Evil Undead - Pinkbike's Exclusive First Look

Apr 7, 2011
by Julian Coffey  
Evil launched its Revolt DH bike with huge fanfare in 2009 and while it was a promising performer, the aluminum framed racer had reliability issues from the outset. Kevin Walsh and the Evil crew faced a two-sided battle as they fought with the factory to address faulty construction, and tried in vain to fulfill customer warranty issues with replacement parts that simply didn't exist. That which doesn't kill you, certainly makes you stronger and to their credit, Evil rebounded with a new factory and a ground-up redesign - a mind-blowing carbon fiber frame aptly named: "the Undead." We caught up with Kevin and got the exclusive story on Evil's carbon reincarnation.

  Nigel Quarless and Kevin Walsh collab for the MS/Evil 2011 World Cup graphics

 Kevin, it's been 2 years since the Revolt. Tell us about Evil's turnaround and the development of this new rig?

Well it's been 18 long shitty months, battling a factory, misalignments, crap welding, delivery problems, warranties, personnel changes, insomnia, ulcers, rumours and a few catastrophes. We thought this day would never come, it almost didn't, but we wrestled Fedex into submission and Luke Strobel and I picked it up at the airport and ripped it out of the box like kids on Christmas morning. It may not have been the Millenium Falcon, but it was certainly a space ship of sorts. The Fedex staff was laughing at us, we must have looked crazy shredding this box to pieces, but they could tell by the look on all of our faces that it was something special, even though they had no idea what this carbon fiber space ship looking thing was. We packed up into Luke's truck and headed back to the office to measure things up and assemble it with the help of our good friend Zeb from Big Tree Bikes so we could inaugurate it at the TMC trails over the next few days. It was hard to believe it was here and we would be riding it in just a few hours. Excitement got the best of us. The inauguration began prematurely on the staircase at the office and was followed with some late-night cutty's on the streets of downtown Seattle.


 It must have felt like some sort of baptism by fire - to be riding an all-new carbon design after suffering in aluminum factory hell?

All of us were freaking out, as it had been a long time since we had seen an Evil frame, not to mention a carbon one that was straight and actually assembled with little to no effort. This really marked the start of Evil 2.0 and We are proud to finally show you a small glimpse of the future with our full-carbon Undead DH frame. This will be the first of many full suspension carbon offerings over the coming months, it replaces the recent Revolt and has been renamed the Undead for obvious reasons...

  Moulded under intense pressure, raw unidirectional composite fibers can look a bit weird when not covered. A thick clear coat ensures you see a ton of lay-up detail.

 Did you take the opportunity to make any significant changes in the suspension or geometry?

We decided to go back to our original non-floating shock design and lower the center of mass by flipping the shock orientation. We also upgraded the Delta System linkage to a double-shear arrangement with a high-load spherical bearing developed by Enduro, which replaces the composite bushing system found on the Revolt. We spent the last year working closely with Hodaka's engineering team to develop this frame. This is the first of many prototypes that we will be testing in preparation for the 2011 Worldcup season.


 Why carbon vs aluminum, especially in light of past aluminum build history? How long has this been in development?

In 2008 we had originally planned to start with a carbon Revolt, but it seemed too far out of reach and we didn't have a relationship with a reputable carbon vendor at the time. When we began working with Hodaka last summer, it made perfect sense - and the timing was right, as we had been working on the design since early 2010.

For us carbon makes a lot of sense, the nature of of the Delta System puts the shock with an offset to the non drive side presenting some interesting clearance challenges, as the linkage is quite compact and in close proximity to the down tube and shock. We really liked the control and consistency that you can achieve with carbon, and it allows us to fine tune flex and stiffness in specific areas of our frames to get the perfect ride. The other reasons are obvious, weight, strength, and you can make really cool shapes.


 What is the expected production?

Hodaka mfg will be handling our production and we couldn't be in better hands. During our first visit to the factory I was reassured that we could truly continue the Evil business. After touring several of their facilities I was amazed at their attention to detail and the quality they consistantly produce. I knew we had aligned ourselves with the best possible partner to produce these frames.

 Pricing and frame weight?

Pricing will be similar to what the Revolt was. With regard to weight, the first test bikes have been almost too light, we will release formal weights in the next installment when we have done further testing and have a clear picture of what the production weight will be. You will just have to speculate until then...


 Can we get some details about the warranty that comes with the Undead?

It comes with our standard 2-year warranty, unlike the past this will include actually being able to get a warranty frame in the event you might need one. Current Evil customers with pending Revolt warranty cases will be issued Undead frames as warranties for their Revolts when production is ready.


 Aluminum for Carbon? Very big move. When should customers expect to be able to take advantage?

We're hoping to start with replacements come summer 2011. And all warranty issues can go through the LBS or Evil directly.


 Who can we expect to see on the Undead this year?

Cam Zink and the MS/Evil Worldcup team Brook Macdonald, Luke Strobel, Filip Polc, Wyn Masters and Markus Pekol, in addition Markus Stockl will be attempting to break his speed record again.


 Info about geometry adjustments?

Geometry adjustments are made simple via our Flipchip and adjustable head tube systems. A redesigned Delta linkage makes for quick and easy geometry adjustments as well as simple maintenance. Additional linkage kits will be available changing the travel from 205mm to 216mm with an extra progressive suspension curve.

Steep F/Steep R - HA-64.5 BB- 14.1/358.5mm WB -45.71/1161.2 mm CS - 438mm/17.2" 440mm/17.3" SA 63.5/62.9 HT height - 125mm
Steep F/Slack R - HA-64.0 BB-13.83/351.5mm WB- 45.81/1163.7mm CS - 438mm/17.2" 440mm/17.3" SA 63.5/62.9 HT height - 125mm
Slack F/Steep R - HA-63.5 BB- 13.9/ 355.2mm WB- 46.31/1176.3mm CS - 438mm/17.2" 440mm/17.3" SA 63.5/62.9 HT height - 125mm
Slack F/Slack R - HA-62.9 BB- 13.7/348.2mm WB- 46.40/1178.7mm CS - 438mm/17.2" 440mm/17.3" SA 63.5/62.9 HT height - 125mm

SM: Reach: 363mm Stack: 600mm TT 22.63"/22.75"/575/578mm FC 27.70"/703.73mm
MD: Reach: 383mm Stack: 600mm TT 23.42"/23.54"/595/598mm FC 28.49"/723.72mm
LG: Reach: 403mm Stack: 600mm TT 24.01"/24.13"/610/613mm FC 29.08"/738.72mm
XL: Reach: 418mm Stack: 600mm TT 24.80"/24.92"/630/633mm FC 29.87"/758.71mm


 Feature breakdown?

