Norco's Prototype DH Bike Explained On Video

Feb 11, 2011
by Mike Levy  
You may have seen some photos floating around here or there of Norco's new prototype DH rig, but inside we have one of the main men behind the design giving to give you the lowdown on video. Watch and learn!

Watch the video below to learn more about Norco's prototype DH bike:

2012 NORCO DH BIKE PROTOTYPE REVIEW

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Sometimes you see the neatest things while out on a stroll at the river. This is Norco's prototype downhill rig, one of only six in world, just outside of their Port Coquitlam, B.C., headquarters. Norco factory riders have been testing these rigs and design changes for the next round of protos are already in play. Keep in mind that production is still quite a ways off, it could look quite different by the time it's ready for production.
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A closer look makes it very clear that the shock isn't floating, but mounted solidly to the main triangle. Yes, from a distance it may resemble other rigs... No, it is not the same and it will have a ride personality all to its own. There are only so many ways to layout a bike, and as designs progress it will be the smallest of margins that will make one stand out from another. Two bikes may share a similar silhouette, but a chain stay being slightly longer on one or a pivot point that differs by just a few millimeters, let alone the angles, will result in massive differences on the trail.
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The back of the prototype sports a clean looking Syntace X12 thru-axle system that should be slightly lighter than what has been used in the past. Internal routing for the rear derailleur's shift cable not only keeps it looking orderly, but also prevents the chain from beating on the housing. Like found on all of the other pivots, captive hardware is used to make maintenance easy.
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Originally used on road bikes, then BMX before it trickled over to mountain bikes, an integrated seatpost clamp makes for a tidy looking setup. By going this route a keyway on the seat tube is no longer needed, which P.J. says eliminates a weak point inherent to the more traditional design that uses a separate collar.
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The prototype uses these smart built in bumpers to prevent damage from the fork's stanchion tubes in the event of a big off. There are a few manufacturers incorporating these into their latest bikes and I'm sure we'll see many more in the future; they certainly make a lot of sense.


Visit the Norco website to see their current lineup and learn more about A.R.T Suspension.


Do you like what you see from Norco? Excited for the new machine to hit production? Let's hear what you think - put those thoughts down below!

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291 Comments
  • 12 2
 Yeah it's in this month and last months Dirt mag,and it loox pure mint,and Ben Reid loox pleased with it.The Dirt/Norco DH team will be using them and they'll look gorgeous in the Dirt team colours.Wicked looking rig.
Gary. Helmet Pimp Beer
  • 3 0
 where can you find a dirtmag magazine?
  • 10 0
 In the U.K any decent newsagent has them,but i subscribe and get a week before it goes on the shelves.But i appreciate your in Canada and things are obviousley different their.The reason i say that m8,is because Dirt is a massive magazine worldwide.But to give you an instant taster i suggest going to www.dirtmpora.com,and they will tell you all you need to know.But on the front of the mag it does say that it costs $10.99p CAD.So it's deffo available over in your neck of the woods m8.
Gringo. Beer
  • 2 0
 Try any large magazine store that carries bike mags, they should have Dirt.
  • 1 0
 thanks guys, because this guy told me that he seen my quadski machine picture in this months issue of dirtmag or dirtwheels magazine so i really want to se it

if you go in my album you will see it, its a redneck quad/skiddoo machine
so if you guys ever see this magazine with my pic in it then let me know

thanks
  • 1 1
 Well the magazine that me and i'm sure my m8 Ian Hylands are referring to is a different magazine altgother,cos i have Jan and Feb issues in front of me now and their is no pics of your quadski in either of them.The magazine that i'm referring to is simply titled Dirt,mtb magazine.Popular worldwide.Ya might wanna check them other magazine titles out that ya m8 mentioned on line,they'll have plenty of info on the curreht issue,and recent issues.But here in the UK i haven't heard of the magazines that ya friend mentioned,maybe your fellow countryman Ian Hylands has,but i hope that's put things into perspective for you m8.
Gary. tup Beer
  • 1 0
 konabiking22 maybe try dirtrag magazine? It's an east coast USA zine and your quadski machine is definitely something that might fit into their content...
  • 7 21
flag nz-brendan (Feb 11, 2011 at 0:26) (Below Threshold)
 mean... a glory look-a-like
  • 30 0
 a lot of newer bikes are looking so similar. I don't even need to say what this looks like but it's the first good looking norco frame, in my opinion.
  • 3 0
 "where can you find a dirtmag magazine?"

Chapters bud.
  • 5 0
 I get my glossies at the mall... Norco is getting beauty perfected this time.
  • 1 36
flag fredydh (Feb 11, 2011 at 3:51) (Below Threshold)
 NO geometry ajustability.. NO care...
  • 2 0
 Nice frame. pretty clever! but what i really wanned to know is: how are you feeling Ian? how does the treatment for Lyme goes? wish you the best!
  • 5 5
 pretty nice but I think they should be moving into the carbon game really. Santa Cruz are already there and it is only a matter of time before Specialized, Trek, Giant and maybe Devinci start coming up with some carbon bicycles
  • 1 17
flag Matt-W (Feb 11, 2011 at 5:03) (Below Threshold)
 looks very much like the K–9 DH001, hopefully it doesn't ride like one.
  • 7 28
flag madm3chanic (Feb 11, 2011 at 5:52) (Below Threshold)
 pffft cue negative props but..."a ride all of its own"? its just another FSR. an those pissy lil chainstays are gonna flex like hell. stupid norco.
  • 30 5
 Does anyone else think that this looks almost exactly like a trek?

