2013 SRAM Grip Shift - First Ride

Mar 29, 2012
by Mike Levy  

SRAM Trail House

SRAM's Trail House gathering included a lot of sun, great home cooked food - as well as some awesome eats from Hulas - and, more importantly, killer riding. We also spent some time learning about three new products: SRAM's clutch equipped Type 2 derailleur, Avid's four piston X0 Trail brakes, and the reengineered Grip Shift that you can read about below. Besides getting schooled on the new ten speed twist shifters, including how different it is from the original design, we also spent enough trail time on it to gather a good first impression of what to expect.

2013 SRAM Grip Shift X0 and X0 Trail brakes
  SRAM's reengineered Grip Shift may require the same twisting motion to change gears as the original version, but the system is an entirely different beast inside. Three rows of stainless steel bearings, a coil return spring, and a metal indexing system are all details that make the new Grip Shift very different from the old model.

SRAM's recent release of their redesigned Grip Shift system greatly polarized riders, with many of those who are old enough to have used the original version being more receptive to the idea than riders who have never had to twist a shifter to change gears. While the tide certainly shifted towards trigger shifters over the last decade, SRAM strongly believes that there are many riders out there who would use an updated Grip Shift system. Enough, in fact, that their drivetrain development team has actually been working on a ten speed Grip Shift system since the inception of XX itself - nearly five full years. That's a long time to be working on a product. "We weren’t resisting doing a new Grip Shift," says product manager Chris Hilton, "but the reality is that the current nine speed Grip Shift is over ten years old. We’ve obviously made a lot of headway on our drivetrain performance in that time." It clearly wasn't an issue of simply adding another indexing click to turn the original Grip Shift it into a ten speed shifter... "When we launched XX 2 x 10, it was a whole new level of performance. Frankly, we didn’t feel that the old design was at the same level of performance that was expected from XX. On the other hand, we had some good ideas about how we could make an all new Grip Shift that would really change people’s ideas about these shifters.''
bigquotesTrigger shifters were the ''cool'' shifter. So there were a lot of internal challenges to face. Why do a new Grip Shift when everybody rides triggers? Could we justify the expense to develop? And so on. But at the end of the day, there is a VERY vocal and passionate group of Grip Shift users all over the world. Grip Shift was the product that put SRAM on the map. Why wouldn't you do it? The question then became: what do we do to make it awesome? - Chris Hilton - product manager

Hilton and his team developed the new ten speed Grip Shift over a relatively long time, but it then quickly went through a trial by fire in the most public of arenas, with Specialized's Jaroslav Kulhavy using it to win the 2011 World Championships. "I drove down from our Development Center in Schweinfurt, Germany, with six sets of prototypes,'' explains Hilton ''In case it doesn’t mean anything to you, that was the weekend before the Worlds in Champery. These are the first shifters to ever leave SRAM for an outside tester. I handed them to Jon Cancellier (BlackBox program manager) in a paper bag as I recall. He went straight to Champery and gave our BlackBox leg-crackers a shot at testing them. One of those sets was on the bike of the guy that won the rainbows that day. Swear to God there were tears in my eyes on the last lap of that race!''

SRAM Grip Shift details:

• Ten speed shifters
• Shifter barrel rotates on three rows of stainless steel ball bearings
• 7075 Alloy shift indexing
• Coil return spring
• Weight: 207 grams (shifters, clamps, cables), 287 grams (including interlocking grips)
• Availability: April, 2012
• MSRP: $225 USD (X0 Grip Shift), $295 USD (XX Grip Shift)

How are XX and X0 Grip Shift different?

Grip Shift is available in both XX and X0 flavours, although much like ten speed has filtered down to both X7 and X5 levels, we can see it popping up under less expensive model names down the road. Interestingly, there isn't much between the XX and X0 shifters when it comes to weight, with both of them weighing within a few grams of each other. The differences between the two come down to the XX's carbon fiber shift cover - the X0 uses an aluminum piece, and the XX's Ride-On sealed shift cables that come with the XX shifters - the X0's comes stock with standard cables. Both shifters use the exact same internals, same hardware, and same grip profile.

SRAM Grip Shift internals
  Unlike the original design, both the XX and X0 Grip Shift barrels rotate on three rows of bearings that, along with a much better sealing system that what was used in the old version, should keep it running smooth down the road.

Ball bearing internals

The original Grip Shift was a relatively simple unit that consisted of only a few parts: the outer shift barrel, the body, and a flat spring, as well as the barrel adjuster. While its simplicity meant that there was very little to go wrong, SRAM knew that the old Grip Shift wouldn't cut it by today's standards. Inside you'll find three rows of ball bearings that the barrel rotates on, a much more robust setup than the plastic-on-plastic rotating parts within the original, a design that often needed to be re-greased to run smoothly.

Metal shift indexing

Take apart the original Grip Shift and you'll discover that the shifter's indexing was provided by a series of ridges on the inside face of the plastic barrel that passed over a flat spring (that could be either plastic or metal). Over time the plastic ridges would wear out, causing the shifting to feel less defined and with an amount of free play. The internals of the new XX and X0 units make use of a much more refined layout, employing an 7075 aluminum indexing surface for the flat spring to click against. This design should not only provide consistent action in the long run, but also be precise enough to accurately manage the tighter tolerances of a ten speed gearing range. SRAM has also used a coil return spring within the shifter.
2013 SRAM Grip Shift exploded view
  The above exploded view shows you the location of the three rows of ball bearings (one on the far left, the other two to the right and side by side), as well as how the grip interlocks with the shifter body (note how the grip and shifter 'teeth' fit together).

Interlocking shifter and grip

There were no such things as Lock-On grips back when Grip Shift was first released, but now it is hard to find a bike on the showroom floor that doesn't include them. And for good reason: they not only prevent the dreaded throttle grip, but also make removing and reinstalling grips nearly effortless. SRAM has designed in a Lock-On system to the new Grip Shift that interlocks the supplied grips right into the shifter, effectively turning them into a single unit. The grip itself is held in place with a clamping collar at its outer end (just as you'd find on a standard Lock-On grip), and its inboard end features a flange that clips directly into the the shifter. This not only helps keep both the grip and shifter stationary, but also allows the interlocking section to act as a seal that works to keep out moisture and grime. Want to use your own grips? Not an issue. Simply pop out a ring in the end of the shifter and push in the included blanking ring that now acts as a barrier to mother nature. No tools required.

