Meet the Stance: Giant's Affordable Big-Wheel Trail Bike

Jun 7, 2019
by Richard Cunningham  
Giant Stance 2019


Giant launched the Stance in 2015 with 27.5-inch wheels and a simplified "FlexPoint" single-pivot rear suspension system. It was aimed squarely at trail riders who ranked high on skills but low on funding, and was a hit from its inception. This week, Giant released the new Stance, upgraded with a 29-inch-wheels and numbers that should take this incredibly priced trail shredder to the next level.

Two models are offered that share the same 120-millimeter-travel aluminum chassis and sport 130-millimeter-stroke forks:

The $1750 Stance 29-1 leads off with a 130-millimeter-stroke RockShox Recon RL fork and a Monarch R shock, backed up by a SRAM SX Eagle
Stance Details:

• Frame: aluminum
• 29" wheels
• Suspension travel: 120mm rear, 130mm front
• 67.5-degree head angle
• Transmission: SRAM SX Eagle
• Brakes: Shimano M200 series
• Sizes: Sm, med, lg, XL
• MSRP: Stance 29-1 $1750, Stance 29-2 $1500 USD
• Contact: Giant USA
drivetrain. Brakes are Shimano MT 200's and the rest of the bike is filled out with Giant's house brand components, highlighted by the reliable Contact Switch dropper seatpost.

The $1500 Stance 29-2 almost matches its sibling's specifications, but you'll have to buy your own dropper post. Suspension is a 130-millimeter SR Suntour Raidon fork, paired with a Raidon R shock. It shares the same SRAM SX Eagle drivetrain and Shimano brakes, and most of the 29-1's house-brand components.


Giant Stance 2019
FlexPoint rear suspension features a single-pivot swingarm instead of Giant's dual-link Maestro system. There is also no dropout pivot.


Stance Geometry


Judging by their specifications alone, Giant's Stance twins mirror the kind of build we'd expect from any top bike brand - it's solid, but nothing here is going to turn heads. Step back ten feet, though, and the view gets better. The Stance cuts a pro-bike profile, with a just-right, 780-millimeter handlebar width, short stem, a 67.5-degree head angle, and a 75-degree effective seat tube angle. It's the real deal.

Giant Stance 2019


bigquotesI'm guessing that Giant curated the Stance to slot nicely into this country's NICA high-school league racing scene. Here's a bike that's tough enough to hammer all week long on trails, and it's just slim enough to race on the weekends. The front row of a NICA race may be stacked with with pricey carbon hardtails, but three or four rows back, it's a whole different story. The Stance, especially the Stance 29-1, is about as inexpensive as a needs-nothing XC/trail bike can be had, and it's destined to make a lot of NICA families happy.RC



Giant Stance 2019

Stance 29-1

Stance 1 specs
Stance 1 specs



Giant Stance 2019

Stance 29-2

Stance 2 specs
Stance 2 specs






187 Comments

  • + 150
 This is awesome. Proper geo, decent parts, reputable company. This is the perfect bike to recommend to those people that want to get more involved in mountain biking and have a full suspension bike to progress on. Also, a good alternative to the used market or direct sales to encourage new riders to buy from their local bike shop and create a relationship with them.
  • - 62
flag Purpledragonslayer (Jun 7, 2019 at 11:40) (Below Threshold)
 Geo isn’t quite proper imo. Sta is a bit slack, hta is a bit steep, fork offset it not ideal. But 100% agree this is the perfect bike for an entry/intermediate rider whose goal is to have fun on blue style intermediate trails. Probably perfect for a rider whose locals don’t have steep climbs or descents.
  • - 12
flag Purpledragonslayer (Jun 7, 2019 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 Also the latest giant maestro suspension designs have been getting excellent feedback.
  • + 17
 @Purpledragonslayer: any one that fashion conscious isn't going to be buying Giant anyway.
  • + 22
 @Purpledragonslayer:

There is nothing wrong with any of the numbers on this bike. Not everybody wants or needs a bike with slow and long handling, and a seat tube that puts extra weight/load on your hands when you’re not climbing or descending with the seat dropped.
  • + 7
 @Purpledragonslayer: This isn't Meastro, it's a single pivot.

Secondly, just cause you're sold on all the marketing doesn't mean everyone needs that.
  • + 0
 Dumbass, some of the best riders in the world ride 68+ hta. Steep geo isn’t just for beginners. It takes more finesse. @Purpledragonslayer:
  • + 0
 @PhillipJ: exactly...
  • + 7
 @Cool-and-Good: you don't seem very cool or good
  • - 23
flag taletotell (Jun 7, 2019 at 21:47) (Below Threshold)
 Seems like this bike has 10 year old geo numbers which suits many people just fine, but that didn't justify negative propping the guy who likes modern geo numbers. Personally 10 years back I was putting extra long forks on my bikes to slack out the HA while sliding the saddle up to correct for the STA. Geo just caught up to my needs. I wouldn't like this bike and for 1500 I would get a used 2017 bike with better geo. My friend has looked at this bike and I advised her to keep her 2007 yeti 575 since it basically the same bike in a 26. You all can enjoy this article, but that doesn't mean it is a great bike for the money.
  • + 17
 @taletotell:

I specifically said that this bike is awesome for those that want to get more involved in mountain biking. Mostly referring to those that don’t have their first “real” mountain bike. As I stated before, I think it’s smart to steer beginners away from buying used because they will most likely be opening a can of worms. There’s nothing wrong with spending $1500 with your local shop and creating a life-long bond with your community. That purchase will pay 10 fold down the road with all the friendships and knowledge you will gain from the locals.

