, going for HT again.
  • 65 6
 Neg prop me all you want, but I'm digging all the xc coverage and articles lately. I'm more of a downhiller, but I enjoy all aspects of off road cycling!
  • 12 3
 I honestly think its funny that when people say "neg prop me" they usually have a lot of positive props. I'm with you though, I'm loving the XC coverage! Working in a bike shop in a pretty flat part of the US, I deal with XC mountain bikes almost exclusively. Don't get me wrong, I love downhilling as much as the next guy, but where I live the riding is 95% XC. It's awesome to see that side of the sport being covered more on pinkbike.
  • 14 6
 ^yeah they say that because it's an obvious attempt for attention lol
  • 7 2
 @Andynyleswillriot I always thought the same, and decided to give it a shot.. and it works! lol
  • 28 5
 It took me a while to understand that a 29er all mountain hardtail was a blast to ride. But if I could only have one bike it would be a bike like my Stumpy FSR Evo 29 because I can use it on anything from XC to DH. If you can have 2 bikes though, a hardtail should definately be your choice if you don't already have one.
  • 30 5
 It takes more skill to ride a Hard-Tail down something harder then it does a full-susp
  • 18 9
 but you'll have more fun on the FS
  • 23 4
 Not necessarily, nohyphens. It depends on how you ride, what terrain you ride and what you have fun doing. If you’re riding flowy trails and/or like picking tech lines through rocks, then maybe you’d have more fun without the squish. Personal preference.
  • 7 4
 Says who?!
  • 3 0
 of course there's always going to be a crew who are having more fun on a hardtail, and yes it depends on the terrain. on any average trail, i myself am going to have more fun on a full suspension. an all mountain bike goes everywhere and a hardtail is going to be somewhat limited. i rode hardtail for 18 years and still own one
  • 14 1
 I 100% have more fun on my dropper-equipped hardtail than on my full suspension bike. But they're kinda apples and oranges. Different strokes.
  • 8 0
 It also takes more energy to ride a HT down something harder than it does a full suspension rig, which is probably the most salient point regarding XC racing. So, on a rough course like Catharine mentioned in Nove Mesto, using a FS is not only about speed, but about conserving stamina for the climbs. Strictly speaking about downhills (and ignoring rear suspension's benefits with regard to tech climbing), I'd wager that with the high level of skill of someone like Catharine, she's probably not much slower riding a hardtail on a rock-strewn descent compared to a FS, but she's going to beat her body up holding on to a HT much more than a FS.
  • 6 1
 Riding a hardtail at the tweedlove EWS was the gnarliest thing I've ever done. The lack of rear suspension made it almost impossible to carry speed on the tight, rough trails and braking and maintaining traction were equally hard. Still a blast though and the bragging rights last forever Smile
  • 1 0
 I myself have more fun on a hardtail. I love going down rock gardens too, because I have tires with a bit more side wall for such occasions. I like that you can basically bunny hop over everything in your way and carrying speed is even more addictive Smile After finally building my favourite DH bike (GloryDH), I am only riding the hardtail just because it is so much fun. If I want some trials, got it, want freeride, got it, big drops, even hucks to flat, got it, want to try out a tailwhip, because I stumbled upon some dirt jumps, do it! (On the last one I once broke 3 spokes, ripped them off, still running strong Big Grin ) To me FS=nice, HT=fun!
  • 8 0
 well it seems like age is playing a factor here, too.

no way i'd take my hardtail to a downhill trail or bike park anymore. just not worth it on the body. plus, the FS is faster on descents and can handle bigger drops. it's more fun Wink
  • 5 0
 @fmogan77 I went back to a rigid bike just to learn to ride better on my FS and it is totally working.
  • 6 0
 if you're in it purely for bragging rights, then get a cyclocross Smile who needs suspension, fat tires or even mtb geometry?
  • 2 1
 Ha ha, my hardtail had a 70 degree head angle so it wasn't far off a cx bike, and also fixing pinch flats all day wouldn't have been fun, and think of the arm pump!!!!
  • 4 1
 Dude I love riding my CX bike on trails!!
  • 4 3
 Nope, the skill is the same regardless of bike - the skill is relevant to the rider not the bike. A skilled person riding a hardtail or suspension using the same absolute effort of ability will be able to take more aggressive lines and go faster and harder on the dual suspension bike, at the same effort level they will be going slower and fatiguing faster when on the hard tail.
  • 2 0
 I always say that it's the rider not the bike,but that doesn't actually apply here. It is considerably easier to ride down some of my local tech trails on a fully with slack geometry than on my 71 degree race hardtail. So a noobie riding a Nomad would be much faster than if they were on my race bike. I bet most people on this site couldn't ride 80% as fast (downhilll) on a real race bike (not a AM hardtail) as they do on their full suspension rigs.