X0 Grip Shift v.s. trigger shifter weight comparison

The X0 Grip Shift system in its entirety, that includes the shifters, all hardware and cables, as well as the interlocking grips, do weigh more than a set of X0 shifters. The total numbers are a bit misleading, though, given that you have to add a set of Lock-On grips to the trigger shifters in order for it to be considered fair. Only when you do that do you get a real picture of the comparable weights, with the totals adding up to show that the Grip Shift system is lighter by 76 grams. That's not much by any means, and certainly not enough to warrant choosing twisters over triggers, but the gram counters out there will likely take it into consideration. Interestingly, SRAM says that the XX and X0 Grip Shift units are within a few grams of each other, this despite the XX's carbon fiber cover compared to the X0's aluminum version.

On The Trail

There has been a lot of chatter about SRAM's new Grip Shift, much of it discussing whether or not it makes sense on a mountain bike that is going to be ridden ridden hard, jumped, and generally pushed harder than you would a standard cross-country bike. Well, that is exactly what we had on tap during our visit to SRAM's Santa Cruz Trail House. Our small group would be riding Yeti's 6" travel SB-66, a full out all-mountain rig equipped with RockShox's Lyric and Monarch Plus suspension units, while chasing GT's Kyle Strait down the mountain. While our first impressions of the new Grip Shift really only count as dipping our toes into the water when comparing our three day visit to a proper full-term test, we feel confident in saying that complications would have shown themselves if there was a fundamental issue with using Grip Shift in an aggressive setting.

So, did we suffer from accidental shifts every time that we hit a jump? Did we have difficulty shifting when we actually wanted to? The answer to both is a resounding "no".

Mike Levy on the 2013 SRAM Grip Shift drivetrain
  Twisting the throttle on Santa Cruz's Demo trails. Our group covered a lot of ground given that we were stopping for redos on the most fun sections. Sure, the excuse was that we needed to do another go each time for Adrian Marcoux and Taylor Sage's cameras, but we were all happy to have another chance on the best parts of the trails.

Sitting on the bike at the trail head, with our eyes closed and our hands on the controls, we couldn't feel the transition between the integrated lock-on grip and the shifter itself. There was no 'ridge' to feel, despite the increasing diameter at the grip and shifter where the two meet, and the rubber shape of the shift barrel feels like it would be more than comfortable enough for those who don't ride with gloves. We can't say how this would feel over the long haul, but turning the barrel with bare hands didn't feel uncomfortable. Part of this easy feeling is down to the system's lack of required shift effort - it needs much less effort to turn the shifter barrel than what was found with the original design. This is especially true of the front unit, with it feeling much smoother and less restricted than the old system's plastic-on-plastic internals.

While the shifters rotate quite easily, the indexing is very SRAM-esqe. There is a solid "ka-chung" that accompanies each shift, and the indexing was strong enough to prevent us from ever over-rotating the barrel and shifting more than we intended. That's right, no mis-shifts regardless of any jumping and generally riding the SB-66 like a hooligan. Part of this is down to the the shifter's postion on the bar, something that we see many Grip Shift users tuning to their needs. Both the XX and X0 Grip Shift systems come with integrated grips that lock into place within the shifters, but the grips also put the shift barrels in a predetermined position relative to your hands. This stock postion may be a bit to far inboard for some, requiring one to slide their hands in ever so slightly to make a shift. We can see many riders setting up the shifters with a shade shorter grips - think of it as tuning the shifters postion, very much like how you would position a trigger shifter relative to the grip and hand postion - with different riders likely end up with a moderately different setups that work best for them. We also bring this up because we quickly discovered that we're not big fans of the stock grips that the system comes with. Their rather large outboard Lock-On collar ended up resting right under the very outside edge of our palms. It will also be interesting to try the new twist shifters with another brands brakes, although SRAM says that they don't anticipate any compatibility issues.

Changing a cable

Anyone who had to install a new cable in the old Grip Shift shifter knows that it involved looping the new cable around the barrel before feeding it through the cable channel, all while keeping it from un-looping as you slide the cover back into place - a sometimes tricky task. SRAM says that they have greatly simplified the job with the new Grip Shift, and we gave it a go to see just how much easier it actually is. You start shifting to the highest gear and loosening the inboard lock-on collar (the one that keeps the shifter from rotating on the bar), slipping it off of the split flange. This allows the cover to be removed, giving you access to the cable port on the shifter body to let you push the old cable out or slide a new one in. The process is exactly the same for both the front and rear shifters, and is both much easier and quicker to do than on the old model. In fact, we'd say that it is actually easier to swap a cable on Grip Shift than on their trigger shifters.

Grip interface

Both the XX and X0 level shifters use the exact same grip interface that sees the left and right grips lock into place within the shifter body. Think of the entire system - both the shifter and the grip - as a one piece lock-on unit. SRAM is well aware that many riders will want to use their own grips, though, and have designed a system that allows users to slip in a interchangeable ring that plugs those slots when using standard grips, keeping the system's inner workings protected from the elements much better than if the regular grip was simply pushed up against the shifter. We expect different Grip Shift compatible lock-on grips to be available from aftermarket companies in the future, or riders could simple cut down their favorite Lock-Ons to the appropriate length. Using grip length to tune the shifters postion will be vital to attain the best ergonomics for rider's hands.

Mike Levy and Tyler Morland on 2013 SRAM Grip Shift shifters.
  Pinkbike's Mike Levy (left) and SRAM's Tyler Morland (right) making the most of the dry singletrack. Both riders are from B.C., where the weather cycles between monsoons and wet snow during this time of the year.

Our first few days on SRAM's new Grip Shift showed us that the system hasn't been engineered for use solely on sub-20lb European hardtails being ridden by weight conscious racer boys, but rather on proper mountain bikes as well. The above words shouldn't be taken as a true test, though - it was only a few days after all - and there will undoubtedly be riders who will never turn their backs on trigger shifters, but we're looking forward to putting some time on the system with it fitted to our own bikes. Stay tuned for a proper longterm review a bit further down the road.

Photos by Adrian Marcoux

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  • 46 1
 The low end twist shifters found on department store and kids bikes are no where close to a real grip shift. It does come down to personal tastes, people will either hate them or love them. I personally hate them not because they are bad, but because I constantly bump shift with twist shifters due to the way I hold the grips. The best thing about these shifters is the simplicity and ease of use. Also you can take them apart and put them back together without the hassles of all the cogs and springs in a trigger shifter.
  • 20 42
flag dave6797 (Mar 29, 2012 at 6:54) (Below Threshold)
 i really want to like the idea but i cant ever imagine them being better (shifting through gears by mistake) it just seems like a step back to bikes like this ....

  • 7 1
 I like the idea, would love to try before I buy... I can see them selling like hot cakes!
  • 9 2
 Did you read the article dave6797? Because it clearly states that it's a quality component for serious bikers. Like Danny Hart at the World's for example..
  • 17 4
 Pimpedaline: Bump shift huh? Never happened to me once, whether riding on a hard tail xc bike, or down the nastiest of trails on my dh bike. Only reason I ever switched off grip shift is to have more flexibility/room to get my brakes in a better position (grip shift interfered with my Strokers, I couldn't get the brakes outboard enough to reach properly).