I think recommending a theoretical 2019 “progressive” geometry bike to a novice is one of the worst things you could do. A beginner shouldn’t be thrown onto a bike that is already pushing industry norms. Leave that to the experienced to take the torch to push boundaries.

Also, this bike would definitely be an upgrade over a 2007 Yeti 575. It’s an upgrade alone considering the frame/some parts aren’t 12-13 years old. Plus, standards have changed and finding replacement parts for this bike will be easier compared to the Yeti.

Lastly, to use your logic, you can dislike this article, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a great bike for the money.
  • - 1
 @PhillipJ: weird that you say that because pretty much every bike company going copied Giants frame style and shock layout with the vertical shock.
  • - 1
 @Cool-and-Good: what do you mean it take more fitness ?
  • - 4
flag taletotell (Jun 8, 2019 at 14:54) (Below Threshold)
 @joalst: would you tell a new driver to get a new car?
No, you say get a good mechanic it learn to work in the used old car you can afford.
Better geo makes the bike easier to ride. It improves handling and climbing.
As for standards, the parts for that 2007 yeti are all available for cheaper online even now than boost stuff. The tire selection is shrinking and there are fewer wheels, but if we are still talking about a beginner that isn't a big deal. By the time they want wheels it'll be time to upgrade.
For $1500 this is a better buy: www.diamondback.com/atroz3
Both bikes have similar builds and the axle path is controlled by a single pivot but the atroz has better geo.
  • + 10
 @taletotell:
We’re imagining two different people for this bike. I know a lot of people that would be better suited with the coverage factory warranty offers rather than have to mess around when everything starts breaking or reaching the end of its lifespan. However, I see your point if it’s someone who is willing to tinker with their stuff. I just know more beginners that either don’t have tools or just don’t have the hand for it.

As far as that Diamondback, the geometry is all over the place! How can you say that’s a better bike?? 66.5 head angle with a shorter offset fork sounds good...but the large has a 435mm reach (medium has 408mm reach, no XL option). The seat angle is 72.5!! That’s far from a better option. The giant has the new dub system from SRAM so BB’s will be more readily available at your local shop. The list goes on.

I guess we can just agree to disagree haha
  • + 0
 @joalst: You are reasonable and make a sensible argument and this is the internet. Are you sure you belong here?????

As for the atroz, the seat tube is unfortunate and sizing is something giant has been very good about. My aunt just bought a Liv ebike that has this same linkage. It's fine, but I can't see paying $1500 for such and old linkage on geometry that my old Kona dawg could rival. I paid $200 for that think and it came with a fox vanilla 32 rlc. (Yes used) I feel like giant could have done a little better with the frame.
  • + 1
 @taletotell:
You as well! I’m glad we’re having a friendly disagreement haha I’d rather argue about bikes nowadays to not risk offending someone

I see your points. It’s amazing that the single pivot still holds a strong staple in suspension design. Also, I believe giant could carry the maestro design to this bike but that would detract from Trance sales. To be honest, with my previous experience with Maestro, I couldn’t tell you if I preferred it over other designs, even other single pivot designs. I’m currently on a 2019 Epic fsr and I love it (lay on the hate haha) I’ve only owned four bar and single pivot bikes long-term with some multi-link bikes mixed in for short durations and never found the multi-link bikes better or worth the extra maintenance.

For your Kona dawg, that was an awesome bike. Sounds like it worked out really well for you.

Genuine question, what would you like to see improved with this frame? Keeping in mind it’s only a 130/120mm trail bike
  • + 3
 @taletotell: world championship XC titles are being won on single pivot bikes, they are good enough for you.
  • + 3
 @joalst: a slightly slacker front end and an xfusion or other cheap but better fork would be a good start. I also want to put the qr to bed. Giant could almost single handedly do it with their manufacturing muscle. Unfortunately, Everytime they try to make a change in the industry it's to a new and strange standard instead of retiring an obsolete one.
There is one other admittedly stupid thing.
The linkage in this bike is interesting to me in how it takes advantage of the flex of the rear triangle. The kona hei hei is the same. The yeti 575 did. Marin used it too on the mount vision.
But I don't like it. It's not rational for me to feel this way. I rocked that 575 and it was fun and sturdy. Even so I like bushings and bearings in my moving bits. Designed to flex seat stays like leaf springs just makes me squirm.
  • + 3
 @clink83: just got my first non single pivot bike after years of loving them. My current rig is awesome, but not because of the linkage.
You are right. They are good enough for me.
But racers winning on them is not why. Those racers were faster on the elastomer soft tails than I am on modern bikes.
Judge bikes on what you like, not in how super human athletes perform on them.
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: You have somehow received "Giant isn't cool" when what was sent was "fashion over function is for twits".
  • + 1
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: this isnt a single pivot its a standard four bar linkage
  • + 1
 @endurogan: you're incorrect. Chainstay bolted to frame through the single pivot where the shock bolts as well.

