ENVE, Gravity, Michelin - Sea Otter 2015

Apr 18, 2015
by Mike Levy  

ENVE's new HDH Bar and MTN Stem


The new HDH handlebar bucks the trend from a few years ago of lower being better by sporting a whopping 46mm of rise in a package that measures 810mm wide. That's 10mm wider than their standard downhill handlebar and quite a bit taller, with ENVE saying that the shape has come via feedback from the Santa Cruz Syndicate race team. Taking a look back at the bikes raced by Greg, Steve and Josh show that they're often running a huge stack of spacers under their direct mount stems, and the HDH 'bar is going to let them ditch those spacers but keep their grips where they want them. The 267 gram handlebar is manufactured with a slightly different carbon layup compared to the regular DH 'bar due to the higher rise and extra width, and it retails for $175 USD.

ENVE
  The new HDH handlebar has 46mm of rise and is 810mm wide.

ENVE's new carbon fiber MTN Stem might be mega-light, but it hasn't been designed with only cross-country racing in mind - it's available in 40 and 55mm options, as well as 70 and 85mm lengths. The shortest option weighs just 85 grams, with the 55mm length coming in at only 7 grams more, but ENVE says it has the ''best strength to weight ratio of any all-mountain stem on the market,'' which may or may not be enough to convince people that carbon is a good material choice for a stem. The $270 USD stem is manufactured at ENVE's headquarters in Ogden, Utah, with full unidirectional carbon construction, an aluminum faceplate and titanium hardware.

ENVE
How does 92 grams for the 55mm long MTN Stem sound?
Novyparts
ENVE has gone with an aluminum faceplate and titanium hardware.







Gravity's Grid MegaExo Crankset


The Grid crankset is all about reliable performance at a reasonable price, with the setup costing $250 USD, including the bottom bracket. The arms are hollow forged from a single piece of 6066 aluminum, and Gravity uses steel pedal inserts to keep riders from pulling the threads out if they happen to suffer from a high-speed pedal strike. The spider isn't removable, but it does use a standard 104/64mm BCD that lets you mount up a wide range of chain rings, including the MegaTooth 'ring that comes stock from Gravity. The MegaTooth design employs slightly taller teeth than normal combined with a narrow / wide profile that is said to add up to great security. Arm length options include 170 and 175mm, and total weight with the 68/73mm bottom bracket is 785 grams.

Gravity Grid
  Gravity's Grid crankset costs $250 USD and weighs 785 grams when you include the bottom bracket.







Jerome Clementz and Michelin


Jerome Clementz may have had a rough off-season with regards to being injured, but he came back strong at the first Enduro World Series event of the year in Rotoura, New Zealand, to take the overall win aboard his Cannondale Jekyll. His bike is running a few interesting components, including a set of HT clipless pedals and a rather large direct mount chain ring. He's also running a Jekyll specific Pike fork that matches the Trail of a Lefty in order to maintain its feel. (50mm versus 43mm).

I caught up with Jerome Clementz and talked about his partnership with Michelin Tires.
  With a proprietary pull-shock and other neat bits, Jerome's Jekyll is a very interesting machine.

Jerome has also just signed a contract with Michelin, and he said that he's excited to not just race with the new rubber, but to also help develop new tires for the French brand:
bigquotesI race for Michelin and use the tires every day, but it's also a partnership about development. We do a lot of testing to try out new casings and compounds, so that's really interesting. We do a lot, and they always come with new stuff that they ask us to try, so it's good. This tire that's on my bike was mostly developed by Fabien Barel and Nicolas Voullioz, and this is really good right now. We'll try to find what's missing in the range and improve on it, so that's why they were interested to have me ride their tires. And also for me because it's not just about advertising, but also using my input with development. - Jerome Clementz



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98 Comments
  • 58 2
 Hopefully Rock Shox comes out with a 26'' Lyrik with a charger damper soon.
  • 100 4
 I doubt it. The lyrik name is too old and unpopular now, I think the Lyrik will get canned this year or next and replaced with a new fork with a new name, 180mm travel, 37.2mm stanchions, 17.5x115 dropout spacing and black legs. It will be called the Muzzleflash, Red Baron or Killah, depending on the results of an industry focus group. The names Wolverine, Sputnik and Hedgehog didn't make the shortlist...
  • 18 0
 New fork as in the same exact fork but just all black and is called the Pike XL? I could see them getting kinda lazy and doing that.
  • 7 2
 For anyone who likes the Lyrik: www.pinkbike.com/photo/12124622