In contrast I just watched a buddy of mine go from a 160mm enduro bike to a 100mm FS full suspension (29er version of what Nino Shurter rides) and he has only gotten faster. Uphill and down.
  • 1 0
 I've ridden quite a bit at Trestle park on both my Honzo and my Entourage. Both are FUN!

When on the 29" HT, I must be 100% on my game or else I'll end up crumpled in a sorry pile of flesh somewhere down the trail.
When on the Entourage, I can ride relaxed, hitting the same lines with ease & in comfort, as the FS makes up for my lack of skill.
  • 1 0
 @bkm303 me too! But in Innerleithen I think you'd spend more time off the bike than on it Wink
  • 2 0
 After riding a ht for years I was instantly faster on a full sus 100% a result of the bike. I still like to take the ht out a few days per month to keep my muscle memory and sharpen my skills and jump stuff as I'm not going to cry if it breaks
  • 20 0
 Geo is way more important, I'm happier descending on a slack ht than a steep fs bike. As long as the st is steep enough climbing is cool. I reckon geo is more important than wheel size even
  • 11 1
 I´m pretty sure science can prove that geo is more important than wheel size
  • 3 0
 I am affraid that both geo and wheel size will have to remain as religions... No one will ever fund any research in that area, it would require tons of cash to tackle the variables, and it would be bad for cycling industry.
  • 14 0
 Good article. I will say that anybody who hasn't tried a hard tail in bigger wheels should give it a shot: I was amazed at how much the bigger wheels mitigated the lack of rear suspension. Every hardtail no longer being an XC whippet helps too(mine is decided no racer's bike.)
  • 5 0
 Yeah, agree with you 100%. 29ers with modern geometries are incredibly fun, and almost eliminate the need for rear suspension (on certain types of terrain). My strava times on my 29er HT (with a dropper) are as good or better than my old times on my XC FS 26er (no dropper). Don't wanna read too much into that, but suffice to say, that 29er HT rips and I love it.
  • 1 0
 Totally agree , I changed my 26 to a hard tail 27.5 with a short stem, dropper , etc To be honest , I wasn't really convinced before my first try , but it is really confortable and surprisingly manoeuvrable ! I really don't fell the need for a full AM anymore !
  • 3 1
 Yeah I think my next bike will be a 27 or 29 hardtail with 150mm forks.
  • 7 0
 Thanks for the great article! It's been really exciting to see the bike choices and how they affect riders' styles on different courses. XC has been incredibly exciting to watch this season and last.

Not sure if you're answering questions, but.... do you see droppers making their way into XCO in a big way? I LOVE riding a HT with a dropper , but from an XC race perspective I see them as kind of a middle ground; they help descending a lot, but don't provide the traction benefits you talk about here. I doubt we'll see full suspension + dropper anytime soon (weight), but would hardtail riders adopt them? Or would they just take the small extra weight penalty and move up to FS in that scenario?
  • 1 0
 I´m not sure but maybe they can develop carbon droppers or just lighter for xc use then it might be a even bigger benefit.
  • 1 0
 Yeah KS has a shorter travel carbon one that's been spotted at a few WC XC races. But so far it's still really uncommon. Just curious if that's due to lack of acceptance due to being "new" to XC, or that they just don't offer enough benefit for the weight.

Nino opened up a HUGE gap on Julien on that last downhill at Albstadt... I just keep wondering how that would have changed if Julien could drop that seat lower. But it worked out okay for him in the end! Big Grin
  • 2 0
 I've only tried one for a few rides, but I think they are worth the weight penalty. A couple hundred grams is barely noticeable on the climbs but you will gain seconds and possibly minutes over an entire race on the descents. Cost, and the fact that my 27.2mm seatpost limits my options are why I don't have one yet. Most of the trails I regularly ride I can get by without one

29" didn't exactly catch on for the world cups (compared to the US race series) initially , I remember an argument being that there is so much traffic on the course that you don't really need the advantage over rough stuff, you want something that is the lightest possible, and will accelerate the fastest to pass people when it opens up. But with the ridiculous features in world cup courses I think we will start seeing them soon.
  • 2 0
 I have found that droppers are not just good on descents, but they are good on technical sections of any slope. I drop mine half an inch or more for flat tight singletrack.
  • 1 0
 @racerfacer dude those people take off two bolts on their discs a couple of grams matter to them
  • 5 0
 At the end of the day, we all want the same thing: a hardtail and a full suspension trail bike. And an enduro all-mountain bike. Plus a downhill bike. And a fat bike for the winter. And a dirt jumper for the pump track. Plus a BMX bike for if the dirt jumper has a flat. And a klunker because did you see that video? And a cyclocross bike in case we want to get into that in the future.