Just because the shock is driven by a lever doesn't magically make this a four bar linkage design.
  • + 4
 I have to admit, I don't get the geometry hate. 10 years ago, 71º for both head angle AND seat angle wasn't unheard of. I feel like 75º was new school for seat angles just 2-3 years ago. This seat angle is steeper than on my Yeti SB100 and the head angle is slacker. I think for $1,750, this is great for a newer rider that doesn't have a garage full of tools and needs the shop-backed Giant warranty.
  • + 2
 @lmcfarlin: NO kidding. I have a Ripley V4- still uncertain if I'll keep it. Here on the East Coast where its all quick short up and downs, the new school geo isn't all that.
  • + 60
 Nice to see an affordable bike from time to time! Looks good too
  • - 56
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 7, 2019 at 9:48) (Below Threshold)
 I just rode the latest Reign in base setup and it rides like an affordable bike. May as well buy an actually affordable bike
  • + 31
 @WAKIdesigns: Not sure what a 3 year old designed, 27.5, 170mm, Maestro enduro bike has to do with this completely new 2020 Stance?
  • + 17
 @OzarkBike: They are both affordable Giants? I think you missed the joke, but maybe I did to. #WAKIhumor
  • + 2
 No Maestro no deal!
  • - 15
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 7, 2019 at 10:35) (Below Threshold)
 @OzarkBike: Reign is more expensive than this yet in basic version rides like a cow on a pogo stick. So it’s good that Giant released something cheaper and I doubt it is any worse
  • - 19
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 7, 2019 at 10:38) (Below Threshold)
 @jorgeposada: you’d be better off riding a Starling Murmur with CCDB than Maestro or VPP with some basic crap from Fox or RS.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: the only way to make a single pivot bike fail: put a CC shock on it ????
  • + 13
 @WAKIdesigns: I hear that, however, my 2016 reign rides unbelievably well when I got it set up. That’s after test riding a hand full of other comparable platforms from other brands. I like maestro
  • + 4
 It is nice, and does look pretty good too. Some of my most favorite bikes were SP, BUT... the first thought that always jumps in my head is how much more would it really have cost to add a chainstay pivot? I know Horst isn't always > than SP. BUT, it gives their computers more adjustment of the leverage ratio and if done right "should" be better...??? Smile
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Reigns ride really good and are super popular, I love mine
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: eat a dick waki the new reigns are one of the best all mountain bikes going.
  • + 0
 @mhoshal: uhm... if you like to go straight, yeah. I’ve ridden more nimble DH bikes. Slash 29 is more nimble.
  • + 1
 Basically if your skills are such frames become insignificant. Blaming a frame for one's shortcomings is very 1994 status. I've made multiple people on DH bike scratch their heads on a Reign, one of the best frames going, and yes have risen them all. We have a 3 day fat tire festival with every manufacturer offering free demos. The Reign is more of a mini DH, literally have achieved orbit on them.
  • + 1
 @jorgeposada: beaming in from low Earth orbit. Literally.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: in any other context riding a cow in a pogo stick sounds like the best thing ever.

I personally don't like 170mm travel bikes. They are never nimble and often as not 140mm bikes beat them in enduro races.

