Bosch Boosts Motor Performance With Software Update For 2021

Jun 25, 2020
by Ralf Hauser  
Same motor hardware.
New software.


Not too long after its initial release, Bosch is treating riders of the Performance Line CX Gen 4 system to a significant software update. Increased torque, a refined eMTB mode and new feature called Extended Boost all work towards the goal of delivering the most natural riding experience possible.

Due to the multiple sensors within the system, Bosch is now able to tune the riding characteristics by combining measurements from torque and cadence. After the successful initial launch and collecting info from real-world performance over a wide field of users, they have entered the stage to fine-tune their entire system and make it available to the public as soon as they’ve achieved the results they were looking for.

Starting with torque, Bosch is increasing the maximum torque from 75Nm to 85Nm in both eMTB and Turbo modes. This extra power will be especially noticeable at lower cadences, but really can be felt over a broad cadence range - with the usable range having been extended in both lower and higher directions. Riders will particularly benefit in technical sections with more readily available power to rely on, delivered in a controlled, jolt-free and natural motion.

Out in the field, the added power therefore helps sporty pilots as much as more leisurely-oriented riders, whether you generally prefer spinning your heart out or cranking your pedals at lower RPMs. "This enables unpredictable riding situations to be mastered even more effectively," explains Claus Fleischer, CEO of Bosch eBike Systems. "Delayed gear shifting, for example, is better compensated and acceleration out of tight turns is much more powerful and dynamic."

With a finer start-up behaviour and more sensitivity in low gears as well as a more dynamic and natural support over an extended range of cadences, the refined eMTB mode has been adapted to the increased torque while delivering an even more rounded overall feel.


Extended Boost is a new motor behaviour embedded within the eMTB mode. It helps riders conquer challenging technical sections like exposed roots, natural steps and rocks by delivering a slightly elongated dynamic push when a specific kind of explosive pedal pressure asks for it. One of the driving people behind the idea was Stefan Schlie, one of Bosch’s ambassadors and development riders with a background in trials, who also helped with the development of the first version of the eMTB mode. Therefore, it’s not surprising that Extended Boost comes in handy in highly technical riding situations, especially at lower speeds.

The software update will be installable by specialist retailers starting this summer, and is available for all e-bikes with model year 2020 Performance Line CX motors and onwards. Maximum torque can also be increased to 85Nm for the Cargo Line, Cargo Line Speed and Performance Line Speed drive systems. The software update itself is free, but it’s open to the retailers to ask for a service fee for installing the new update.

Beyond those updates, the Kiox display is also getting a software update in summer of 2020. With the help of the smartphone app, you’ll be able to display simplified navigation pointers on your Kiox display. Also worth mentioning is a more stable Bluetooth connection. Connectivity between your different digital devices is also improved.

The larger Nyon display has been completely reworked into a more compact design with touchscreen technology, multiple individualization options and can be retrofitted in the future.

Kiox now features a simple navigation help.
Improved Bluetooth connection and better interconnectivity between digital devices.

To celebrate its ten-year anniversary of e-bike involvement, Bosch is also launching some special edition anniversary models with Cube, Cannondale and Moustache, that have won an internal design contest with their ideas.



Ride Impressions

After an initial lap around my home trails with Bosch’s development rider Stefan Schlie, I had the chance to keep the test bike equipped with an early version of the software update (not the final one that will be released) to get a better idea about the differences to the original software. The choice of test bike couldn’t have been better, as I had been riding a nearly identical Trek Rail for quite a while.

Bosch’s latest generation of Performance Line CX motors already felt plenty powerful, but I definitely won’t say no to an extra helping of power. The extra 10Nm of torque can especially be felt when accelerating in higher gears, compensating for delayed gear shifting, when being surprised by a sudden incline, or simply when accelerating out of a tight corner, although I’d go as far as saying that it can be helpful in any given situation at any time.