www.pinkbike.com/photo/6156001
  • 2 7
flag DHaLLDay (Feb 11, 2011 at 7:56) (Below Threshold)
 your right if you look at the new session 88 they have those rubber things too that stop the fork from hitting. the seesion 88 isnt a prototype it has been out for a couple of yearrs. i dont car what this guy says they are the same
  • 4 0
 yeah maybe it looks pretty much the same .but the trek uses a floating shock design , while for the norco , the bottom bracket the shock mount and where the main pivot connects .is just one forged piece. the bike looks so light compared to mine
  • 1 0
 I really like the clean lines on it , looks real nice! Not a fan of the suspension system though, as in the fixed position at the bottom.
  • 1 3
 No chain guide? Hmm...
  • 2 4
 those rubber stoppers look kinda ugly, suppose form follows function ..
  • 14 0
 finally a norco thats not designed by a blind man
  • 4 0
 @fredydh like nukeproof, they think theyve got the geo perfect. less adjustability makes for a stronger frame, cheaper etc, youve just gotta trust their few decades of frame building experience!!!!!
  • 4 3
 eeeewwww a vivid air!
  • 1 1
 @madm3chanic you are dumb my brother has that bike in my garage right now you have no idea how it rides so just shut the F up
  • 1 1
 YES they finally made a GOOD LOOKING FRAME! regardless of whether it looks like others on the market, this is def a step forward for them. Lower rear shock mount looks like it could use a little more metal to prevent breakage after months or years of heavy abuse but the integrated seat clamp and bumps stops look great, i like the way theyre goin Smile
  • 1 0
 @RaleighVoid
I disagree with you, there are many companies with very strong adjustable frames out there, take the Scott Gambler for example, its one of the most adjustable frames there is! and the bike is strong as nuts. I havn't heard of any stories really of them breaking/cracking, the only time is from over tightening the pinch bolts on the frame, but other than that riding the bike alone its strong. and can be built up very light. On the other hand, that norco looks fairly light and nimble, reminds me of a cross country bike, or like the Session 88 little brother.
  • 1 0
 i actually agree with you, some frames have a fair amount of adjustability and they look beast. like with the angleset headset, thats a sweet idea. it'l be good in the future, we'll probably be able to adjust head angle on the fly. (i guess the kona coiler does that but nm)
i was just using the logic that the guy uses in this vid. www.pinkbike.com/video/157296

but when it comes to insulting a frame with no adjustability, thats just not cool.
  • 3 0
 Anyone who says this is "basically a trek" has absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and thus no reason to post here. I'm not going to go into how radically different ART/Horst and ABP are... cuz most people should already be well aware of that.
  • 4 1
 Norco took all the good things from other bikes to make this beauty. common sense really
  • 6 1
 people on this website are so ignorant, great job norco looking forward to seeing the final production frame.
  • 2 1
 @nyterider THANK YOU , you are so right
  • 2 1
 @ripperboy You do know that madm3chanic makes his own frames, dont you? So he kinda does have a pretty good idea on what he's talking about
  • 2 1
 And i think madmechanic is right, the pivot and chainstay looks small.and would fail over time but its okay since its a proto
  • 2 3
 @moongose my BROTHER has the bike in our garage im pretty sure i know whats up (nick geddes)
  • 2 1
 you're bro has a prototype norco in your garage? Anyways, medm3chanic clearly isnt dumb and he knows what he is talking about
  • 2 4
 Having a proto in your garage doesnt mean you know how it works.
  • 5 4
 hahaha ripperboy you berk stop claiming glory from your brother. dont get so defensive about a frame you didnt make, have no stake in, and will never have anything to do with developing. why dont you go to that frame, put one hand on the seat, the other on the top of the back wheel, put both feet against the bottom of the wheel, and yank them in opposite directions...watch the frame flex for yourself.
  • 4 1
 why dont you take your own advice and actually test the frame before you make bold claims like that? Norco makes stronger shit than you think.
  • 2 6
flag baker718 (Feb 13, 2011 at 10:39) (Below Threshold)
 so its identical to a;
Giant Glory
Trek session 88
New Kona DH bikes (different name to stab now)

whats special about it? im sure it is probably just made by the same taiwanese people in the same factory, but they have those same taiwanese people putting different stickers on and putting them in differently labelled boxes.
  • 4 0
 I swear this thing looks like it's 34 pounds or less. And ^baker718. No. You're wrong. In what way, if ANY is it identical to a Giant Glory? floating pivot design not present... I'm just not sure what you're referring to here. Trek Session...floating shock design, many different subtle details...As for Kona: Kona Supreme Operator it might be called? Very different as well. Take a closer (three of them) look(s).
  • 11 1
 @madm3chanic ... i didn't realize you could test the stiffness of a bike from a photo? I actually have "put one hand on the seat, the other on the top of the back wheel, put both feet against the bottom of the wheel, and yank them in opposite directions...watch the frame flex for yourself." and it doesn't flex at all. Glad to see pinkbike users are learning to feel flex(or lack there of) of a rear end from photos tho...
  • 10 1
 Awesome comment Nick, and coming from someone with first hand experience, not just analyzing the photo. Pinkbike needs more of that...
  • 3 1
 to all the sceptics: READ THE DAMN TITLE!!! is a prototype!!! the wich means it is subject to changes.. so Eassykillah just because it has a vivid air on it now doesnt mean it will have one on it when it hits production. and steve-815 of course they will have a chain guide for production.