The new stance is a response to Walmart getting into the game. Everyone get ready for the onslaught of old geo numbers and low end parts. They all are going to have to do this, which will be great for beginners, but the aftermarket parts are going to get pricey pretty quick as demand for upgrades starts to grow.
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 8, 2019 at 15:23) (Below Threshold)
 @taletotell: I must admit, I like nimble bikes that go well around the corners and change lines without much encouragement. And can still make it more than well through sketch. Many bikes can do that. For instance Antidote Dark Matter is an extremely capable DH bike that feels... like an Enduro bike. You don’t need to push it to the limit all the time, it is refreshingly responsive when you want to take it easy. Same with my bike or Trek Remedy or E29 or previous Kona Process 153 and 167 (haven’t ridden the latest one) as well as most Santa Cruz bikes. But I found reign to be all out or nothing kind of affair. Ironically like I remember the older Glory. Slash 29 is a bloody big thing too, but it still seems more like a horse than a bloody wildebeast running forward blindly. Slash I rode had identical fork and theoretically identical shock as the Giant I rode. Either Re:Aktiv is indeed so good compared to standard RS Deluxe or Giant sucks at ordering a right tune to their shock. Especially considering GiantsMaestro should be all betters tgan Treks ABP.
  • + 2
 If you really got stones you have to try a 29er DH pogo stick. Sold my moto and bikes, now it's hardcore pogo life.
  • + 0
 @jorgeposada: it’s the combination of all things. Just because bike has 29” wheels doesn’t mean it rides like a cow, and vice versa, just because a bike has 26” whees doesn’t mean it’s flickable. An example can be a Long Spec P3 with wide bars. A matter of taste, sure but It has little to do with how nimble a DJ can be. I installed a 180mm piston to my Lyrik and it changed my otherwise sweet bike into a cow. A bit slacker a bit shorter, a bit more preload in the rear to compensate. A bit more understeer and suddenly I need to force the bastard into turns, and I hate that on steeps with little grip.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Are you trying to compare your bike to my radical downhill extreme pogo stick, how dare you. I was just bouncing down the jumps getting rad and broke my ass, best day ever!
  • + 2
 @jorgeposada: new website: pinkstick.com
It maybe that site is taken?
  • + 35
 Eagle, Rock Shox, tubeless, boost, dropper post, and proper geo for $1750! Seems like a win for consumers.
  • - 1
 Hard to call it Eagle
  • + 4
 Looks like quick release in the rear to me. Not boost
  • + 2
 Did I read the specs incorrectly? Boost front... but what is QR141 loose ball in the rear??
  • + 2
 @tbell1979: I saw that tooo.. Scratching head...
  • + 14
 It's the QR version of Boost that is becoming standard for entry-level bikes. 141mm between the dropout faces just like normal Boost, but without the 3.5mm recessed slot in each dropout that aren't needed for QR Thankfully, if you need to replace or upgrade wheels some of the aftermarket hubs with swapable end caps can be adapter from 148 to 141 QR. DT Swiss, Hope, and others.
  • + 0
 @showmethemountains: this is great info... at work and you are saving me the googles... so if I already have BOOST wheels, what do I need to do to toss them on this bicicleta?!?! thanks!!
  • + 5
 @tbell1979: It’ll be Boost 141mm probably, the cheaper (QR lever, 9mm) version of Boost 148mm.
Just as 148x12 has ‘replaced’ 135/142 x 12mm spacing on pricier bikes, Boost 141 ‘replaces’ 135QR at the cheaper end of the market.
  • + 3
 @tbell1979: What wheels do you have? If you have hubs with swapable end caps, then the end caps for converting the 142 thru version to 135 QR often work to convert to the 148 thru version to 141 QR. Or there may be a dedicated option for 141 end caps. Or you may have hubs that can not be converted
  • + 21
 I never knew it got worse than nx...interesting
  • + 6
 SX was launched only a month ago so this could well be the first refresh to use it.
  • + 3
 I thought SX was a typo until I saw it mentioned several times in the article.
  • + 14
 This is dope from Giant. Still leaning on that massive mnfr leverage. Great for the sport.

Separate note:
Anyone else tired of seeing Waki's hot takes here in comments?
  • + 12
 Not the same bike, but I bought a base Reign four years ago and it's taken me places and allowed me to ride harder than I ever thought I would. I'd always recommend Giant for people who are nervous about direct sales at this price point.
  • + 8
 This is great. I really love these modern trail bikes as they are great all rounders and these will provide an amazing entry point for newer riders who are looking to step up from entry level bikes. Hope more companies hop on board and provide other competitive options for the masses.
  • + 7
 Bikes have gone crazy expensive the past few years! It's nice to see affordable options. Hope they do other categories as well, not only XC/Trail.

And most importantly, I wish other manufacturers did the same.
  • + 6
 Man I gotta laugh 99% of us are weekend warriors who MTB for a laugh and a bit of fitness. Reading some of these comments you'd think it was NASA launching a shuttle. The bikes these days are good... Better than before... You can make riding fun on any of said bikes. Enjoy your choice.
  • + 6
 $1500 is a sweet price for what this bike is. If the first thing you want to do is change out the fork...than go spend a lot more on a bike. People that will be buying these as first real FS bikes and or high school bike teams or clubs, will love these, and enjoy riding them while you bitch about forks.
  • + 9
 I'd love to see a comparison between this, the Marin Hawk Hill, and whatever else is in that price bracket - compare to each other, then compare to bikes just one tier above (like the low-end Diamondback Release, the Kona Process 134SE, etc., which are all around $2k). Full on entry level FS bike shootout, as a resource for all of us who are constantly asked to recommend a bike for people getting into the sport.
  • + 2
 @g-42: there’s always YT and Canyon. I have last years Spectral(1,800), and the Lady has a Capra (1,600 on sale) both are the aluminum base models. Both have been fantastic bikes, and we race (abuse) them with zero qualms. Wonderfully affordable for the spec that you’re getting. As long as a new rider has a knowledgeable friend to help them to realistically sort their needs, it’s easy enough to wade through the offerings and come out with a bike that you can grow with/into.
  • - 4
flag Svinyard (Jun 7, 2019 at 15:18) (Below Threshold)
 @g-42: There is no question...the winner for value bike is Calibre Bossnut Evo. With a coupon you can get for like 1100$. Shipping is an issue since they switched websites (GoOutdoors) but that'll be fixed sometime soon. Its an 11sp AND doesn't have total trash for the shock and fork. Monarch Shock isn't ideal but the Rekon SL fork is def a step up from this things (and the Silver TK). All that and its 400$ dollars cheaper. Giant needs to just mimic that and up their spec. 1500$ for this spec sucks compared to all that.
  • + 3
 @Svinyard: calibre is older 11 speed vs new 12spd eagle, calibre has a steel stanchion fork vs alloy air fork, calibre has non tubeless tires vs maxxis exo tubeless, calibre has generic samox crank vs sram dub 12spd crank.