• Full carbon front/rear triangle
• Redesigned 7075 double shear Delta linkage with Enduro Spherical bearings
• Integrated fork bumper and cable guide
• IS brake standard
• Removable ISCG05 tab
• Integrated headset ( no headset tools here, just drop the bearings in and go! )
• Internal headset adjustment via eccentric cups
• Integrated removable carbon fender
• Integrated removable Downtube protector
• Integrated removable Downtube shuttle guard
• Rubber chainstay protector not shown


  Luke Strobel taking the Undead's virginity









Look for the full exclusive Pinkbike story on Evil's return from hell.

All photos by Colin Meagher - check him out here.

NOTE: Pinkbike will be getting their hands on the first Evil Undead, and rest assured that we will put it through our hellish testing. Stay Tuned. What are your thoughts on this beast?


332 Comments

  • 163 0
 Thanks for the props, we had our hands tied for a long time with our last factory waiting on production and warranty frames that never showed up. So we had to keep quiet, but here is the beginning of the new line and a new Evil. We spent a lot of time on this frame and she's testing really well so far. Too bad 300+ crooked Revolts are sitting in Taiwan that will never get ridden. Cheers and lot's more info coming soon
  • 69 1
 Hey, i'll have one of the crooked alu ones, you know, if they're non-sellable and all...

:P
  • 6 0
 same here!
  • 26 1
 Lol, they are over 25mm out at the rear axle.. Beautiful bookend though
  • 6 1
 What are you guys actually going to do with them? That's a lot of metal.
  • 2 0
 Very Very nice ! Hope it'll be strong !
  • 50 0
 No idea... the factory doesn't answer the phone... Maybe we can do a rescue mission...haha
  • 19 132
flag pperini (Apr 7, 2011 at 3:35) (Below Threshold)
 am i the only one seeing carbon geting life on dh rigs and thinking "oh good please stop them before its too late!"...??
  • 91 3
 why pperini? Carbon, if made right is as strong as any other material? Why are the best super cars made from CF? Formula one cars are all CF near enough, and modern fighter jets and passenger airlines are CF? Its a strong, versatile, light weight and tunable material. Its disastrous if used wrong but if used right, there is zero wrong with it.

And more importantly, it makes sexy looking bikes.
  • 5 0
 I'll have one for my wall.
  • 7 1
 Give ya 50 quid for a crooked Revolt? lol
  • 18 0
 that is a stunning bike and you say the old ones that are in the factory are only good for use as bookends? hmm i have some books that need propping up Smile
  • 6 0
 one of those crooked frames would make a good mantle piece display Razz
  • 3 2
 Yeah, i WANT an EVIL REVOLT the smaller size please....if u guys want my adress to send send a msg to my pinkbike profile....
  • 9 0
 Sick! Can't wait to see something more trail/AM oriented roll out.
  • 13 0
 im currently designing a coffee table in metal work. i think a revolt frame would make a great base.
  • 95 26
 I really hope when this carbon thing is over and companies run out of ideas for the quest for ultimate rider perfomance enhancement by technological solutions (which is retarded at the core) they will discover the bamboo as the material of the future... or cow poo as alternative to epoxy, dunno. Whatever that is not a catastrophicaly expensive making a simple sport even more exclusive sport... A ton of rice costs 700$ - am I the only one seeing this sport going to total geeky madness?!

We laugh at golfers or sailors "you have to be dressed in a special way to be a member of the club you know, v-neck pullovers, hehe" - MTB gets even worse! race pyjamas, huge sunglasses, bikes for prices you can buy a house in Costa Rica, from materials you can either kill half of Great Reef or build a rocket to the moon... 3d GoPRo - make an even bigger facebook pimp prick out of yourself... this gets out of control.
  • 17 0
 no i definatly think mountain biking is turning into a style contest. what ever happen to just riding in shorts and a tee? carbon is currently at $300 a kilo. in the next 7 years or so it is estimated to come down to $12 a kilo. so you better get used to carbon bikes.
  • 26 46
flag WAKIdesigns (Apr 7, 2011 at 6:42) (Below Threshold)
 I believe stockmarket guys as much as atheists that we go nowhere after we die. Especially when they talk about prices going down buehehe. I mean if some investment bank is about to open huge manufacturing in Kongo, Nigeria or any other place where slaves can be shot as soon as they slow down a bit with work then I believe them. Chinese are getting richer so they want higher and higher life and working place standards, so the costs will go up. Then people in India have much more freedom and they are getting really pixxed off and protest. Just as South America. Then we in better world don't want to pollute our own living and working places so this prediction is highly questionable to me. We have so high (humanitary?) working standards at least in Europe that it's gonna be double so expensive to produce them (or that will be the fair priceWink . Ahhh maybe robots on the moon?

I would say: you like exclusive luxury toys - buy them ASAP... they will get even more expensive especially as we burn bridges behind us...
  • 9 0
 I like how companies are making their frames more sleek and compact every year. beautiful bike great work evil.
  • 2 0
 HAHAHAAAAA I was waiting for it!!!!! =D
  • 22 1
 WAKI, you have some valid points. The AdBusters anti-big corporate bullsh*t side of me totally agrees with you... but the geeky tech side revels in newer, lighter, stronger everything, even if it is more expensive. I try to stay roots and just go out to have a good time. I rode my last bike for close to 6 years before upgrading. I don't get new riding clothes every year, and I ride in baggy shorts or board shorts and whatever non-cotton t-shirt is handy. Still, I love seeing new technology, and I won't be satisfied until every part on my bike is top of the line. This new Evil whip is SICK!
  • 3 8
flag Nyson098 (Apr 7, 2011 at 7:14) (Below Threshold)
 is there any possible way to fixe the crooked revolt?
  • 47 0
 Hit it with a large hammer repeatedly.
  • 1 5
flag Nyson098 (Apr 7, 2011 at 7:22) (Below Threshold)
 well i was gonna ask if it was the rear triangle that was out cause i could just buy a new one
  • 23 7
 WAKI - if you don't like these hot, new, light, well designed Evil bikes, I'm sure there are plenty of '04 Kona Stinkys in the Buy/Sell for the price of a small farm in Indonesia. As soon as innovation stops, the exclusivity of the sport dies and soon downhill becomes irrelevant.

