Morpheus Cycles' DJ Prototype - First Look

May 10, 2011 at 9:47
by Mike Levy  

The prototype Morpheus looks nothing like the current crop of small tubed, steel hardtail frames that are commonplace at most dirt jump spots and comps. Keep an open mind and look beyond popular frame fashion and you may see a fresh design that can brag about an extremely short rear end and astonishing top tube clearance.


Morpheus Cycles in NYC is embracing the concept of creating bikes that further the capabilities of the person riding that bike. It a bold statement, but it is hard to criticize when you take a close look at their new DJ Prototype. With chainstay options ranging from 14.5 to 16 inches the frame can be tricked on the dirt jumps or raced competitively on a slalom course. According to Morpheus, the prototype shows class leading potential in areas such as reduced weight, lateral stiffness, top tube clearance and of course, chainstay length. The new Morpheus at first glance, appears to be a trials frame reworked by aliens and then sent back to earth. Let's take a closer look into the concept, meet the designers behind it, and the riders who are helping bring it to life.

Action sports are evolving so fast that in practically every sport from snowboarding to gymnastics people are doing more spins and flips than the year before. Michael Schwartz (owner/founder) of Morpheus Cycles started to study the tuck in various action sports and created an unorthodox approach to jump bike design. The concept was to developed a 26 inch frame that was as compact as most 24 inch dirt jump frames. The geometry requested by the factory riders created major challenges, but Mike and Chief Engineer James Trimble took the geometry requests and shattered them. On the way toward beating every single spec request of the team, Mike and James created some very interesting proprietary features as well.


The bike's designer, James Trimble, set out to create a 26-inch-wheeled frame that is as tightly packaged as a 24-inch dirt jumper.


James Trimble, Chief Engineer of Morpheus Cycles, has little to prove at this point is his career, yet his innovation still impacts the industry. James is arguably the first person to ever create a bike frame out of carbon fiber. In addition, his Trimble racing frames have been banned from the UCI for being too aerodynamic. Turning yet another page, James and Morpheus collaborated to create another ground breaking platform with several proprietary features. The simplicity of the rear dropout designed by James, currently nick named "Telescopic Rear Dropout," provides a wheelbase range between 40.5 and 42 inches. The extended dropout also creates a cantilever effect that is claimed to provide a reduction of harshness upon impact. Morpheus has asked us not to disclose some of the minor details relating to the construction of the dropout system, but promises to provide full details prior to the bike's release in December. Other proprietary features designed by James exist in details of the bottom bracket and hollow, CNC-machined reinforcements welded to the bottom bracket shell. James claims that the production version of this frame will be more laterally stiff than any of its competitors.


The Morpheus chassis has an extraordinarily short rear end.


Of course a prototype is meant for testing – Morpheus created three identical proto’s and got them out to several pro-riders and everyday dirt jumpers putting them through the works – pump track manuals to 360 double whips in competition. All the feedback has gone into several changes as they get ready to create the second prototype – a sketch of which you can seen below. Some of the specs and changes from the first to the second proto are: The top tube length increased to 22.2 inches – the top tube angle has also become slightly less drastic – all making for a more comfortable feel in the cockpit. The wheelbase has been lengthened by 1 inch making it adjustable from 41.5 to 43 inches - this will help to increase high-speed stability and slalom racing precision. The head angle has been slackened by half of a degree ensuring the bike is gravity friendly at 68* even. Morpheus also shortened the chainstay to be adjustable from 14.3 – 15.8 inches. The second proto will accommodate all 2.5’’ tires, rather than a 2.35’’.


The second generation of the Morpheus Cycles prototype features a number of geometry changes.


As far as some of the concerns Morpheus has gotten from people on the sturdiness of their Telescopic Rear Dropout design – Morpheus’ technology is holding up. Rather than just an attached weld on the TRD, they now have a CNC piece that is welded across the entire distance above the dropout. This not only increases strength, but also increases torsional rigidity by at least 40%. As far as the adjustable piece itself, they use a very unique hard-coat aluminum,


A clever arrangement of machined pieces and tubing allows the rear wheel to be tucked in extremely close to the bottom bracket shell.
Sliding, adjustable dropouts have been around for a long time, but Morpheus Cycles takes it to the extreme with their Telescopic Rear Dropout that allows the rear end to dirt jump friendly at just 14.5 inches, or set up for racing at a full extension of 16 inches.


After his big win over the weekend at Jamie Goldman's comp we caught up with Morpheus Factory rider Mitch Chubey and he told us the following about the prototype:
bigquotesIt's rolling everything so smooth and because it's such a short and light bike it's easier to spin than any bike I have ridden. It was so sketchy three weeks ago when I got it and then after a couple rides I was able to adjusted to it. It was a more dramatic evolution from our current steel jumper than I had prepared for. Now that I'm adjusted to it, it is completely blowing my mind. It's 23.6 pounds right now with dirt on her and I'm not even sure that should be competition legal.



Morpheus Cycles' Mitch Chubey spinning his way towards winning the Upside Down and Underground contest on his prototype. Photo by Justin Olsen


Stay tuned for more details of the "Name the Morpheus Dirt Jumper Contest" in June. The winner will receive serial number 00001 off the line, custom hard coat anodized with color options FREE. Check out the Morpheus website for more information.


Pinkbike's take: There is no denying that the prototype Morpheus is vastly different from what is popular right now, that being simple looking, steel framed dirt jump bikes. But it looks to offer a shorter rear end than you'll find on the majority of other frames, more stand-over clearance and it has the potential to be lighter as well. Mitch seems to be getting on with it quite well, as he proved by taking the win at Goldman's Upside Down and Underground contest recently, but I suspect that some less open-minded riders will be more set on how the prototype frame looks instead of any advantages it can offer.