At the same time, thanks to Bosch’s excellent motor management, transitions are smooth as ever, or, due to the refined eMTB mode, possibly even more refined than before. I’ve heard some people complaining that the Gen 4’s eMTB mode was dishing out a bit too much power and therefore having lost some of the sensitivity compared to its predecessor’s setup, so maybe the update might be the fix they are looking for.

Personally, I never had an issue with it, although it’s clear that the instantaneous power delivery compared to the older Performance CX motor is highly noticeable in any mode. On the other hand, the system is incredibly sensitive to varying pressure from the pedals and you can control the output to the wheel predictably in eMTB mode. Wheel spin is still a factor. of course, but if you want to minimize it, just refrain from mashing the pedals like a madman. How much the refined setup of the 2.0 software update has helped in that regard is hard to quantify, not having had the time to do a thorough side-by-side comparison between the software versions.

On the trail, it didn’t matter how steep or rugged the terrain seemed to be; you hardly had to think about the motor’s capabilities. It’s even rather easy to push through sections where the front wheel runs into a larger rock, and I found myself tackling steeper sections in a higher gear than usual to avoid wheelspin, with the bike just propelling you along nicely. Also, when intentionally shifting into higher gears at lower speeds for testing purposes it showed that the bike is now quite capable of gradually accelerating towards higher speeds without feeling like a slug.

On my test bike, you could feel a slight initial tug in Turbo mode when the motor kicks in from resting the pedals, something that almost disappears in eMTB and the lower ride modes. Unfortunately, the updates can't fix the metallic clacking noise when the engine is unloaded and rolling over uneven ground, not unlike that of bad chain slap, but that's a different topic. According to Schlie, he didn't notice a significant change in battery consumption with the new update over the past months of testing.

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Up-and-over moves become much easier with Extended Boost.

Personally, I am most excited about Extended Boost from Bosch’s list of enhancements. It might not seem like much of an add-on, but if you’re someone that loves to ride up and along gnarly technical trails with ridiculous obstacles, as much as going down them, Extended Boost is making your life considerably easier. Generally speaking, by giving the pedals a quick punch, the motor quickly accelerates according to the input and gives the bike an extra push once the pedals stop turning, to propel you over obstacles until the rear wheel clears them. Especially in sections where you need to lift your front and rear wheel up and over ledges – something that can be a bit of a chore on e-bikes – the motion now becomes fluid and you’re less likely to get stuck when you can’t keep pedaling or if the cranks shouldn't clearing the obstacle during a full rotation.

Extended Boost comes in handy when you want or have to execute a drop without much, or any run-in. Without having to pedal until the rear wheel clears the ledge, chances are that you’ll be much more composed during the flight phase of your drop without the nose of your bike dropping off in case you shouldn’t time the entire motion perfectly. Half a pedal turn is enough to get you safely down a regular or rolling drop off. Also, when rocking the pedals in balancing situations there’s instant forward motion to keep pushing the bike ahead, without lag or any other jitter.

Maybe Bosch’s update doesn’t represent a new gimmick that you can turn around in your hands or inspect on your bike, but it certainly is an improvement for any existing or future customer of the Performance CX system. Once you get used to it you won’t even think about it anymore, but I bet you’d miss it if you had to revert back to the older software version.

Power is nothing without control and Bosch impressively demonstrates their understanding of what a rider might be looking for in terms of performance and handling. With Extended Boost, 85Nm of torque and a refined eMTB mode, an already great motor system is getting even better.


More information at www.bosch-ebike.com/performance-cx








154 Comments

  • 194 4
 That gif is hilarious - turning the camera angle so it looks like you're climbing... if you turn your screen to where it's actually supposed to be, with the trees pointing straight up, you're actually going down a hill when you hopped onto that tiny rock. I can't believe you guys actually posted that.
  • 18 0
 That's the nice and pretty old Batman trick! Smile
  • 50 11
 And, turning the pedals so it looks like you're cycling... Razz
  • 25 0
 I like ebikes, but this article reads too much like Bosch propaganda
  • 23 14
 The article says: "It helps riders conquer challenging technical sections".

