Video: Are Sedona Trails Really That Dangerous?

Oct 26, 2023 at 9:55
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 According to Darren Berrecloth, exposure is not a big deal. About the same level of difficulty as a flat green trail in your local neighbourhood. Perfectly manicured jumps and landings are much more dangerous.
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 Made my Saturday. Thank you.
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flag scott-townes (Oct 28, 2023 at 8:05) (Below Threshold)
 Quote please?

I never thought this site would be invaded by a bunch of ignorant clowns ripping on the Claw, one of the most experienced and talented big mountain riders ever. What a world we live in.
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 @scott-townes: Lol, like a moth to the flame.
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 you're a clown
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 @scott-townes: the arch troll looks in a mirror and starts fight with himself.
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flag coloradohaze (Oct 28, 2023 at 9:47) (Below Threshold)
 Ever since Berecloth began speaking out about politics I placed him in the washed-up catetegory. He also has a pretty strong lisp.
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 @rick33 seems to me this quote from Darren kind of contradicts what you’re just sort of making up. “that little skipper onto the battleship was in the forest without any cliffs beside it, it would just be not a really nice jump or a little gap at all. The landing was like 8 inches tall, and it immediately went uphill. And that was due to the fact that the ridge was so skinny, and just how the actual feature was naturally, you couldn't really make it any better.

So the actual feature itself was not that hard to ride. But at the end of the day, if you screwed up and all it got bounced off on either side, the consequences were so severe. So, us judges, we talked about it in great depth, like, "how do we judge this?" Because you really don't have that tough of a feature, but the fact that there's so much exposure makes it insanely scary. And you really can't take away anything from the athletes if they're putting themselves at so much exposure. So we had to judge that quite high, and Brendog really was rewarded for that, as one of the gnarliest features for exposure on the entire mountain.”
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flag 14pslope (Oct 28, 2023 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 @coloradohaze: you're a low life nobody
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flag coloradohaze (Oct 28, 2023 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
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flag Chonky13 (Oct 28, 2023 at 13:36) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah, those didn't look double black to me either.
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 @coloradohaze: his lisp is definitely a serious problem. I mean how can he shred!?

Naaaah, it’s just you.
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 You are an idiot. That is not what claw said or even remotely insinuated. This is embarrassing to the sport that people actually think like this.
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flag Mtn-Goat-13 FL (Oct 28, 2023 at 17:14) (Below Threshold)
 @scott-townes: Oh it's you again. Drink enough vinegar today - yr spewing maggot-talk on the threads again. Spare us yr black hate filled commentary and speak when you have something legit, adult & actually poignant to say. Your negative bile is easily the worst troll & orc spew I've seen anywhere - esp for something as fun & happy as bike. Who hurt you ???
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 @Superboost: yeah he says that, but then you realize Brendan didn't actually get scored very high for that, so the claw is kind of contradicting himself.
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 @Gristle: that’ll happen I suppose.
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 You got way more upvotes than down.....so I guess it's just me, but not sure I get what you are trying to say and would appreciate it if you'd help an old man off the sidewalk here.
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 @mi-bike: I've seen / read it - what's the joke that I am missing that the vast majority of people seem to get based on upvotes?

He was saying very much the opposite:

"That was very technical, and once again, we rewarded him quite very high on his exposure level and his line choice"

"Because you really don't have that tough of a feature, but the fact that there's so much exposure makes it insanely scary. And you really can't take away anything from the athletes if they're putting themselves at so much exposure"

Ironically funny? Many of the people upvoting not understanding? Me being a dumbass and missing something?
  • 5 0
 @RadBartTaylor: you are not a dumbass. You sound like a reasonable person with a functioning brain. PB comments are more suitable for wild speculation, loose conjecture, and heated, poorly crafted opinions. Reasonable people don’t stand a chance here.
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 @RadBartTaylor: Darren said those things as explanation/damage control, but they didn't actually reward him, and Brendog didn't make the podium. Hence the general sarcasm around exposure not mattering... cause, hey "just don't mess up and it's fine".
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 @ultimatist: then why did @mi-bike suggest for me to watch/read Darren's response to help me understand? @rick33 said "According to", which usually suggests "comments directly from", which leads one to believe it should be based on his follow up statement not the score since the score was a panel of people and would not be "According to" a single person.....