Let's hear what you think of Morpheus Cycles' prototype DJ frame - are you a fan of Morpheus' boundary pushing dirt jump frame?


333 Comments

  • 314 53
 I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but.... DAMN!!! That thing is the ugliest bike I've seen in a long time
  • 88 13
 Bet it rides awesome though
  • 101 9
 I have to agree, I can't comment on how it rides but it might be the ugliest DJ bike I've seen in years. Perhaps even worse then the Acid, which I'm sure we can all agree was just disgusting.
  • 30 3
 Yea I spewed a little bit
  • 46 4
 Gotta agree, that bike is definitely not porn...
  • 21 2
 it's certainly new i'll give it that.
  • 38 0
 Looks like a mutant hybrid cross between a Trials bike and a Plastic Banana . I'd ride one though........but only if I wore a ski mask with it.
  • 13 4
 i rode the prototype and it rides absoultly amayzing the best bike ive ever pumped and jupmed, you can get soo low to the ground on it and throw it around so easy
  • 13 1
 I have my doubts on the rear wheel clearence. it seems to small
  • 83 7
 am I the only one that kinda wants this bike?
  • 3 2
 it looks pretty burly to me....
  • 9 1
 It looks like a bent BMX modded to take 26" wheels, but that is one hell of a short rear end!
  • 17 1
 its got a top like the new jackal, the middle of the acid, and the rear end of god knows what.. but i think that this thing would rip. im going with asteezc1
  • 10 4
 the engineering is there but at the price of design
  • 10 5
 That is one fugly motherf...
  • 17 1
 UGLIER THAN CINDERELLA'S SISTERS! function over form though.
  • 12 1
 just don't buckle the back wheel....
  • 11 3
 I like it! I'm sure it does the job... but I wouldn't trust the drop out set up... looks a little too breakable and potentially flexy.
  • 11 1
 If youthink thats ugly, try looking at a Gary Fisher PHD!
  • 24 1
 Fisher PHD

haha Gordon2345 that is a monstrosity on wheels
  • 15 8
 You guys are crazy this bike looks wicked man! I would love to ride this little dirt devil! RidEOn!
  • 8 2
 i dont think it looks that ugly...its not the cleanest looking bike, it looks a bit unrealistic...but its not too bad i think ?
freerider020 its really mean to compare it to the Acid, the Acid is an actual disaster, nearly as bad as the Gary Fisher XD gordon2456. greenwood102 thanks for the link i couldnt bther to google it. had never seen this...thing? befor.
"Frame
PHD Oversized ZR9000 and 6061 aluminum" oversized ? YA THINK ?
  • 2 2
 Looks... ok... but i'm sure it will be great Smile Look
to seeing how they progress!
  • 5 2
 Ya i think it looks sick.
  • 9 2
 i didnt find it ugly.....
  • 4 2
 I dont find it ugly either, I just wanted to point out that there are worse looking bikes out there. With that said, I have ridden a PHD and as ugly as they are, they are an awesome ride! I am sure this will ride even better!
  • 5 6
 it may be a bit ugly, but is there really any rear wheel strength. the reason the rear triangles are larger and extend to the drop out is to take the forces of hard hits, but from the looks of this, it will take one case or flat landing and then snap.
  • 2 1
 i thought it looked pretty nice, pretty sure strenght aint a problem as they would of thought of that already considering its the first thing that coems in mind. nevertheless the new frame design could be the norm in say 5 years time if its proven to be benificial.
  • 1 2
 ^^ armchair engineer bathman, not interested
I think the acid looks way better than this! My mate used to have one. It's not photogenic but its nice in real life
  • 5 1
 Love this bike! Love the looks, how it'd ride, the weight, the angles, everything. Looks great, sounds even better. Wouldn't mind riding one. Props to morpheus for NOT going with the trend-cycle and creating something new that just plain WORKS.
  • 1 1
 +those welds on the bb look like whipped cream
  • 2 0
 i might be wrong but... it looks weak
  • 1 0
 that thing looks like and gorilla took a shit then stepped in it
  • 1 0
 it looks like a trials bike mixed with a santa cruz
  • 1 0
 lol I used to have a gary fisher PhD
  • 1 0
 so muh torsional flex im feelin :/
  • 5 13
flag doublerr (May 13, 2011 at 17:27) (Below Threshold)
 ''The bike's designer, James Trimble, set out to create a 26-inch-wheeled frame that is as tightly packaged as a 24-inch dirt jumper.''