and biggest thing if you are one of the people complaining about colors and how the fork bumpers look ugly, colours are also subject to change. remember people its a prototype.
  • 1 5
flag KURTSUCKS (Feb 14, 2011 at 19:23) (Below Threshold)
 Nnorcco i just said that~!
  • 2 1
 except that you didn't kurt, you said it would fail over time because its a "proto".
  • 20 6
 sick rig, looks alittle like the trek 88?!
  • 1 30
flag goonrider (Feb 11, 2011 at 1:06) (Below Threshold)
 thats what i thought too.. abp and floating shock i think
  • 1 0
 yup, Trek 88ish. Minus the axle/pivot and not a full floater. Also has sleak rear dropouts going on too. Sexy Lines though. I like the hydroforming trend , that's so popular presently. Norco has always been like Specialized's not so popular little cousin in the states. This design might change that. I owned a Monocoque VPS 10 years ago. I wasnt a fan of the high bottom bracket height back then.
  • 2 0
 @freeridact, I agree with you in the way that it does look like the Trek 88. At first glance it also looks like the Giant Glory with the back end dropped. over all, the norco DH rig looks sweet.
  • 3 0
 @corsair712, watch the video
  • 8 1
 Looks like a Session 88 and a Glory had a baby, and named it Worco.
  • 1 0
 Nice ride!
  • 2 0
 or i could just open my eyes and let my dial up load a picture!
  • 4 0
 This looks nothing like a Session 88 more like a Scratch an Opus or a Giant Glory with the rear end dropped. The only similarity is the direction that the rear linkage is pointing. The frame is a Clearly shaped front triangle, the shock isn't floating and they don't have an ABP system.
  • 1 0
 Used to use specialized geo...now it's trek! Lame, I think.
  • 10 1
 Great write up on a great looking bike! I'm excited to see how the production models will turn out. Definitely an improvement over their current frame. Props to Mike Levy, the writer of this article, for pointing out that "two bikes may share a similar silhouette, but a chain stay being slightly longer on one or a pivot point that differs by just a few millimeters, let alone the angles, will result in massive differences on the trail." It is sad to see how some bikes are considered "bad" or "good" based purely on what the bike looks or doesn't look like. In my opinion the best way to judge a bike is to ride one or to get info from someone that has ridden one. We could stare at pictures and talk about geometry charts all day but nothing proves a bike's performance better than some real trail time.
  • 5 0
 @AlnWrthy, I have had so many debates with my pals on that same subject. People are quick to dismiss or praise based on a sexy photo spread or a sharp paint job for that matter. You don't really know til the rubber meets the rocks. That being said, It's exciting seeing new bikes being specd the RS Air vivid. Curious if anyone has had any real runs on one and share their thoughts on it. Ive got a Session 88 I'm thinking of putting one on.
  • 1 0
 If your considering a Vivid Air I suggest reading this article www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/Real-Life-Comparison-Vivid-Air-and-Vivid-Coil,32. I found it to be very informative and straightforward in regards to how it performs in real world contidtions.
  • 1 0
 wow, that was a surprising turn out at the end of that RS Vivid / Coil review. Thanks for that. At 700.00 , though, I will need to just hold on a bit.
  • 2 4
 Kona is not considered a single pivot. early santa cruz fames like the Super 8 and the Bullit are single Pivots. Transitions are SP's.
Kona is and has always been called a "4 Bar Linkage." It's mind blowing wht people call SP's these days when it's the easiest design to spot.
  • 2 0
 @bryantaber.....You have encompassed the most frustrating thing about this place perfectly...well, that and how a bike is bad because it looks like another. People here are essentially uneducated when it comes to bikes for the most part and the SP and bike look alikes argument are the two most assinine things that people whine about on this site. Just shows that there are fewer people with the understanding of bikes than those that do!!!
  • 7 0
 I still baffles me how some of the idiots on here say this is the same as this bike or that bike. While the frame may look similar to a Trek or a Giant it is still using the Horst link on the chainstay, this has proven over the years to be a great platform for the suspension. I've ridden quite a few Norco DH bikes, Trek Sessions and Specialized Demos, all have their great points and none are terrible. This Norco is by far the nicest design I have seen them come out with! Great job!
  • 1 0
 plus, dont forget the fact that the axle path through its travel is rearward, not the typical frontward path.
  • 1 1
 i personally only ride frontward path bikes. It's a lifestyle choice.
  • 4 0
 F**king hell, some of you lot above are like whinging old women splitting hairs. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Some people will buy it, some people wont.
And all these multiple negatives for posts simply expressing a non-consensus opinion...grow up people! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is it not?
  • 3 0
 Bike design will eventually come closer and closer together as companies zero in on perfection. WHO CARES IF THEY LOOK SIMILAR. Ride it then make a comment. I for one give a big thumbs up to Norco for making an improvement on their DH bike.
  • 3 0
 why is the only thing people have is that it's a trek, it's trekish like give me a break we heard it move on. It's a Norco and a sexy one at that. Plus i don't see what all the fuss is about the suspension design, hell i'm stoked that they are going this way with it. That bike is going to ride so nice and pair that up with Norco's engineers that build bombproof frames, this bike's going to be killer.
  • 2 0
 Yes, I agree it is sexier than the current models.. Too bad it's still experimental..
  • 5 0
 personally (and i know this is a purely cosmetic thing) I dont like how Norco bikes are so curvy looking, but this one looks lean and mean....nice change
  • 3 0
 the vast majority of the comments on this article are making me lose faith in the intelligence of the masses. Any way, it was a solid video, lots of great engineering talk, i'll be sure the norco is on my shopping list come 1-2 years.
  • 1 0
 So I take it you like bikes with rear ward axle paths? Haha!
  • 1 0
 it just makes sense, you only need longer stays when you are going over rough track, and when the suspension is further compressed, then it has long stays. with frontward axle path you lose chain stay length, as well as the fact that reduced stay length allows for better cornering..
  • 1 0
 Just about all DH bikes have rearward axle paths...
  • 3 0
 Ya I think Norco is trying to bite some of the Nukeproof steeze and styling while being an exact replica of the trek session. Slap a trek sticker on there and you never know the difference. This has a wheel path of 2.5mm diff so the leverage blaablaa. It going to ride just like any kona,trek,umf,etc that shares exact same pivot and suspension. Def a formidable weapon for dh racing, but not cutting edge or proto type needed. Just produce that sucker knowing that dozens of other companies have made it work using same idea. Mert Lawwill would be proud!!!!!
  • 2 0
 Anyone else not able to make heads nor tails of the rubbish posted above?
  • 2 0
 the fact that they welded on bumpers is dumb....look at the amount of heat created at the head tube from all the welds...i sure hope this doesnt weaken it at all. Looks as tho the more things change, the more they stay the same. Looks like a giant glory to me.
  • 1 0
 the welds look like shit on the seat tube
  • 1 0
 no shit its a prototype its not the factory line yet.
  • 5 0
 Seen one of the protos with 40's on it a couple weeks ago on Burke mtn. Integrated bump stops were good.
  • 3 1
 Looks so kill and when he pushes down ,it ramps up. No lateral flex very active . All you Norco haters are worried this rig is better than yours. I think it is gonna impact bike sales huge ,The video was edited together perfectly.describing all the ride qualities. West coast top shelf. quality parts like full Saint,and gussets where you need them .
  • 2 0
 Nice bike. I do not get all the Trek references. Yeah, maybe a bit, but... To me this Norco looks and share more traits with this Specialized... www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=52804&scid=1000&scname=Mountain
  • 2 0
 wow, a lot of stupid comments flying around. check the video and the pictures first before commenting. though it looks similar to giant, trek or kona or whatever bike, its actually an FSR suspension system. the same suspension system being used by specialized and specialized actually owns the patent so norco might have to pay specialized to use such design but norco claims they tweaked the FSR to come up with the ART suspension, that could be a different story but it is in no way similar to giant, trek and kona or any bike company. it may look the same but the ride and feel will be different for sure.
  • 1 0
 this is so stupid, i liked bikes in 2008 cause they were fast and all different but now they all look the same. The Faith, THe Glory, THe Session 88, The sunday. its so stupid. Every bike within 5 years will be frikkin dw link
  • 1 0
 this is not a dw link, or horst link for that matter..
  • 1 0
 But it is a horst link bike...
  • 1 0
 What Part of Prototype do you peolple not understand. This bike doesnt have a release date and he clearly said that there is more prototying with more adjustments to be done. This is called Research and Development. See what works and What dosn't. Everyone is so eager to cast the first stone. It looks like a bike and you "Looks Like" people just look ignorant.
  • 2 0
 This is a really stupid question, but where can an average joe buy the kind of simple bike frame that is holding the bike in these pics? I have been trying to find one for a while.
  • 1 0
 At the end of the day, it's the latest and greatest that the manufacturer has put forth. Have you ridden it? Have you ridden the bikes you're comparing it to? Can you do your same tricks on it? Does it feel right for you? Stop the sissy bickering and get out there and demo before you start hating. All bikes are different. All I know is I wan to ride it.
  • 1 0
 hi fellas down there in port co. Two things i thought of with this otherwise rad bike design. please keep in mind that I only have time for a quick note and I haven't been able to see the video. One thing could totally be a non-issue. 1. I tried to imagine the rear shock rotate on the seat tube. I couldn't get a clear image in my mind as to how it would rock back and forth. 2. If I'm going to ride this beauty rig all over the planet, I'd like to be able to move the throne up and down at a whim with gloves on and not have to search for a tool, which it looks like it needs. But that's just me and kick ass looking bike you have there.
  • 1 0
 Hmmm, have you ever noticed a Honda motocross bike looks a lot like a Suzuki that looks like a Kawasaki that kind reminds me of a Yamaha. Could it be because instead of focusing on looks they focus instead upon performance? There is a reason most Motorcycles share similar design elements - because it makes the most sense. As Downhill research has improved it has allowed designers to come up with the most efficient and practical applications for bike design. They are only so many practical ways to do this, hence more and more designs looking similar to each other. I love a unique frame as much as anyone, but I love being able to faster, farther, and higher even more. I will always trade "looks" for performance any day of the week, and thats what the manufacturers are giving us. If you really need to look special because of the bike you ride, go buy a cruiser as that is what they were built for.
  • 2 0
 No, Kona is not a single pivot. It's never been. It's been a (shitty) four bar linkage for as long as they've been making dual suspension bikes.. It would probably serve them more if it was a SP. SP feels way smoother than a 4 Bar Linkage. It has 1main Pivot near the bottom bracket, a top 2nd I beam folcrom pivot for the shock mount and 2 sets of back bushings (pivots) for second I beam. It's closer to an FSR system except it doesnt work nearly as well. My buddy raced a stinky Primo in 02. It was the flexiest, stickiest, shittiest, DH rear suspension I have ever felt. Then after a year it was the sloppiest,and noisiest too. Once he switched to another company, he finally saw the light. (IH DW)
here's a friendly copy/paste text from KONAWORLD:

KONA DUAL SUSPENSION DESIGN FEATURES

Kona Walking Beam 4-Bar Linkage - All Kona dual suspension bikes use a MULTI-pivot 4-bar walking beam suspension. This allows us more options to individually tune the suspension geometry for Cross-Country, Back-Country, Out of Bounds or Downhill

* Compact rear triangle for quick acceleration
* Pivot locations cancel pedaling input on suspension
* Cartridge bearing pivots for ultra plush ride
* High torsional rigidity for ride performance & longer bearing life
* Cold-forged swingarms, dropouts, yokes, headtubes & bottom brackets for high strength & durability
* Custom-tuned rear shocks by Fox Racing Shox
  • 1 0
 I am not sure why you replied about Kona to my post?
  • 1 0
 it was pasted in the wrong spot.
  • 1 0
 Fair enough...
  • 1 0
 Looks much more up to date. I'm definitely a fan of the more traditional styling. Otherwise Norco puts out a new front triangle frame design every other year and relatively new bikes look out of date pretty quick. I think this one will probably look great for a while.
  • 1 0
 its nice but why is Norco so afraid of doing slack headtube angles? and I hate the rear dropouts and the cable wiring, it look and sounds good in theory but have any of you tried routing a cable through a frame? Its impossible unless you done it loads before or you find a really thin peice of rigid wire and try to poke it through....
  • 1 0
 agreed 100%
  • 1 0
 I agree. I've got an Orange and yeah it's great to have the cables out the way and all but you know it's gonna be twice the work if for any reason you have to remove anything. good looking bike though!
  • 1 0
 Agreed, and I deliberately use the housing to protect the chainstay from the chain - I will even use old housing on the opposite side and then tape them both up.
  • 1 0
 a bit of self modification is good for you lol.....
  • 1 0
 RS Air vivid is ugly as, but if it works then great. Just looks like a drinks can. Pity it can't be branded to look like a RedBull can or something. Norco have come a long way with their designs recently, was a real fan several years ago but they seemed to lose their way, but this is looking good. Still prefer my Session though! Smile
  • 1 0
 I couldn't agree more on the RS Air shock... And Norco seems to have make massive improvements with this design. The welds on that bike are mint as well, it's a shame most production Norco's don't get the same treatment.
  • 5 1
 Should ride well, especially with a WW2 German Potato-Masher grenade used as a shock...
  • 1 0
 i can see hwo the wheel goes in a backwards motion but i dont see how it activates/utilises teh linkage that well