It should say: "It gives riders training wheels on challenging technical sections".
  • 12 1
 @pipm1: it actually looks like he didn't pedal at all
  • 15 14
 You really have to wonder what they were thinking. Then again, ebikers aren't always cyclists (especialy these days) so maybe they just have no idea what they did.
  • 6 2
 To add to my comment: On first watch, I noticed the tire didn't touch the rock until he was over it. On second watch, I realized he wasn't even pedaling. Who knew going downhill then tilting the camera angle was the most efficient way to ride an EMTB?
  • 8 1
 If you are going to tilt the camera to make it look steep at least pick a spot without trees to make it less obvious. Amateurs. But at least they included a super scientific graph?
  • 11 0
 Nah, that really is a 100% slope. Trees do grow at 45 degree angles because the earth is flat.
  • 8 4
 How lame is that? Image rotated so that the trees are vertical:
www.pinkbike.com/photo/18933929
Don't worry about upgrading your skills or fitness- just get a motor.
This new "upgrade" is just another step, in the creeping motorization of what has been a human powered sport
  • 2 1
 @lRaphl: And then Sammy Davis Jr peaks out from behind a tree.
  • 1 2
 @WoS: That is what Pinkbike generally does: commercials for the industry ...
  • 2 2
 Mountain Bike Fiction at its best! Bravo Pinkbike!!!!!!!
  • 80 15
 E-mtb haters make me chuckle, I don't like baseball but I don't read articles about baseball and then post comments about how people shouldn't play it because it's a dumbed down version of cricket. Also pretty sure there's a filter option on PB so you don't have to see E-mtb content
  • 14 2
 I thought cricket was a more boring version of baseball
  • 18 24
flag truehipster (Jun 25, 2020 at 14:15) (Below Threshold)
 I don’t go to baseball fields so no comment but . . . . . Everyday I am in the way of someone on an ebike. Even this morning.
They didn’t earn their turns!
  • 18 26
flag JoshieK (Jun 25, 2020 at 14:47) (Below Threshold)
 I'm glad we make you chuckle, you have to get some enjoyment in life, especially after deciding you hate riding so much you bought a motor for your bicycle.
  • 13 23
flag JoshieK (Jun 25, 2020 at 14:48) (Below Threshold)
 I'm glad we make you chuckle, you have to get some enjoyment in life, especially after deciding you hate riding so much you bought a motor for your bicycle.
  • 42 5
 @truehipster: Sure they earned it. They earned it when they went to work and made enough money to recreate how they want to.
maybe stop feeling that you are in the way and just ride your bike. I get passed by analog riders, I get passed by ebikers. Sometimes I do the passing. No big deal, we're all out to have a good time.
  • 12 0
 @truehipster: That isn't as bad as me getting passed up by a young buck, while I was on my ebike. I would rather feel your anger, than the shame I felt at that moment.
  • 8 1
 @truehipster: Username checks out. E-Bikes got popular too fast. Hipsters aren't allowed to like them.
  • 17 14
 Personally I have no issue with e-bikers who can ride (i.e most on this forum) .
However let's use your analogy to explain why the rest of them can be f*cking annoying.
I love cricket, best thing that has ever happened in my life, I play cricket all the time, recently a baseball team started playing over the road, we get along just fine, we share facilities have common values and etiquette, no problems.
Then baseball starts to become really popular, cricket shops have started selling baseball gear, they realise that they can sell more shit to newbies if they convince them to play baseball.