Dave: The article makes reference to two groups of people, those old enough to have used grip shift to know better, and those too young to have ever used. You obviously fall into the latter, and it's a shame that you don't know what you're missing. Even if you did try them and didn't like them, at least you'd know better than to try to associate them with some POS department store bike.
  • 8 6
 i remember my old shimano revoshift. That was crap for sure, but i kind a liked that. it's like turning bolt nut with cable atached to it. Like a modern art to find right tension for every gear. I know this product is much better - acurate, fast, reliable. But personaly just don't fancy grip shift, becouse lock on grips looks cleaner. And these Sram... well, it's like spandex
  • 3 14
flag ocrebel (Mar 29, 2012 at 7:50) (Below Threshold)
 Danny Hart uses these things?
  • 14 6
 Everyone here seems to have a hard-on about shiftin by mistake .... it doesn't happen
  • 6 28
flag Rolas (Mar 29, 2012 at 8:11) (Below Threshold)
 And by the way, what to do if you run single ring in the front? leave unused grip shifter without a cable?
  • 14 2
 I have had more mishifts from my thumb hitting triggers then twist shifting. also in DH racing it's easier to jump through wide ranges of gears
  • 42 1
 While mistaken shifts do happen, some people do like to complain about it and its been a complaint mentioned in EVERY magazine review of twist-shifters for the past two decades. Do they happen 100% of the time? No. At least once every ride? Unlikely. Probably the same frequency as crashing and having your clipless pedals NOT release as you and bike get pinned together, usually having fallen sideways in some ridiculous slow speed tipping. Moment that happens to someone with a particular type of pedal mechanism (say speedplays or bebops which don't have a spring mechanism in the pedals) and its all you'll hear them complain about when that pedal system is ever reviewed again someplace. Then there are are the types of folks who have it happen, realize it was a fluke, and move on with their life with an open mind. Fortunetly as proven by the financial success of SRAM (which didn't produce anything BUT gripshifters until the mid-90s), the majority of riders/buyers fall into the second category.

But this is the internet, and requires almost no effort for the people from the first category to post their negative views, so we'll keep on seeing these comments about miss shifting. Or 29ers being the antichrist. Or whatever the next thing they think that venting about will make them popular as other same mentality people give them positive props. In the old days when all magazines were in print, and people had to physically write and mail letters to complain about something, you saw a lot less people doing it. I'm just waiting for someone like Danny Hart to win a world cup DH on a 5.5" travel 29er using grip shift and riding clipless pedals for their skies to fall in.
  • 39 13
 29ers ARE the antichrist.
  • 3 9
flag Downhillrider441 (Mar 29, 2012 at 9:12) (Below Threshold)
 if the shifter is completely sepret from the grip you hold, and the grip you hold can be a normal grip then i would defos buy one
  • 5 0
 @stever: Yes it happens to me every time I ride a bike with Grip Shift. I don't really blame the shifters, its just the way I ride that causes it.

@Rolas: Revoshift is worse than the low end gripshift, Revos are some of the worst feeling shifters out there, bar none.

@feds: yes there are unintentional shifts with any shifter, so you can't say it doesn't happen. For me it happens a lot more with Gripshift. I am not saying that the high end Gripshifters are garbage and never would, they are great pieces of equipment that just doesn't work for me. While I was still working in the bike shops I would get asked often what was better. My answer was always what ever feels right to the person using them. For me it is Sram triggers, but now that shimano can be shifted with all thumbs, they are a strong contender on my books.

Once again, either you love them or you hate them, but these new X series shifters are not junk.
  • 3 1
 Only the short section inboard of the line actually moves, the outer grip is solid. On twisters the shifter barrel grip piece is anywhere from 1 to 2 inches wide, depending on brand and model, and the shifter mechanism body usually occupies another inch of space on the bar. Then you have the grip which is usually four inches. Basically one adult large male hand width and nothing else. Most uncut grips and lock-on grips are a bit over 5 inches in width (for a comparison). So as long as you're not the type who constantly slides his hand around a grip using all five inches or more, you shouldn't have a problem with twist shifters.
  • 4 2
 deeeight I agree and sign with both hands under your words, I'd like to see less "wiseguys" in the web, who think they know everything and I'd like to find out soon that some pro DH'er on 29" wheels with 5-6" of travel and gripshifts won the WC. It's way to easy nowadays for people to juggle their opinions through public. I work in the industry and I see how much people trust in others shitty opinions about bike gear. In my work I can't tell people that one thing is a piece of crap, I just show and tell about advantages and pros of the better product. I had gripshifts years back in two of my bikes, in the 90's and I won't say that is was no good compared to triggers. Every product and novelty has it's own buyer and consumer. Gripshifts were already good especially for their simplicity but SRAM took that to another level and I suppose it may be good for many users. This particular 2013 product seem to be refined and well engineered and maybe some world class racers will use that for a change because it may be simply more reliable than trigger systems. Whatever, I'd ride those in my bike because it looks super clean and pro on handlebars. Missshift? More precision in your hands people, it's a highly advanced machine (your bike) not a shovel! People always fuss about new things but if we look a bit into history we can see that all those "no good" innovations are still on the market and their manufacturers are very well paid for their products. We can't actually make a new kind of bike, we're only improving it from time to time. I'd say that this is a good thing to come out - it is good to have a choice!
  • 2 1
 grip shift is real; my hands stay on the bars ,with the thumb shift my hand would slip off,and grip shift you can shift faster in case you need too,with the thumb shift its not that fast,but its not for all of us ,but i would say try it out its a good product.
  • 4 3
 @doug13 - Hahaha, hilarious. And they look shit. Imagine a 29er with Gripshift? Disgusting.
  • 4 2
 What would happening when the grip runs out? Are they compatible with other grips or would I need to be buying a new SRAM grip or even a whole new shifter?
  • 1 0
 When the grip runs out, you buy something else. ODI, Raceface, and a dozen other grip makers offer alternatives for the existing gripshifters already on the market, and that's to the interchangeable end-cap seal on the new 10 speed ones from SRAM, they're already compatible with all of the ones already on the market. So no, you'd never be stuck with only what SRAM offers for grips.
  • 2 5
 Those are the Doom days of mountain biking!
DH 29er using grip shift and riding clipless pedals!
What I did!!!
  • 2 4
 Bury - You want less wiseguys, so I assume you want more stupid-guys on the net? oh sorry I'm black&white again - you want not-so-smart-guys hehe. To make a bicycle component you need manufacturing capacity and 99,999999% of technologies and materials used in bicycle manufacturing come from other industries and are known for tens of years. Then you need time volume and budget - the product itself is rarely too complicated for an average mind to grasp no matter whether it is a dropper post or spoke nipple. Off course only if that mind takes some time to try to analyze it, instead of read the marketing brouchure and treat is a knowledge then interpret and parrot on forums

Grip shifts are a very good example of a diverse product, a different way to approach innovation. 100% thumbs up for it. This is (re)creating another branch of innovation tree instead of going on one deeper and deeper into shit. What we get 99% of the time form the industry is trolling for 10 years to shave off 10g off a shifter and make it shift 0.1s faster. Or finding intermediate solutions 15mm axles, 650B wheels - that is a bullcrap not taking us anywhere. A new era is coming and as weird as it sounds the concept of - progress in form of getting faster, lighter cheaper is just good - is getting out dated. We will need to save money for other things than bikes, so there will be no place for XX XTRs 15, every company offering 20 frames every 5mm of travel - because no producer will be able to afford it. Variety attracts consumer to your brand but drives up the costs.