27.5x2.35 Magic Mary on 38mm wide Light-Bicycle rim.... on my Lyrik. I was soooo happy to see this gap!!! Enough clearance to run it for dry days, and the crown is nowhere close to the tire on bottom-out (at least a full inch of space). Only concern is the side knobs and the arch during hard cornering
  • 2 7
flag christillott (Apr 18, 2015 at 5:35) (Below Threshold)
 How did u find this info out... Rst have a fork by the name killah, not sure if 2 companies can have the same model name
  • 4 0
 Pike 0.5+
  • 4 0
 I hope they put beefy stanchions on it to distinguish it from the Pike.. 38mm stanchions, 170-190mm travel, 20x110mm...
  • 3 2
 I don't think so...that's a fox
  • 2 8
flag ithomas (Apr 18, 2015 at 8:22) (Below Threshold)
 when are we gonna se some properly big stanchions, like 45 or 50. make it look awesome
  • 5 0
 Yeah, a 170-190mm travel with 38mm stanchions would be cool, but I feel like the market for that, though passionate, is relatively small. That doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't do it though.
  • 2 0
 @aireeek, @Kinsey: I'm willing to bet money that's a new version of Specialized's e160ta fork. Compare the dials on the top to the e160ta that used to come on the Enduro Pro and S-Works bikes.
  • 8 0
 Call it the Rockshox Hendrix (magic carpet ride). SRAM, you can send me a new fork as a thank you for the name, just PM me for address. Smile
  • 1 1
 definitely 35mm since they have just invested in 27.5 casting for the boxxer. I think the Pike XL idea might be the reality of it. Same uppers but fast black, boxxer lowers with maxle lite, charger damper. Highly likely. Hendrix would be a cool name though
  • 2 0
 wait holy shit @christillott you actually didn't know that was sarcasm
  • 20 0
 Just bought 60mm stems for 15$ each on Jenson. Putting enve stickers on them. Selling them for $265 if any one wants a deal.
  • 22 4
 A 46mm rise DH bar, 810mm wide? Seems unnecessary to me... Just like 270$ for a stem, sure carbon is stronger than alu, but there are lighter and way cheaper options, and i cant image anyone breaking a stem these days....
  • 11 0
 It was a piss take to call the old Minnaarbar that name, since he always uses a load of spacers under the stem. This is a true Minnaarbar. 46mm rise, just the ticket for those steep tracks. It was average back in the day when the Azonic riser bars came out, I think they were 1.5, 2 or 2.5" rise.
  • 3 1
 I'd like the rise on that bar but the width would be a bit too much for me and I'm relatively tall
  • 6 0
 @bikerwithproblems - Printed cutting guides down to 730, innit.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, i have the original enve dh bar at 800 with the standard rise of somewhere around 15 or 20, and its perfect inn my opinion, more than that seems a little ridiculous
  • 4 0
 They could make the bike with a taller head tube. XLs pretty much always need longer head tubes.
  • 1 0
 I gotta say that new ENVE bar does not tickle my pickle in any way. ENVE bars always look sick with the logo in the middle like that and that bar just looks like a boring regular old bar
  • 2 1
 I do kinda want that. But it's so much more money than I think it's worth. But then again...it's ENVE. I think they pride themselves in that name.
  • 1 1
 it'll be a sick option for the freestyle dirt jump bikes, totally doing the bar and stem on my jump bike
  • 2 0
 Others buy a whole dj frame for 445$.... The price is just to high for what advantages you get imo...
  • 1 0
 lots of high rise DJ bars out there as well, I've got some nice gamut ones. mostly 25.4 clamp though(not really a big deal in a steel bar.)
  • 1 0
 Well for some that have the money, it's nice to have that option. Sometimes you wish there were something nicer out there because you do have the money. Anyway, I have a slope style bike I'm tempted to put these On. I really enjoy the rise i currently have of the widest, highest rise and reasonably light bars I'm using.