So I turn up to cricket practice and some c*nt is on the field with a baseball bat, swinging the f*cker around whilst every one is playing cricket, it's ok everyone just tolerates him, he doesn't know what he's doing, but he means no harm right?
The problem gets worse, each time I go there are more c*nts, ruining the field, smashing bats into the wicket. Eventually the quantity of incompetent newbie 'baseballers' is ruining my fun.
Newbies on analog bikes are no problem, harmless and welcome, newbies on ebikes (Ninos power with big birds skills) are a danger to themselves and others and they do ruin trails, I've seen it happen in front of my eyes, particularly climbing switchbacks..
It's almost at a point where I don't want to ride on Sundays anymore, seem to always get stuck behind a newbie ebiker who won't let you pass, maybe they're all deaf?
  • 3 20
flag truehipster (Jun 25, 2020 at 15:54) (Below Threshold)
 @MattyBoyR6: I could buy 10 tomorrow if I wanted but I prefer to buy guns and diesel trucks .
Trump 2020. . . . . . ha ha
  • 28 14
 If you hate ebikes it’s because your either to broke to afford one (Jealousy) or just uneducated on them. Literally nobody regrets buying one. I can’t wait to be able to afford one but I am waiting until they are more developed and last longer. Less work and more laps. I think people just like arguing for the sake of it.. misery loves company.
  • 5 6
 @sixohfourx: This is the "everyone i don't like is hitler" response to critics of bikes. Ive ridden plenty trying to keep an open mind and given that I have over $20k invested in bicycles its not money chump.
  • 8 6
 @sixohfourx: or another reason you might be anti e-bike: You disagree with the unecesssary addition of batteries that make the bicycle less eco friendly
.. Or you feel ebikes wreck trails (I can't comment on this, I don't see e bikes on the trails I ride)
  • 11 1
 @truehipster: "they didn't earn their turns" so you've never used an uplift service/bikepark then?
I guess if you're always in their way you could just let them pass? Walkers normally let me past when they're in my way, cars just go around when I'm in their way on the road...most of them don't feel the need to hate on other people's enjoyment (btw I don't own an e bike)
  • 8 1
 @RichieNotRude: if you're always having your ride spoilt by newbie riders with no skills, why not go ride on a harder trail?
  • 8 1
 As to the "e bikes wreck trails" argument, totally understand where you're coming from, it's not an issue where I ride but everything wrecks trails, walking, normal bikes, weather. Trails don't last forever. Surely the best way to have a well maintained trail is to get on with everyone that rides it, educate them how to ride in a way that damages the trail less, get them involved in maintenance etc. that way you have double the hands for maintenance?
  • 1 1
 @chris-brown225: I think that's fair, and as I say.. I've never seen the effect of ebikes on the trails I ride so I can't really comment. But on top of the ecological effect of adding batteries to bikes, I also have the perhaps irrational concern that: if e-bike riders start needing insurance, maybe that'll spread to manual bikes too. There was some speculation about that a while back.. And it would wreck cycling for me
  • 1 1
 @nordland071285: I haven’t noticed ebikes wrecking trails yet (mostly cause they aren’t allowed in my local area and also most the trails people just climb the fire roads for) but I see the potential for them blowing out steeper climbing trails that would be hike a bike for non ebikers. Similar to how whenever moto trails get steep they turn into a loose pile of choss and sand.
  • 2 2