You think Chinese people will work for those wages forever? They will just continue to bare bad working conditions and pollution of their own air soil and water? What do you think happened in South America? - their wages raised in 70s, political situation got complicated, oil prices went up and production moved out to China. But there is nothing beyond China and this will happen there as well
  • 3 6
 What a stupid waste of time. You cant make a pig a greyhound, no matter how many years and fancy bits go into it. Please die gripshift, and your dickie interlocking grips.
  • 1 0
 There are replaceable grips when this ones are over.
  • 1 0
 I think I still like the old lever shifters. But thanks to all that answered my question
  • 1 0
 second comment from the top= chaaaggggg
  • 45 2
 I'd like to give a shoutout to all the princesses that are crying because SRAM is putting product out on the market. If you don't like it, don't buy it or even look at it.
  • 6 0
 I'd really like to know what happened to "don't knock it until you try it" logic. If people went by that, I bet 90% of the negative posts would never have seen the day.

I knew this would happen the second it got posted but still, it baffles me that people have such boring lifes that they spend so much time hating on a product they never tried. Go out and ride...

Personally, I'll remain neutral until the more affordable x7/x9 versions appear. I'd love to give it a shot but I'm not willing to spend 300$ on shifters for now.
  • 2 0
 Its the good old "the internet said so" syndrome. Got to any bike shop, electronics store, or computer store and ask the people there what they think of the internet opinions. I would be willing to bet that most of them with just roll their eyes and walk away, and the rest would tell you how the internet has made a million experts with none of them ever having hands on experience with what they are suddenly experts on.

I can't could the number of times that I had to deal with people that insisted they were fixing something right because they read it on the internet, or that a product I knew was good was a piece of crap because someone had a bad experience with it on the internet.

How many people instantly declared the 888 junk because of this:

Andreau- bent 888's
Hopkins- snapped 888's
Doerfling- snapped 888's

How many hit larger than what most people here will ever do, did these forks take? These guys stress their equipment to the limits every time they ride a comp and things are bound to fail. I admit I ma a bit of a hack and 50% of what I land it not buttery smooth, or I case it. guess what, my 888s are working fine and show no signs of failure, same thing with my Argyle, the steerer is still straight. despite what all the naysayers have said about those products being bad.

OK I am going to end my rant now:o
  • 29 2
 Thank you Sram.
Reading all the negative comments makes it so obvious that ninety percent of them are coming from people who have never really tried them.
When Gripshift first came out, we all thought the same things, they'd compromise your grip, you'd be mis-shifting all the time, especially on jumps and hard climbs, etc.
It just didn't happen. It's hard to explain why but it just doesn't.
Why do you think Gripshift took over the world back then? (That IS how Sram became Sram) We had Shimano triggers that worked well but we switched to Gripshift because it worked better. Simple.
Twisties allow you to transition from a downhill to a climb like nothing else. If I get surprised by a climb I can drop my entire cassette with one quick motion. Try that with your paddles.

If you want to stick with paddles, God bless you, knock yourselves out. Just don't put down a product you really know nothing about.
  • 9 3
 I have the same feelings towards the 29er craze. 90% of the people that trash talk it have never ridden a newer 29er since the geometry has been made more efficient and the overall weight has gone down. They're A LOT of fun to ride.
  • 3 20
flag ocrebel (Mar 29, 2012 at 7:54) (Below Threshold)
 You can drop a whole cassette with trigger shifters.
  • 3 6
 ....same with grip shifters...
  • 2 10
flag joalst (Mar 29, 2012 at 8:36) (Below Threshold)
 Isn't that the point of the derailleur
  • 12 3
 You cannot drop a whole cassette with trigger shifters in ONE motion or with the speed that you can with twist shifters (or thumb shifters either for that matter).
  • 1 6
flag EnduroRider63 (Mar 29, 2012 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 Ya you can drop the cassette with trigger shifters but you can do it NEARLY as quick as twisties.
  • 6 1
 I stay true to what I grew up with: triggers. I dislike the twist I have to make with my wrists in order to shift because it forces me to replace my hands constantly. Not dissing Gripshift... That's just my experience with them.
  • 1 1
 sorry may of not in your case but in my case i hated them misshifting all the time hard cornering jumping completely off i can see these selling a couple and crashing, and they will only sell to rich idiots riding XC because they wan't all the toys but no idea, I mean come on $300 for a shifter??? really.......
  • 2 0
 andy, did you not read the article? they clearly said that they had absolutely no issues with mis-shifting, none, zero. and if they are only marketable to rich XC idiots, then why is Danny Hart running them on his rig? they present some serious advantages. nobody is gonna force you to switch to twisters, but they do work.

also, joalst, I completely agree with what you said. I am proud to say I own a 29er hardtail. it's the best bike I've ever owned hands down.
  • 2 3
 What the anti-29er zealots won't ever get (or accept), is that even though the bikes have less wheel travel than is available for a given frame size/standover of 26er, they don't need that wheel travel to handle stuff anymore. A 29er hardtail handles trails like a 26er XC dually. A 29er XC dually handles like a 26er all-mtn, a 29er all-mtn handles like a 26er freeride... and well.. you can see where this is going....
  • 1 0
 I have an 80mm fox float and no rear travel (obviously) but even on log piles and rocks and other large obstacles i have no trouble. i'm not an expert biker by any stretch, but even i can ride with the fork locked out over rough terrain. long travel is just not necessary with a 29er! people also complain about how heavy 29ers are, but is a 29er hardtail any heavier than a 26er FS? not a chance!
  • 1 0
 My girlfriend is pretty brave when it comes to bombing down tight singletrack, but even on level ground she has mental block / fear issues with logs / fallen trees and wood bridges or even large tree roots (rocks she's fine with). But on her Niner Air9, even with a rigid fork on it, she has sailed over things she runs into problems with on her 26er hardtail. Before the weekend I'm putting a Fox F29RLC onto her niner so she can see how it behaves over things with front suspension added to the mix. I think she's going to really enjoy herself.