Sweet bike, Evil! I hope there will be one at the GRT this weekend!
  • 31 9
 "As soon as innovation stops, the exclusivity of the sport dies and soon downhill becomes irrelevant" - dude you nailed it... buehehe man I wouldn't say it better, that was my point Big Grin

sorry I'm of a weak faith and I think very little of certain riders, and yes I'm sure they woud stop riding if "sport becomes irrelevant". Hard to impress with something irrelevant. Precisly kind of people I would rather not meet on trails Big Grin Because the real tuffs will stick to what they do, because they have other things in MTB to find "relevant" than a bunch of tech toys. Someone riding a bike to really enrich himself with that activity can have fun with a stiffie stinger.

will become irrelevant - bueheheh, squeeze the arsehole of the hype long enough and the crap will start coming out buehehe
  • 4 0
 I would love to hang one of those crooked revolts on my wall. If you do end up getting them, I would gladly pay shipping to get one, please let us know. And the Undead is quite beautiful, great work.

Oh, and is the Sect ever going into production?
  • 2 0
 If I had the money I would buy one straight away just from the looks but I would have to test one first Its one of the nicest looking bikes out there easily my top 5
  • 23 0
 @WAKI - We all have different agendas. Mine is to race against cocky, showboating Americans. I'm guessing yours is to ride trails that aren't occupied by a*sholes. I get it. I think we can each find what we're looking for without being negatively affected by Evil's new carbon bicycle.
  • 9 1
 Kevin (Evil) Welcome back and here's to competition! Much respect to you! Stoked to finally see this bad boy!
  • 9 1
 Im only slightly sceptical. I agree carbon is very strong, but if you want a frame to last you 6 years and still be able to sell it on, carbon is not great. carbon fibre for DH racing guys, who want to shave tenths off their time - fine. but for the weekend warriors - no way. one crash into a sharp rock and its GAME OVER. shit. i just lost the game. love this bike to, its sexc
  • 4 1
 Yah, RaleighVoid said exactly what i was gonna say. For road bikes its great, its unbeatable, but for downhill if you chip off the clear-coat you have compromised that area of your frame. If you go into my pics and look at my demo you would notice that most of my frame would be compromised! There is almost no spot tht hasnt been chipped lol
  • 2 1
 Yes but you have to take care of your bike... Then it won't brake Wink
  • 2 0
 I would love to buy a crooked frame for cheap. I could make some art out of it.
  • 6 0
 @ Waki: I dont get your state of mind, as i can see from your Avatar, you work (and live i guess) in the creative sector. But you are against the progression in this Sport? Ok Innovation is always expensive but I dont worry that our Sport becomes a Yuppie thing (or how do you want to call it, my english sucks :-)), at least the skills made you a good rider, it doesnt count on Carbon Bikes or whatever. I`m Happy that the progression is going on (i still ride a 2001 Santa Cruz Bullit and i`ll ride it till it cracks), cause thats the way it goes, there is no invention where people say: Thats It! We can nothing make better!. Just my 2 Cents...
  • 3 2
 such a nice bike, i dont understand why they have gone through all this trouble to make it as light as possible, then put 40's on the front, why not use boxxers, just as good and lighter
  • 7 5
 @Philler: I just got to a point when I thought that what we have right now is simply more than enough. It's more that there should be. We separated ourselves so much from the nature that going further is just doing ourselves one big disgrace... progression can happen with simple things, like wide bars but we don't need to go to space science technology, like new coating on RS Boxxer... who's gonna get "happy" with that? And my avatar hehehe... I used to have Eric Cartman there Wink

And in general I just enjoy polluting the neoliberal way of thinking Smile buy more stuff to be free and happy - I like to pollute that ideology as it pollutes the planet and peoples lives so effectively.I have nothing special against Evil bikes specificaly nor any other company I like to poo on. Ok few deserve real smashing but we'll get to them later as they release their 2012 products on Sea Otter, I'll give them some tongue lashing Big Grin

After reading Jerry Manger, "In the Absence of the Sacred", technology feels... different
  • 1 0
 As Dumb as it will sound for you there is never enough, i share the the "never change a running system" Philosophy but progression is the Engine that makes things better in every sector. You might think that things get worse and worst but the thing is there is a positive direction. I grow up in the socialistic part of Germany, i know that my happiness depends not on my material stuff :-) I think if we take care of our ecological Footprints we can go on like that and still be some of the luckiest guys on Earth. Dont hate on the Industrie you will not live without them...
  • 3 0
 i'll have the front triangle of the knackered one and use it for the most expensive noise maker going...
  • 3 0
 What ?
  • 2 0
 "the first bikes were TOO LIGHT" can i please have one of these so that I can pedal up AND rip down with huge downhill suspendies please?

Thanks
  • 1 0
 Wauw !! been waiting for sooooo long for some info on this bike, was totally stoked on the Revolt, but ever since i heard about the undead i've been seaching the web for some info Wink Ship one my way as soon as they are available, pretty plz
  • 1 0
 so Evil-bikes is there any way that you could fix the crooked revolt? I am interested in taking one of those. might make a good frame to fix or for show. Smile
  • 1 0
 Dang 300+ ... maybe you should have an ultra mega give away... that would be cool, just let everyone know they werent made right.. lol i got my doubts anything like that would ever happen, but what r u guys actually going to do with them..?
  • 5 0
 turn all the reject ones into snow bikes. problem solved
  • 1 0
 ^ i like that idea.....
  • 3 0
 if you didn't read the comment at the top by evil bikes, they are still at the factory. and when they call the factory they won't even pick up the phone. they would have to make a rescue mission to get them back. orrrrr the factory is under water. so if you camp at the beach for the next few weeks you might just be able to pick one up Wink
  • 2 1
 So yeah sucks about the frames! This bikes is dead sex, so it will make up fro the lost bikes. It just looks solid feelingSmile Low center of gravity, from what i can see in these sexy raw carbon photos! I think i found my next DH race bike! So how much are you hoping to sell these sexy carbon bikes for complete like you have above? Also please update your website to have this sexy bike up for public viewing, just make sure you block larscha-nasfr, he might be asking for a lot of new computers.
Great job, always glad to see real engineering and passion in bikes! Keep this up and you could rival santa cruz.
  • 3 1
 I wish that WAKIdesigns guy would just chill out with all the theology BS...Evil has designed a nice and desirable product, prop to them, and carbon is the future as the manufacturing cost drop....Get over it, as no one else cares.
  • 2 1
 i liked the old frames but this one made me jizz!!
  • 2 0
 I'm sure that loads of old Revolts will 'mysteriously' start to crack now they know you can get a new carbon one on warranty. Wink
  • 6 0
 ^^ This arguement annoys me. Sure its really cool to have a nice bike, something to make you smile everytime you wheel it out the shed, but it doesn't have to be a carbon fibre zillion pound spaceship.In the end, when your riding, your having far too much fun to care what your bike looks like or what its made of.