 @iantmcg: I don't think the E is going to blow out trails but could actually keep them less torn up (if more people rode the ebike than analog) OK I think of it this way: picture a steep hill that will have new people grunting, standing up to pedal up and struggling, but a fit experienced rider will just keep chugging along and go up with mild effort.
That new guy as he stands and shifts his weight almost always spins the tire loses grip then on the next foot stomp spins again until he comes to a stop and has to walk.
Fit person will just sit and spin but keep a good cadence, does not have to stand and can keep traction. This fit person would be the equivalent to an ebike rider.
Sure at some point the hill can become too steep for any rider and the potential to spin out is there but those fall line trails aren't going to be well maintained anyway and will rut out every rain.
Motos put out a lot more hp at about 10hp per 100lbs rider included. A fit ebiker is at less than 2 hp total or 1 hp per 100 lbs.
  • 2 0
 @truehipster: cool bud; use your money how you want. Which, by the way is exactly my point.
  • 80 50
 Bicycles shouldn't have software updates.
  • 71 20
 Yeah! That is dumb! I hate when things can be improved free and immediately instead of forcing me to buy a newer generation of a product.
  • 38 9
 Wouldn’t “ the most natural riding experience possible.” be just pedaling?
  • 23 20
 Exactly. I mountain bike to get the f*ck away from screens, apps, and other artificial experiences.
  • 51 11
 @Mlloyd550: but yet here you are, furiously typing away on an article with a subject you have no interest in.
  • 21 4
 @Mlloyd550: dont buy one? im gonna enjoy ebikes because they are fine
  • 10 2
 that's what boomers said about telephones too. Nokia was dope though.
  • 6 0
 I love having an ebike as one of my bikes. But I agree, I hate the idea of a big screen. I don't want to see the tech. I would welcome updates that improve the system though.
  • 2 1
 @Mlloyd550: I hike to get the frack away from gears, carbon fiber, super tech suspension and disc breaks, and other artificial experience. See how that works, ‘lil guy?
  • 40 16
 next year , pedal delete option.
  • 26 15
 and make the right grip twist
  • 9 10
 It’s coming for sure.
  • 4 0
 sur ron?
  • 16 7
 The willfully ignorant comment section. Add your nonsense here
  • 1 7
flag n3sta (Jun 25, 2020 at 13:49) (Below Threshold)
 @TimRidesBikes: I wonder if SRAM will come out with grip twists, since they already have grip shifters.
  • 7 8
 @won-sean-animal-chin: You wanna bet that we won’t see a non-pedal assisted boost function (it’ll probably be a 3 second burst to begin with) in the next 3 years?
  • 4 4
 @jclnv: thanks for your comment in this very important section. You're not out of line.....here
  • 6 5
 @won-sean-animal-chin: Funny that you call this the 'willfully ignorant comment section,' yet here you are, adding nonsense.
  • 4 3
 @n3sta: we're both on point it seems. Thanks for the contribution
  • 1 5
flag jclnv (Jun 25, 2020 at 17:47) (Below Threshold)
 @won-sean-animal-chin: I just performed another contribution in your honour down the old porcelain trunk.
  • 2 1
 @jclnv: you got the stick out. Congrats!!
  • 1 7
flag jclnv (Jun 25, 2020 at 19:11) (Below Threshold)
 @won-sean-animal-chin: Indeed Bud. Enjoy your boomer Scooter.
  • 7 1
 @jclnv: won’t be a Class 1 then, so greatly limited in access. You do know there are classifications, yea?
  • 3 4
 @Chuckolicious: Specialized’s lawyers will run rings around that crap. I mean, it’ll just be a button actuated burst function that can be enabled with firmware. It’s not like it’s an eBay throttle hack that people are already using is it?