Back to the original topic though, I think if more riders spent time on good twist-shifters, they'd whine about them an awful less. Myself I simply wish they'd done an X.9 level version of these shifters at the same time as the X.0 and XX ones. Just to shut up the people whining about the price hike.
  • 2 5
 ewwwwww!!!! it reminds me of the days when I rode a 20$ Walmart bike .

and it's so much easier just to push a little leaver thing to switch gears then try and twist the other half of ur grip!?

hate em
  • 1 1
 $50 says you've never tried a good grip shift...
  • 1 1
 Errr, where does it say Danny Hart is running them? Im sure these are for xc only.....
  • 1 0
 ya when I had a department store bike, ya that's department store stuff but I don't like twist shift
  • 1 0
 because department store bikes have good grip shifts of them...
  • 1 0
 on them*
  • 22 1
 $295 What the what???????
  • 31 1
 I'll give you that one.
That's just stupid money.
For $295 they should include a fairy to fly next to me and shift for me
  • 3 1
 Yeah, Twist shifters in general have some good applications, but this kind of pricing is going to put a lot of people (including me) off, I will wait a couple years for the X7 version.
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 "Yeah, Twist shifters in general have some good applications, but this kind of pricing is going to put a lot of people (including me) off, I will wait a couple years for the X7 version."

...or buy perfectly good 2 year old XOs at .20/dollar from guys that HAVE to upgrade every year.
  • 2 1
 Genius. That is the way to go. There will probably be sets with like 25 miles of railway paths on them going for no money.
  • 4 5
 Have you looked at the price tag of XX anything? Did you FAIL to read and comprehend where they stated that the design will trickle down to the X5 and X7 price levels ?! The MSRP of the XX trigger shifter was actually higher when it was first introduced. Stop thinking DEORE prices are the limit of what people can afford.
  • 4 1
 I was actually thinking about the price tag on the previous top of the line grip shift which was the X.0, that was less than $150 for the pair. Double the cost for something which does the same job (admittedly in a completely different way) is pretty hard to swallow. But go ahead and jump to conclusions.
  • 1 4
 Well then why mention the price of the NOT X.0 level 10 speed gripshifter ? Is it because a completely new designed X.0 shifter that's only 50% higher in price than the 9 speed version not a big enough jump to whine about ?
  • 9 1
 I have used Grip-Shift on all my bikes for a long time for downhill including on my Canfield, Yeti, Rocky Mountain and Balfa. I have also never personally experienced anything like a "mis-shift" or an accidental "bump" of any kind. The only person that I have ever known to accidentally shift while riding a Grip-Shift is also the same guy who holds the handlebars in a death-grip, holding his breath and fighting to keep his eyes open while riding off the two-foot drop at Shadow Cliffs. I think he may have bit his tongue as well.

Everyone just relax. It's a shifter. It works well and this new design will come down in price just like everything else. Let's go ride bikes!!
  • 3 1
 ...now I'm just trying to figure oot why we need 10-speed...
  • 5 2
  • 4 0
 Having grown up on grip shifters, this is a bittersweet topic for me. It's awesome to see the improvements being made on the system, and one of my mountain biking heroes rides grip shifters. I also logged some 300+ miles on a walmart bike with grip shifters when I cycling with my scout troop in So-Cal.