I'm usually pretty sharp when it comes to ironic humor or reading between the lines....losing my touch I guess.
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 @RadBartTaylor: I suggested to watch Darren's video AND read the comment section below. The comments show that most Pinkers, who had formed their opinion of some people being scored too high and others too low, would not be swayed by whatever DB would say.

By the way, DB did not say what rick33 writes (in fact, the opposite). Welcome to the pinkernet!
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 @Superboost: I took something completely out of context and made a joke. Some thought it was funny and some others did not. You did not find it funny that Pinkbike posted an article with a title like this so soon after the Claw's article? With Rampage being so fresh in people's minds? More of a dig at Pinkbike than the Claw.
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 @rick33: honestly, I think Claws response was a bit lame, and I actually could care less about the results in the least bit. I did however feel the need to defend the Claw a little bit as he seemed to put out a statement that didn’t line up with what you were saying. If you were trolling and showing the absurdity of it all then whatever makes you happy as I’m guilty of similar behaviour from time time. That said, I feel like there was a lot of bandwagon jumping on the hate fest for the judges and felt like chiming in to defend them a little. On the other side, these judges and the organizers have brought this on themselves with a lack of clarity when it comes to the point system, so it’s their own fault at the end of the day. Also, could Gully have been any more awkward?
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 @rick33: I still don't get it - wish I did
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 What were they thinking? They could've ended up in the hogspital.
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 Underrated comment. Nice dad joke lol
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 @JebusBikes: yeah not sure why people are downvoting.
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 Amazing, take my upvote.
  • 26 1
 Somebody call a hambulance!
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 @Douglas4130: some people are just pignorant
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 @Douglas4130: They weren't people. It was a bunch of sheep that voted the comment under the threshold initially.
  • 41 3
 Wow - the no water scene was heartbreaking, If only someone could invent a way to carry more water on a bike.... like maybe a backpack... with some sort of bladder system in it that could hold 2 liters or so...... Maybe it could even have some space for some tools and a little food! One can only dream....
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flag islandforlife (Oct 28, 2023 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 Well, it only happened because they got lost and ended up riding far father and longer than they expected.
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 Yep. I ditched the backpack a couple years ago for local rides. But if I’m in Moab on the Whole Enchilada, I’m back with the Camelbak, carrying at least two liters of water (which is barely enough), a bar, tools, and puncture stuff. Gotta be prepared in a harsh environment.
  • 40 4
 Whenever a clickbait video title is a question, you can be sure the answer is no.
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 Except if you watch the video, the answer is yes.
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 It's as if YouTubers are imagining below average Walmart shoppers when considering their audience
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 @islandforlife: Except if you actually ride there, the answer is no.
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 Not just clickbait videos, but all headlines.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
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 This video is definitely one of the worst click-baits I've ever wasted my time watching.
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 Yeah that was painful intro. Had to turn it off
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 This video, and all videos from influencer/YouTubers promoting Sedona and Moab are important. It makes people think these towns are worth planning a month long road trip for and eases congestion on the zones I actually want to ride.
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 Thank you. I didn't watch it as 'if you can't trust a stranger you met on the internet, who can you trust?'
  • 28 1
 Tons of people have ripped through a white line.
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 It's also Grand Master Flash's favourite trail.
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 @iamamodel: Oldest person the rip it!
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 @iamamodel: Thank you for this.
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 @Chuckolicious: Mah pleasure.
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 White Line isn’t a trail, it’s a feature, a stunt, at Chicken Point. Some of the more exposed trails in Sedona like Hangover, Hogs, Legendary… aren’t nearly exposed as they’re made out to be. Nothing like Blue Dot, Portal or even LPS in Moab. White Line is terrifying, but again it’s not a trail or a part of any other trail.
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 I would rather ride portal over the hangover any day. Portal’s exposure is intense but at most points you’d have to roll six feet off the trail before you fell to your death. Hangover seemed at the edge more often.
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flag Mtbdialed (Oct 28, 2023 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 those Moab trails aren't difficult or dangerous by any means, other than the 1-2 parts of Portal you should walk because of the 1/1000 times you don't clear it, you die. lol. that isn't dangerous, its just a trail with consequences not worthy of the risk or enjoyment of riding something difficult.

