Spotted: Brendog's Prototype Scott Gambler - Crankworx Rotorua 2016

Mar 10, 2016 at 4:13
by Olly Forster  
Far from flying under the radar on his new bike, Brendan Fairclough was flying over it during the whip-off world championships earlier this week at Crankworx Rotorua. But the eagle-eyed amongst you will have undoubtedly spotted something unusual about Brendan's latest Scott Gambler. While we've become accustomed to seeing the likes of Brendan and Neko Mulally sporting unusual linkages on their bikes at the World Cups, the linkage in question here is however completely new and as yet unseen, at least outside of Scott's inner circle. While information is thin on the ground, we can make some educated guesses based on Fraser's photos...

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While the first iteration of the current Gambler design that we all know had a heightened progressive curve built into the linkage, the engineers backed it off a touch when they went to the 650b platform, opting instead for a more 'linear feel'. They did this for you and me and not for the likes of Brendan and Neko. Those boys hit things harder than most and do so at warp speed, so their needs are on another level, welcoming a more progressive suspension curve. This has so far been achieved through a series of custom linkages that have been used over the past two seasons and all of which, looked nothing like this one...

So why a coil shock and not the new Float X2 Air option, which was favoured last year? Air shocks naturally ramp up towards the end of their stroke, while a coil shock is pretty linear throughout - the advantage for a DH bike running an air shock, aside from their low weight and heightened adjustability, is adding further progression to a linkage design that has a more linear curve. A shock like the Float X2 also allows the use of spacers to further tune that progressive feel. Granted, small bump sensitivity is a minor sacrifice from coil to air, but then the Float X2 is well known for its 'coil-like' feel. A DH bike that works better with a coil shock - more often than not - tends to have the progressive element of its ride feel, built directly into its make-up through its pivot locations and overall linkage dimensions.

Prototype Scott Gambler
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Comparing this new linkage against that of a 2016 production Gambler, it looks as if the linkage element that connects the swingarm to the shock has completely changed while the rest remains very similar. The shock - now sitting lower in the linkage - is also accompanied by what looks like two additional eyelets, one for the shock and perhaps another that could be for the linkage. We can only hypothesise at this stage, but it's fair to suggest that this would allow Brendan and the team to further alter and fine tune the Gambler's suspension kinematics and even its geometry (with just a few tools) depending on trail conditions. The addition of the DHX2 Coil would also suggest that this new linkage has a more progressive curve built into it allowing him to jump to the coil option without needing the progressivity of the air.

Scott Gambler 2016 production linkage detail
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As you can see from the image to the left - the production linkage supports the upper part of the shock, which is located further above the lower linkage than the proto - it could even be a shorter shock? The swingarm (interestingly still alloy even though they had carbon ones on the World Cups last year - see above) and lower linkage, however, still 'look' very much the same, although we'd need to verify that to be certain. With a rumoured XL size option on the way, perhaps a new linkage wouldn't be a jump into the unthinkable for 2017?

Brendog Leg steez
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111 Comments
  • 254 5
 love the fact that the clearest shots are from brendog doing a whip
  • 48 0
 Apparently that's how he wears the anno off his saint cranks so quickly.
  • 27 1
 I wonder why he lets the saddle that far extended for a whip contest.
  • 19 10
 @SickEdit - that is a good material for a meme, since Enduro riders absolutely must have 150mm dropper posts and whine for even more travel. Because they shred the sickest gnar, so bloody hard.
  • 7 3
 That's how he liked it. Still whips bigger them all of us. Bike setup is mostly personal preference
  • 25 0
 maybe he forgot his allen key
  • 6 78
flag caste1200 (Mar 10, 2016 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 the gambler will always be a shit bike no matter what you try to do
  • 15 1
 @SickEdit The problem with the gambler and the voltage FR is the slack seat angle which does not allow for low saddle height without tire rubbing when bottoming out.
  • 12 4
 Sintra, we can take many different race bikes of top pros and vast majority of them run the seat high. Yes even those on bikes that don't SAG that much into the rear. Pick any "bike check" article from a DH world cup. Before i got a dropper I used to ride my Nomad with seat middle way. Worked excellent. For instance some people say that you need to drop the saddle to make good wheelies and manuals. They come from many places and ride different bikes but the thing they have in common is that they can't do wheelies and manuals.
  • 12 0
 fast dudes have their seats higher than you
  • 7 0
 Serious question why do they run their seats that high? Is it just for the pedaling sections or do they use the seat to control the bike? I noticed Sam Hill, Gwin and Brendog especially run their seats high.
  • 8 0
 Arnold, it's for control. You can push on the saddle with your thigh to aide in turning, especially when it's steep
  • 21 7
 @caste1200 I think you are confused kid. The Gambler is a shit bike, because you are a shit rider. Even as hard as you try, you will always be a shit rider. Thats on you, and you alone. Your shit riding has no effect on the rest of us. Like none. At all.
  • 3 2
 Yes the pros do run the saddle high but EVEN if you wanted to run the saddle low on those bikes you couldn't due to the Slack seat angle (unless you use an offset seatpost the OTHER way round).
  • 4 7
 you can cut a seatpost
  • 1 0
 yeah the scott gamblers have a really low top tube and seat mast. Ive built a couple of those up and if you try to slam the seat it buzzs on the tire
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I’d just like to say that I drop my seat like lower than the floor(ya get the point) I can also wheelie a good 3 miles like that as well
  • 80 1
 Fortunately Brendan lifted his leg so they could take a sweet photo of that bike.
  • 5 0
 We have a winner!
  • 60 0
 that's the dog in him
  • 78 4
 Most confusing looking single pivot.
  • 42 3
 its a toss up with evil i think
  • 14 2
 what i said exactly when it first came out. its like a million points between point A to point B. still a single pivot
  • 30 2
 Imagine you're using a wrench to loosen a nut. Now imagine, for whatever reason, you wanted the wrench to lengthen or shorten as you turned the nut effectively increasing or decreasing your torque. I feel like this is what the Scott and Evil, actually most linkage driven single pivots accomplish. As the bike goes through its travel the leverage acting on the shock changes. Combine that with tuning the shock itself and a 'single pivot' suddenly becomes very complex and limitless in ride characteristic possibilities.
  • 18 15
 Really not a fan on the way that bike looks. Just way too much going on in the middle of the frame.
  • 24 30
flag rossfr (Mar 10, 2016 at 13:05) (Below Threshold)
 Not really a fan of America but I bet you think its great #scott2luvit
  • 34 3
 Single pivots are like hot chicks - some guys simply never rode one...
  • 4 0
 I personally found Lapierre's Pendbox to be pretty confusing. What the hell is happening at the BB??

fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/downhill-freeride/621292d1308612702-lapierre-dh-720-lapierre.jpg
  • 1 2
 Looks like their take on the idrive
  • 5 1
 @ScandiumRider im gonna take a guess and say its keep the distance from the bottom bracket to the mech the same through the travel
  • 4 0
 Funny thing this design doesn't use more or less bearings than a comparable horst link. Its just rearranged differently that gives the impression of more pivots and bearings.
  • 2 0
 Yup. Agreed Rossfr. Constant distance between BB and rear axle. Less chain growth on a high pivot bike.. Without using an chain idler pulley... It looks awful to me though...
  • 2 2
 @rossfr I will have to agree with you. The best part of the us is hawaii, which they stole cause theyre big bully's.
  • 2 0
 "The Scissor Lift"
  • 61 3
 Scott, keeping ball bearing manufacturers in business
  • 11 0
 Funny thing this design doesn't use more or less bearings than a comparable horst link. Its just rearranged differently that gives the impression of more pivots and bearings.
  • 7 0
 Yeah, it has the same amount of bearings as DW-Link, VPP, Horst, linkage driven Single Pivot...
  • 1 2
 I think the point is that VPP, DW and Horst all provide distinct features because 4 bearing sets (plus bushing for the shock) translate into unique wheel path characteristics. In the case of a single pivot, the wheel path is fixed and the leverage ratios could be tuned in the shock easily. A single pivot with OEM tuned shock could use 1 set of bearings and ride identically.

Be honest, every company has to come up with their "look" for a suspension layout. In this case Scott went with "very complicated looking single pivot". If the geo is handled well, I'm sure it rides like a heavy single pivot.
  • 25 1
 Scott's marketing department is the best in the world. Others take note: this is how you present the new bike. Clear shots, and none of that studio photoshoot nonsense involved Big Grin - he even takes the leg away to show everything.
  • 12 0
 Scott should have every model of bike that they make photographed like this. Yes, that means carbon time trial bikes, hybrids, etc.
  • 7 0
 I'm in love with my one, SCOTT is putting single pivot in another level. I remember in 2010 when I bought my first Intense m6 and than I met the VPP, for every new bike I had (M6 > 951 > M9) I definitely think VPP was the bestest suspension platform, than an opportunity makes me change for 2014 gambler, and for my surprise, it was totally different from another 'single pivot' bikes... I'm really in love with this suspension kinematics and feel while riding.
  • 1 0
 Single pivot is quite impressive! I had a Wilson and now I have a GT, both completely different bikes, and both single pivot!
  • 9 0
 Hi! Just want to add more info to this thread, and share my linkage analysis of Gambler 2016 suspension. Bye Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGnjKjLYh0M
  • 4 0
 Your YouTube channel is awesome, keep the good work up! Smile
  • 3 0
 Thanks for your work Andre.
  • 2 0
 Looks like the openings in the linkage are slots, to make gradual changes to the shock mount angle and upper pivot angle, maybe to try slight geo or progression changes with that shock or even as a prep for a totally different shock. Definitely a lot going on there, with all the leverage transfers you would think they could do a much shorter shock but it must be super linear. Obviously not too worried about weight.

