Formula had their recently-launched Neopos system. When it launched some of the comments called it an elastomer system, which nowhere near does it justice. The brain child of their head suspension engineer, Luca, it has been a personal project for him that became a company project when he could demonstrate the results. Born out of a search for a better volume token, he discovered that if he used a very sensitive, closed-cell material, it not only provided that end stroke progression, but the way the air reacted with material meant that it reduced some of the inconsistencies of how air reacts under pressure - he claims this helps alleviate one of the biggest downsides of using air vs coil for suspension. We will be getting our hands on a set as soon as we can to see if it lives up to his predictions.
Formula also had their Cura 4 brakes on show - this is an exclusive OE anodized colour for Ghost.
Tucked away on FSAs stand (or at least out of the way for people who don't read road racing press releases), was this - the K-Force hybrid drivetrain. While they won't say anything firm for MTBs, they would tentatively say that we might see these next year and the tech is certainly interesting. It uses several different ideas in combination, to create something unique. The actuation is done via ANT wireless comms - although for this system there are coin-sized batteries in the shifters, with a battery in the middle to drive the front and rear derailleurs (hence the wiring here). For this road system, expect to see it on World Tour-level teams next year, but while they hope to have this for MTB next year, they admitted that the challenges of the added dirt, water and danger needed to be addressed. [update: due to translation issues we previously reported that this system uses hydraulics to shift instead of servos. Apparently that isn't the case.]
While Fizik may be a name better-known on the tarmac and XC-side of things, but they are starting to make moves into more gravity-fed disciplines. The eagle-eyed may have spotted that the Syndicate have been running their saddles recently, replacing their long-standing deal with WTB. At the races, they have been running these carbon-shelled Monte-S saddles with custom colours that tip the scales at just 250g.
To celebrate their 60 anniversary (that itsn't a typo - Scott started in 1958 ), they decided to dig out some of their DH history - including this race bike from the late 90s. While their new DH prototype spotted at Losinj may look good, who wouldn't secretly love it if they went back to producing this kind of twin-shock, twin-seatposted lunacy?
Suntour also had this, which is the burlier end of their range - the Triair, complete with trunnion mount to bring it back up to date. They describe it as being designed for enduro through to freeride use, but also say that it is the same shock Florent Payet raced on at the opening round of the World Cup this year.
Suntour had their trunnion-mount Linair shock on show - they say they are available now.
Abus had their new Montrailer helmet on show - their flagship mountain bike offering. It is absolutely loaded with features, with a MIPS liner, a shatter-resistant lightweight visor, flidlok magnetic buckle, a clever, one-piece adjust system, anti-static liner and many other thoughtful touches. It offers good back of the head coverage and the weight seems impressive. It should hit stores in a couple of months with the basic version selling for 149 Euros, and the MIPS version for 179-199 Euros - there are two options with the MIPS liner - a single colour outer shell and a 20 Euro upgrade for a more complex, 5-part shell that adds some colour to the mix (but does not affect the safety performance).
Effetto Mariposa had this very discrete torque wrench prototype on their stand - it is the smaller one with the taped out logo as the graphics were not finalised. They currently make two models - the standard size wrench you see alongside here and a monster-size one for higher loads. This new, little one is for the smallest bolts and the lightest torques.
In the race for bigger dinnerplates for your rear wheel, Leonardi are a name that has been slightly forgotten - which is a shame as, 1) they were one of the first to get to market with a conversion kit to add more range to your exisiting cassette and, 2) they are 100% handmade in Italy. They offer some nuts spreads too, going up to 11-52 with a claimed weight of 379g. Prices are said to be very close to the 400 Euro mark, which is fairly comparable to the list price of SRAM's Eagle XX1 cassette.
Mike Kazimer has already written about the Bold Uplugged prototype at Sea Otter - what you did not see there is a prototype DT Swiss trunnion-mount shock. They weren't saying much at this stage, but if DT are happy for photos to circulate, we would assume the secretive Swiss feel it is fairly close to being ready.
EXT won a couple of "Best in Show" awards yesterday. Here, Daniele models what has to be the biggest damping unit at the show. It is built for off-road buggies where the suspension works as an integral part of the chassis also. Feel free to add your own size jokes.
EXT also won the prize for the most expensive/coveted damper at the show. This may not look like much, but it is from the series they produced for Williams F1 in the late 90s - they say this is from the same series that Jaques Villeneuve used on his way to his F1 title. Oh, and if you fancy one, they are around 8000 Euros per damper and for an F1 car you'll need 6 - 4 for the wheels and 2 for the chassis roll.
Sadly this wild rear brake mount on the Trickstuff stand is simply a demonstrator to let you test their pad compound vs the stock Shimano pads, and not the Mad Max-style double brake system I hoped it was.