i know it works, but it looks like it (seat stay) would just push into the linkage plate rather than moving it :s

also, doesnt that stanchion look way too big for the body?
  • 2 0
 imagine the seatpost and bottom bracket moving straight downwards causing the linkage to "lift" the seatstays, the rear wheel remains "static" relative to the movement of the bb.. which is what all the fuss over fsr and single pivot is about.
  • 1 0
 cheers that helps some Smile
  • 1 0
 I don't like the nipple-looking bumpers. More welds mean more places where the frame may crack, especially in the headtube area, which is under big stress. And yeah, I know it's not on the lower side of it and that the material cracks mostly right next to the weld, not in it Wink
  • 2 0
 I don't see how the bumpers would weaken anything. It's most likely that those pieces are welded onto the face of the solid tubing without any holes underneath.
  • 1 0
 Hey, want to learn about suspension systems?
radek.pinkbike.com/blog/mike-ferrentino-different-strokes.html
Great article explaining what each suspension design implies! Only thing is missing is DW*Link, and Trek Full Floater. From '06.
  • 1 0
 Kona's are single pivot bikes.
Trek 88's have Active Braking Pivots.(ABP).
Trek 88's also have full floating shocks.
I.E nothing in common with the new Norco DH Prototype what so ever.Which has actually stuck to the tried and proven FSR system that it's been using for nigh on 15 years.If all the debating in this blog is down to what this rig loox like in sillouette form,then ya could bring Turners into the debate,Rocky Mountains,Ventanas,Azonics and many more quality brands.
At the end of the day this design is nothing new for Norco,their Fluid range and 4xxxx rigs have been doing well using the same tech for years.Let's wait and see what the team/production models can offer before slagging it.But i must admit,the comparisons with Kona and Trek did actually make me laugh,the Treks are much more sophisticated machines,and as for Konas they're single pivot for fcuksake.Makes for funny reading though,so please keep debating away,ya can't beat free entertainment.Ha-ha.
Gringo.lol lol Razz Razz lol Beer
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 Hey a sucker is born every minute right. You have bought into that industry mumbo jumbo as far as active braking pivots etc. Anyone who goes mach speed through rock gardens will tell you that all the tech talk is bs. I've tried all these new production frames and the old style frames. It really doesn't make too much difference unless your imagining that it does, its all in your head! If you set bike up correctly and have some mental toughness your going to stick any line you want on any mountain. If your skills depend on "ABP" or "OPP" technology than have fun with that. We'll be out there punishing the trails while your in parking lot talking about pivot location. As far as Kona is concerned I wouldn't call that a single pivot unless you consider this new Norco a single pivot as well. Bottom line is that just about every company out there is making formidable DH bikes these days. If they look similar to other production frames then they probably are.
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 I haven't bought into anything shiska,i couldn't afford to buy into it if i wanted to,i've simply named the bikes as they are called.I,like yourself believe an old skool bike can rip as good as anything when specced right,the comment above was simply because nearly everybody was making silly similarities between this and some other bikes,when the fact of the matter is companies are always gonna make bikes that look similar.I ride a simple GT Ruckus hardtail,and i'm in the process of building a Rocky Mountain Switch up for the summer,both bikes are old skool in design,and both ride as good as any 2011 rigs of the same ilk.
But more importantly it's Sunday tomorrow m8,so we'll both be miles away from car parx and out in the woods.So all is good yeah.
Gringo. Pimp
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 Shiska you are either really ignorant or you're trying to mask the fact that you just don't understand any of the new technology. All the new designs focus entirely on overcoming the 2 biggest speed killers inherent with rear suspension. 1. Brake Jack and 2. Pedal induced bobbing. All the techologies that you mentioned, except the one you made up, . have pretty much elimanted both. Esp ABP, DW, VPP an FSR. If you don't see that, then you lack the basic comprehension needed. Brake Jack is not a state of mind, It's Real. Experiencing jack while coming out of a fast straitaway into a hairpin during a Platty race will scare the shit out of you. My Balfa, Bullit, and Super 8 were notorious for it. Now riding a Session, it's like night and day. Anyone who has ever raced a Single Pivot I'm sure would agree. Dont get me wrong, though, I still love the way SP's feel, and the simplicty. I really appreciate the ABP system . Just not all the maintenence
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 You ride at platty so now you know that technology isn't going to make you a better rider. I think these are all great bikes that your reffering to. I just want these companies to think outside the box with these designs. It seems like they just tweaking old designs and adding big words and mumbo jumbo to make sales. I've tried all these bikes out at platty so I can tell you it comes down to the setup more than the price tag. If you over complicate things and have all this technology in your head it going to slow you down in the trails.
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 I disagree Gora. Regardless if the guide is there or not (it is there) This time of year gets very competitive with new designs. It's important to get the seed planted now. Most of us don't need to see the guide to get that this bike is a big leap forward for Norco. Well done guys.
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 Not diggin the look of that rear end. Like the design but I think it would look much better if the tubing was more rectangular with striaghter lines. Would like to see the pivots near the axle sit flush with the tubing and the use of a bigger bearings. Although the rear caliper mount is a good idea I think it needs to be cleaned up a liitle maybe make it less bulky lookin. Hope you have read this Norco and consider making some changes.
  • 1 1
 It looks like a really good bike, but no better than any other 2011 dh bike. so when it eventually comes out other bikes will have progressed. for a prototype they're flashing around the web so much you'd hope for something more innovative than the current bikes out there
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 totally different than any other bike, except the canfield jedi, which features a rearward axle path, as does the jedi.
  • 2 0
 at a first glance it looks like a glory or trek but after a closer look all the little things are diffrent. the built in bumpers are sweet
  • 3 0
 Awesome prototype by Norco! I can`t wait to see the final bike, hell I might consider one!
  • 3 1
 doesnt look like a trek session or a mondraker sum at all NOT most companies are going for this suspencion system need somthing bit different instead of copying each other.
  • 3 0
 The bike is really well engeneered over all! the one thing im worrying about is the rear suspension, not a coil? And why?
  • 2 0
 most companies only use air suspension on their prototype bikes. dont worry, they'll more than likely have an option for a coil-over shock on the production model
  • 1 1
 Looks like a clean, light setup that should do well at the races. It also resembles about 10 other dh frames in production. I really don't care how much they try and tell you its different because this is 2mm longer etc. It going to feel the same at 40 mph in a rocky off camber as all the other frames that share exactly the same technology.
  • 1 0
 the thing is very few frames share the same technology..
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 Finally indeed. Both Norco and Spec seem to be moving toward a Horst linkage where the upper link is almost horizontal. I hope the axle has a rearward path, that the chainstays are short, and that the BB is low.
  • 1 0
 if you watched the video you would see that all of this is true
  • 1 0
 rhia is nice, but just aout every bike company is doing making there frames like this these days. have a little but of originality. but i have to say that it does look really nice.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a super sick design that they've put a lot of thought into, but does anyone think that downtube looks easily dentable?