I suggest you read the quote in the comment below. What I’m suggesting is already here, it’s just not handlebar actuated yet.
  • 3 3
 @jclnv: wow! Youre like the amazing fkn kreskin or mtb's flat earther society equivalent. Lets just disregard all physics. What about the hover bikes? Theyre coming! Full on jetsons soon!! Must stop the hover bike!!
  • 3 4
 @won-sean-animal-chin: What ‘physics’ am I disregarding bud?
  • 17 1
 Big fan of e-bikes; not a big fan of e-bike marketing. What the f*ck is that graphic even saying? eMTB mode smooths the terrain? You use more assist as you get higher in elevation?
  • 3 0
 It's gibberish marketing graphic
  • 15 6
 Always depresses me that the new generation of mountain bikers have a big group that are no different than the skiers who hated snowboarders back in the 80’s, never mind that everyone hated us crazy people riding knobby tired bikes on hiking trails. Y’all are an embarrassment to the sport. And just so you know exactly who and what you are, watch this. Like a missile I tellz ya! Sigh....

youtu.be/XPZDEWBzneY
  • 10 2
 "Generally speaking, by giving the pedals a quick punch, the motor quickly accelerates according to the input and gives the bike an extra push once the pedals stop turning, to propel you over obstacles until the rear wheel clears them."