This is one of the highlights of the show for me - it is not new, but in terms of value for money, this Propain Tyee was very impressive. Propain are a small, German, direct sales brand who don't have the same profile as brands like YT or Canyon. On their site, they have a configuration tool - so when I asked whether you can put a piggyback shock on this bike, the answer: "Yes, for a couple of hundred Euros upgrade, no problem." Working it out with their marketing guy, this bike, with a Rock Shox Super Deluxe rather than the Deluxe shown here works out to just under 3,500 Euros, which puts this a couple of hundred Euros ahead of many of their competitors with a spec that looks race-ready.
"but the way the air reacted with material meant that it interacted with the moving air in such a way that it reduced some of the inconsistencies of how air reacts under pressure"
@Jackson900: I believe it to be read as sarcasm Good Sir ...I lol'ed cuz it is true. A genuine drift is hard to get in most spots of trail but the videos must be made! ...skid away rider....skid away...
Dual system are common in bicycle trikes and some tandems. Usually it is v-brake + disk. All power, little modulation. A two disk caliper like the one in the picture is going to pull off the brake mount from the frame.
You'd lower your expectations of the FSA system if you saw the pro road mechanics rebuilding every single team bike with a competitor's group in Australia this year because it couldn't handle the heat.
Interesting concept with fsa's hydraulic electronic shifting system, with it you could very easily move most of the derailleur onto the front triangle with just a hydraulic line, actuator, and derailleur cage on the rear triangle with very little that could get broken or affect the sprung mass of the rear triangle. Also the increased reliability of a hydraulic systems as compared to electronic actuators would most definitely be welcome however has anyone had any issues with the DI2 systems actuator wearing out?
52t cog, It's only uphill from here... 56t, 62t, 64t. What do you guys think, is 64 enough? The more range the better man.
Abus is missing a huge market opportunity. They should make a helmet that can be used as bike lock. Thank me later Abus.
Formula, hey those inserts, at least write Barolo on them for crying out loud. NEO-POS, POS - really? Ever heard what happened to Assguy at Maxxis? Product naming crisis is it?
I wonder about putting a second chain ring in the front? Two sizes of course. It would easily give a 500 plus range ... you would need something to change chain ring but ... has it been tried before?
@duzzi: What you mean like a mechanism that perhaps bolts onto the front triangle and shifts the chain between the two rings ? perhaps it would even be called a front mech , No totally barmy idea
@konacyril: no! Front mech is unEnduro and most importantly not Down-country enough. What do you want a granny ring? Are you a granny? Join us 28t front 54 in the rear. Hardcore! Climb technical steeps all day!
@WAKIdesigns: I am a single ringer have been for quite some time ,even before it was fashionable , But I do miss the sound of the chain scrapping on a poorly adjusted front mech ,dropping the chain most rides on the roots and the rocks and picking yourself up after a crash to find that the exposed teeth on the 42 outer have cut a big oily gash in your right calve ,How I miss the good old days QR,s inner tubes , skinny bars ,bar ends, 70mm stems STX and water bottles on your frame !
@konacyril: oh well I ride some single speed lately so I am untouchable. 42t chainring? Ever heard of 2 ring setups with a bashring? They even have dedicated chainguides for these. Then then dirty finger?
@konacyril: been running/still running 2x up front my entire mtn biking carrer, spanning back to 1995 and have no sound of chain scraping on poorly adjusted front mech here. Gotta adjust those things periodically to hinder that. Chain doesn't drop because I run a chain tensioner and bash ring on said 2x which also keeps the front ring from leaving a big oily gash in my right calf. All this on a 9 speed cassette with a mix of SRAM and Shimano drivetrain. Also running....wait for it...inner tubes *GASP* in my 26" tires and haven't flatted in....gawd, I cant remember when. Sounds like someone across the pond needs to toughen up buttercup! Ha
@konacyril: glad I’m not the only one with that sort of horror story. I raced XC back in the 90s as a kid and remember having to go to the ER because I screwed up popping wheelies and had to get 12 stitches. Fun times.
@lightsgetdimmer: I genuinely feel you are missing out on a couple of the best things to happen to bicycles ever. Tubeless isn't just for flats. I use every single one of my 10 gears, I never get the wrong one and the next one is only one shift away.
Hmm...MIPS..you mean the 10 cent piece of yellow-coloured cardboard with 10 cents worth of elastic bands attached to it. At least products like Leatt or Kali use something "innovative". Too bad, on paper, the sizing doesn't look to be in my favour.
@mattwragg: Spec sheet says 46mm offset on the 275 fork. iirc I was told 46mm on the 29er as well. I'd like to see an option for above 160mm 29er fork, since the latest and longest Lyrik and 36 Grip2 appear to be Vapourware up in Canada at the moment. (Had a shop check into this with distribution)
Really surprised that these smaller outfits (DVO, MRP, Formula etc) didn't/haven't capitalized on the reduced offsets market.