Other than that, it looks like it's designed to last.
  • 1 1
 ivv had mad hate on for norco, kona and giant the last few years for mass marketing. im still no super happy with kona and as a RMB rider ill always have distaste for giant but norco really seems to be coming out with the new tech and innovative stuff, even tho it does look similer to several bikes already on the market, it has some stuff they dont, and it looks like 10X sicker then the glory
  • 1 0
 holy sheet its make up your own history time on pinkbike .oh and i hate bike snobs and really like cheap and chearful norcos Smile
  • 2 0
 i don't care what anyone says. i like it. everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
  • 4 0
 super clean
  • 1 1
 wow, that guy is selling his bike hard.
the shock is pretty close to the ST which could be a problem for coil shocks with bigger Ti springs. increased derailluer stiffness?? lol
  • 3 0
 of course he's selling it hard, it's part of his job...
  • 1 0
 The first DH Norco that looks pretty. The top tube near seat tube looks a little too oversize to me. But sill the bike looks nice. Norco don't paint it.
  • 2 1
 Beautiful bike, but hyping up another FSR linkage bike like its ground breaking strikes me as odd. Sharp looking bike though.
  • 1 0
 you did not pay attention did you, rearward axle path, need i say more..
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 I am seriously thinking that this might be my new big bike when it is finalized and released for sell. And yes anyone who says "nice trek" is acting like an idiot.
  • 1 0
 Just a joke buddy.
  • 1 0
 looks good. can't wait to see a finished product. looks to me like the best looking bike Norco's made in a while. good to see them trying to progress their designs...
  • 2 1
 That bike looks SO much like the Trek Session, same basic shape and the bumpers look like the ones on the Trek. Anyone else seeing this?
  • 1 1
 Obviously you did not actually look at the pictures or watch the video. Or you just dont know anything about suspension design or what the trek looks like. The trek uses ABP (active braking pivot) and is a full floating design (shock not connected to lower pivot). This is a revised form of specialized's FSR. Not ABP. And the shock it not floating. Looking at the general shape of the frame doesnt make it the same. And besides, there is only so many ways to shape a frames tubes.
  • 1 0
 I get all of that, just saying the frame's basic shape was probably inspired by frames like the Trek. I never said ANYTHING about the suspension setup
  • 1 0
 I would not say inspired by the Trek. Theres only so many shapes that work well.
  • 2 0
 And those are the Haro Premium Thin pedals.
  • 1 0
 Never been a Norco fan, but this bike my change my perception...... Looks good.
  • 2 0
 some shocking video editing right there!
  • 1 0
 I think this is actually really sick, but it does look alot like a knolly !
  • 3 2
 I love the look of it, but i think it needs to be slacker of the front end the the mondrakers
  • 2 0
 Mondrakers are rad
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 It may be just me, but I kinda get the feeling that this bike looks like the Trek Session but gone on a diet... Looks great though, good article too keep it up!
  • 1 0
 dunno for myself but apparently the trek sessin has extreamly thin tubing, and dent like aluminium foil. im not entirely sure tho-but theres no doubt that they are increadibly light!
  • 1 0
 Just saw this in Dirt a couple days ago! Looks like a huge improvement for Norco!
  • 2 1
 That bumper looks like it only set up for the boxxer. runing 40s would clearly miss it complettely.
  • 1 0
 you sir, dont know geometry, the center of a 40's stanchions are offset the same difference from the headtube is pretty much universal amongst dual crowns. The diameter of the stanchions is the only difference, and this will not effect where they contact the frame as all circles are proportional to one another
  • 1 0
 just bought the team dh, now they put this out. definately my bike for next season Razz
  • 1 0
 whats with all the hate? This bike looks SICK. Definitely consider picking one of these up in the next few years.
  • 1 0
 like iv said b4- a combination of specialized, trek, and some usual norco bent down tube all put together in one...
  • 1 0
 It's good to see new designs from Norco. It looks much better than the old (current) model, also it's very clean looking..
  • 1 0
 OMG!!! that bike is so so so so so so so so so so so so..........................................SICK!!!!
  • 2 0
 Just looks like the new Kona's...?
  • 2 0
 PJ is the man! Nice work buddy.
  • 1 0
 He sure does know his stuff ! Sweet looking bike !
  • 1 0
 ^ yeah looks just like one. shout out to four bar
  • 1 1
 yeah its nice but as far as im concerned thats just a nukeproof scalp and a glory 00!
  • 1 0
 Finally a decent looking Norco...regardless of design similarities.
  • 1 2
 there is no similar bike ride wise except the jedi, which is the only other bike to feature rearward axle path.
  • 1 0
 This bike look way nicer than the actuel norco's team DH
  • 1 0
 awesome bike beautiful welds
  • 1 0
 at least it look better then a giant and its canadian
  • 1 0
 i freakin want that bike so bad
  • 1 0
 i like all the bikes that look like Kona.
  • 1 0
 when does this bike come out to market?
  • 1 0
 its definitely a fun bike to ride
  • 2 0
 lean and mean!
  • 1 0
 anyone know what pedals theyre rockin on it? they look legit.
  • 1 0
 Straitline? If not, they are similar.
  • 1 0
 its clean,nice drop-outs,bumpers,seat clamp,cable routing...
  • 3 3
 Sweet rig... seems like all the companies are switchin over to this type of rear suspension design...
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 are they? the only new frame coming out (that i know of) with a similar design is the kona operator
  • 4 1
 I think he means the basic look. Looks like a Kona, Giant, and Trek.
  • 2 1
 And as somebody else stated, it's similar to the new Commencal. I think it's a good idea because the shock is in a good location with a low center of gravity. I would like to see new more creative designs though.
  • 4 0
 They all look a lot a like, but all different suspension systems.
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flag CrazyKB (Feb 11, 2011 at 6:54) (Below Threshold)
 The Specialized Big Hit 2 was one of the first comapnies too to use a similar rear suspension set up
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 It absolutely boggles my mind that with all of the money that these bike companies put into marketing their suspension platforms, you guys still confuse a single pivot (Kona), with a Horst-link (Norco).
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flag MCsession7 (Feb 11, 2011 at 6:58) (Below Threshold)
 CrazyKB - Norco invented that suspension system, and Specialized bought it off them and renamed it.
  • 24 1
 Oh god....why do I come here and read user comments.
  • 2 1
 Norco didn't buy it from Specialized. Norco did use it before Specialized bought it from the designer.Now Norco has to pay to use it.
  • 1 2
 uh jasonleebeer, isn't a single pivot the suspension design found on say a SC Bullit or an orange? not a kona, which would be a four bar linkage? and a horst link which would be found on say this norco or any other bike that has the pivot in front of the drop out, not above it?
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 @ MCsession7 -- I think you need to google the name Horst Leitner.
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 @bondy86