why not just get a 24" ?
  • 4 2
 A pretty bike doesn't help you ride better.
  • 4 1
 yeah ... its ugly and looks breakable VERY breakable dont know wtf they were thinking on that rear dropout im all for interesting and innovative things and it probly rides amazingly but come on that p o s is fugly as hell
  • 2 2
 That is a phenomenal design advancement. I want one Smile
  • 2 0
 reminds me of the crakanfails from 15-20 years ago.
  • 1 0
 just the idea of how awesome the Geo would feel makes that bike fucking beautiful
  • 1 0
 that is one hell of a short back end holy crap.. looks pretty interesting, I thought it was a trials frame when I first saw chubey talking about it in a video from sea otter 2011, pretty sweet though
  • 2 0
 chazdog ur right who's comment is below looks mean nothing the reason they want such a short wheel base was for tricks it would make 360's much easier allowing easier flow and better flow when combining tricks and. so why so many haters once u learn a thing or two about geo and get some real biking sence then you can talk
  • 1 0
 my giant acid rode well. but short but rode damn well.
  • 1 0
 it's like Marmite, you either love it or hate it! Wink
  • 1 0
 what is with the rubber on his BB ?
  • 1 0
 yeah was just thinking the same thing sean-dh, anyone know??
  • 2 0
 I agree with medanic, this thing is gonna be sooooooooooo easy to spin haha
  • 5 0
 i asked that and Mitch kindly said that it's to stop the cranks spinning in mid-air
  • 1 0
 sean-dh its a crankstopper for tailwhips and tailwhip variations. In the article they stated the back end was designed to flex. I wouldnt worry about strength, as long as the junction between the dropout and the triangle is good it will survive fine.
  • 3 1
 i hope these things dont take off, even if they do make a huge advancement to the sport, even if they are as strong as they say they are, purely because they are fucking ugly. id rather ride a shopping bike
  • 2 0
 yeah what are you guys talking about i think this frame is beautiful id buy it in a heart beat if it rode as well as they say it does. open your eyes to something new
  • 1 0
 Yes its BEAUTIFUL but just not the rear end where the axel is not where the chain stay and seat stay meet.
  • 3 0
 It would look better in a cherry red or bright gold maybe matte black
  • 1 0
 yeh true bbeaudoin, this colour is kinda vomit friendly another bangin colour would make it look better. except for the dropouts they look scary.
  • 2 0
 also, as far as strength goes, if mitch chubey thinks its fine im sure youll survive
  • 1 0
 www.transitionbikes.com/NotBikes.cfm Second one in is the crank stopper. much more high tech, but same idea. keeps the cranks from moving on you in the air
  • 1 0
 Yes this design has been developped by engineers, yes the bike can handle a pro rider, but will it be durable? yes in theory this is strong enough but the dropout is one of the most beaten up part of a frame, it must take almost all the impact of the landing, these pros almost always land their jumps perfectly and anyway they change bike every months or so... but think about it, a "regular" rider who tries new tricks, who case the landing time to time and who wanna keep his frame for a long time cuz its f*ckin expensive, will this dropout last long or will it start to bend, loose up, crack, etc. and piss his rider up? Its just my opinion
  • 1 0
 PitBull, Just to be that guy.... that wasnt an opinion it was a question....
  • 1 0
 its a questopinion Razz
  • 1 0
 I bet someone on 24s or 22s could run this for trials. lolollool
  • 1 0
 it already rides like a 24" dude. the HT is closer to a BMX. but totally trial-able. In fact, I have trials-ridden the demo w/ the propedal stiffened up
  • 57 5
 Sorry but all the pinkbike 'I can tell how strong things are from a picture' Engineers, need to stup the hell up. This guys an accomplished engineer, and he's going through proper testing under pro riders that go bigger than you can dream off. He will not release a product that wont work. This kind of hating is what slows the industry down, its why disc brakes and suspension took ages to catch on in the beginning, why we only just have carbon dh bikes, when people tried making them ten years ago. Open your eyes, embrace possibilities and dont shut things down out of ignorance. PO
  • 7 13
flag bikebreaker (May 13, 2011 at 2:56) (Below Threshold)
 I thought carbon fatigued quickly?
When I went to buy some carbon DH bars last year I was told that its advised that you replace them yearly due to fatigue.
I didnt buy them in the end, but I dont know how true that is....
  • 8 1
 People have bee running easton carbon bars for years with no issues, and some people have snapped some. It depends, if your a crasher, carbon bars arent great for you. All things break eventually, kinda irrelevant...
  • 2 3
 yeah bikebreaker your right
but as chazdog said it will take a while to break (generally)

but the health and safety crew dont want you chasing them when it does break at 13 months or whatever

it will also depend on the type of riding
as i recall, carbon absorbs impacts and can eventually just have too much force built up in it and then shatter

very rare stuff like that happens though
  • 7 1
 actually carbon doesn't fatigue. if you kept exerting a force on it that was within its safe limit, over and over again, it would last years. it fails when this force is over the safe limit or things like chips and scratches create weak points. aluminium does fatigue! you need to start checking for cracks at about the 5 year mark
  • 1 3
 carbon absorbs impacts and can eventually just have too much force built up in it and then shatter
  • 2 0
 The only way i can interpret "force build up" is by the term fatique, which was already explained in the post above yours. If you are talking about plastic deformation, every material is weakened after confronting one. If you could better explain yourself using physics terms, go ahead.
  • 1 0
 Carbon doesnt absorb impacts. If it's laid correctly so it can not fail in a long string (sorry dont know the eng. term) it shouldnt even fail like people remember from the old days.
  • 1 0
 Just whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
  • 1 1
 yes, so carbon absorbs impacts by slight plastic deformation

then too much and it shatters

spaced, you talking about how the carbon is weaved?
  • 3 0
 Plastic deformation means PERMANENT damage. No bicycle material should absorb normal impacts that way.
  • 4 0
 another issue is the types of forces on carbon. the forces acted on a dh frame are insanely different from those on a set of bars. carbon is an amazing material for frames. I personally wouldnt use it as a dh bar because its not a great use structurally for carbon and the possibility of it snapping from grit on the stem face or simple failure leads to some gnarly crashes. Even the square edge of a stem itslef can cause it
  • 1 1
 Well he could at least design something that doesn't make you gag at the sight of too.
  • 2 0
 cyfa - yup I forgot that word. If the wave and resin is correct (ie easton cnt bar) they will not fail catashrophicly how most people think about carbon.
  • 3 0
 rypurn chill out i think it looks ill. be open to something new and ride it before you bitch about its looks
  • 2 0
 Carbon only sucks if it has air in-between the layers or if you hit it against something and t get a hole in it otherwise it's amazing lighter and stronger than steel!
  • 1 0
 some great points raised Smile
  • 1 0
 All I'm sayin is that i wouldn't buy it, no matter how good it rides.
  • 3 0
 and all im sayin is youre being narrow minded and need to stop being a trend whore and see the other aspects of it
  • 2 0
 colin - did you not realise pinkbike is trend whore central?!
  • 1 0
 a picture tells a lot. the long moment arm on the rear dropout will stress where it mounts to the frame much more than a regular dropout. why react a large torque when tubes are most efficiently used in compression and tension? I'm sure it is strong enough, but it could be made stronger or lighter by using a proper rear triangle. also fatigue life will be reduced
  • 11 1
 I think the front triangle is the the sweetest I have ever seen, it just blown my belief, that everything has been said in DJ frame design department. Transfer seatstay to top tube is ozom! Low profile, smooth lines and transitions - from "designerish" point of veiw it's a masterpiece. It looks like BMX and MTB spawned a wonder child, taking only the best bits of both, and afterwards it was taken care of by some finest car design studio from Italy. I'm speechless. The idea how to make a super short chainstay is awesome too, if it allows for replaceable 24 or 26 wheel it's just damn sweet.