That said, I've realized that I'm somewhat older than the average pinkbiker. >.
  • 4 1
 I do like these shifters they wont be any nonsense about accidently hitting the trigger and going through gears by mistake but why not just push youre trigger shifter back down the bars away from wear youre hand rests ? thats what ive done and ive never mis shifted in 10 years !!!! i would consider them but the price is way to excessive
  • 3 0
 I dunno, Ive crashed with my standard x9 on the matchmakers and it near darn broke my thumb before it ripped the mount in half. And Ive also mis shifted with trigger shifters in rough sections of track via knuckles tapping the levers as well. I think this would open up more space in the cockpit for our hands which would be nice. I'll snag one and give it a go for a few weeks. Smile
  • 1 1
 +1 scraped knuckles and holey gloves, crash and you got a single speed.. did like my XTs thou
  • 3 0
 I rode a X0 gripshift on my dh bike last year and hated it for that application. i felt like i couldn't shift, and cover the brakes at the same time, and on tight twisty trails i found it to be a big pain in the ass. for trail riding i didn't mind it
  • 2 3
 that can happen with girly hands. thats the first ive heard someone complain about that "problem"
  • 3 0
 i wear a size 11 glove mate
  • 3 0
 Taking the change jar down to Safeway for a cash-in. Easily $500 in there. Now I know what I'm spending it on. Gotta give it a try before knocking it, right? I remember laughing at my buddy's Gravity Dropper several years ago. Who's laughing now?
  • 3 0
 This is hilarious, opinions are like chalk and cheese, or DH and XC. There is more contention here than the 29er debate! I won't buy gripshift, but I won't buy lycra shorts or an aerodynamic helmet either. What can you deduce about MTBers? We are a passionate opinionated bunch! Keep the debate going, it is cracking me up! Smile
  • 7 3
 I love how all the people approaching this with an open mind or in favour of gripshifters are getting negative props.... bunch of immature children on here or what ?
  • 1 0
 I must admit that when I first saw this review my first thoughts were something along the lines of "oh god, they've reincarnated something that was rightfully dead". My memories of the first grip shifters were less than positive. The plastic indexing barrels on older grip shifters would often wear down quite rapidly, leading to imprecise indexing that could not be adjusted to work properly. This left a decidedly sour taste in my mouth, as I was paid to make these things work (as a bike mechanic). Perhaps some of these negative props are derived from people who developed a dislike for sloppy shifting older units. Fortunately, they've included a metal indexing barrel this time round, time will tell if this batch actually wears gracefully. Personally though, I've always preferred the shifting action of triggers, or even the much maligned shimano dual control levers. To each their own.
  • 2 0
 The new gear looks awesome and I'm pumped on it! But, can we at least have fun with our current 2012 gear for a while before getting antsy about 2013? We're only the better part of 4 months in so far to this year after all. I understand the whole designing and testing phase and marketing thing, I really do. But come on guys, now I gotta be at the edge of my seat for the next 8 months, throw me a bone here!
  • 2 0
 Purely preference in the case of shifters everyone needs to just stop hating. I ride XO triggers and the XO 9 spd twistys and have had no problems with either. From mecanics stand point i only hate running cables on twistys cause i feel like im breaking them when i pop them apart lol. Love both either way and as far as pump shifting learn how to hold ur bars if u have twistys is all i can say. I.ve never had a problem with that from xc riding to taking big drops and gap jumps. Just got to know how to hold on boys .
  • 3 0
 fair enough they work well according to this review however given the choice i would always choose trigger shift over grip shift..
  • 2 0
 Seems cool for an XC rider... I'm not to sure that I wold like my wrist to be twisting crazy style while holding onto the bike. I grew up riding dirt bikes so This is a toss up on this product. Great design tho Sram.
  • 2 1
 I have 9-speed SRAM rocket gripshifts on my XC race bike mated to shimano XT derailleurs. the best setup i've ever had. i'd like to install gripshifts on all my bikes but couldn't find them since sram discontinued making them. now that they're back but without an option for 9-speed, i'll just stick to what i have, unfortunately.
  • 3 1
 The Sram compatible 9 speed shifters are still available all the way up to XO, It is just the shimano compatible ones that they don't do any more.
  • 3 1
 Ebay... I just ordered a set of brand new ones from an ebay dealer for a friend who I'm custom building his new Karate Monkey for. I gave him an option of paddles, twisting or thumbies and he went twister again. He's used nothing but twist shifting for the past seven or eight years on his own bikes. He won't refuse to ever ride paddle/trigger or thumbie equipped bikes if the situation requires it though.
  • 1 0
 I had the original Gripshifters on my first Schwinn mountain bike that I bought. They were actually nice. A little plasticky but nice. I liked that if you found an "oh shit" climb or descent then it was still game on.
I use XTR 970 on both my bikes now because of multi shifting capability but if I ever go 10 speed I would consider these. Maybe not at that price but find them barely used. Rich guys are always dumping gear.
But for the naysayers, they're actually not that bad. I would definitely say moto riders would be perfectly mated for these but they also looked like they really thought these out. I bet they're buttery smooth and have few issues. Closed minded people are closed minded people.
I have a 29er and like my 26 more. I've had Gripshift and admit I liked that idea more but the XTR multi shift is where I'm at these days. I guess everyone else is a person who shifts perfectly every time. Must have listened to Ned back in the day. SISO!
  • 2 0
 Most pinkbike complainers have no clue who Ned is.
  • 1 0
 Or what cross country really is. Sadly shuttles are more common. That's an argument for elsewhere. The Gripshift has it's place. If people don't want it, don't get it. This was actually a good article because it showed the new technology in the parts. I'm actually surprised at the amount of R&D they did on these. I say kudos to them.
  • 1 0
 It's an unfortunate truth, isn't it?
  • 2 1
 they should have at least made a 9 spd version. dont know too many people running ten speeds on a dh bike. now they marketing the grip shift to trail bike riders. i real happy with triggers and 9 speed. gave up on 10 speed about 15 years ago with my old road bike.
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flag fraserbritton (Mar 29, 2012 at 9:14) (Below Threshold)
 9 speed is not even in production anymore at sram.
  • 2 0
 There is still an excessive quantity of new 9 speed SRAM components available from their distributors for dealers to order, if they actually bothered to look at the catalogs...
  • 1 3
 Obviously left over stock remains, but why would they want to produce products in an end of life product range?
  • 1 0
 Good point. After a glance at their site, I'm actually kind of surprised to find that you appear to be right.. It's a good thing, though. They're upping the ante and it'll push quality and technologies further ahead.
  • 1 0
 They build all their products to order, no one in Taiwan holds any stock. If you can still buy it from them, they are still making it. At least into 2013 there will still be at least all the lower end products available in 9 and even in some cases, (X5) 8 speed.
  • 1 0
 SRAM HQ as well as the distributors hold quite a bit of stock, actually. There is no high end products being made in 9 speed. Zero. We're talking about an XX/XO product, so clearly, X5 isn't really part of the conversation.
  • 1 0
 Yes, but there's no need to produce more high end 9 speed stuff. There's enough overstock out there currently to support the replacement parts market for die hards who won't upgrade to the next generation of components for the next ten years. Shimano hasn't made any high end 8 speed stuff in over a decade yet I can still find brand new XT and XTR components from that period just fine. Most mountain bikers (PB users especially) don't go for the retro-restoration thing, or get the significance of vintage bikes, so its such a non-issue that its not worth complaining about.

As to the build to order... yes, they produce tens of millions of units of each part, largely to support OEM sales but as anyone who shops on ebay knows, bike manufacturers often over-order to hit a better price discount, and then dump the stuff they don't need onto the gray market. Then there's all the distributors who release older inventory they no longer need to handle warranties out for general consumer sales. There's an ebay dealer here in canada that's has listings for THOUSANDS of replacement parts for shimano and rockshox products.
  • 1 0
 Agreed. 9 speed version makes more sense. You could dump gears faster. So far I'm not real happy with my 10 speed set up. Shifts so much worse/slower under load than my old 9 and 8 speed bikes.
  • 2 1
 Grip shift was allways great, the pro's in xc and 4 cross used front g shift racing, it shifted between gears the fastest, trigger on the rear because of the indexing with the derailler actuation. I switched to trigger because grip shift, and at one point sachs had a version stopped making them, every weight weenie wanted XTR and they wanted everyone to look at there bike so they could say " look at my XTR this and that man" hey XTR was usally really good but grip shifters were awsome to bad they stoped makin em till now, the pro's know there shi....... just ask Lopes he used em and dident whine like the rest of cycling's super pussies, they should switch to playing T ball. or ping pong
  • 1 0
 the comments on here are hilarious (see stupid.) so you dont like gripshift. some people hate trigger shifters. get over it. every negative comment is from someone who has never rode gripshift but yet bashes it because its the cool thing to say on PB.
ooo look at me! my bike is cooler then yours because you have gripshift!
  • 1 0
 Had Gripshift - useful for town - definitely dangerous for trailriding, freeride or dh - it is plain crap. 4 skimpy plastic prongs hold the grip on the handlebar. Twin ring grips are much safer. The new unit looks badly sealed. Ball bearings w i l l freeze.Its not even a properly designed bearing unit. Aluminum ratchet - this is bad. For decent service life this needs to be at least a hardened stamped steel piece. Really heavy. In my opinion - not worth the hassle - this is a very unhappy design - opposite to what the marketingblurbing and manufacturerpetting of Steve Levy wants you to makebelieve.
  • 1 0
 I love twist shifters and still use an X7 on my playbike. The problems with these new ones for me are 1. Too long and it looks like you can't cut them down. It is a pain in the neck with current X7s but it was easy with the older Sachs ones that SRAM bought. I want a 2-3cm twisting section, not 6 or 7. I only use one finger and thumb for downshifts,and just nudge the edge of the barrel with my hand web and thumb for upshifts. That size of grip is an ugly waste of space in my opinion. 2. Far too expensive. The price should be a lot lower than triggers. I tried SRAM triggers and didn't like them because you can only use your thumb so still have to partially let go of the bar to shift. I think Shimano's 2-way release is better, and that might be what I go for now they've got their mechs sorted out. New Saint will be a good system I think.
  • 1 0
 I have a hard time believing that some of the worlds top riders decided to try switch from their existing reliable trigger shifters to new unknown grip shifters for the world champs, for the first time. It's not the sort of thing which would give you an advantage in a race; and is just the sort of added complication you would avoid for such an event.