Buy a bike, and ride it.
  • 1 2
 Why can't I come up with such sentences like Rob-Chapman... I have this disgression gland turned on all the time. Good on Rob Wink
  • 1 0
 Good point, but, all these different methods of contruction and materials used all ride differently, cast, carbon, alu, steel....there's a fairly long list but they all ride uniquely, but if you have spent that much on a bike you know that rides good, you want it to look sweet as fuck.
  • 1 0
 I'm only saying that people will break their old Revolts to get a new one? And yeah i agree with what your saying as long as it has wheels bobs your uncle.
  • 2 0
 hope your waranty will be better on this bike than it was on the Alu one, have a friend that has been waiting on his replacement for 9 months now... But god that the new carbon one looks sexy! Good work Evil!
  • 2 0
 @ bikounet, take care of a carbon dh bike or not, some rock will still manage to damage it. The damages on my bike are not from misuse, but from riding hard.
  • 1 0
 Sure that's true, but you can have the same impact on your Aluminium frame and "crook" (...? Thank you google traduction for this verb...) it, after that the geometry will be f*cked up and you would not be abble to ride it anymore... Carbon simply brakes, I think that if they're making that kind of bike, they are strong enough.
But who knows? We'll see!
  • 1 0
 I do know what you mean, but if you scratch the clear coat off a part of your carbon frame (say u wash out and bump a rock) then is considered to be compromised. It sounds silly but its true. I have had a guy come in with a carbon road fork that got a small scratch through the clear coat, we recommended that it be replaced cause it could be dangerous, then a couple weeks later it snapped on the scratch. It is a bit different because its thinner carbon on a road bike but same idea.
  • 2 1
 Steve Peat crashed his Carbon V10 at an Urban DH Race before the 2010 DH season. The downtube of the frame hit a brick corner of a building at 30kph. All it had was a small scuff. Carbon works. Deal with it.
  • 2 0
 Sure it works, but you have to agree that in a first time, it's a little bit scary ^^'
  • 2 0
 how do you know that he didn't replace the frame tho. but unless you work for the company there is really no way to tell what they are doing to reinforce the strength of the carbon.
  • 1 0
 yeah, i'd pay for a crooked!
  • 1 0
 well my comment on Apr 7, 2011 at 10:26 has been completely blown out of the water!!
  • 1 0
 anyone know where the after resting stuff is?
  • 46 3
 Hi Evil. Can you buy me a new Macbook since i jizzed all over mine?
  • 13 0
 maybe they can send u a a bent frame and some windex???
  • 8 1
 No, they won't cause they're Evil...
  • 27 0
 Wow, that Is such a sexy frame!!! As long as it is more durable than the original Revolt And it is awesome that the Revolt warranties still outstanding will get one.
  • 4 6
 Exactly what I was thinking! Looks sooo nice, but I hope the carbon holds up.
  • 15 1
 *shploogle*
  • 3 0
 all i can can say is IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this just blew me out of the water, i heard the rumors but it didn't seem possible with the issues of the company, so glad its all worked out!
  • 4 2
 @shred-nz-media
I agree. +1 good sir.
  • 5 8
 I came.
  • 2 0
 Lol, they are over 25mm out at the rear axle.. Beautiful bookend though
  • 2 0
 Jesus i want one... Gimme gimme? I'll give you cake?! (good trade yeah?)
  • 11 0
 How gutted must you be if you just got the older revolt on warranty right before this came into effect...
  • 3 0
 i would just throw it off a cliff to get this one Smile
  • 1 29
flag Rasterman (Apr 7, 2011 at 7:24) (Below Threshold)
 Nice, the frame shape looks a lot like my Session 88.
  • 3 0
 OMNOMNOM
  • 1 3
 send me a screwed up revolt, and ill just make it a relic! PLEASEEE Smile
  • 23 2
 According to Pinkbikers - Every new f*cking bike looks like a Session 88 these days Rolleyes
  • 1 0
 Is anything it looks like an Evil Revolt crossed with a black GT Fury Carbon and a Santa Cruz v10 Carbon, just because of the real smooth lines... Not an 88?!
  • 3 1
 guys you have all got iot wrong it kinda looks liek what is it called.... oh yea the evil revolt from last year!!!! you absolute tools
  • 2 1
 Evil better watch out, because soon they are gonna have lots of "sudden" broken 09-2010 evil frames, and then they will just have to increase the production of the carbon frames to warranty the aluminium ones. Great warranty idea, just hope that doesn't run them out again. Cool frame guys!
  • 1 0
 There still making the aluminum ones
  • 1 0
 Man, looks like a killer rig. I remember when no one believed me about the Carbon even though I heard it straight from a rep. I almost started to doubt it myself after such a long time with no new news. Stoked to see them back in the game and hope to see more models soon! (We all know Zink is gonna need a slope bike)
  • 1 0
 this bike could be yours for the low price of 8 grand haha not worth it
  • 1 0
 8 grand is a total bike you mean.. i build mine,, so 1 in dollar is in euro 0.80..? 5500 for bike is 2500-3000 for frame.. standard deal i would say ? if it comes with shock ??>
  • 1 0
 why do people think everything looks like an 88? cause lets be honest this looks nothing like it.
  • 25 0
 I would love an old one for a bong and a new one to shred!
  • 6 0
 All I can say to that is.... Fuck yea.
  • 2 0
 Yes mate! haha
  • 7 0
 I have to admit, this is one of the best looking bikes I've seen, and I bet the ride quality is nothing short of amazing. Hopefully Evil 2.0 will leave a better taste in the mouth for some unfortunate consumers. Best wishes during the testing phase, I'm certain Luke will put it through it's paces.

Although the same story could have happened if their product would have been made domestically, I would bet that a US manufacturer would have gladly worked with the company to remedy the Revolt problem. Not to mention, you could have actually been there during production to know that frame 1 of 300 was mis-aligned and not created so much industrial waste. Accidents happen, and somebody lost a lot of money over it. Glad to see that Evil can continue.