Though I'm more than sceptical about these dropouts as the force leverage is so long. Withstanding slamming it to the hard dj trails or concrete pavements might be tricky.

Anyways great design, fresh yet still simple
  • 8 2
 Yep there is no way the back end is gonna stand up to heavy or over rotated landings like a regular triangle will , plus they could of achieved the same length chain stays witha normal rear triangle by just putting the brake mount under the chain stay. Gimmick
  • 4 1
 My thoughts exactly...just looking at those dropouts made me think "damn, that's a long lever..."
  • 9 1
 If you take a minute to actually think and aren't a total retard, you will see that the rear of the frame is very strong.

The 4 bolts aren't doing a whole lot of "holding it together".
The bolts are simply holding the hardware together.
The solid dropouts slide into I-beam style chainstays. This takes care of forces from hard hits.
It is like a telescoping rod.
For example: take a camera tripod...
Slide one of the legs half way out then clamp it back down. Let's say the extended length is 3ft.
The rod inside of the other makes it stronger. You could take this 3ft section of leg and try to bend it, it would be way more difficult to bend it than a 3 ft section of straight pipe the same length.

The chainstays are square and wrap around the bottom bracket (really stiff)

If you exert force sideways, it isn't like you are putting a lot of pressure on the bolts.
The opposing chainstay is keeping the dropout firmly in place.

All of this boxed together with a 12mm axle is plenty strong enough. You would be more likely to pacman/fold rims or break pedals before the strength of this rear end would be a problem.