kona is a single pivot. look a the "bottom bar" . it starts from front triangle to rear wheel axle. it looks like a 4bars since the upper bar of the swingarm is floating and pushing on a linker.
  • 2 0
 @bondy86: A single pivot suspension design is any suspension system that has no pivots between the main pivot and the rear axle. Kona, Trek, Santa Cruz, etc. They all have a dedicated curving axle path because the axle is only rotating around the main pivot.
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 hmmmm, so how does a four bar linkage differentiate from a single pivot? is it just the way the extra members and linkage pivot points actuate the shock?
  • 2 0
 A 4-bar linkage utilizes four bars (frame, chain stay, seat stay, and rocker) to make up the suspension, hence the name. At the end of the day however the axle will follow the same path as a standard single pivot frame, albeit with a different leverage ratio.
  • 2 4
 familyman and mcsession, actually intense invented the fsr design but specialized stole the patent and currently makes everyone pay royalties and put that gay specialized fsr technology sticker on every frame
  • 2 1
 any decent bike shop will peel that sticker off before they put it on the shop floor tho.
  • 4 1
 I would like to know how you think a company can "steal" a patent. Clearly you are unaware of how patent laws work. It's not capture the flag.
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 Easykillah, AFAIK the Horst link was invented by Horst Leitner (spelling?). He had a bike company called AMP Research and as far as I can remember the AMP B4 came out some years before, say, an M1.

Someone else could correct my details cause I'm operating off the top of my head, but I think the basics are there.
  • 1 0
 I'm do not know when Intense made their FSR/Horst link bikes, and it may have been invented by them at the same time as Leitner, but Specialized most definitely purchased Horst Leitner's patents - they did not steal the patent from Intense.

Two people coming up with the same suspension design independantly is not inconceivable, and in fact I've seen it happen twice.
  • 1 0
 okay, so i looked it up, horst leitner designed the horst link in 1992 in which many companies paid royalties to use it and I believe but i could not find out for sure but the m1 was one of the first to use it. in 1998 specialized bought the patent and started calling it fsr technology.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel when have you seen that happen twice? im interested
  • 1 0
 Giant's Maestro suspension was changed to co-pivot (lower shock mount using same bolt as lower link) without the Maestro designer ever having seen the Iron Horse Sunday.

Also, Ethos Bikes came up with ICT independently of Ellsworth.
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 cool to know
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 edit
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 Nevermind, I own them already haha
  • 2 0
 Diggin. tup
  • 1 0
 nice.....a plenty of new concept design....
  • 1 0
 I think it looks freak'n sweet just the way it is!
  • 1 0
 owwwww...that is so fuckin sick! Great stufff!!
  • 2 1
 did he say aboot?
is he canadian?
  • 2 0
 indeed he is, norco is based in canada, near whistler bc(norco aline, norco bline, both a-line and b-line are dh runs at whistler Razz )
  • 1 0
 oooh! i see, thanks for clearing that up Smile
  • 1 0
 haha
'it may look similar but its not'
so its not fsr like you said then?!
  • 1 0
 its nice, but theres nothing new design
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 and you clearly didn't watch the video, it features a rearward axle path, which is the result of millimeters different pivot placements. This axle path is only seen in 1 bike, the jedi which relys on a totally different design and features straight gauge tubing. So if you actually understand the engineering of the bike and group it with others like it, you will find that there actually is no real similarities..
  • 1 0
 @ k2dan, what's more important to you? Something that looks different or something that works well? Plenty of new bikes these days are starting to look very generally similar because these arrangements of tubing tend to be the most efficient in terms of weight, strength and construction cost. Believe it or not the bike with the most similarity to this one is probably the Demo or the previous generation Wilsons.