Santa Cruz proved that carbon dh bikes can exist, but with as much crash and shuttle damage is involved in DH riding, I will be thoroughly impressed if anyone can actually keep a carbon frame going past it's 2 year warranty expiration. A minor scuff could turn into catastrophic failure pretty quickly. Not that aluminum is any kind of super material in itself due to the finite fatigue life. At least steel and titanium frames can be repaired if they break, but these days people consider everything to be disposable anyways so who really cares?
  • 3 1
 SC has a lifetime warranty on their carbon DH bike. also GT has had their carbon Fury out for a few years already with little issue on them breaking
  • 1 2
 And when your carbon frame is broken... You can do nothing with it... You can't use Carbon again, that sucks...
  • 4 0
 @deadatbirth, bradwalton is actually correct on the warranty. Santa Cruz offers a 2 year "limited frame warranty" in which they will replace your frame if it should fail for a manufacturing reason (this means that the damage is not the riders fault). They do however offer a lifetime "no-fault replacement" which is another way of saying if your frame gets damaged from crashing/shuttling/etc. they will sell you one for below msrp.

On the other hand it really surprises me how many people have these preconceived notions on the strength of carbon used in downhill applications. I can say with strong assurance that the majority of people commenting on the fact that carbon downhill bikes can have "catostrophic failiures pretty quickly" have never seen, much less ridden a carbon DH bike in real life. It's all internet speculation. One of the great things about carbon is that you can layer and weave it differently to achieve a desired weight or strength. An example would be the thin carbon lays used on lightweight roadbikes to achieve a lightweight and strong frame. Carbon used in DH applications is layered much more heavily due the the fact that there is not a tight weight constraint (given that you obviously aren't going to layer it far beyond the necessary amount calculated through computer stress test programs). The companies manufacturing carbon DH bikes are not dumb, nor are they naive to the abuse that these bikes will be enduring. They take this into account when engineering the bikes and have strong certainty as to what they can hold up to. There is a reason carbon DH bikes are starting to pop up and that is because it is in fact a great material to incorporate into the downhill market. Until you all have support behind your speculation on "how weak carbon is" I suggest you stop dumping your ignorant comments onto bike forums.
  • 2 0
 Thank you for saying something. it gets really old seeing people be so blind.
  • 4 2
 I never said carbon was weak, and my comment was not based on the strength of the material. Carbon's weakness is in the microscopic fractures that occur with abrasion, including what will be seen with crashes and shuttling in the case of DH bikes. There are companies that made full carbon bikes that have since put aluminum chainstays on the carbon bike due to such issues. I have seen a carbon bike explode due to cable rub, and the guy ended up with carbon shards in his leg. But, you guys are right, it's all speculation, I'm ignorant, and nothing I said is relevant to a bike forum. You are free to buy what you want.
  • 1 1
 Don't get me wrong, it's amazing innovation, and I look forward to seeing carbon's limits expanded. I am hopeful that they don't break. There is a lot of environmental waste produced from the manufacturing process and there is no current means of recycling the material.
  • 1 0
 Yeah wasn't trying to argue against you at all, merely using your choice of words to describe a response I see all to common when anything about carbon DH bikes comes up. There is no doubt that carbon as a material in general does have that disadvantage, however, carbon laid as thick as it is on many of the DH bikes I have seen, I think you would be surprised to see how strong of an impact it would require before you saw a point of initial failiure.
  • 5 1
 And to think I wasted 6 years studying materials and mechanics to become a manufacturing engineer! I could have learned everything there is to know about materials, metalurgy, and mechanical properties on pinkbike!!
  • 6 0
 Hi Kevin, I met you at Port Angeles a few years ago when you were testing the original prototype Revolt. Good to see you made it through these dark tough times and are still stoked and pushing hard with Evil Bikes. Good luck with this, I hope you persevere with all this and get past any current consumer perceptions about Evil Bikes - the industry needs more niche products and manufacturers and rider-owned companies.
  • 7 0
 They should have named it simply "dead", then they could have included a graphic of Bruce Campbell with his chainsaw and boomstick.
  • 5 0
 I love how Evil admits to keeping previous problems hush on the comments here while still selling the old revolt... what happens if there's major issues with this bike too? - will that be kept quiet as well or will honesty prevail this time? That said, is does look like a mean bike! I just think a little more humble pie should be eaten - prove your product before claiming its gonna be sweet! The MTB industry is rife with such early production cock-ups that would never be tolerated in other industries like auto or aero engineering; riders need to stop fooling for 'shiny new stuff' and hype and start boycotting these companies that are raping our sport!
  • 6 0
 Maybe they can update their website now ... www.evil-bikes.com ... According to it they still have
Vanderham and Smith onboard
  • 1 0
 I saw websites where they still are pre-ording 2007 Santa Cruz V10... So there, it's not a big deal for the moment :p
  • 5 0
 Hodaka? Can't possibly be the same Hodaka that used to make dirt bikes back in the 1970's and 80's, can it?
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the insightful comment.
  • 1 0
 I did not meant to reply to your comment. It was a mistake, and i was not able to erase the coment, so that is why i put 3 dots. Sorry
  • 2 0
 There are only 2 dots..
  • 5 0
 wow those guys who broke or had problems with the alu revolts are lucky people!!!!
  • 11 1
 Waiting a year for a warranty frame and getting ANOTHER largely unproven one is not my idea of good luck...
  • 2 0
 Well I am still releaved because when you ride a frame for five months than sits in a shop for Eight. Something is better than a big fat Zero
  • 3 0
 Really good to see some life in the Evil camp. I hope this gets them back on track. There was never an issue with how the Revolt performed, so if the QC issues are behind them, it's game on!
  • 2 0
 Good for you guys! Big Grin

I know a lot of local factory riders that will be thrilled to hear this/see this. We where all a little worried here in WA about what was gonna happen to Evil. Terrible luck with the factory, thats total BS. Massive kudos for standing by your customers and offering them this new frame to replace their old ones!!!
  • 2 0
 good deal guys.... I'm not gonna pretend I know anything about carbon but I do know I love bacon and if this bike has any trace of a scent of bacon I'm in. Congrats seriously I'll give you credit for sticking in there. Something has to be said about ya'll being some stand up fuckers. I appreciate a company that seems to be down to earth guys
  • 1 1
 LOL "stand up f*ckers".
True say tho, needed to be expressed!
  • 2 0
 Looks sweet and I wish them the best. Kind of funny though all the people here already claiming it's the bike of the year or best bike they've ever seen based on a photo and short article. Just as they did when the Revolt was originally unveiled, which turned out not to be the best bike ever. Oops. I guess bikes with a long proven track record (ex V10) aren't as cool though, or maybe just need some zombies.
  • 4 0
 Can I send Evil a warranty claim for a new keyboard? Mine has drool all over it...
  • 5 0
 Yes, but you'll have to wait 10 months until they release the carbon fibre Keyboard 2.0
  • 1 0
 10 months! i cant wait that bloody long fml
  • 1 0
 Why do I have a 2009 revolt with none of the said problems. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I have had no problems with my revolt. Is that lucky or unlucky? depends on what why you look at it.