Good work James and Mike
  • 3 1
 I agree with you that the rear is probably strong enough. However, in no way can it compare to strenght to weight ratio of that of a "normal" frame rear end design. Your comparison with the camera leg is true, but again, not according to the previously mentioned ratio. You could make a frame much stronger by adding lots of metal to its tubes, but that would make it heavy as.
  • 2 1
 Ya dam is right .The further you stick the rear wheel out on that cantilever the more it will multiply the force of an impact into the stays . It could be strong enough but doesn't seem worth the extra weight and time/cost to build. I could see this being one of those things that dumb techy nerds have to have . I think ill stick with the normal design that makes sense.
  • 1 0
 exactly.. why react a large moment from the when tubes are most efficiently used in compression and tension? It doesnt make any sense from an engineering standpoint
  • 7 0
 I don't know why everyone is so upset at how the bike looks. I like to ride my bikes but maybe I'm crazy. If that thing shreds, then why the f*** wouldn't you like it?
  • 1 0
 totally agree
  • 7 2
 Looks a bit diferent at 1st but I bet it rides realy well, 1 thing if you got a realy short back end then add a long drop out won't it ride like any other bike with a long back end ???
  • 11 5
 i love the front end but back end looks dodgy, that dropout arrangement just doesnt look strong
  • 3 2
 and also imagine getting something stuck in the tiny space between the wheel and the bb...ouch
  • 3 1
 Well the chainstay lenght isnt really extremely short, since most street, and even dirt frames nowadays features as short as possible ones. As for the bike, it might work just fine, however, i fail to see how it can so super stiff with that dropout mechanism.
  • 1 1
 the 12mm drop out is probably helping a huge amount Wink
  • 2 0
 The diameter of the axle doesnt increase the lateral stiffness of the frame. Torsional, maybe, but not lateral.
  • 3 0
 Im reading these comments on the bike and the aticle itself without seeing the actual product, (using a schools computer with IE6 or some shitty browser), and i must say, i cannot wait to see whats happening with this frame once i get home.
  • 3 0
 lmfao at all the people saying "frame looks weak", or what ever im not trying to hate on anyone but come on (the pictures prove nothing), you have never rode it and for the people who have rode it, it seems to be holding up fine for them so don't go saying it will break until you ride one and break it yourself. I also think it looks dope, its a new design so let it have a chance before you go on dissing it.
  • 1 1
 looks so nice. probly preforms bad
  • 1 0
 a picture tells a lot. the cantilever dropout will stress where it mounts to the frame much more than a regular dropout. why react a large moment when tubes are most efficiently used in compression and tension? as a mechanical engineer I dont see any engineering advantage to this design, seems like they made it worse just to be different
  • 6 1
 Holy shit, the back end on that thing is almost as short as a dobermann! And only looks twice as torsionally flexy!
  • 2 0
 Oh come on. almost one inch is quite much indeed. Dob 26": Chainstay length : 15'' (381 mm) on 26's, and this is 14.5" in proto part and they still could shave some.
  • 2 0
 14.68" for a dobermann at its shortest with a 26" wheel.
  • 1 0
 So how you figure 14.68" is shorter than 14.3"/14.5"?
  • 2 0
 magic numbers. Or opposite Saturday. Whichever answer will put you in a better mood.
  • 1 0
 dobermann's dead so it doesnt matter
  • 1 0
 not even close!
  • 3 1
 i can see the engineering behind it and what they have achieved is just amazing it maybe ugly to some but to break away from the current crop and push the boundaries of what's possible or impossible you have to give them props.i for 1 like it and to be honest how rarely do you look at the mantel piece when stoking the fire i think its awesome function over style
  • 3 1
 U should get used to the frame shape, or even more radical, because its the future of DJ bikes. Just like in trials bikes, it must be practical, not good looking. I am surprised why it took so long for the manufacturers to get the idea. Bravo Morpheus.
  • 2 0
 I am just going to assume that all of you people that think it is "weak" are total mental retards who have downs syndrome. Spinplay01 has it right, try bending that chainstay. it is almost half an inch thick and at least 1.5 inches tall. with two of those going into SOLID ALUMINUM I BEAMS that is definatley laterally stiff. and if you think that you can jump high enough or land harder than a pro, you are wrong. the 1.5 inches of i would guess steel are not going to torsionally break or flex at all. the four bolts are simply for tensioning the chain. i think that they did an awesome job and you retards are just biased and conforming to the regular style. if all the people in the bike industry were like you idiots, we would still be riding fully rigid stumpjumpers.
  • 2 1
 ilja and jamie-meaden just show how unordinary this frame/bike is and because there is nothing like it ,opinions differ extremely, which i beleive is a greatt thing for the sport. we may be seeing more bikes with this kind of frame if the feedback is like that above and thats only for the first proto i wonder what the feedback will be like for the second and even the finished product!!! cant wait!
  • 2 1
 i think its going to be a mixed review, the frame looks nice, but guys, really, your riding a 26" bike not a 24" so a tiny frame like that looks stupid, make it a bit bigger.
now my most concerning thought, the dropouts, regardless of how strong they are, something like that isnt going to last riding big jumps andf slopestyle... and it looks crap. also why would you want to race 4x on your dj bike ?
  • 1 0
 The dj bike is taking on some more bmx characteristics. Same short end, just with 26in wheels. Why wouldn't it whip and tuck better? I'm neither against it nor for it but I can see the advantages. Take a look at Chubey throwing a 360 double whip. vimeo.com/23089408
  • 4 2
 looks like they borrowed the dropouts off an old cannondale many of them are still around so no, its not a new thing people need to do their research before they start disliking something baaa
  • 2 1
 Seriously guys? Open your eyes! It's people like you that make MTB development so slow! Have your opinions on the look,but I'm pretty sure 99% aren't professional frame designers.don't judge a book by it's cover. Maybe something radical and new like this is what it takes to progress mountain biking,I think this design is very promising.keep in mind that's also the 1st Prototype,their has been another,and we will probably see a third. Many proto dj frames look like the inside of your Bowles after eating taco bell. Give it some time.this will be a standard frame designs in a few years I'm betting. All I know is I'm getting one ASAP. Think what you want,but make sure you know what your talking about first, cheers.
  • 1 0
 The rear end just looks so much shorter because the main rear triangle is so small but it has that big ugly extension coming off the end. Doesn't seem like it would be that stiff with the extra pieces being bolted on instead of a solid frame all the way back to the axle.
  • 2 0
 do want... *drool*. I don't understand what all you guys are on about. It doesn't look that bad, and it looks like it rides fantastically. The chainstay adjustment looks nice, too.
  • 1 0
 I respect the design, but the shear forces that are imparted to just four dropout bolts are too large to ignore. And being laterally stiff is something that I really couldnt see. I would have to ride the proto to get a good opinion of it
  • 1 0
 When I saw the first picture i loved the way it looked (except for the colour, but maybe that is just me).
The dropouts are something new and maybe weird for some , but if they work as they should, I say why not...respect for the engineer/designer of the frame.
The only question i have is: since the clearance between the rear wheel and the frame is so small...wouldn't that limit your tire choice?
Anyway looking forward to seeing this frame in shops.
Good luck in the future!
  • 1 0
 I guess the comment about their bike being more laterally stiff than the competition applies to Specialized's bikes too. Does it? If so indicate explicitly your bloody guarantee on your website. It is all to easy to throw powder in my eyes. In addition the front of your DJ bike looks really nice, love the color, but the back is truly unnecessary. Is it not?
  • 1 0
 Applaud innovation, but are we solving a non-problem here? Why the need to have dropouts that flip-flop for DJ and slalom/4x? Not like you're going to run a single speed competitively on the slalom course or flip-flop your dropouts and remove your 9sp drivetrain for the day on the DJ course? Just curious.
  • 1 0
 i duno, i thought the idea of the seat stays running down to the rear axle was to create strength. there's going to be a lof of un nessesary loading onto the welds and metalwork at the bottom of the rear triangle. i think there'll be quite a few folk who need replacement dropout sections after a while running this frame. looks funky tho
  • 1 1
 engeneering 101, "T R I A N G L E". the rear end is going to suffer un nessesary forces. the concept of an adjustable rear dropout would work just as well in a design that encomplaces itself within the structual lines of the rear triangle. as most manufacturers do.
  • 1 0
 i dont how that real axel and drop-outs, i saw a kid doin double flip whips like it was nothing, looked unreal, at 24 pounds i would not be complaining. i am rocking a 2008 rocky mountain flow DJ SE it is still bomb proof to this day!
  • 1 0
 stupid rear dropout design... the rear tubes are used most effectively when put as close to a pure compression and tension scenario as possible. why in the hell would an "engineer" offset the rear wheel so much that there is a large moment which has to be reacted by the frame. There is absolutely no reason for this and I dont see what they are trying to do with the short rear triangle... effective CS length does not change just because the triangle is smaller
  • 1 0
 I'd like to see FEA on the frame, especially rear dropout area. There is a good reason why 99% of bike frames have a rear triangle where the tubes go from nodes on the chassis straight to the rear axle, not 5 in. in front of it. Way to take a steaming shit on the learning's of structural engineering Morpheus... please don't get into architecture or bridge design
  • 6 2
 That is the ugliest bike ever
  • 4 4
 i like it, but itss ugly at the same time regardless prtotype or not - the welds look shoddy - the back extender thing seems like it will break with a heavy slam i like the frame concept though the shape will be better for throwing your leg over the top tube, i think they just need to go back and redesign the extendable dropout
  • 7 0
 So you must be a fully qualified welder before you can tell how good the welds are, being a welder myself those welds look fine visually to me. Maybe you could describe what makes you think they look shoddy i.e any defects you've spotted. Also the extending dropout should be plenty strong, I guess the dropouts on my session 10 should snap too if that's the case? It's not the most beautiful bike in all aspects but you can't make a valid point on strength just by looking at a few pictures, anyway the dropouts must be at least 25mm in height which is reasonably chunky.
  • 1 2
 I'm a welder also (certified in stick but have done some TIG) and while they appear to be strong, they aren't the prettiest i've seen. it almost looks like they were welded too cold plus it seems that some beads overlap in a kinda ugly way ( referring to the picture of the BB) buuuut its a prototype so not a big deal, the welds are plenty strong but could be cleaned up a little.
  • 1 3
 im saying this at the angle of ive watched my uncle weld cars as he works for chartwell motors (he works onferrarisand other top range sports cars)
and yeah i was regarding the size and overlapping beading