I'm guessing that the downside of the extended boost feature is that if you lose your balance the bike can get away from you real quickly and actually cause you to crash worse. And if lay it over in the snow the tires might not sense it and go into turbo mode, that's happened to me on my Kenevo.
  • 33 13
 And it's no longer just a "pedal-assist": it's now doing work when you're not pedaling. Any bike with this should be classified as a motorcycle, and doesn't belong on non-ORV trails.
  • 5 2
 @just6979: Yeah I would leery of this feature as well. At what point is it just going on its own and for how long.
  • 1 2
 The downside would be hack riders destroy all of the tech trying to power through the finnesse spots. Sure hope that doesn't happen
  • 10 2
 If you hate ebikes why do you comment on ebike articles? What do you hope to achieve? Just curious.
  • 8 1
 E-bikes are as painful as normal bikes,
It’s not like a motorcycle.


he said.
  • 11 3
 I’m waiting for e-bike cruise control.
  • 2 1
 Dude you are a genius.
  • 5 1
 I am a huge fan of all things mountain bike...I own a Shimano e8000 equipped ebike and absolutely Love it, best thing ever..I have been mountain biking since the late 80's....current E-bike/pedal assist bikes Do Not Need any more power!!! They are already too powerful ...what they need are lighter motors/batteries and to be much quieter, more like Specialized's Levo.....Manufactures need to focus of sound, weight & range but NO MORE POWER.....Please!!
  • 5 2
 Wait until all the ebikes need to pay a monthly subscription or they start loosing functions....or driving away from their owners back to SKYNET. Do any of them use ONSTAR yet? "Hello ONSTAR can you tell me how far to the nearest coffee shop"...."This is ONSTAR we sense you have crashed, we have sent the video to PB friday fails"

Don't want one but the guy in my groups of ridding buddies who has one climbs some tech stuff at 55+ we never got even when young and fit. We rib him but he is always smiling and never sucking wind...
  • 21 15
 I just came here for the ignorant Ebike hater comments.
  • 10 16
flag lenniDK (Jun 25, 2020 at 15:26) (Below Threshold)
 Just came here for the pathetic ebike lover comments
  • 5 4
 @lenniDK: I kind of love the one I’ve ridden. Are you calling me pathetic?
  • 5 0
 I just ride regular bikes but can someone upgrade my software for more torque?
  • 5 0
 Im surprised to read they don't have over-the-air firmware upgrades? Customers have to go to a shop? What a joke
  • 1 0
 Bosch doesn't have any connectivity outside wires I'm afraid. Its too bad they don't let you plug the bike in yourself though.
  • 5 0
 Popcorn already being cooked
  • 13 10
 That's dumb. If you need a boost to get over a technical obstruction, improve your skills.
  • 4 1
 I am going to buy an e-bike just after they release the IDDQD and IDKFA mode patch.
  • 1 0
 can this be applied to any Performance Line motor, regardless of hardware? I just put a new Performance Line motor in a 1st generation Haibike commuter, it'd be sick to get some more oomph
  • 2 0
 It should work with the new Bosch Performance Line and Performance Line CX. It does not work with the older first version CX motor, the one with the small sprocket.
www.bosch-ebike.com/us/products/emtb-mode
  • 2 0
 This sounds like a "nice" upgrade, but Bosch NEEDS to get rid of the clacking!
  • 13 11
 Another step towards dumbing down the ride.
  • 2 0
 My turbo trainer is a super smooth ride!
  • 4 6
 i wouldnt consider an ebike for the same reason i wouldnt consider a recumbent. cause i dont have mobility issues. its nothing personal. i love the technology. glad it exists. i just hate to see it marketed to everyone.
  • 11 13
 Ebikes are the reason why a lot of great single tracks in my area had to be closed - destroyed, barricaded, fenced in. They might be great for commuters - but please stay away from the mountains!
  • 8 2
 What did they do to get it banned? In my local area most of the ebikers are very good riders and most of the new riders are on cheap hardtails. The ebikers ride the same trails as everyone else and show the same etiquate but probably build a bit more because its easier to carry tools.
  • 7 4
 @bluerocketboy: they are just too many. If you have to climb 800-1000 vertical meters on a fire road to get to the start you will have less people, less noise, less damage.
  • 4 1
 @paulcgn: fair enough, that's a real shame that having more people is a bad thing. We only really have that problem on trails illegally built on private land.
  • 1 0
 Where’d that happen? Not US, right?
  • 2 1
 @Chuckolicious: only a matter of time before it starts happening in the front range I’m afraid.
  • 2 1
 Beep..beep... performing software update... for - my - bicycle....
  • 2 3
 Going to suck repeatedly stopping on downhills for all the uphill ebike traffic, if this it catches on where I live.
  • 1 1
 Where is the source code?
  • 22 24
 All the haters have never ridden an emtb. I choose the nastiest stuff to climb and its a serious workout, all good fun!
  • 21 6
 I have ridden them and motocross is even more of a workout.
  • 18 13
 Actually Nope, I know plenty of e-haters that have tried e-mtbs. But thanks for bringing in that old school, obsolete argument.
  • 14 15
 @frorider2: reading through the comments, its obvious most of the haters, even after hating on multiple articles, still have no idea how emtb's actually work. I guess they could have tried one once and just remained eillfully ignorant but most clearly havent tried them or even read the articles tryi g yo undefstand
  • 2 5
 All the bootlickers comment in this section
  • 6 3
 This is actually an argument I have against e-bikes. I find people climbing up trails that are widely known as downhill trails just to add a bit of a challenge.