Sounds a bit of a tall story.

Also, someone mentioned Danny Heart running them on his world champs bike. They look very much like trigger shifters to me:
  • 1 0
 That is very much a trigger shifter. It also might be before the WC race too.
  • 1 0
 Sram needs to come out with some form of a ratcheting grip shifter with really heavy indexing, then there would be no excessive twisting followed by a change in hand position on the bar. We could all keep our hands solid on the bars then, don't ask me how they'd work, but it'd sure be a cool shifter
  • 1 0
 Always loved my Grip Shift. still have them in my tool box in the garage just in case... BUT HOLY SHIT SRAM! $300 FOR A SET OF TWIST SHIFTERS??? This is ridiculous. I loved them because they were relatively cheap to replace. I guess I will admire them from afar and remember the days of simple and reliable and affordable grip shift. NO THANKS!
  • 1 0
 I can't think of one single good reason anyone would want to use gripshift over the trigger style. You can't keep a finger on the brakes while shifting. The only plus would be dumping multiple gears, but so far all the 10speeds I have used don't shift fast under any sort of load.
  • 1 0
 I'm stoked to see Grip-shift coming back. With the advent of lock-ons, a greatly improved "indexing" surface, and an easier cable change, this looks to have solved every problem I ever had with the originals. Yes, I am of the "old enough to remember the original" group. In fact my fiance' still has my old GS on her hand-me -down HT I gave her (it was my original "FR" bike WAY back in the mid 90's Wink ) and she LOVES them except for the fact that the indexing is getting vague again and the grips she has on there always slip around. GS is a GREAT product and I'm sorry to see so many obviously younger riders with no experience on the stuff bagging on it. Oh well, all it will take is for one "HERO" rider to come out and endorse it and we will suddenly be awash in a bunch of band-wagoners who will deny ever "NOT LIKING the stuff"
  • 1 0
 for years l have been "twist" for the front shifter and "index'd" for the rear shifter ---

right now, my one current mtb that l use is a mix of brand because l simply don't care -- they all work fine when tuned correctly *** which of course they are.

Sram X.0 twist shifty on the left
Saint 9spd indiex shifty on the right
XT front D
Saint medium cage rear D
Origin8 29 tooth granny
E-13 38 middle
SRAM 9spd 11/32 cassette
SRAM 9psd chain

**** l also flip flop the brakes front on the right, rear on the left

main reason for the twisty front shifter is due to the fact l only have half a thumb and it's difficult to use an index'd shifter with my nubby digit --- however, even if l had a full digit, l think l'd still do the set up this way because l like the micro shifting of a twist shifter for the front D. there's pretty much never a time you'll see the front D rub on the chain because it's outside its range of shifting options.

it's been a long time since l have been a mudder but back in the day --- there have been times when we got so muddy during our rides, or just soaked by rain that we couldn't get a tight enough grip on a twisty "grip shift" and we unable to shift. sometimes, l recall the rubber part of the shifter would actually slip off the shifting pod and spin freely.. once that happened, that was pretty much it for the shifter -- you'd have to buy a whole new rubber piece or sometimes even a new shifter. l think they have improved the design since then.

personally, l'm fine with either system, l just prefer index'd for the rear shifter only because you're a lot less likely to accidentally shift when slamming through nasty rock gardens or landing funky and accidentally shifting then.
  • 1 0
 the process you describe for changing a cable has been that way for years on the their gripshifts, except there was a small plastic plug instead of a big cover. only the very cheap models require looping around the barrel to swap a cable out.
  • 1 0
 Screw sram for making these things so expensive, the old ones didn't have any problems and would last forever, and changing the cable on the old ones was a lot easier then this peace! They should have done exactly what he said they didn't want to do, add a 10th index to the current line, and then actually promoted it. these new ones won't work any better than the old XO's. Also i f you guys have ever used grip shift you would see why they are there, I use them from my XC bike to my Park bike, never miss shift and they are so damn effortless. I bet all of you bump your fingers into your triggers everyday.
  • 1 0
 i've been trying to convince my wife to try driving our automatic transmission car. she's so used to manual transmission (stick-shift) ever since she learned how to drive that she can't just unlearn what she's used to. generally, women's brains are not mechanically inclined like men and takes a while for them to learn new things if it involves machines even if it will make their lives so much easier

my point, REAL MEN USE GRIPSHIFT... for others, there are triggers LOL
  • 1 0
 I need help here. I have a 2004 bike with 3x9. I have SRAM grip shift and a Shimano front derailleur. Love it and it works great. Got a steel 29er recently and want to put 2x10 with grip shift on it. The SRAM front derailleur would just not clamp right on the frame with the required shim. A Shimano front derailleur fits fine but will a 2012 XX or XO grip shift work with the XT front derailleur? I thought I saw a blog saying they weren't compatible any more. I know there are better mechanics out there than I...
  • 1 0
 Re: "We expect different Grip Shift compatible lock-on grips to be available from aftermarket companies in the future, or riders could simple cut down their favorite Lock-Ons to the appropriate length. Using grip length to tune the shifters postion will be vital to attain the best ergonomics for rider's hands."

I was able to purchase SRAM integrated locking grips for my 2012 X.o 3x10 set that are 85 mm long.
Part No. 00.7918.013.007 (Black Clamps)
Got mine off ebay.