and yes agreed it is a prototype so yanno probly a lot more well rounded further on
  • 3 0
 Every welder is different. There's no undercut, every weld (thats seen) is tied in. So shoddy welds may not be the proper description. Maybe not the absolute prettiest is more adequate?
  • 1 1
 thats what i ment, just couldnt get the words down
  • 3 0
 I'll probably warm up to it but i still can't stand DJ bikes with atlases or any other nearly flat DH bar
  • 1 0
 so its different, dont know if i like it or not though. maybe if they cleaned it and didnt put scratched up components on it for the photoshoot iwould like it. its definately different..
  • 1 1
 nice front end and stand over height but that rear end doesn't look like it could take much abuse. putting a cantilever force as they say into those poorish looking ally welds, looks ripe for a cracking that rear end. and they say extraordinary short rear end ?? iv got a last rufus frame with 14.6 inch chain stays , nothing new to me. must say looks nice and light though,
  • 1 1
 I really like this frame. I would recommend a BB30 bottom bracket or american with BB30 adapter. My recent experience with BB30 has sold me on the concept. The functionality og the frame design is amazing. I am sure the dropouts will be cleaned up for production.

So many kids posting "looks like a copy of...." with familiar frame designs, but....

"Its too different. I just puked...." with innovation.

Sigh!!!!.........
  • 1 0
 yeah actually i don't like the look of the bike, but the idea of the changing of the geometry is very good!!
but the question is if you really need such possibilities to change the geometry?
  • 1 0
 Im new to the DJ segment 'have a TralKing myself' but something tells me there are going to be a lot of frame failures right at that first weld on the rear triangle where the drop outs would normally be.
  • 2 0
 Looks like shit, probably weak as hell, solution to a nonexistent problem, much better solutions around, blah blah blah. It's all been said already.
  • 2 0
 Formula stickers Juicy brake well formula DID make all the juicy brakes because avid couldnt at the time LOLZ so i guess it works for the sponsor in a way hey
  • 1 0
 I could live with it if they did something about those sliding dropouts... im sure they work very well and riders will love them for their functionality etc but aesthetically its no better than afterbirth
  • 1 0
 I know its function over form,but that is 1 of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen! Can't stand seeing flat dh bars on hardtails either. 'KacuxD' summed it up in 4 words.lol. This looks like shit!!!
  • 1 0
 The rear drop outs remind me of the old Cannondales, with the cantilever beam look. Remember what happened to all those drop outs? Hence the name Crack-n-fail. I'm not a fan. The front triangle looks pretty rad though.
  • 1 1
 I guess its a hate-it or love-it sort of deal. I am not a big fan of the dropouts, as they seem..... I guess against the rules of phsyics..something sticking out so far, and so long, seems like a weak point (I would imagine the first part breaking, if anything were to break that is....). I DO admire the top tube clearance, and I like keeping an open mind, so I think this could be something cool!