@gonecoastal: It might be 46, yeah. If you're surprised, I don't think you appreciate what goes into reducing the offset on a single crown fork - to reduce the offset with the lower you need a new lower mould, which is upwards of $50,000, it is slightly cheaper to reduce the offset with the SCU, but that still requires more than $10,000 investment for a new mould. That is why small brands aren't chasing after it.
I also don't understand why people are so militant about reduced offset - having played with it a little, it does feel a little better, but it's marginal gains territory and I honestly don't think most people could even tell the difference out on the trail.
@mattwragg: FOX got it right with being able to reduce the offset with a CSU swap. I'm not super interested in doing a CSU swap on my 36 FLOAT RC2 29 as I got that fork shortly after its release. Plus it needs to go back onto its regular bike.
I'm riding a MOJO G16 29 and it's been suggested to get on the reduction bandwagon. I don't have much to lose by trying it out. I'm not too pleased with how the whole 29er offset came to be and believe it could be much better.
Again, I'm mainly after a 170mm 29er fork which is proving to be impossible to find. The Formula Nero R @180mm might be the closest thing so far.
Personally I can't believe that no one has mentioned that Freddie Mercury never died but retired from the music industry
and has secretly spent his time making awesome suspension at EXT !!!!!!
Suntour does the manufacturing on DVO's stuff, so it would be no surprise.
However, I think you missed the obvious trunion mount at the head of the Suntour stuff. It doesn't look similar at all to me, having had two Topaz shocks....other than how all piggyback shocks look similar to all other piggyback shocks.
That means they have 100% control on their products quality, they don’t have to compromise quality with an external factory, they can do it in small batches, even custom, and if they come up with an idea, they can make it happen right away instead than waiting a year... i.e. they came out with the first cog extension months before others. They had the 9-48(?) cassette a year before e-13 etc. Moreover it means they love and are proud of what they do, they aren’t just producing half baked stuff based on some marketing research.
These are actual racing products, can’t compare with consumer stuff.
@RedRedRe: sorry mate but hand made is a thing you do with your hands and you talk about CNC machining.
If they made that stuff without a CNC I am impressed. Even NC would be expensive and if they are really old school they even have older machines where I would consider it a true hand made piece.
"When it launched some of the comments called it an elastomer system, which nowhere near does it justice". Don't listen to us, we're idiots. But it is basically an elastomer system.
Actually it's misleading as hell because the rotor will be bedded in with one set of pads. Any other will fell like shit until bedded in. Want to take a guess which pads the rotor are bedded in with?
Except this doesn’t use elastomer as the damper... it’s uses a closed cell foam as a spacer so that the spacer is reduced in size as the air pressure ramps up. Sounds brilliant, can’t wait to try them out!
I ride with a Neopos for two and a half weeks now. It is brilliant! Absolutely BRILLIANT! ...and it works in every fork with an air chamber without a center rod. I saw comments of guys with 36ers and Lyrics. They love it. If there would be a meassurable value for a price/effect relation, Neopos would be the killer.
Beautifully written.
for maximum everything I suggest changing the hydraulic fluid for black mamba poison
A two disk caliper like the one in the picture is going to pull off the brake mount from the frame.
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Abus is missing a huge market opportunity. They should make a helmet that can be used as bike lock. Thank me later Abus.
Formula, hey those inserts, at least write Barolo on them for crying out loud. NEO-POS, POS - really? Ever heard what happened to Assguy at Maxxis? Product naming crisis is it?
lolzo
Really surprised that these smaller outfits (DVO, MRP, Formula etc) didn't/haven't capitalized on the reduced offsets market.
I also don't understand why people are so militant about reduced offset - having played with it a little, it does feel a little better, but it's marginal gains territory and I honestly don't think most people could even tell the difference out on the trail.
I'm riding a MOJO G16 29 and it's been suggested to get on the reduction bandwagon. I don't have much to lose by trying it out. I'm not too pleased with how the whole 29er offset came to be and believe it could be much better.
Again, I'm mainly after a 170mm 29er fork which is proving to be impossible to find. The Formula Nero R @180mm might be the closest thing so far.
Moreover it means they love and are proud of what they do, they aren’t just producing half baked stuff based on some marketing research.
These are actual racing products, can’t compare with consumer stuff.
If they made that stuff without a CNC I am impressed. Even NC would be expensive and if they are really old school they even have older machines where I would consider it a true hand made piece.
road.cc/content/tech-news/216153-video-fsas-new-k-force-we-electronic-semi-wireless-11-speed-groupset
not true
...and it works in every fork with an air chamber without a center rod.
I saw comments of guys with 36ers and Lyrics. They love it. If there would be a meassurable value for a price/effect relation, Neopos would be the killer.