It's really just a question of what order we accumulate them and how many credit cards it takes.

It's time for mountain bikers to stop arguing over little things like rear suspension, so that we can come together and use our strength in numbers to bring down our true enemy: the Boost standard.
  • 4 0
 I have gone from a 2009 Marin 140mm suspension to a 2012 Ragley blue pig with a cross over of components. While I do enjoy the hardtail, it has made me realise that people who are 'hardtail' only and snub at full suspension bikes, are quite possibly the most miserable people out there. Riding a hardtail while being jolted everywhere can be quite jarring physically, as well the unforgivingness of messing up can mean a potential broken bone. Full suspension really does help you do more, and allow you to make mistakes and get away with them, while a hard tail is enjoyable on lesser on terrain it does force you to be more precise. Both have there places, and the advant of 27.5 is probably a good thing for everyone. Just ride your bike whatever and sometimes using appropriate tyres for different terrain!
  • 2 0
 Having both is the way to go if possible. HT is a great way to go when you find yourself with enough spare parts to build a whole 'nother bike: my HT only cost me $370 for a frame & second hand fork, as I had all the other parts already.
  • 5 0
 It came full circle for me. I learned on a hardtail, spent a few years on pretty aggressive trail bikes, now I'm really enjoying a hardtail with some aggressive geometry (Canfield N9.)
  • 5 2
 I have had 3 ninners in the past 7 years. Now I have two sixers and one 27.b I would like to see a true 29" wheel dh ride. I always felt my 9er wanted to go fast, but didnt like to turn. I have the same issue with my 27.b I have been mtbing since the 80s and it was actually 9er wheels that brought me back to the sport. I think though that I like 26 the best.
  • 3 0
 I have 2015 Trek Slash and a 2015 Kona Explosif (hardtail, non-stock build, 150mm fork, XT brakes and 1x10, Roam Wheels), both are 650b. I pretty much switch back and forth each day. The Slash is awesome on technical trails, really eats it up, great suspension design. The Kona is super-fast and responsive for charging on trail rides. Really dig them both.
  • 3 0
 I just got rid of my Stache for a Remedy, love both bikes. I know the hardtail feels faster, but even when taking the same lines on familiar trails, i'm faster on the Remedy by a couple minutes. How does the explosif feel with that much travel?
  • 1 0
 The Explosif feels great with with 150mm. It's a DT Swiss fork, i'll likely switch it to Pike though.
  • 3 0
 Both. Up until 4 weeks ago I was riding my reign x everywhere. Then it got stolen. I have a 2015 Reign in the mail, but whilst it finds its way here I've been riding my XCAMDJHT (small framed Scott aspect hardtail with a 150mm fork - I'm 6ft) which was built as a play bike for practicing jumps on, but now has a more serious role in being my only bike till the Reign arrives.

Man, is that thing FUN! Raw, whippet fast and unforgiving but soooo rewarding. Would no ride it all the time? No. I was completely broken afterwards. But it sure is staying in the quiver and will be coming out more often. Even thinking of using it in the next Enduro event we have down here.
  • 3 0
 I got rid of my FS to give my lower back relief. Was on a hard tail but now on a full suspension and honestly, for me it's perfect for me. I always knew that having a hard tail is a bit more efficient for climbing and XC style trails and the lack of pedal stroke energy loss is 0. So I got myself a Scott Genius that has the twin lock remote. Hard tail when I need it and full 150mm front and rear travel for the rougher stuff.
  • 3 0
 Raced a mini dh on Sunday and there was some quick guys there, a lot of different bikes etc! Fastest time of the day by a clear second or so was a mad man on his on one 45650b! Ht for the win but Im not mental like him so I'll stick with my fs trail bike thanks
  • 7 1
 Some excellent insights here. Nice article.
  • 7 2
 I own a dirt jumper and a trail/am/everything else bike. Both are singlespeed and both are hardtail.
  • 4 0
 ^ Legs of steel!
  • 3 1
 XCO racer perspective aside... Considering newbie riders have no skill, you're basically saying that a FS would be what best matches their ability for the "course" they will be on. I figure you'd need to have 10x the jet lag to find yourself down to their skill and fitness levels.