calibre has better brakes and rear shock that's it.

calibre retail is $1660 usd vs $1500 usd
  • - 3
 @OzarkBike: Dude...the Calibre has the same suspension as the Stance 1 1750$....and somehow you are acting like thats a negative? Lets not be silly please. Eagle is nice...but not 400$ more nice. Cranks are cranks at this point. You are off on the tires too. The rims and tires are all tubeless supported dude. So here it is:

Calibre:
- Better fork (by a fair amount)
- Better shock
- Better Brakes
- 400$ cheaper

calibrebicycles.com/bike/bossnut-evo

Not a perfect bike but better than this.
  • + 4
 @Svinyard: The Stance 2 is $1500 usd. Not sure you are comparing apples to apples? It is not a better fork at all plus it is a steel fork...... and it is not Boost rear and $160 more than Stance
  • - 3
 @OzarkBike: The Bossnut Evo is using the same Recon fork as the Stance 1 1750$, which is better than the Raidon fork on the Stance 2 (1500$) right? I can buy the bike for 400$ cheaper. its a perpetual sale thing. Cheap bikes and all that. yeah I'm comparing their cheapo Bossnut Evo to the Stance 2 1500$ bike. You can buy the Bossnut evo for about 1100$.
  • + 5
 @Svinyard: It is not the same fork.... it has the STEEL stanchion version. Retail vs retail not some made up price. Deals can be had anywhere.
  • + 1
 @OzarkBike: I think it is the same fork, Calibre just has no fast black color. Both use Steel Stanchions right?

This is the fork right? ("bomb proof steel stanchions")
www.sram.com/rockshox/products/recon-rl-0

Maybe I missed that Giant has some special version of this on their 1750$ bike? I know the 1500$ spec uses a different fork, not sure if you think the Raidon fork on that spec is better than the Rekon on the upper tier spec...is that what you are saying?

Normally I'd agree with you on MSRP vs MSRP but its just not reality due to Calibre's somewhat old school distribution. Its been on sale since it about came out. Its not some bro deal. It just super affordable and close to the spec of Giants 1750$ bike, minus a few things...but still for 1150$.
  • + 0
 @Svinyard: once again... no not the same fork. the silver chrome color forks are the 3-4lbs plus heavier steel $200 forks. The Suntour fork is nice on the $1500 model. The Calibres are on sale because all the parts are 2-3 years old.
  • + 1
 @OzarkBike: Its the newer Rekon SL fork as well on the Calibre. Just minus the coating. BOTH forks have steel stanchions man. You keep saying steel like the 1750$ bike doesn't have steel. Ping Calibre on FB and they'll tell you the same thing. Same fork, minus the fast black coating. Both forks have 32mm steel stanchions.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: I Was speaking of the $1500 Stance with the alloy Suntour fork compared to the Calibre.
  • + 1
 @OzarkBike: Gotcha, regardless the Calibre has the same suspension as Giant's 1750$ bike. I'm not a fan of that Raidon stuff on the 1500$ spec'd giant. You'd think if it was better it'd be on their 1750$ bike. Who knows tho I guess.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: yep... still both are good for entry price point
  • + 2
 @Svinyard: that's a nicely specced bike, but the frame itself is a step down from the Giant IMO.
  • + 1
 @g-42: and the DB atroz, which is $1400 and has a slack HA, but is probably very heavy.
  • + 5
 Why is there so much worry towards the racing world? All the new "enduro race machines" and the above summary for this bike. I used to race, but it stopped being fun. I wonder what percentage of the mtn bike public actually races.
This bike looks pretty nice though....maybe throw on smaller wheels and a longer travel fork and it could be fun!
  • + 2
 I think he was specifically talking about high school racing, which is popular but unaffordable for a lot of kids.
  • + 5
 Absolutely loving it, but my one issue is that it has no rear pivot. Flex stays make perfect sense on carbon rear triangles, but there's been more than a few companies that have used this system on an alloy frameset eventually leading to warrantying of frames. That said, fuck yeah Giant, that's a lot of bike for the price!
  • + 1
 Giant themselves had to warranty quite a few broken stance chainstays on a previous model accordingbto mtbr forums. Alu is not meant to flex forever. This is one of the few cases in mt.bikes where carbon is indeed the right material.
  • + 3
 @justwan-naride: At least they do warranty them, which is completely fair. The companies I'm affiliated with have also been very good to replace frames when it was an issue.
  • + 5
 Considering this bike cost the same as a decent set of carbon wheels , it's a great dual suspension bike for a newbie getting into the sport.
  • + 4
 I think this is less than a Trust fork, even after their price cut.
  • + 3
 what suspension system is that??? I can´t work the math in my head, seems like it works as a single pivot, but it has the upper linkage, makes me imagine that the system forces the rear frame to flex a little
  • + 8
 The rear stays do have to flex in order to compensate for the arc of the rocker link. The designer, however, can minimize that flex by carefully averaging the arcs of the swingarm and upper rocker to the point where its effect is so small that it will not stress the frame. It's a nice trick.
  • + 1
 @RichardCunningham: Ok. But is that what they did? I'm highly suspicious of aluminum flex stays.
  • + 2
 just put an hand of the Embolden (the female version) in 27.5 for my daughter and very happy with it. That was simply the best option.
She enjoy it a lot BTW