I didn't think that I would ever consider buying another bike as I love my revolt BUT this changes everything. If it tracks and rides anywhere close to the Revolt it s going to be a winner for sure.
  • 1 0
 wtf happened to the lines & the proportions? in detail, the top tube looks like a piece of driftwood, the rest isn't much better either.. :/
more tension in the lines paired with well-proportioned tubes and it's a sexy beast.. Wink
  • 2 0
 which part looks like driftwood? the carbon fiber layup?
  • 1 0
 the whole top tube. well, let's wait for the production bike. Smile
  • 2 0
 Props to everyone on this. I know quite a few people who after seeing evils that couldn't be fixed kept asking why try a carbon one and well when you go for a drastic redesign of the company its the only thing to do.
  • 1 0
 People bash on carbon here, but I bet they drool over V10's... Well, good on ya guys, and good luck with evil 2.0!

Oh, and can you guys make a nice new trail ripper named the Boomstick? Train of though after seeing the Undead was Evil Dead, Bruce Campbell, Boomstick... For the naming suggestion, I'll let you guys give me a prototype Wink
  • 2 0
 first was GT and then santa cruz and now comes evil. to the carbon haters out there, eat your hearts out. carbon is here to stay! now all they need to do is make it affordable, hehe.
  • 1 0
 i've been riding the same carbon bike since 97 and crashed it into plenty of 'sharp rocks' and the game continues. tuned properly carbon rules, it's nice and stiff, super light, and looks badass. best best, when you get your new carbon frame go contra styles - up down up down left right left right B A select start.
  • 1 0
 Hey evil, awesome job. really glad your doing people right, sending people your brand new carbon bike who had f#cked ones? that's awesome. I'm glad you all are thinking about the customers that were screwed over for such a long time. there were some shitty moments in the past but it looks like evil is back on the path to success. great looking bike and great job doing the right thing.
  • 1 0
 Dont they know how carbon fibre composite works? You can't put sharp corners in the material, it only works in tension. Can't wait to see that rear-end explode on A-Line from an off-axis landing.

Bike companies need materials experts so they stop treating CF like black aluminum. You want to make a CF DH bike? Fine. But alu principals don't apply. Hopefully they figure this out before someone gets hurt.
  • 1 0
 questions to evil:

Will the graphics be below the clear coat on the final version of the Undead frame?
Is this revised shock linkage still the delta system?
Are there any advantages to the new linkage in comparison to the old one on the revolt?
Will there be laser etched deltasystem logos on the pivot caps and on the linkage hardware like it was on the ones of the revolt frame?
Will you be able to turn the shock an run the piggyback on top like it was on the revolt?
  • 2 0
 So, now that's sorted, does this mean you can get someone to spend a bit of time on the Evil Bikes website? Please? It really can't be that hard...
  • 5 0
 Its been done for a year, we are launching when we have photos of the pre production bikes.... Was kind of pointless when you don't have anything to sell...
  • 2 0
 What about the sovereign? I thought you had been selling those recently? Or at least I've seen a couple of reviews and people with them.

Oh by the way, I think it's really cool that you take the time to speak to potential customers on pinkbike etc Smile
  • 1 0
 Yeah same here. this is the first time iv seen someone from the actual bike compony talking to us here on pink bike. That just made me respect the company a whole lot more. i think i might be choosing this here bicycle over that v10...(:
  • 2 0
 Oh my God. Never been so in love with a bike. That thing is amazing. I want one. NEVER gonna be able to afford one. Not for a good few years.
  • 1 1
 Beautiful Frame, but what make Evil think they can make the carbon frame better than their alumium since they failed horribly at making it. This frame is not cheap by any mean. I like the fact that they are offering replacement frame for the old aluminum ones with the new carbon. Being only a couple of years in R&R on carbon frames does not mean you know what you are doing and that it will hold up to the test of time and riders. For the money I'd rather buy the SC V10 carbon that's proven to be WC racing machine. Don't want to bash Evil but these are the facts from frame buyers. Hopefully the undead lives up to it's reputation or this CO. will be BK soon.
  • 2 0
 Where were the bad Revolts made? Do any other bikes from other companies get made at the same place?

This one looks like a cool bike..It also looks like my hockey stick haha
  • 1 0
 Pacific Cycles I believe. Pretty sure Banshee is still being produced at Pacific.
  • 1 0
 I am really looking forward on the coming years and the rebirth of carbon fibre bikes especially in DH. Until last year I was riding an 97 GT STS as AM bike. I loved each second on that rig
  • 1 0
 I need a bike like this, even though im 16. id like to get better at downhilling and all i have done it on is a downhill would be nice to try it on a fully some day. time to save some money for this.
  • 1 1
 questions to evil:

Will the graphics be below the clear coat on the final version of the Undead frame?
Is this revised shock linkage still the delta system?
Are there any advantages to the new linkage in comparison to the old one on the revolt?
Will there be laser etched deltasystem logos on the pivot caps and on the linkage hardware like it was on the ones of the revolt frame?
Will you be able to turn the shock an run the piggyback on top like it was on the revolt?
  • 1 0
 I'm glad the majority are all negative about it. Just means when I get one, all you miserable lot wont have the same bike! The bike is SICK and I shall have one just because I can : )
  • 1 0
 Hey Kevin, Tim from UK here wanting/needing to know where and when you shipping over to Silverfishuk!?
I want to rock the Undead and go kick it up Scotland and around soon see.
Money waiting ;d
Regards
Tim.
  • 1 0
 is evil out of order or why they aren`t actually the web site? i want to buy an undead but i don´t no where and when? why markus stöckl didn´t buy evil or be a part of it like he tell sin an interview? i
  • 1 0
 Bueatiful! Always loved the EVIL Revolt. Good to see the bike back.