both sedona and moab are wildly overrated if you like actual steep, demanding tech.
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 @Mtbdialed: not aware of anyone ever proposing or claiming Moab was ever "steep" to begin with. They are just a very unique trail system in Uta/Arizona Nobody goes to either of those places for "steep". They go for the unique vibe those two areas have. Strange comment
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flag Mtbdialed (Oct 28, 2023 at 8:49) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: lol. sorry for highlighting the issues I have with a place, potentially saving someone a trip if they didn't know that Sedona and Moab are actually just XC loops in the desert, and giving my opinion as such on a comment section! so strange....
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 I’d say hangover is more exposed than Gold Bar (blue dot lines)/Portal. But none of the famous exposed desert trails are super exposed.

And yeah, white line is a novelty line.
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 @Mtbdialed: I mean, not super sexy as Apex/Enchanted. Isn't Whistler even jealous of those trails? lol
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 @Mtbdialed: thank you. If I ever return to Moab, I won’t bring a bike.
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 @owl-X: I go to moab with my moto.....
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 @bman33: agreed. The geology and the setting are very unique.

We also go for the trail density and variety
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flag Chonky13 (Oct 28, 2023 at 13:33) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtbdialed: The ride that made me change all priorities has some steep tech. You wouldn't like it though. It's kinda like Ore Chute at Blackhawk trails in CO. Also Hell canyon is very technical. We just don't advertise the crazy stuff to keep gapers away.
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 @Chonky13: you literally just did
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 @wyorider: Not exposed? I had a dude dive off the crux on Portal right in front of me. I'm betting he found the 400 foot fall more than adequate.
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 @wyorider: Hangover has trees and stuff to grab on to if you do go in. Gold Bar does not. And I think Portal is probably the undisputed heavyweight in Exposure. Jacksons is super gnarly too, and the Palisade Plunge… way more exposed with sheer heights than anything in Sedona.
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 @Chonky13: Great thing about Hells is the approach is so gnarly it keeps everyone away. Thanks for advertising, though.
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 @Chonky13: ore chute is exactly my speed ride at atleast weekly
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 @danger13: the crux has a sign for a reason. Low difficulty, low commitment, very high consequence. But-it is low difficulty and low commitment (you can dab out anytime). So you have to really go for it and be off line to come off.
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 @sonoranmtb: Gold Bar always allows riders to keep a little further in, but the OG blue dot line puts you *right* on the edge hitting drops and power up moves. Upper Portal only has a few moments of commitment, and it’s possible to bail or dab out on all of them.

Hangover has trees etc. but also requires constant engaged riding, and has more places where the trail narrows enough that a dab is tricky, if possible. I’d also say the descent OFF Hangover is the high consequence section. Still sections of serious exposure, with gravity pulling you down.
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 @Mtbdialed: Nice! That one has some good pucker-factor. They did a good job building it.
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 @wyorider: gravity is ALWAYS pulling you down. lmao.....even on flats and uphills! Gravity is a motherf*cker like that!
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 @blinglespeed: I don’t know about that. Been riding Sedona for years. Portal is something else with exposure.
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 @Mtbdialed: “XC loops in the desert” absolutely nailed it.

Sedona sucks. And the MTB community there has gotten worse and worse. People will stop and dick around in the middle of trails OR JUMP lines, then get mad at you for not announcing your presence with a megaphone.

Sedona trails are 100% XC loops.
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 XC loops if you like very technical XC, although I've met folks who took their XC bikes to Sedona and were pretty disapointed with the choice. Not that it can't be done, plenty do, but its just gnarly enough to require tough tires and slack angles.