But this new version, still for kid around 5'4" like my daughter, I think the 27.5 make more sense than 29.
  • + 2
 If you know anyone else who's looking for their daughters, look at the Norco fluid FS 4.... They go down to an extra small and have 27.5 wheels up to size medium. Also arguably better value in Canada.
  • + 2
 The front center is pretty dang short (reach included). XL with 471 reach in no way fits a tall guy. Kind of a short travel Hightower with still a slackish STA due to the kink in it.

Giant pisses me off with the kinked Seat tube nonsense. My wife has the embolden and I can barely get a 125mm dropper (maybe not even...I think we had to settle for 100mm) in it and it's not even internally routed...like it was too expensive to drill a hole in the frame. Glad they at least fixed the internal thing it seems. The interrupted seat tube is a flaw tho.
  • + 2
 Agreed. Where did they pull this geometry from, '98 Trek catalogs?
  • + 3
 @5poundplumbbob: or like, 2019 trek catalogues XD
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: I think the reach on the fuel XL is an appropriate 487mm or so.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: I was referring more to the seat tube kinks that feature heavily on the fuel EX and slash Smile
  • + 2
 I know its a crazy though, but not everyone wants a super long slacked out enduro race bike. Some people like to have bikes that actually climb as well as they descend. Giant does a great job of making middle of the ground bikes with good component specs for people who want a well equipped trail bike without gimmics.
  • + 1
 @clink83: the super long bikes are around 500+ reach for me at least, in an XL. Moderate bike that rides really nice up and down is easily fine around 485. 471 tho...
  • + 2
 @Svinyard: heh, my hardtail has a 439mm reach in an XL...
  • + 5
 It’s got a very nice stance to it......
  • + 7
 It is a Giant improvement
  • + 2
 It’s reigning puns.
  • + 1
 This is basically the new Trance 29 front triangle mated to a simpler rear end; I'm pretty sure this is the case anyways. Follows the same formula as the previous 27.5 Stance/Trance, and the 26 Yukon FX/Trance before that. Regarding snapped flex stays, Giant have always been very good with warranty coverage and I doubt this will be any different.
  • + 5
 Maybe aesthetically but it shares nothing with the new Trance 29. Not even near the same geo.
  • + 2
 Nice to see the big G coming out with more 29'r options compared to previous years. For the record, I have a 27.5 Trance 140/150 trail bike and love it. Decent climbing, excellent cornering and downhill.
  • + 4
 thats alot of bike for $1500. never been a giant fan but bravo to you giant. well done
  • + 1
 This article makes it sound like this bike is comparable to bikes that cost significantly more, which isn't necessarily true. It might be a good value, but the parts are quite low-end. It's really weird to name-check SRAM SX multiple times without explaining what the hell it is and whether it's any good or not. Many people think SRAM NX--previously the lowest-end SRAM MTB drivetrain--is quite junky. To slide one in underneath NX, first you're going to have to explain to me why it's actually totally decent.
  • + 1
 My kids will be riding used bikes if they race. A two year old bike often costs less than $1500 and has far better parts than a new bike like the stance.
Of course I'm a mechanic...
Kids have it too good sometimes. I saw a kid who might have been 14 rocking carbon wheels on his carbon trek. His dad was on an older (still decent) alloy frame and hoops. I was so happy to get an iron horse hardtail with cable disk brakes.
  • + 2
 Not banging on the specs as this is a bike for the budget-conscious rider after all. But kit her up with Fox 34 Performance and DPS shocks and she’ll be good to go!
  • + 2
 I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these used next year and throwing some nice used parts on it...
  • + 4
 Forgive my possible ignorance, but what on earth is SX Eagle?
  • + 2
 Slightly lower end version of the already lower-end 12 speed NX. Uses a traditional (not XD) driver, so 11t is the smallest cog in the rear, just like NX.
  • + 3
 @g-42: Ah, thanks. From the context of the Stance and the fact that it was mentioned multiple times in the article so I figured it wasn't a typo, I sort of guessed it was about as you described, NX but a step lower, but I'd never heard an announcement or anything about it. Smile
  • + 1
 @mtbikeaddict: there wasn't much of an announcement, they kinda released it under the radar. Bike radar has an article about it here, as well as a youtube video that shouldn't be hard to find. www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-sx-eagle-groupset
  • + 3
 It’s plastic junk that does not belong on an mtb. Great for hybrids, but the rear derailleur is about an x3 RD they added a clutch to. You can tell the limit screws are actual SCREWS not bolts the screw into the plastic body of the derailleur. Yikes