Has there been any news on the EVIL Order bike? Will it be released?
  • 2 0
 Hopefully early summer... We are changing up a lot of things here.. It will most certainly be released. ASAP
  • 1 0
 Awesome Thanks
  • 1 0
 You guys down at evil better accept my sponsoreship haha I gota get my hands on this
  • 1 0
 Really digging the integrated fork bumpers/cable guides. This bike is all the tasty looks of the revolt, but (hopefully) none of the problems. I sure want one.
  • 1 0
 Agreed, the bolt on cable guides are brilliant.
  • 1 1
 Throw the old Revolts out to the dealers at the local bike shops. They can probably find a lot of interesting stuff to do with them. Hang them up on the wall, make random stuff out of them, who knows.
  • 1 0
 i want to know about warranty, I have one and all bushings and bearings and delta sytem is crack, what do I do to solve my problem?
  • 1 0
 This is easily the nicest bike I have ever set eyes on. People who design and manufacture these need absolutely huge props. Wish I was rich :/
  • 2 1
 Ahhh You Know What It Is... Black & Yellow, Black & Yellow, Black & Yellow, Black & Yellow!!! I want one... can I haz?
  • 1 0
 Filip Polc and Wyn Masters on Carbon bikes! I am truly scared and excited. Those guys are going to over boost and enter the Stratosphere at some point this WC Season.
  • 1 0
 i am currently available to take any bent bookends that you might happen to have laying around. if you do get them back i would gladly pay shipping for a few.
  • 1 2
 BLABLABLABLABLABLA,... Who cares if you can buy this new hot bike or not, if you can, buy it, if you don´t, then keep riding your bike and thats it just get fun on your thing,......golfers, have fun with old sticks too i guess, MX is the same, moto,cars,... is not the tool that makes you have fun, is the thing you do with it, and how you do it,, damn tale tellers and fashion victims
  • 1 0
 man reading the comments here will take hours ,nice bike love it ,i ride because i love it thats the only things that matters
  • 1 0
 Maybe u should send a new evil revolt frame to the original owners of the frames That didn't get warranty incase they brake after the 2 year point.
  • 2 0
 Loving the first sentence haha
Bike looks nice Big Grin
  • 2 0
 orgasm on wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 that is just one sexy motherhucker... sucks that i cant affort any of the new stuff thats coming out! really loving it!
  • 1 0
 very nice! good to hear that the problems with the welding etc. are out the way! i want one!
  • 1 0
 when they release the weight of it i'm sure the weight weenies will love it!
  • 1 0
 Not necessarily, they have to use a fair bit of carbon to re-inforce the bike for DH stresses. It'll be a bit lighter for sure, but not miles such as In XC alu/carbon comparisons. The main reason apart from the slight weight win is usually to do with the actual strength to weight ratio of the carbon, plus the way it handles flex and the general feel of the material compared to others! Still, Evil may prove us wrong Wink
  • 1 0
 Isn't the carbon V10 basically the same weight at the old one? Don't get me wrong I'm sure it'll be lighter, but it's not going to lose a third of it's weight either.
  • 1 0
 I think the V10 is quite a bit lighter, haven't checked out the exact frame weight but i know you can build them up to be as light as 35 lbs for a cool 8 grand. I'd imagine this wouldn't be super far off?
  • 1 0
 Exactly emarquar, it is a little lighter, but not as much as you would expect, its about 9.9 carbon to 10.3 standard on the V10, so yeah, its noticeable, but not huge. If you compare it to an XC bike where you have far less stress and can use far less carbon layers around the strong points (think 'weld areas') then you notice a large difference between the Alu and Carbon version (though I think Ti hardtails are the way forward for XC lightweights Wink ), but yeah, it appears to be more about the feel of the material for the DH! And 35Lbs isn't that light any more, you can cough up for a Mondraker summum at about 5k for a full build which comes in at 33.6 Lbs give or take depending on which tyres you run and all that, and it ain't even carbon, plus it pedals a LOT better Wink
  • 1 0
 Back from the grave....I love zombie movies, can't wait to watch this beast ripping through the DH courses! Big Grin
  • 2 0
 Any sort of sneak-peak info on a short travel/trail bike from Evil??
  • 2 0
 hottest downhill bike of the year
  • 1 0
 niiice, the black + yellow... must be an expensive fella... and, hey - seeing a FOX on that one makes me smile!
  • 2 0
 Dear Santa,
I have been very good boy............................... Wink
  • 2 0
 Looking dope as hell. hopefully it works out for EVIL.
  • 2 0
 Bike porn and im now off to the bathroom with a pic of the bike ..?
  • 2 0
 Evil looks like it hailed from Heaven !
  • 1 0
 i just had a bit of a crisis this bike looks absolutely amazing well done evil
  • 1 3
 Ya that looks sweet, e 13 stepping it up. Plus they warrantying revolts for the new carbon. Nobody else doing that in the industry. I temped to buy a revolt and demo it so I can be on the list for this new jump off. Hmm carbon race bike for plattekill maybe not. This whole zombie theme isn't working for me, just because it black frame doesn't make it zombie. The lines on this bike look more like fomula one racing.
  • 3 0
 Evil is not E13. and no one else is doing this type of warranty exchange because no one else had issues getting customers their warranty frames like Evil has.
  • 1 3
 Wow thanks for that, now I can breathe. I stand corrected lady, nevr going to call them e 15 ever again. Even though they produce e 13 products.
  • 1 0
 did we all miss that memo that Evil Bikes produces E13 products (who's owned by The Hive)?
  • 2 3
 I didn't think we had to be soo critically correct on every word stated here. Next time I email you my post first so you can proof it for me.
  • 1 0
 sorry you got butthurt for being wrong.
  • 5 1
 @skiska .... fail.
  • 1 0
 You can actually discern how the linkage works this time! very sick, even though I'll never ride one Frown (carbon = $$$$$$)
  • 1 0
 i love this bike good luck in the new year EVIL, and it's great to see owners responding on the forum!
  • 1 0
 I really love the geometry, looks like a solid all round bike; Pinkbike has to test this on a UK DH course.
  • 1 0
 Carbon is the future. You want it or not. Very good material and this bike looks hot!
  • 2 0
 i want a revolt to hang on my wall
  • 1 0
 that is some top notch molding. very clean and attractive Kevin, Congrats on it!
  • 1 0
 Looks like we're entering an era of carbon fiber DH bikes. I guess we'll see who comes next...
  • 1 0
 I think Evil bikes are rad. There ads and graphics are sick too. I like that type of art.
  • 1 0
 i'll be pretty happy to get mine, been a a year almost, looking forward to this!
  • 1 0
 Congrats Kevin! I know this press release has been a longtime coming and probably a huge relief to you.
  • 1 0
 SICKEST FUCKING BIKE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if i get the money im getting one
  • 1 0
 My session just shivered, she's afraid of this sexy ass beast of a bike. Damn
  • 1 0
 can you make one thats designed with 160mm of travel? would be awesome for the UK
  • 1 0
 anybody know what happednd with the frames and the company someone please shed some light on this
  • 1 0
 if you are giving them away ill take a few. i know what i could make out of them. hehe
  • 1 0
 This bike scares me. They couldn't make an aluminum frame that worked so now they are going full carbon?
  • 1 0
 Its interesting that Stobel isn't running this bike at the first WC. I wonder why?
  • 1 0
 they should have a give away for one of these evil undead's. and everyone could pay a couple buck's per ticket
  • 1 0
 Grow the trees...hustle trees...buy bikes....ride trees....a beautiful circle of life.
  • 1 0
 really like it. can't wait for a general release!
  • 1 0
 i would buy it now ahhaha1!!!
  • 1 0
 cam zinks crankworx rig??
short travel version maybe?
  • 1 0
 one of the sickest bikes ive ever seen .......
  • 1 1
 You can count on the fact that I am DEFINATELY buying one of these for the 2012 season !!!!
  • 1 0
 Strobel is 1 lucky guy to be getting that beast of a ride!!!
  • 1 0
 wow that bike is super sick!! Wink
  • 1 0
 I just creamed my boxXers(my undershorts)AAAhhh Ahhhh!!! LOL
  • 1 0
 Where do i sign up for on of these?
  • 1 0
 sexy machine!! I want one!!
  • 1 0
 looks sooo sick!!!! cant wait to see a full review on the final product.
  • 1 0
 nukeproof stuff would looks sick on this!
  • 1 0
 I like the look of it.Would they sponsor me?
  • 1 0
 Whoa... that... is... soooo... nice..!
  • 1 0
 Good to see this Kevin! Go Luke!
  • 1 0
 best looking carbon bike out there!
  • 1 0
 Is it possible to paint over the carbon fiber?
  • 1 0
 lol the zombies are off red dead undead nightmare safe. x
  • 1 0
 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
  • 1 0
 Two words, THE LAW!!! Razz
  • 1 0
 devinci wilson anybody... without the split pivot i mean
  • 1 0
 Straight up beautiful bike.
  • 1 0
 they look sick !! look heaps cleaner now
  • 1 0
 I've had a hard-on since I saw this.... and that was earlier today!
  • 1 0
 Maybe the most beautiful carbon DH ever seen!
  • 1 0
 That shit looks BAD FAST!
  • 1 0
 I all ready bought it jk lol
  • 1 0
 Probably the coolest looking bike I've ever seen. Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Very good to see more brands moving to carbon fiber.
  • 2 1
 apple computer of the bike world
  • 1 0
 are you giving away any of the revolts for less?
  • 1 0
 I want that bike soooo bad. In neon yellow of course Big Grin
  • 2 1
 Yep Seattle has got a good bike scene.
  • 1 0
 does anyone know when they will be available
  • 1 0
 holy fuck guys, give it a REST already and just go Ride
  • 1 0
 Sweet bike
  • 2 1
 well id better get some tissues...
  • 1 0
 I want that one!!!
  • 1 0
 argh... want one!
  • 1 0
 Nice!
  • 1 0
 frikkin Hot !!!
  • 1 0
 looks very sick
  • 1 0
 that look beaut!!!
  • 1 0
 Some great bike porn
  • 1 0
 owesome, sick i want it
  • 10 12
 EVIL NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO ANSWER THE PHONE, AND RETURN E-MAILS TO THERE DEALERS! THESE GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF JOKERS. THEY DONT MAKE BIKES.
  • 1 1
 id chuck it , any carbon FR rigs coming?
  • 1 0
 dream bike?
  • 1 0
 what a beauty!
  • 1 0
 sick ride yo!
  • 1 0
 AmazingWink
  • 1 0
 those photos are amazing
  • 1 0
 Me=want one so bad
  • 1 0
 RC4 upside down?
  • 1 0
 Want very badly
  • 1 0
 omg
  • 1 0
 ill take that off of you
  • 1 0
 Any other colors?
  • 1 1
 I would definitely take a bad revolt frame. Let me know if it's possible.
  • 1 0
 peace of art
  • 1 0
 SICK
  • 1 0
 o quadro e em carbono?
  • 1 0
 I want a sovereign
  • 1 2
 I really like it. Though a non black paint would make it look better imho.
  • 1 2
 Ok I don't ride dh but I just jizzed in my pants
  • 2 3
 Looks almost identical to the 2011 Devinci Wilson
  • 2 1
 it looks almost identical to the prior Revolt....which came out before the Wilson
  • 1 2
 He's right the front triangle looks very similar...... Wilson looks better though!
  • 1 2
 ho hum...single pivot lameness....that said, it looks the part for sure.
  • 1 2
 what with the paint or reflection looks like plastic?...
  • 2 0
 Its clear coated carbon fibre, go and actually read the article! lol
  • 2 3
 cool but the name is evil,you all don't believe in GOD
  • 1 1
 snapity snap snap
  • 1 2
 i made a mess in my pants when i saw the bike...
  • 3 6
 The carbon fiber work on the swing arm is pretty poor... It looks all crushed and stuff..
  • 9 0
 Its a UD raw carbon with a clear coat, so it looks like an oil spill with wrinkles when the light hits it. Nearly impossible to get a good photo unless you're in the studio
  • 4 0
 I love the look of it Razz haha, I'm a bit sick of the whole 'pretty' checker layer carbon gets over the top to make it look 'better', love it raw, looks mint Smile
  • 6 0
 sorry to geek out on you bro, but USUALLY the "pretty" carbon isnt on for show. Carbon comes in different sizes of weave, 3k and 12k are common, and in this case Unidirectional (UD) cloth. Basically 3k and 12k give that real nice carbon weave look, where as UD cloth all the threads go in the same direction and give it the "matte look"