I actually agree with that idea, but there are other downsides to that. It's expensive, adds additional maintenance challenge, and complexity. Maybe they have a dropper post, lockouts, suspension dials, and pedals to get used to, on top of a flexible gear range to suit their fitness level and terrain. People budget too low when they start out. Cycling is really expensive, and being on crap masks the potential fun that riding has to offer. I imagine that I could lose all interest in riding if I were forced to ride crap. The main reasons I would agree is that the risk of injury is reduced, and they're less likely to make psychological walls in the form of virtually "insurmountable challenges", that will prevent them from feeling success. The anxiety that newbie riders get when they see something challenging is serious, and failing on it can create trauma that keeps them away, while success with a barely passing grade keeps them coming back, to improve on that.

When riders get the skills and fitness that makes things too easy for a FS (feeling of overkill), that's when you can go to a HT, or rigid, or singlespeed, to make things challenging again. Sad thing is, this is the opposite of what people intuitively think. With 10x the jet lag, would you even want to be out there on your bike, let alone a low end rigid that was recommended as a starter bike? IMO, they should use that money they used to *buy* a starter bike, to rent or "lease" a high end capable bike instead.
  • 3 0
 too tired to read all your drivel but I propped you anyway
  • 2 0
 I've just bought a production privee Shan , it is a MONSTER . This thing can handle almost any thing my full sus trail bike could. It eats up techy sections of trail like it's a full sus
  • 1 0
 As children, we didn't have suspension. Front or rear. That was a great starting point IMO. we had to be aware of everything in our path as we had nothing to soak up even the small stuff. Tyres and your body were the suspension of that day. Selling bikes, to parents for kids, I'd suggest fully rigid if they wanted to develop early skills. If that wasn't the focus, then buy with suspension for comfort and maybe a bit of safety and stability. But in the end having one bike is difficult as our riding has such a wide range
  • 6 1
 my next ht is a transition klunker
  • 5 0
 fantastic article, i really enjoyed and appreciated this!
  • 1 0
 I think it's a difficult one to call? A lot of it comes down to where you live, I think? Personally, a hard tail is great fun for the FC Trail Centres that are around here but, for everywhere else, I much prefer full sus. What I am sure of is that personal taste is the deciding factor on this one.
  • 2 0
 I see the advantages of both, however I still favor the full-suspensions. The traction of the rear wheel is such a huge benefit on both the descents and the rough climbs. That's just me though!
  • 1 0
 Honestly, coming from what I've seen of the WC XC corses while practicing for the downhills, I would ride a fully ridged with a dropper post. This is simply my opinion, & I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, but, those tracks are GNARLY, way too gnarly for me to feel comfortable riding down with my seat up my ass and an inverted 100mm stem. That's simply asking to go OTB. Hense the dropper post. I feel like the my ability to take aggressive lines, save energy, and attack the trail is way more dependent on where my seat is than having or not having 100mm of suspension. Let's just say I preffer to use the 5+ inches of suspension my legs would provide with a lowered seat than the 3 inches of suspension on the bike. Also sense I would feel more maneuverable, I feel I could do a better job taking creative lines to avoid the bumps to begin with. This would also keep my hands feeling fresh, and I'm a downhiller anyway so I'm use to dealing with arm pump so I don't think I'd get any to begin with
  • 1 0
 I personally have a difficult time putting up with the squish. I like to stand up and pedal hard and have all that energy transferred into forward motion. Fully's are fun, but even with lockout technology, a full suspension will never feel as responsive as I'd like.
  • 1 0
 There is full suspension with bearings and pivots, and then there's Catharine's super stiff race-grade carbon Orbea Oiz, which has no pivots, but does have a metal rod bearing point at the bottom of the seat stay. With her shock mounted in front of the seat stay, the bike behaves like a hardtail when she locks it out. This is not a comfortable bike by any means, and the sag is only 15%, but that's enough to keep the rear wheel digging into the ground on a climb when the shock is active.
www.bikerumor.com/2015/06/04/world-cup-xc-pro-bike-check-rainbow-orbea-oiz-of-world-champion-catharine-pendrel
  • 2 0
 Remember, this is the view of a pro racer and is meant for fast times over distance in race conditions .It has not much meaning elsewhere. She is the man to know!
  • 2 0
 Started on hardtail but after upgrading to a FS I haven't looked back. Don't get me wrong. Hardtails are fun, but FS is a lot more comfortable and easier to control.
  • 2 0
 FS all the way...even cars have suspension for the road. And when's the last time you seen a dirt bike hard tail?
  • 2 0
 Im having a blast on my new Hardtail, cant think that I had so much joy of riding a bike when I had a FS to be honest.
  • 1 0
 It all depends on what you are looking for in MTB. Just ride what you have and sometimes try different things. BUT you should ride MORE for sure.
  • 2 3
 Just yesterday I dropped a 3m drop in the woods on my DJ bike and flew over a 8m table. I put a front brake as I am retiring the Glory for a while. Hardtails are awesome! Because this will be the bike of choice, a MTX39 is now in the back, mated to a Holy Roller, it's going to be a great summer!
  • 3 0
 So.... Right tool for the right job then? Check.
  • 1 0
 IF I had 2 bikes, they'd both still be full sussers.