Those pedals are incredible- they are almost invisible from the side with so much material machined away, but they must be strong enough to handle landings form the stratosphere.. anybody know what they are?
  • 4 0
 DMR brendogs I think
  • 2 0
 dmr vault brendog edition
  • 1 0
 I'm digging them. Pedals are usually way down the list of things that catch the eye on these bikes, but those are exceptional.
  • 6 1
 big hits obviously not a problem. Man he high... he higher than a dirt jumper on a rainy day
  • 2 0
 Am i seeing things?? or is dat linkage at the top of the shock and 2nd from top seems have double HOLE? or it can move around to change the shock rebound or change the geometry? no?
  • 12 0
 Those words that are close to the pictures talk about just that. You should try them sometime!
  • 1 0
 But what about the rear axle... looks like you can run longer or shorter chainstay by about 15mm as well? Or are my eyes playing tricks on me? Did the old gambler do that?
  • 1 0
 Yes chainstay length is adjustable on this generation of the Gambler.
  • 1 0
 So I am almost certain that is the same bike that had the microsoft word font downtube, I can't remember the name though, it was like creative apex or something like that. I know its not that uncommon for this to happen to due to the main manufacturing industry being centered in one place.
  • 4 0
 Mention bearings for a guaranteed response from carfreak2000
  • 3 0
 Looks like next year might be when I update my 14. Love the gambler and don't want any other bike than a newer model.
  • 1 0
 @mixmastamikal Sold mine a few years ago... but I swear if I get the opportunity to get a DH rig again.. theres only one bike I will turn to!
  • 4 0
 nac nac whos there brendan fairclough
  • 4 1
 It's the very definition of over engineered single pivot, but it works.
  • 3 1
 Funny thing this design doesn't use more or less bearings than a comparable horst link. Its just rearranged differently that gives the impression of more pivots and bearings.
  • 3 1
 I was jokingly hoping they'd make it more complicated. Was not disappointed.
  • 3 1
 Why make it simple, when you can make it a mess?
  • 4 0
 Funny thing this design doesn't use more or less bearings than a comparable horst link. Its just rearranged differently that gives the impression of more pivots and bearings.
  • 3 0
 I literally touched this exact bike at Crankworx
  • 1 0
 No matter how cool or new the linkage is, it's sad/fitting to say it won't turn anyone into that level of professional rider.
  • 3 1
 Good spot pinkbike : 240mm eye to eye shock confirmed by measurements
  • 2 1
 That proto looks great! It's great to see how Scott has progressed over the years
  • 1 0
 No place for water bottle cage..... Scott just forgot about Blocking point of 2016....
  • 1 0
 did anyone else noticed that Brendan is no more on DT Swiss ?
  • 1 0
 Where can I get a bike scott just like that to import to Brazil?
  • 1 0
 Where is the FLOAT X2 brendog ??? :X
  • 1 0
 As article said, the new linkage could have a more progressive feel, or more 'ramp up' if you like, therefore shock with less ramp up can compensate for that, meaning the coil shock comes into play. However, for a super ramped up feel, the float could be used as well. Whatever your preference is or makes you go faster.
  • 1 0
 I know of some suspension companies who think all progression should be derived from shock behavior rather than linkage behavior, but man, some of the best feeling bikes I've ever ridden have been progressive linkages on as linear as possible shocks.
  • 2 1
 And still, a little Taniwha cries....
  • 1 0
 Why his left crank so polished? Rightone looks fine
  • 1 0
 I think it's because he rides left foot forward
  • 2 0
 Whips bro, whips for days.
  • 2 1
 Quick, kill it before it lays eggs.
  • 1 0
 Neko is running this at the downhill southeast series as well
  • 1 0
 that pedals so sick!!!
  • 1 1
 Looks neater that the production linkage
  • 6 7
 All i see are bearings...eventually creaking bearings everywhere..
  • 12 0
 It has the same # of bearings as most other bikes...
  • 4 3
 Funny thing this design doesn't use more or less bearings than a comparable horst link. Its just rearranged differently that gives the impression of more pivots and bearings.
  • 3 0
 @carfreak2000 are you a parrot by any chance?
  • 2 5
 Great design but the flaw is in the linkage as now you have more wear and tear on it witch means the bike is going to cost a lot for repair and up keep
  • 5 0
 really it doesn't it has 3 pairs of bearings thats lasted all full year and a half of racing and riding in the uk
  • 2 1
 That's some light riding I was replacing bearings every 6 the race
  • 2 1
 You racing once every 2 years?
  • 6 8
 Put some carbon that bitaaach!
  • 4 0
 do you mean pistache?
  • 2 2
 Not going to happen. Scott philosophy is to make bikes that last not uber light race bike that break every other race. Plus it means you won't see a €10000 gambler anytime soon!
  • 2 5
 no differnece really haha
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