Hikers will always be there and we’re conscious of that, but seeing a fellow cyclist going up a trail that we know to be more fun as a descent is a big bummer and is super dangerous for both parties involved.
  • 27 28
 Cool! I love motorcycles.....except I still mix gas in mine.
  • 3 0
 Electric Motion e-trials ftw

Wonder if another GasGas e-trials bike will come out now with KTM owning them?
  • 4 1
 I wonder if a bike had an electric motor that was powered by a 2 stroke generator if that would comply with current regulations. Braaaaaaaap!!!
  • 7 1
 I’m kind of excited about eMotos.

I’ve got some great national forest singletrack around me. It’s fun to ride on, but when I’m in good MTB shape I might get a 35 mile day in.

It’d be amazing to go explore 70 miles of the same network on a morning on an eMoto. Nothing against gas, the noise and emissions just don’t appeal to me personally.

Right now the downside is cost (especially when you compare to the used gas moto market), but hopefully that’ll change with time.
  • 3 3
 This is the most original comment I have ever seen on Pinkbike.
  • 8 9
 Won't be long before a company sells a pedal to peg conversion for ebikes.
  • 3 5
 I can't believe this hasn't happened yet. Better yet, sell option with pegs only, let's see how many pedal ones will sell after that..
  • 4 0
 Its quite interesting for me the appeal is to have the option- eco mode for riding with regular bikes and improve my fitness, boost mode for when I have an hour to shuttle to the top of the local bike park as many times as possible. Also they do sell electric MX bikes which are awesome but they have all the restrictions of regular MX bikes with regard to trail access etc so aren't really of use to me.
  • 6 13
flag paulcgn (Jun 25, 2020 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 @bluerocketboy: pedal assist ebikes should be treated like e-MX and not allowed on alpine trails. If I see ebikes in my home mountains I will kick of the batteries.
  • 8 3
 @paulcgn: hey man why all the hate? I don't see how they can upset you so much? at best they are a bit quicker uphill and can allow you to get more runs. In my case I can have one bike instead of two (Enduro and xc). Its not like a xc racer isn't quicker on undulating than an ebike anyway.
  • 4 1
 @paulcgn: I can see the issue if you are talking about derestricted ebikes or ebikes that are over 250W, they can screw trails and can be more dangerous. But a standard ebike limited to 25kph are just slow and fun.
  • 6 9
 Trails are being closed here because of the masses of ebikers that wouldn't make it to the top by fair means. As long as you stay on the road I don't mind.
  • 5 1
 @paulcgn: so just too many users on the trails? Its funny in England generally the more trail users we get the better the access becomes as the councils want to support leisure.
  • 1 0
 @bluerocketboy: Yeah unless its the Surrey Hills where the huge proliferation of visitors from outside the area and the abuse of landowners is closing trails.
  • 4 6
 just 30 Nm less torque than my car...
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 Ebikes are for weaklings.
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 Oh my dude. Let’s ride acoustics together sometime when you come to the states. Northeast, or anywhere from northern OR to SoCal.
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 @Chuckolicious: oh dude bro, I’d totally rip yer legs off just to prove that I’m a man.
And, you ride guitars?
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 @Chuckolicious: e-bikes are annoying in socal because all you need is money to think you're a mountain biker. There hikers are already annoyed by MTBs and they just make it worse. At least when I climb on a regular bike I'm happy to catch my breath and let someone walk by. Not so with ebikers
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 @Dogl0rd: Really? Because the times I’ve ridden an E were when I was in LA area. Demoed a Kenevo a couple years back, then the spanky new SL just in Feb before the world ended. Rode with a local who rips on his acoustic but also has a gen 1 Levo. Did big rides with him. Encountered a few other e bikes, all were cool. When I sessioned Santa’s Village on the Kenevo everyone was cool and super interested in it. You sure you’re not letting your preferred internal narrative activate your confirmation bias?
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 @Chuckolicious: there are local pros here in socal here who are constantly pushing the Levo so hard on social media because it's their job to, it's tiresome. Who will ever know what their real opinions are
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 @Dogl0rd: What does that have to do with the price of eggs? Or what I was talking about?
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 @Chuckolicious: This is the cringe.
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 @JoshieK: ? what’s that even mean?
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 @JoshieK: After you explain that, can you explain what your overwhelming anger stems from? I see you created this account a week ago and have gone on a total rant binge. Anger anger anger. Why so angry? What's up with your life that behaving like this fills the hole in your soul? Can't you just go out and ride to work this sh!t out instead of making an idiot of yourself in writing? Seriously, man, WTF???
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 @Dogl0rd: Ask them. But then again, I'm sure any answer will be followed by “of course they're paid to say that”.
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 @Chuckolicious: So you are stalking me now. CREEP! Why are you so predatory? where does your sick perversion come from. Why do you want to know so much about me? Why can't you just find some porn on the internet and leave me alone? Seriously, man WTF???
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 @JoshieK: Oh my, I see you have severe mental illness. Look, I feel for you, I really do, but you have to get help. Seriously. Otherwise it will consume you, and likely cause a lot of harm to a lot of people around you along the way.
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 @Chuckolicious: The projection is strong keyboard warrior!
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 @JoshieK: Sigh... Man, I feel bad for any family you might have. Seriously. It must be a real burden dealing with your issue. Last I'm gonna say on this as I'm certain you'll just continue spewing and ranting craziness. I've no desire to poke you with a stick just to get a reaction. Peace out.
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 @Chuckolicious: I'm at the bottom of my pocorn guys, just the unpopped kernels remaining and those hurt loll
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 @Dogl0rd: :-D But hey, back to what you and I were talking about, I still don't get what your thing about supposed pro shills had to do with my experience with E-Bikes and other E-Bikers in SoCal?
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 @Chuckolicious: I dunno bud, it sounds like you had a good experience, that's great. I thought I was addressing your comment, but maybe I misread. Honestly I'm not trying to be a troll about e-bikes in SoCal, I don't hate them exactly, but the issue irks me in a number of ways. I'll leave it there since people think that any time you have a concern people just paint you as a "hater" or "jealous"
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 @Chuckolicious: My ranting - where? You must be lost in another dimension.
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