I would love to try one out, even just a manual in a parking lot or something, just to see how it feels Smile
  • 1 0
 if you put tires on it that were any nobbyer the rear wheel would probably not spin... but other than that i think the geometry of the frame is sick and it would really fun to ride!
  • 1 1
 That is the ugliest frame i have ever seen,i bet i would ride great. they did so much work to have short chainstays by bending the seatube like that,those dropouts don't seen to strong to me but i guess if Chubey shreds it like he does than they must be.
  • 1 0
 I have rode the bike on more then one occasion and it rides like a dream, its light as can be and is just as stiff as my jackal. the geo is great. Its worth giving it a shot before just saying its ugly and isnt strong
  • 1 0
 wonder what the price point for a frame will be, the tubing reminds me of brodie hard tail free ride bikes mixed with a trials bike, interesting.
  • 1 0
 It looks fantastic. It's by thinking outside of the box that you create great products. Copying what has already been done only gets you so far.
  • 2 0
 im not an engineer or anything but i feel like the back wheel would snap off the frame it were hit too hard
  • 3 1
 i really fucking hope this look doesnt take off, its absoulutely disgusting. its the susan boyle of frames.
  • 1 0
 I've ridden this bike! And trust me, Mike and James have done an awesome thing here! Say what you want about it's appearance, this thing rides so sick!
  • 1 0
 i think that it looks okay not the "cleanest" looking frame i would prefer something simpiler. but it looks like it rides great and i would love to try one out XD
  • 1 0
 cant say it looks too nice tbh, and the geo looks horrible, it looks more like a trials sort of frame, but thats just my opinion
  • 1 0
 after seeing the rear end I just can`t help asking....isn`t there any rider weight limit? the rear end doesn`t really look bombproof
  • 1 0
 all that thing needs is a flashy paintjob and some sick components and it will look sav. looks like a cross between a jackal and a p2 with a week ass chasis lol.
  • 1 0
 This bike is well made, but ill conceived. The same functions could easily be achieved with less weight if the seatstays went way closer to the axle. I wouldn't buy it.
  • 2 0
 I really love the look of this it looks so nice.... you can all neg prop me if you want Smile
  • 1 0
 *hi5* ;D
  • 2 0
 Nice Components only, That is yet another "FUGLY BIKE"...Neg props here we come..
  • 2 0
 Every so often something new and different comes along to progress our sport.....here it is!
  • 1 0
 the optical illusion from not having the seatstay meet the rear hub makes the rear wheel look mutant huge, cool idea, but ugly.
  • 1 0
 I really do not like how the frame looks. I like the idea of a really short back end, but the frame looks so bad. I'm good with my thin tubed steel frame.
  • 3 0
 maby im crazy but I dont find this ugly at all... I want one.
  • 1 0
 stop hating on the bike ?
its got a sick look and its diffrent
and you guys havent even rode the god dam thing
god forbid if a dj frame was actually diffrent >.
  • 1 0
 nope. nasty. does not appeal to me at all, but then again neither do a lot of other bikes. id have a shot to see how it rides but i would never have one.
  • 1 0
 I think it looks a little... odd, but lots of new technology looks a little odd at first. Wait and see what the industry does, if it really works, you'll see more like it.
  • 1 0
 I really am a fan of these, people have there own opinions and so do I. It's different not just the same old dirt jump bike, and that's why I like it.
  • 1 0
 That bike looks sick, and if I have the money I'll totally buy it. Stop being narrow minded people, as others have said those dropouts may become the norm pretty soon
  • 4 1
 this bike is sick!
  • 5 3
 good idea for the dropouts..its unique
  • 4 6
 they are just gonna snap!!!
  • 3 0
 doubt it
  • 1 1
 Reminds me of a mod trials frame; really like the colour though. Can someone tell me what the little bit sticking out on the side of the head tube is?
  • 1 0
 It's a housing/hydraulic line tab, so you can use a zip-tie to secure it to your frame.
  • 1 1
 Ahh! Brake being run down the other side confused me for a second! Cheers!
  • 2 0
 good bye chain tensioners, hello Morpheus.. wow
  • 2 0
 frame tensioners... the way of the future?
Or were you referring to sliding dropouts. Which are... somehow new?
  • 2 1
 That drop out system looks weak as fuck. I think its looks sick....purely becuase its totally different!
  • 3 1
 I think it's super dope, nice setup too, whats the wheel set?
  • 1 0
 Industry nine
  • 3 1
 Handmade here in Asheville, NC and some of the best wheels on the market. Industrynine.net
  • 4 2
 I think I just threw up a little!!
  • 2 0
 Such a nice looking frame
  • 2 0
 stunning D: almost as beatifull as my mother
  • 4 1
 Well, I love it!
  • 2 2
 i would NOT trust in that frame... look at the dropouts... wtf is that????????????? they should name it "morpheus snap my dropouts" xD
  • 2 0
 I like it. Reminds me of a slimmed down 08 Jackal.
  • 3 1
 i like it very,but i think bike is nicer with another colorSmile _
  • 1 0
 I like it and I'm gona buy one as soon as there realesed, as long as they do a few color options
  • 1 0
 I can't decide whether it's the ugliest thing i've seen in ages, or really cool looking...
  • 2 1
 that frame is gonna have so many complaints about the rear wheel falling off!!!
  • 2 0
 kinda nicew shitty rear end though
  • 3 0
 looks vile !
  • 2 0
 that thing has been hit with the ugly stick!
  • 1 1
 not gunna lie, it looks pretty sweet, low standover, short chainstays, light. The dropouts are new, no need for chain tugs or tensioners. sweet Big Grin
  • 2 0
 it kinda looks like something my dog would regurgitate.
  • 1 0
 Personally I think it looks pretty cool! Though Working to get such a low frame, the seat should be able go lower too!
  • 1 0
 future of dirt jumping my arse (in future they should design a bike that doesn't look this horrid)
  • 2 0
 thats dope i like it so damn much yah boy get sum
  • 1 0
 I love that its so slim!!! must be so easy to flip!! have got to have me one of those just to try!!
  • 1 3
 dammmm that is thee grossest bike I have ever seen. I mean it may be a little bit better than something else but is it going to make your tricks better?? I doubt it! Gross gross gross. i feel like they could have used the same geo in a more pleasing bike to the eye. cause I hate to say it but people do buy based on looks, and i feel like alotta people will not even look at this bicycle
  • 2 0
 even more people dont, and dont buy a frame that 'looks nice' so they can pose and pretend they can ride
  • 1 0
 I saw Chubey on that at Post office and thought it was the sickest dj frame i had ever seen, soo sickk
  • 1 0
 I really like the look of the bike and it looks like you can have a lot of fun with this thing
  • 1 0
 front end looks amazing! but the back end is bloody ugly! keep the front end change the back and we're on to a winner
  • 1 0
 That looks strangely awesome, and I'm sure it looks better in person. Pimpin'
  • 1 0
 it looks more like it should be a 24" not a 26"
shorten the dropouts and i'm sure i'd be sweet!
  • 3 0
 ugly bike
  • 1 0
 the drop outs i just don't know about. I think they will break, snap or bend.
  • 1 0
 I take that bike I talked to someone who.seen it in person at post office. I trust this person and they say those drop outs are stiff as hell and this thing is solid. Looks bitchin if nothing else.
  • 2 0
 the fork is the only good looking thing on that dj
  • 1 0
 some how, i have my doubts on the drop out thingy. too cantilevered for my taste
  • 1 0
 its nice i think bikes the stand out are the one you want to buy , any one know now much this cost! Razz
  • 1 0
 i don't think ist ugly! the drop out things are a bit weird but further i like it
  • 3 2
 such a low standover... pretty sick lookin too
  • 22 0
 Seems incredbly ugly to me, however performance benefits do outway looks EVERY SINGLE TIME.
  • 13 1
 assuming they are actually there in the first place.
  • 8 0
 I agree bmxican, hideous to look at. But maybe it's performance will superb. I'm not at all a fan of that dropout system. Simplicity rules for me, especially for a DJ.
  • 1 0
 Next up, carbon dirt jumper! Seems like it would be a huge advantage with whipping around a lightweight bike when doing tricks.
  • 1 0
 I think it looks good to be honest, and really like how they manipulated the steel, thought it was an aluminium frame before i read this article. The rear end im not a fan about because of the way pressure would be placed on the drop out and therefore resulting in the frame bending at that top point of where the drop out inserts into of the frame. Unless they totally have it figured out, until it hits production i guess one will find out. Nice build too!
  • 1 0
 ummm... dude, it's alu. Look at the welds. If that's steel I'll eat my shirt.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I have my self a little cunfused on that note because I read this on a little iPod, and it was implied that it was steel so I suspected it was, believe me I looked into the welding a bit more after I wrote that and then realized that it's aluminum because of the size of the welds and realized that i couldn't change what I wrote, so that's my mistake boys.
  • 1 0
 Im getting it
  • 1 0
 Very sexxy, the only thing I don't agree with is the cantilever drop-outs(there's a reason cannondale stopped using that set-up... it's not very strong)... Other than that, looks great!
  • 1 0
 I don't think it's ugly, it kinda looks like a trials bike, you know? But bigger.
  • 1 1
 Interesting design, almost looks like a mod trials frame made to fit 26in wheels...
  • 10 10
 Your dropouts are 5" long, and your frame looks like puke.