These are the perfect length for me, and I can one finger brake no problem.
They are identical to the stock interlocking grips - just shorter.
  • 2 0
 I ain't got no thumb man, bring that ish on Hahaha (true story). No more having to bolt quick releases on my front shift lever anymore. Smile
  • 1 1
 I definitely won't talk down about this, but I am hesitant to say I'd want to give it a shot on a DH bike. I imagine you have to release quite a bit of your grip to change gear, to me it would make sense that it would throw off your control of the bars. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't seem like a sensible idea.
  • 1 0
 does using your thumb not also release quite a bit of your grip? dependig on how you fit it and how you hold it- may mean you only need to let your hand twist and not release ANY grip?
  • 3 1
 YESSSSSS ! I've had grip shift on the last 5 DH bikes! Including my current Jedi ! I love it, moto all day, cheapest X0 part imaginable....Love it for racing !
  • 5 2
 only problem is when i pretend to be on a motorbike i might change gears Frown
  • 5 2
 Clearly some people prefer apples while others prefer oranges. These look like well made oranges but I still like apples.
  • 1 0
 i race alot off ruff downhill that has me really white nuckled at times, im wondering if i could run these,Id love to see set shop demos some.thats alot of cash for a guy like me.
  • 2 2
 Ok so they fixed them braking internally by making it metal, but you now have to use specific grips, the shifter still has the problem of being shifted accidentally more often than a trigger, and it will wear out just like a grip.. I'm not hating I just don't see how it adds up to be better or even equal to the trigger shifter. Almost seems like they are trying to bring back old technology "redesigned" in a effort to stay fresh. IMO they should take that money and R&D time and put it towards something more constructive.
  • 4 4
 yeeeesh. Words from a hater... but seriously. grip shift should have stayed dead. this comment is not open for mind changing. Im a narrow minded ass who hates grip shift. Please kill this design and allow it to rot in hell where all grip shifts belong. The XO and XX group will forever be scarred in my mind. Sorry SRAM, Love your other product. This just hurts to see.
  • 1 0
 not to nit-pick but the illustration is not an exploded view (www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/catalogs/1977-drawings/images/22-track-bike.jpg), it is a phantom or ghosted view.
  • 2 0
 XX and XO are quality brands, im hoping Sram dosnt fuck them up otherwise people will go to shimano instead.
  • 2 0
 still got my original 8 speed twist shifter on the shelf and still working, shame i aint got anthing else that is 8 spd.
  • 1 2
 LOL, IMO 10 `speed is just marketing hype, nice wide ratio block and a tuff chain i say!
just like hi tech consumer goods, upgrade for what exactly....?
  • 1 0
 ? i got 1 10 spd with 2 on the front then another bike that has 3 on the front and 9 on the rear. guess which i prefer for climbing plus its the heaviest buy a good couple of pounds so in this case the change to 10spd for me was a good up grade.

plus with 10 spd you can have an even wider ratio block.
  • 1 1
 wider than 36-11?
  • 1 0
 well as the widest 8 spds, with a few exceptions, were generally 32 or 34 -11 with big gaps between the ratios then a close ratio 36-11 10 spd is a wider ratio block. if old skool works for you then good on you but dont ridicule people you dont know for having different opinions.
  • 1 0
 Changing up whilst braking is what I would imagine the main disadvantage to be if going from a fast section into some tight switchbacks?
  • 1 0
 true if you read the trail wrong, but its surprising how quidk you get once you get used to them, 0.n of a second make much difference?
  • 4 0
 No thanks
  • 1 0
 I won't make up any excuse why I would not buy grip shift. I don't like grip shift, because I find them ugly. the same reason I would never put a flat bar on any of my bikes.
  • 1 1
 Problem I have with them is mud and dust getting into then shifter and making it hard to turn and change gear. I do think it is a great idea and makes your bike look a lot clearner without have different thinks hanging off
  • 1 0
 the only problem i ever had with them is riding in wet and muddy conditions . you go down , mud on grips and hand , harder to shift .
  • 3 0
 I came here just to watch the arguments... Big Grin
  • 1 1
 Waste of r&d, m'ing. Beefed up 5 Speed automatic gearbox hub for dh. You are selling autohubs already. What the f...is all the wait'g for? Then nomore shitshift dissing. Stuff is redundant!
  • 1 0
 Singlespeed FTW!!! But really, I have used gripshifts and don't like them, and I don't like that all Sram trigger shifters are thumb only. I like using my index finger.
  • 10 9
 so instead of a gearbox, we get 1995 technology and those damn clutch derailleurs. SRAM, THIS ISN'T BACK TO THE FUTURE.
  • 2 1
 Erm. Some of Avids brakes have an inboard lever reach knob. Small oversight on their part i think.
  • 1 1
 They mentioned this in the review of the new 2 caliper XO trail brakes.
- Basically it sounds like the inboard knob (tool-free) would be sacrificed for the old allen-key (tool req.) style reach adjust in this situation - as can be seen in the photos in this article.

Not a huge deal, but a bit of a hiccup. Can't always make the new match 100% with all existing!
  • 1 0
 true, but once you set your reach voila, my fingers stopped growing a while back..
  • 3 2
 so stoked!!!!! I drop the coin for these, even if I had to pay full retail! Stoopid kids on here don't know isht...
  • 4 1
  • 1 0
 i still got a few brand new sets
  • 1 0
 ok I need to try them broken thumb no triggers for a while no choice hope I likem
  • 2 2
 Very cool thinking and good idea personal opinion I twist my grips a lot so this is just not for me
  • 3 2
 F*ck you SRAM. We are in MARCH!
  • 2 2
 Quite a lot of money to step back in time!! Fair play if u like 'em, but not for me.
  • 1 0
 Shimano always and forever!
  • 2 0
 not that great
  • 1 0
 Why the grip shift trend?
  • 1 0
 trigger shifters all way not grip shit shifter
  • 1 0
 i feel like the grip shifts are better for xc
  • 1 0
 I think it makes for a cleaner looking cockpit. Waiting for x7
  • 1 0
 Can't wait till some one i know gets some so i can try them out!
  • 1 0
 Wank-a-roonee, y'all are;-)
  • 1 0
 sram is shit.
  • 26 27
 sram dont bring back shitshift you cant beat a good trigger shifter
  • 27 5
 You can give people the option...
  • 4 0
 It'll be interesting to see if these actually make a comeback. Maybe shifting accidentally wouldn't happen so often. Usually I have my index on the brake lever anyway so thats less hand on the grip than some might have. Also, rapid shifting is cool. I don't know. I'm not going to buy them but I'll try them out if someone has a pair and lets me test ride it for a minute. I'm definitely curious! And yeah, at least the option is there. I'm a downhiller, but if I were to race XC, I could see how shifting high to low very quickly could save you a few seconds. Could make the difference.
  • 8 0
 This quick shifting histery going on since some time, especially around SRAM's 1:1 ratio being superior over shimano is a bit off the reality. What takes most time during the shifting isn't how fast you can move the derailleur by the shifter. It is the chain travelling through the cogs that takes time, and even when you would have a Di2020 hyper dyper servo that can move the derailleur through 4 cogs in a nano-second, it will still take the same time for the chain to take this place as it would do with a few year old trigger shifter.

But it's good to see a product like that coming out, instead of getting every year a 2g lighter versions of stuff we already have. Keep it up SRAM with that - such variety is more than welcome!
  • 3 0
 changing X gears requires Y rotations of the crank, take note or kill your hollowpin supalight tinfoil chain.
  • 1 0
 try reading my review lol
  • 1 4
 I'll say what I always say; when I see them on a World Cup DH riders race bike, then I'll buy some. If it's not there not then it obviously doesn't work yet!
  • 2 2
 old technologie......
  • 4 0
 It's just another mechanism that pulls an inner cable through an outer cable. They're ALL old technology
  • 3 4
 why the hell do we need grip shifts!!!!!!! really sram!!!!
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