There isn't much elevation change so there aren't many long downhills.

As a former east coaster, Sedona requires all of those chunky rock riding skills, with a dose of bravery for some of the exposure. The hardest trails at Rothrock, Michaux or Moraine are like blues in Sedona (although most rocks are not covered in slimy film like in PA.)

Sedona has gotten so overwhelmed with hikers, bikers, vortex seekers, and SxS that I feel like Moab is a better winter destination for strictly riding trip, but 100% worth it if your in Phoenix or Flagstaff to mix it up.
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 @sonoranmtb: Rode the Plunge 2 weeks ago for the first time ever and found it to be way more spicy than Portal or anything else I've ridden in Moab/ Sedona/ desert southwest in general. I think the roughest part was just the duration of exposure. There was a lot of extended survival riding, and the fact that it's all kitty litter gravel with short slopes before the death drop had me pretty shook.
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 This video sounds like a Dora the explorer episode lol dial back the cringe
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 Could have been a good video. I'll never know because I couldn't make it through the first 20 seconds without throwing up in my mouth. Keep the clickbait shit for youtube
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 White line looks basically pointless, almost no fun and high danger. I might be wrong
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 Low difficulty high consequence. Kind of a novelty feature. Some fun, but a one and done line.
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 Like riding a skinny over a canyon. Not for me thanks, but respect to those who can.
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 One and done for me. Wasn't really scary, except for the fact that I decided to do it with frost on the rocks (the exposed portion was just wet, no ice).

Sure it looked cool to the spectators
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 Former Sedona local here...Sedona Mountain Bike Academy does coaching clinics and private lessons on all of these trails. If you're feeling like checking off these trails in a safe and appropriate manner with a local certified coach, check them out: www.sedonamountainbikeacademy.com/sedona-mountain-bike-clinics

And if you're feeling super ambitious...here's the "Triple H" loop that checks off Hangover, Hogs, and Hiline (technically it will also take you right past The White Line too but I certainly don't recommend it).
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 I’d rather take a dance aerobics class.
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 Triple h is my go to combo for riding sedona (British, but work for a company that ships me out to Phoenix pretty frequently). The specs dont look too tough but it's a massive day out
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 Only bummer doing triple H is that then you’ve ridden the only trails worth hitting in one day. I like Hogs and Highline one day, 2 laps of Hangover second day. And then up to Flag.
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 @Tigergoosebumps: lack of fitness or fear??? It’s a great loop!!
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 So, as someone who basically lives local, here's the scoop if you've never ridden here. It is absolutely harder to ride the 3 H's than it looks on camera. Yeah, if you're in the top 10% of riders you'll ride everything no problem. But if not, probably not so much. The GoPro effect definitely makes these trails look way flatter than they actually are. As far as exposure goes, other than the White Line and a couple of spots on Hiline/Hangover, it's really not that bad. I mean sure, you may do a couple of summersaults thru some cactus on the way down. You may get hurt. But you probably won't die. And as far as White Line goes, it's exactly as everyone says. Risk versus reward is just not worth it. And be prepared that they call them "Sedona miles" for a reason. It's so up and down that 6 miles feels more like 10.
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 And 1000 ft of elevation feels like 2000
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 H Trails are super fun, White Line is an alt feature not a trail. If you run out of skills on a hard blue trail, sure Sedona will pucker you up (and you’ll walk your bike).