Its why CF is so tunable, if you made the same frame, one from 3k, one from 12k and one from UD cloth, they would all have very different feels to them, and you can use different cloths in different areas to make different bits flex more/less or stronger/lighter.

Sometimes the bike might have a final layer of very light 3k just for the looks, which is fine, but what goes underneath the skin is usually far from "just for looks" and could be a total mash up of weaves
  • 3 0
 You mean 'sometimes' as in 'most of the time' there is pretty layer on top.
  • 1 0
 huh!?!
  • 3 0
 Eyon, yeah, I understand the different strengths/thicknesses of the carbon cloths, (cheers for typing up though, a lot of people just don't get carbon at all, and then bash it for no reason because there cousins mates brother hear of a mate at work who snapped his carbon bike) but whilst the weave pattern is genuinely part of its structure, its whats been sold as 'carbon fibre' to people, you see the pattern and you think of CF straight away, so there has always been an element of a thin layer being placed over everything to give it the instantly recognizable (and very sellable) look. I reckon now that people get it and understand it more, and now that everyone is probably a bit sick of seeing it everywhere, the manufacturers aren't having to make it look pretty, function befor form is coming back into play, do you kinda agree with that? Refreshing that its not happening so much now anyway Wink Beer
  • 1 3
 looks a lot like a wilson
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