Its the NS proof bar. These enves are lighter, less flex I'm sure, less rise but more sweep and a lot more money...if it had another half inch of rise I think I'd already be sold. Are there higher rise carbon bars out there?
  • 1 0
 @groghunter what bars are you talking about? You say high rise but only know of a 30mm bar from gamut so far.
  • 1 0
 Whoops, haha, meant Gusset, not Gamut.
  • 20 2
 810mm wide! they'll be ploughing down the fans!!
  • 19 5
 Hacksaws are a thing you know.
  • 20 2
 Thank you for being informative.
  • 1 1
 I run 810s there fine but I wouldn't want to go any wider
  • 17 1
 $270 stem. Seriously?
  • 10 2
 Good luck this year Jerome! Get another title!!!
  • 7 2
 Seriously, what pro doesn't race non standard fork and shock internals?! Every single pro I know has special inside parts that aren't supplied by their sponsor.
  • 7 0
 and us non pros can buy them from avalanche...
  • 3 0
 Interesting that he's using an angleset tho (which I don't think you'd have space for with a lefty) since everyone point to Jerome as proof that the Jekyll's slightly outdated, steep HTA still works. And I say that as someone who loves the look of the Jekyll...
  • 1 0
 Aren't the internals run by pros just the R&D model that will be released in the next ~2 years?
  • 1 0
 @j12j nope they have all custom machined parts not anything like the cheap mass produced production internals. They will have a range of pistons, mid valves, shim stacks that their mechanics can change to suit. they look similar on outside but the rest is marketing...
  • 4 3
 Once riding a bike put you to a category of people with one characteristic, love to ride. Today is not like this. Riders categorised according to their wealth and the industry push them to demonstrate this. It is not exactly about the ride any longer. It became like the car industry, Rich drive expensive cars pure drive cheap cars. Thank you enve for redefining the values and taking our sport to a different level.
  • 2 1
 I think you'd have to blame the rise of carbon for that. The stuff is not cheap to make. People were still spending hundreds of dollars on colored Ti bolts back in the 90s--there just weren't as many options for blowing large sums of money back then - except maybe that $25000 Beryllium bike...
  • 3 2
 I'll stick with my Atlas 35 stem, thanks. No doubt in my mind that ENVE would make an outstanding product (I'm a very satisfied M70 thirty owner), but their use of "highest strength to weight ratio" rather than "strongest" worries me. Why not make is 10-20g less than an Al equivalent and have it be 3x stronger? That might sell some stems.
  • 1 0
 If you're happy with an alu stem and it's strong enough why would a carbon stem need to be 3x stronger for you to trust it? Why isn't 'stronger and a lot lighter' ok?
  • 2 1
 I guess my point is that they're not advertising it as stronger- it's half the weight and they claim the highest strength to weight ratio. But the weight savings isn't worth $270 to me. I guess it is to someone.
  • 4 0
 810mm think of all the shopping i could fit on my bars cycling homes from Tesco's Razz SAVE THE PLANET cycle don't drive haha
  • 1 0
 My biggest worry with carbon is that it is impossible to predict its life expectancy. Alloy materials give clear indication that they are about to fail, carbon doesnt, and manufacturing flaws are a reality in all production components. Those Enve components could last decades or a week, sadly no-one will be able to tell.
  • 3 0
 enve don t understand what a normal price is ... after their unsolid 3000$ wheelset
  • 2 2
 I was fortunate to have the money to burn on a pair of M70s and they've been the most maintenance-free wheels I've ever owned. And my 100kg don't land everything perfectly.
  • 2 1
 A diet would have been cheaper!! ;-)
I am 100kgs as well and I ride a 400$ (used) Mavic sx wheels which are maintaince free as well and if i brake a rim I will need only 100$ for the replacement.
  • 1 1
 Diets and Enves are not mutually exclusive. Try both sometime.
  • 14 15
 For an extra 30-40g or so, I think I'd rather have a stem that I know won't catastrophically fail. At least they offer a 40mm length, so they got their head in the right place for longer travel bikes.