As with any extensive trail network, the bummer in Sedona is that there are only a few true advanced trails. But most other places with some gnar (Moab, Vegas, Maryland Mountain, Jackson) are the same way. So I’d say Sedona is worth ticking off the list for an expert rider, but maybe just one or two trips.
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 Yes, if you haven’t ridden a Moab line or have no fear. They are techie and “why did you make a trail here” lines.
Fun, Fun, Fun
Lived in Flag for 2 years, I would ride down through the canyon on the road and ride the back way home.
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 No shoulder in the canyon. Super sketchy dude. Death mission.
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 Triple h ride is best way to do it. Highline, hog back, hangover, if I remember correctly, finish up by taking a selfie at the giant tacky bronze eagle on 89a.
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 No is the awnser. 50% of the time the trails in sedona are so overwhelmed with hikers that you won't even get the chance to fall of your bike
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 Not so much on H Trails. If you’re on more intermediate stuff, yeah you’ll be dodging gapers and hikers all day. Makes a trail like Mezcal (blue but fun) a bummer to ride.
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 @wyorider: I've never heard the phrase h trails before, I like it. Last time I rode hangover I had a group of hikers almost send me into the abyss, so I think I'm holding a grudge. Nether the less no better place to be in Feb if you need to run away from snow.
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 Go when it’s like 60 degrees in the morning and 90s mid day. I went in the last week of July and started around HiLine then to pyramid then over to thunder mountain/tea cup/grand central. I think I saw like 4 hikers in 25 miles. And motels were $80.
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 It’s blown up and
Blown out.
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 January and February is great there. Otherwise too busy
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 @wolftwenty1: It is where I do the bulk of my winter riding. Except when they get a little snow. Then heading south is the only option. But yeah, Sedona is definitely ridable for like 95% of the winter usually.
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 so glad I got to ride in Sedona before the influencer shitshow days
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 @andy-legrunge....'90 -'96 were my stomping ground years in Sedona and again '15 - '17. Simon hadn't discovered the White Line yet in the early 90's but we still rode some real shit back then..... and it's only gotten easier now with the tech improvement.
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 @sloguy: Simon B the one to first ride white line?
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 @GnarAZ: some might debate that it was Chewy.... but most will say Simon, yes.
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 @andy-legrunge As someone who lives in the area, I'll put it like this. It's nice that Sedona has gotten recognition in the mountain bike world. It has lead to having more riding options, as well as more difficult trails that are legal now. And I definitely appreciate that. But the blown out trails when it's been dry for weeks n weeks, the people in the way constantly on trails and the lack of adequate parking, not so much.
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 True dat!
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 Everyone complaining about how cheesy this was missed the part where it was supposed to be satirical… it’s ifth lol
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 IMO they aren't as dangerous as North Shore. Sedona is very technical and there are some jagged rocks but it's not all that steep because you're all along the mesas. Yes, there are some steep and wild sections but overall I think it's less demanding and less scary than the huge rock rolls and drops that are common on the North Shore. That being said... just don't do the White Line in Sedona.
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 when i rode at Sedona it was a bit like back in the day when we made all kinds of stunts out of 2x4s and 4x4 boards and had these gnarly bouts of balancing. It's fun for what it is but not what I'd like to spend all my riding doing.
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 Even the snakes don’t look dangerous.
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 Without the exposure, the trails don't look that hard. However, heavy consequences for making a mistake though. So, I'll pass.
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 That was a sick run on White Line! Do you have a Strava link to it? I’m just curious what your time was.
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 I ride flats on the H's. Prace of mind.
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 Don't talk to me about trails if you have batteries on your bike. Thanks.
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 But, but Seth did White Line
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 Everyone has done the White Line.
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 @stevemokan: I'm doiung ah whte line as I type thish
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 People also ride like idiots on motos in traffic, claiming skills keeps them alive. Or that one more bump of white lightning won't give them a heart attack. Or "surely this stripper surely doesn't have any STDs." Or "this hot sauce won't hurt THAT much later."

We all take our risks and walk away from others.
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 So this is what the youth of today are entertained by............sigh.
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 @tuskenraider thank god for metal Mondays and Moi Moi
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 Enjoyed highline and hangover, the rest was meh
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 Beautiful land put there. That's what adds to the fun!
  • 2 1
 Go ride casner canyon . It’s a local favorite
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 Well this White Line goes a long way.
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 I just prefer to mountain bike on dirt....
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 White lines are risky, kids...
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 So, flats or clipless?
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 you can just tell from the crappy title that this video is straight booty water. Wont even watch it but already know
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 Fun video! Thanks!
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