  • + 4
 It has more travel then their trance lol.
  • + 1
 Flexy stays single pivot instead of Maestro though. Cant do too much sending on it.
  • + 0
 I like the price point, but I had a buddy snap the rear chain stay casing a 1 foot long double, the flex point suspension just couldn't flex enough. Great for entry level, but if your doing anything serious I would step up to a trance at least.
  • + 2
 Heard they had issues with that run of frames... word is that it's been solved and supposedly even the biggest hits on the newer gen frames are totally fine.
  • + 1
 It was not this bike. This is an all new 29er which has never existed before this model year. However, I did see the first generation 27.5 (several years ago)crack on a friends bike and he was told it was corrected on newer models.
  • + 3
 @OzarkBike: Ahh ya that makes sense.. was all second hand info.
  • + 5
 @OzarkBike: My son (admittedly he's 11 now and weighs less than 100 lbs) has ridden the shit out of his 2019 Stance 27.5 for a year with no frame problems at this point, and he hits 8+' drops and large jumps. Since he's moving into more speed-oriented, steeper enduro racing now, he's ready to move up to a 29" bike with more travel and more modern geo (currently eying a Sentinel), but I'll give it to Giant: for the price point, he's gotten a lot of riding out of his Stance.
  • + 3
 Where is the reign 29, we have been waiting for years
  • + 1
 I applaud Giant for bringing this bike to market! Very refreshing to see options like this pop up in a sea of overpriced bikes.
  • + 2
 So the $1500 bike has alloy 34mm stanchions forks and the more expensive one has 32mm steel. i'd just buy a dropper post
  • + 1
 So its a cheaper Trance? If I didn't already know I'd say it looked exactly like my old 2011ish Trance. Pretty cool either way.
  • + 3
 Great BANG for your BUCK..RO GIANT!
  • + 3
 Wow! Have to hand it to Giant this is really impressive.
  • + 3
 They will sell alot of these.
  • + 3
 This is a fantastic bike for someone getting into the sport. Bravo Giant.
  • + 1
 Vitus (CRC's house brand) has super affordable bikes with better components. Can even get carbon with GX eagle and good suspension under 3k.
  • + 1
 Spelling error in small frame geo chart? 338mm seat tube length and 400+ reach? Next size up is 431mm seat tube length? I bet it's 383mm for small.
  • + 1
 this has given me a glimmer of hope to see a 29er reign and a 29er glory. they probs won't race them until production to be fair.
  • + 2
 Thank you!! It wasn’t too hard, was it?
  • + 1
 I'd spring for the Norco Fluid instead, little more money but much better bike.
  • - 1
 I like the idea of fair-priced bike due to the fact that I have a ripping 12 year old daughter who needs a solid xc bike. However, I'd never get a giant after the way they stuck it to Dave Weagle.
  • + 5
 This is a myth. DW was brought in by Giant to help them develop Maestro and they paid him US$600,000. Giant are silent on the matter but you can find the outcome of DW's failed lawsuit online.
  • + 3
 More of this. Amazing!
  • + 1
 Has nobody noticed the black oil on the fork on the first picture? solid fork
  • + 2
 Freshly serviced forks will leave oil on the BLACK stanchions...service yo fork!
  • + 2
 I am an old Giant hater snob for sure but this one looks nice.
  • + 0
 Really great but please get rid of the Recon. First thing I'd change is that fork. Charge a little more but put a proper fork on the bike.
  • + 1
 Is the Sektor much better?
  • - 2
 @Trouterspace: Not at all. I hate the entry level forks on all entry level bikes. First thing to do is change the fork for a better experience. Leave that crap to costco/walmart/Canadian Tire bikes and spec something decent that will last a few years (as nobody will really be hitting true gnarly on these...one hopes). With a better spec'd fork, at least they can ride with some confidence and understand what it should feel like.
  • + 6
 @MMOF: I pity the snobbery.
  • - 3
 @mtbikeaddict: no snobbery. Just feel like the first time purchaser who doesn't know any better is still getting ripped off
  • + 5
 @MMOF: Sektor uses tokens and has the Debonair air spring. Seems pretty solid. No it doesn't have the Charger Damper, and it has 32mm stanchions. But aside from that, what's so bad about it?

I ask because I want to get a hardtail to fit between my full rigid XC bike and my 160mm Pivot Mach 6.

Some of the bikes I've been looking at spec the Sektor.
  • + 3
 @Trouterspace: I agree as a fork is seems solid. I would prefer that they spec'd at least a revelation on these bikes as the rest of the bike is capable of so much more. Yes, the Sektor is a mid-entry level but the rest of the bike is not. The pother components that one could/would upgrade are certainly a lot less expensive than the fork. At least offer the revelation and you have a solid keeper of a bike and any upgrades are easier to apply.