I'm more excited about the crank just below the enve stem that's $20 cheaper and will probably outlast my bike.
  • 19 22
 Carbon is stronger than alloy. Get over it.
  • 22 1
 It might be "stronger" but it is very dependent on how well it is manufactured, and when it fails it doesn't deform, it just snaps!
  • 13 3
 Seen metal "just fail" carbon has been around long enough that they have got the process nailed. Bit of a cave man mentality with the no carbon brigade. No shame in not being able to afford it but this it's weak and it will kill you stuff is stupid.
My carbon rims have shrugged of hits that would have wrecked a alloy rim so there paying for themselves in the long run
  • 13 0
 The same was said about aluminium, when it started to replace steel...
  • 5 9
flag Callum-H (Apr 18, 2015 at 1:39) (Below Threshold)
 I was talking to a dude from ENVE and he said that the carbon rims are actually cheaper in the long run if you ride hard, because you may well have to build a new wheelset up every year but the carbon rims last for about 5 seasons instead of one.
  • 14 2
 Clarkeh - (sorry for upcoming rant, I got after seeing yet another carbon rim fail, this time from IBIS)

Yes carbon is stronger than alloy, but all things fail and it just happens that alloy is much cheaper to replace. While it may not be the case with handlebars and stem, vast majority of carbon products are suspect to damage in exactly same way as aluminium, with rims being at the front line. I remember when carbon entered the gravity market the punchline was: it's so strong than if it cracks, the circumstances would have to be so tragic that it is the rider we should be worried about. Aaaand it may have been true back then, when first carbon DH frames came out, BUT a lot has changed since then and main selling point of all MTB products, that is weight, has corrupted that fantastic vision. Take note that kitchen scale and hanging scale has influenced MTB product design much more than clock. First carbon frames like GT, Nomad and V10 were made with big margin as nobody in the industry could really predict how it will play out on large scale, but then then majority of carbon products were sent on diet as alloys started catching up in weight department (2012 Aluminium Giant Reign weighed 100g more than carbon Nomad), wide aluminium rims got close to 400g, hence manufacturers like ENVE had to go down in order to compete on weight scale arena. It does not matter how strong it is, the reading on weight scale will give people second thoughts when confronted with price tag.
  • 14 1
 The result is that while carbon products are still stronger than alloys, the diet they went through last 2 years pushed them into vulnerable zone in which shit gets cracked by riders of all levels in quite typical riding circumstances (casing a jump, bad line through rock garden, crashing out). Carbon used to be not affordable, these days it became so, with Asian companies usually doing stuff for big shots, now running their own agenda in the room behind the wall. We can finally see carbon for what it is and that is yet another material with good and bad properties, where as usual, the weight is the best one and the price is the worst one.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns I would say you're right there, I may have misinterpreted his comment in this case, thinking when he said 40-50g heavier to mean the old carbon/alloy debate. I would hazard a guess that with the reputation Enve has to protect that this particular stem would require something spectacular to destroy it (aside from the over tightened stem bolt trick.)
Also, you broke Ibis? 41mm? Wow. Impressive, how'd you manage that? Guy I work with thinks they're the best thing he's ever put on his bike,
  • 3 0
 Yeah I could have clarified. It's really more of a durability/cost issue. I'm not sure how many crashes that enve stem could survive compared to an alloy one that's a couple ounces heaver and less than half the price. Especially for an all-mountain one, which would likely get knocked around, at least in my experience (of very par level riding and racing). I've had some back luck with carbon mtb components, ibis mojo carbon, easton, reynolds, and it's tainted view of carbon for everyday use outside of pro-level racing. Carbon is amazing when it works, when it doesn't, it can be expensive and dangerous. At least when aluminum fails, it's just dangerous.

The Gravity crank looks like a strong, reliable performer that comes in at a fair price. MSRP of a XT crank is $259 and a little bit heavier. I like more options for the poor, average-skilled riders like myself.
  • 3 0
 max commecal interview:

You have taken a stand against Carbon frames. A few bike makers have succeeded in making reliable aluminum frames that can compete with carbon - Liteville comes to mind. Do you have a plan in place to produce an aluminum Commencal chassis with similar strength and weight as your carbon competitors?

Carbon has improved. Aluminum has also improved. Aluminum is stable. If the thicknesses are the same and the alloy is the same, the frames will be all the same. Carbon is made by hand, and there are so many levels of construction. We can now buy a carbon frame for less than we can make an aluminum frame, so the question is: which carbon frame are we talking about?