Something like a Tallboy/Spearfish/Thunderbolt/Camber, and an Enduro/Range/Slash.
  • 1 1
 the descents in Czech were "gravity fed" but the descents in Germany were fed by some other physical force? What is this "gravity fed", sounds like we need a feeding of reality check! Let's just get fed.
  • 2 1
 ok, I can see if the descents are too gradual then you will have to pedal down the descent and it is no longer only "gravity fed" but also "pedal fed"...but I might argue that that is not a real descent but merely a "trail", "traverse", "downslope", "section"..etc
  • 1 2
 Ride them both and decide.. I personally hate HT's, they beat me to death and I feel less in control. As soon as I got out of my first hardtail 13 yrs ago I was so much happier. Telling someone to start out on a hardtail makes no sense unless thats what that individual person feels better on. Why don't we recommend beginners start on rigid forks while were at it. Todays suspension platforms are amazing.
  • 2 0
 Anyone ridden such a rough section on a ht their forearms were itching when they got to the bottom?
  • 1 0
 Yes ,and how about a sore rear when seated through braking bumps?
  • 2 0
 That's why you stand...
  • 1 0
 ^+1
  • 2 0
 Every time I see an XC pro I can't stop thinking about how extremely lean they look. I'm sorry but they look hungry.
  • 2 2
 Meh. Hardtails. I started on one because there was no other choice. My kids started on dual suspension and they are just pure rippers. No more hardtails for me...oh wait, I still ride a hardtail...on the road on my commute!
  • 1 2
 Oops accidentally positive propped... Sorry
  • 1 0
 I find that it's much easier to be your own "Traction Control System" with an FS on steep, slow climbs. It's easier to spin the rear wheel and stall out on a hardtail.
  • 3 1
 Hardtail all day,every day, go hard, have fun.
  • 5 4
 Fat hardtail 4life! Bought one in the fall of last year and haven't stopped riding it since!
  • 2 1
 So, you had no life before last year?

just kidding, they look fun. like a moped.
  • 2 1
 I've ridden it all man and these thing rock. All power to the ground-no squish
  • 2 2
 I feel that anyone can truck down a technical section on a FS, but it takes true skill to maintain speed while choosing your lines on the fly with a HT...
  • 1 1
 It takes a lot of skill even with a fs, look at fort William this weekend, some made it look easy and some showed just how hard it was
  • 1 0
 Hard tail or fs, I want to learn how the fast folk descend so quickly without a dropper!
  • 1 0
 from zero to hero, from HT to 200mm, but still in love with HT, HT is like home, you must not forget...
  • 1 0
 everything's been said... ride a freaking hardtail if you haven't done so....
  • 2 0
 What took you so long?
  • 2 0
 Yeah Kika
  • 2 2
 Bullshit on the 650B. You either roll with it, or you lose spons, simple as that & that's the only reason you switched.
  • 1 2
 Oops accidentally positive propped...
  • 1 0
 Klunckin! Suspension nuff said....
  • 4 4
 8 inches in my rear, no homo...
  • 2 2
 Hardtail freeride. A bike for everything.
Below threshold threads are hidden







Copyright © 2000 - 2024. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved.
dv42 0.050595
Mobile Version of Website