I had an earlier Sektor on a Process 135 and the bike itself was limited by the fork. I put a Pike (bought from JensonUSA) and now the bike was one I actually really liked and enjoyed for the few years that I had it. That fork then was a $600 upgrade. If I had a decent fork to start with, then that need to change would've been mute.
  • + 5
 @MMOF: I think the current spec is well balanced. If you know you want a better fork, put in an extra couple hundred $ up front and you can get a different model with a better fork and better everything else
  • + 2
 @MMOF: couldn't agree more
  • + 0
 @MMOF: you can't get most mountain bikers to set the proper sag or rebound on a bike, the fork is fine.
  • + 2
 How good or bad is the flex stay design? Pros and cons?
  • + 3
 It is basically a modified single pivot design like many brands use, including the new Epic and many others
  • + 1
 @OzarkBike: is it on par with a typical horst link setup?
  • + 2
 @Svinyard: the new Epic went away from the Horst link and uses a modified single pivot design. Many brands have use or used a modified single pivot such a Kona, Rocky, Spec, Etc. It is a proven design, but not a supple or deep feeling as Maestro.
  • + 2
 Modern single pivot bikes ride pretty well as long as they have a good shock on them.
  • + 1
 The Stance looks like a really square deal. I think I will pointing a lot of new riders in its' direction.
  • + 1
 Got to admit it has me in a trance. But will it reign in glory as the budget king?
  • + 0
 Nice bike but the seat tubes are a bit long for each size relative to the reach. These bikes seem like they were made for people who are all legs and no arms.... T-Rex bikes!
  • + 2
 Did they use a QR rear end to help with the flexpoint or to save money?
  • + 5
 yes
  • + 1
 Boost QR 141 like many other brands.
  • + 2
 But why the front der mount?
  • + 4
 Some countries still prefer 2x, North America only gets 1x stock from what I've heard
  • + 1
 What are the weights of these bikes? That would be important info.!
  • + 4
 Its really not that important for entry level bikes. Assume it’s heavy.

I can’t think of any bikes in this price range with similar features so weight is simply a number in this case.
  • + 3
 @lognar:
Closest options I can think of that have similar geometry and travel:
Marin Hawk Hill (27.5") and Rift Zone (29er version). $1600 models have Recon RL, X-Fusion O2 R shock, Shimano brakes, tubeless ready wheels, dropouts can be upgraded to 148mm thru-axle, Deore 1x10, no dropper
$1950 models have Recon RL, Deluxe R DebonAir shock, tubeless ready 148mm thru-axle wheels, NX w/ Sunrace cassette, Shimano brakes and a dropper

Spec Stumpjumper ST $1870 is close to the Stance 29-1 but you don't get a dropper and I don't think the rims are tubeless ready It has SLX 11spd vs SX Eagle, and is a proper Boost thru-axle frame
  • + 1
 @showmethemountains: forgot about the marins, and didnt know about spec offering something that affordable. Cool to have options.
  • + 1
 @lognar: Yes, more options in this range are great! Especially if you don't have a local dealer for one of these brands and/or your dealer for one brand isn't a good shop
  • + 3
 @lognar: Except that the article frames the bike as a great NICA option, so weight is somewhat important in that setting. My son has the 2019 Stance 1, and it's a 30+ lb. pig, so I imagine this one will be similar.

For kids who are only going to have one bike and do a lot of trail riding outside of NICA, this isn't a bad option (my son's has served him well in everything from XC racing to park riding to gnarly enduro and DH). I would say that most kids who are really into racing NICA would be better off spending this money on a lighter race hardtail, as most NICA courses don't really need full suspension.

I'm not bashing the bike, but I DO think weight needs to be a factor, especially if you're framing it for youth riders, many of whom weigh less than 100 lbs.
  • + 1
 @Hogfly: the article says this bike isnt for competative racers...
  • + 3
 @Hogfly: if you already know its a pig, why do you need the weight? All im saying is that for entry level bikes, weight really isnt a factor that needs to be considered. If you want a fully and only have $1800 to spend your options are limited, theyre likely within a pound or of eachother. So putting a number to it really doesn’t make a difference.
  • + 1
 Weight please?
  • + 0
 Just a giant frame without mastero. I don't think it worth the price.
  • + 0
 Norco fluid 29. Boost, great geo and four builds to fit your budget.
  • + 2
 Norco starts at $1800 with a steel fork and non Eagle 10spd group.
  • + 1
 @OzarkBike: Stance looks great, I’d love to give it a try. Fluid is also a great starting point, I’ve owned a 15’ and it was a great trail bike. Pretty sure the exchange rate puts these bikes closer together in price when buying in Canada. Cheers.
  • + 1
 Frame-only option?
  • - 2
 Great value, once again from Giant.
Now, do a 29er Trance 120Rr/130-140Fr!
  • + 6
 the new trance is 115 -130
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