Weight, of course, is important, and we are not the lightest. We never have been the lightest. I want our frames to be strong first, because we have to be sure that a big person can ride our bikes as hard as a small person. We cannot control who will be riding them. Nevertheless, our Meta V4 has all its tubes triple butted and its weight is quite competitive, while being extremely reliable for agressive riders. There is something about strength versus weight that most overlook. When you know that you are riding a bike that is strong enough, you never think about the bike. You only have to think about riding. When you are riding a light bike, you always must be thinking about how you will ride it through this and that, because always, there is the possibility that some component or the frame may not be strong enough. Our DH frame is three years old and the team has not broken one. Each year, they can sell them after the season.

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"noone needs carbon, man... especially not the recycling industry " (boobdesign)
  • 2 1
 @Clarkeh - I did not broke IBIS rim, a girl did Big Grin I have no clue what she's done, she's fine.
  • 8 0
 id rather have a heavier stem that looks better
  • 4 1
 I just saw a post on Kirk Pacentis website about their new super short stem/bar combos and it turns out, that all our stems, just like this one here are... INVALID. Read and learn: pdent.pacenticycledesign.com
  • 2 0
 Having ran the Easton ec90 composite flat bar back in 02-03 that weighed in at a whopping 99g on my ex bar with 0 issues for 2 seasons I would have no concerns running plastic parts. I don't understand why people are so anti-carbon....I'm just anti carbon prices....
  • 3 1
 It is very hard to destroy carbon bar and nearly impossible to destroy stem of any material on a mountain bike, unless you overtighten the bolts. My issue with carbon bars is too much stiffness, but I never owned ones and tried Easton for 10 minute ride, but I don't know, maybe my friend was running too much pressure in tyres or in the fork, or he had too much low speed compression. Everything's possible. Carbon cranks, rims, frames, they are much more suspect to damage and they get old in a very ugly manner.
  • 1 0
 Easton bars are very stiff and very firmly "damped". Match the bars to the frame- stiff aluminum hardtails frames are not complimented well by easton bars.
  • 1 0
 When I was running those bars I was on a custom built desalvo steel hardtail. It was a very forgiving bike.
  • 5 3
 Why do people would cut themselves to have that "ENVE" logo on their equipment?
It's getting ridiculous!
  • 6 2
 Because it's trick as fuck
  • 3 0
 Are the Enve cockpit stuff 35mm or 31.8mm?
  • 2 6
flag ajayflex FL (Apr 18, 2015 at 6:14) (Below Threshold)
 They sure did, and they've got people frothing at the mouth over them. Beats me...
  • 4 0
 31.8
  • 3 0
 "worst price to weight ratio of any all-mountain stem on the market,"
  • 1 0
 So glad to see that RISER bars with some actual rise are coming back. Never cared for the trend of flat "riser" bars coming on new bikes.
  • 2 0
 that juliana in the background looks mighty expensive!
  • 2 1
 I wish someone would start offering aftermarket tuning for the dyad shock!!
  • 2 0
 Did Enve just try to advertise riser bars as a new thing?
  • 2 1
 They sure did, and they've got people frothing at the mouth over them. Beats me...
  • 5 0
 They didn't claim it's a new thing. Just recognized that flat bars are a trend and not necessarily what everyone wants or needs.
  • 2 2
 Why is Clementz not riding a Lefty? I've heard pretty good things about the Lefty
  • 5 0
 Sponsored by sram/rock shox..
  • 3 1
 Yeah, Cannondale should've pushed harder. Sounds like it's a great fork, but having their top pro not riding it will make it seem like the Lefty Max isn't pro-worthy.
  • 1 0
 A carbon stem on ANYTHING you plan on taking off the ground...nope.
  • 1 0
 What pedals are on clementz bike? Looks intresting cliples/flat type.. Smile
  • 2 0
 HT X2
  • 1 0
 That's different. I think he's been using Shimano trail pedals for some time although he was never sponsored by them. Wondering if HT is a new sponsor for him? If I remember correctly I think that they are supposed to be releasing the X2 and possibly some revised clearts that allow for easier entry at Sea Otter... I definitely like the look of how thin they are relative to the size of the platform, and colours are always fun!

Hey Pinkbike, what's the scoop on them?
  • 1 0
 Wish I carried all of my components in a rifle case...
  • 1 0
 Why the hell is the stem $100 more than the bars??
  • 1 0
 i love eating popcorn and reading all of the expert opinions
  • 1 0
 so rad !
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