@Freddiehg, Most, if not all, downhill race bikes have generally rearward axle paths.
  • 1 0
 freddiehj yes i did see the vid, ,but it didnt show nothing of really new ,but i didnt say the bike is not good ,maybe it willl be amazing ,maybe not ,a thing im happy is that they did change de design from there old one ,and sure at the and they all look a like and wa-aw im not for the look really of for something that works well , thank you for replying too my small comment
  • 1 0
 I kinda feel like he's yelling at me.
  • 1 0
 By god, that downtube has nipples! Very cool suspension setup.
  • 2 0
 This bike is badass!!!
  • 1 1
 those built in bumper things look like an uglier version of what the trek sessions have... ummm copying !!
  • 4 0
 so is a tapered head tube just copying for you? bumpers are slowly becoming and industry standard, why? because they just make sense. If all of us only stuck to one single original design, then we would be stuck with 1" tires, high bb's, super flexy rear ends, steel frames, rigid bikes, drop bars, and no freewheels. The industry relies on the evolution of the product for greater efficiency, if we just stuck with the original design from way back in the 18th century, we wouldnt be having much fun..
  • 1 0
 liking the integrated seat post clamp
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 so pretty much you made a skinnier version of treks 2010 session... but with little rubber bumpers and seat post adjustments built in.... this bike better cost half as much as the trek because it looks like half of the trek
  • 2 5
 haha, i wrote this before reading other comments and it looks like others relaize this is a cheap knock off of treks session aswell. tryin to pretend it took them so much time to think up the design... f'n b/s, took so much time to copy the design and figure ouyt how it works. give me a free one and i wont think your so gay for stealing ideas
  • 2 4
 maybe next year you can look back on an idea someone comes up with this year and re make it into your 2012 line of bikes haha
  • 2 0
 Are you talking to yourself?
  • 1 0
 i wish i could just have one of those.
  • 1 2
 Norco has to copy from Trek (Kona,...) to come out a beautiful bike. I like that bike very much, but looks definitely like a trek !
  • 3 0
 2 different suspension designs on both those bikes....
  • 1 0
 that's a nice looking bike also reminds me of a session 88
  • 1 0
 I am going to have to buy more brake pads?
  • 1 0
 Woodyc snags cats for ryvita
  • 1 0
 they should call it the norco float or norco glide, ahha
  • 2 1
 It's a Kona, no wait a Trek oh it's a Norco
  • 1 0
 it looks like the prototype commencal supreme Razz tup
  • 1 0
 Im just saying it looks exactly like the Giant Glory with an ABP Rear end.
  • 1 0
 check out the pivot at the chain stay near the drop out: that's an FSR. for trek, the ABP's pivot is actually on the drop out itself that's why its almost invisible to the naked eye and that's what makes norco different from a trek. the ABP is almost similar to dave weagle's split pivot being used on devinci frames with slight differences.
  • 1 0
 wow, this norco actually looks surprisingly alright
  • 1 0
 holy shit dude thats so sick
  • 1 0
 WHEN CAN I BUY IT????!!??!!?
  • 1 0
 I'm likin this
  • 1 0
 Worco. That is all.
  • 1 1
 YEAH ! tottaly want to get this in 2012
  • 1 0
 sweet tube shape design.
  • 1 0
 Looks pretty cool
  • 1 0
 Looks like a sweet rig. I ride a Trek 88 and have had nothing but trouble with the frame (dents and holes) and warranty. If I could offer one thing is stay away from the square tubing on the down tube, nothing but a catch all for damage. Cant wait to see the final model.
  • 1 0
 I like that new frame.
  • 1 0
 mint
  • 1 0
 leegaatt!!!
  • 1 3
 Can't believe how much that Trek Glory looks like a Kona Supreme DH... Why can't bike manufacturers make anything original anymore like my Ellsworth?!?
  • 1 0
 so nice! I want one!
  • 1 1
 no chain guide ?
  • 3 0
 Reading the comments has made me really sad for the state of our youth. It seems we have an illiterate generation with no ability to process anything more complex than a text message. Have you guys noticed that all of your video games are copies of Mario and Zelda? There is a push for lighter and lighter bikes, and all manufacturers are looking for the least amount of material to get the strength and geometry they need. This has resulted in very SIMILAR designs from the manufacturers. If we weren't worried about that last 1-2lbs we would have more metal styling. BTW, most riders will enjoy their bikes with a 65-66deg HA more than a 63-64. Pros need the stability, but most of us (99.999%) aren't going fast enough to benefit from the trade off in maneuverability.
  • 2 0
 whats this got to do with the bike not having a chain guide, go rant on some one else's comment
  • 1 1
 looks dece
  • 2 4
 Fork bumpers look shit and are shit. Put a 40 on it and they're in the wrong position.
  • 1 3
 funny how all the companies are copying kona's original rocker pivot design now.. correct me if im wrong.
  • 1 0
 ummmnnn, No... Norco has never used the same linkage design as Kona except on 20" and 24" kids bikes... FSR vs Faux-Bar
  • 1 0
 my bad.
  • 1 4
 Presentation of an incomplete bike is unprofessional (lack of chain guides), frame is very nice is impressive
  • 2 0
 if you look at the bike at 2min and 19sec you can see what looks like a low profile top of the chain guide. and you can see an even better view from the back of the sprocket at 2min and 35sec. But in picture 2 i agree it looks like nothing is there. also when he is showing why we do not feel the "bang" with the suspension. when the bike is compressed you can see the guide.
  • 2 0
 That's an E-13 freechucker guide. There is no bottom jockey wheel. Nothing missing from that bike
  • 1 0
 Thats what im talking about haha Thank you familyman
  • 1 0
 Yes, I disagree also, Gora. Regardless if the guide is there or not (it is there), this time of year gets very competitive with new designs. It's important to get the seed planted now. Most of us don't need to see the guide to get that this bike is a big leap forward for Norco. Well done guys.
  • 2 5
 Hey its a giant with a new paint job!
  • 2 0
 you didnt watch the video did you?
  • 2 8
flag nouser (Feb 11, 2011 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 Um yes i did....apparently you didn't. It is tenths of millimeters different. He even said the difference is in the details. The bike is EXTREMELY similar to the giant. Everyone is getting butthurt over it, its not a bad thing, it just is similar.
  • 5 0
 the Giant Glory uses a "VPP" type suspension system that they call "maestro" which is a floating shock system. the norco does NOT. wanna try again?
  • 1 3
 Actually you're right. I compared it to the wrong bike. Still im not a fan. I was not a fan of their old rigs either but i had respect because they were at least unique looking. Here, not so much
  • 1 1
 Luckily mtbrider71 is totally unique...oh wait..no you aren't.
  • 2 2
 So relevant...wait no it isn't
  • 1 4
 Way to copy the Giant Glory, norco.
  • 8 0
 Read article, look at photos closely, comment last. In that order, or don't comment at all.
  • 2 0
 haha mike just owned you.
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