Your argument is invalid.
  • 3 1
 unreal cool)
  • 2 1
 trials bike and dirt jumper,...i like it...sell me one now...
  • 4 3
 Bad design, it would have lots of flex and eventually break.
  • 2 2
 Props for trying something different, but Damn, thats not pleasing to the eyes lol
  • 1 0
 what the hell is the angle of the cross bar
  • 2 1
 dont like the drop outs though kinda sketchy
  • 2 0
 the frame is to compact
  • 2 0
 I like the fork
  • 1 0
 Honestly I don't know what to think
  • 1 0
 I was just sick in my mouth
  • 1 0
 i love it. when are they sposed to be available???
  • 2 0
 hopefully 6-8 months!
  • 1 0
 thats gross and the dropouts look like shit
  • 1 0
 they should rename it the ''subo''
  • 2 0
 thanks mitch!
  • 1 0
 to be honest i kind of like the looks of the bike....
  • 1 0
 Me too
  • 1 0
 If anything that thing looks excellent for trials
  • 1 0
 what's that thing on the non-drive side crank?
  • 1 0
 It is so the cranks dont spin when your feet are off
  • 1 1
 ahh clever
  • 2 0
 looks nimble
  • 1 1
 that could make some awesome 26inch street trial frame, with a few geo changes.
  • 1 0
 I think it looks pretty sick
  • 1 0
 i dont think anny bike (exept trials) needs sooooo much standover
  • 1 0
 Did anyone else notice the chips on the bike?
  • 1 0
 yeah that kind of weld and adaptor look so tin
  • 1 0
 thats the ugliest bike ive ever seen...
  • 1 0
 Looks like you could loose your nuttsack to the rear wheel pretty easily!
  • 1 0
 Those dropouts look like a warranty nightmare.
  • 2 1
 one word...horrible,it look worst than my ass.
  • 1 0
 That. Is. Insane. WAY too TIGHT.
  • 1 0
 coolest geometry gotta be a nice ride.......!!!!!!!!!1
  • 1 0
 Seatstays reaching further back would make it look less melted.
  • 1 0
 Looks so nimble and trick-able, holy guacamole.
  • 1 0
 that could also be used as a trials bike
  • 1 0
 I find it hard to believe, 200+ comments for this bike...
  • 1 0
 hah nice idea and looks good : )
  • 2 1
 what the hell lets go crazy it looks very ugly..........
  • 1 2
 That thing is and looks like a piece....a shitty looking bike out of New York who would of thunk, thats never happened(i'm lookin' at you bmw) hahahaha!
  • 1 0
 order me a super cycle instead bahahaha
  • 1 0
 whats with the rubber stuff around the bb and crank??
  • 1 0
 Keeps the cranks from spinning when doing no-footed tricks
  • 1 0
 The word fugly was made for exactly this reason.
  • 1 0
 don't know how i feel about those drop outs
  • 1 0
 it looks crap, but i can imagine it rides pretty sick
  • 1 0
 personally i love how that looks.
  • 1 0
 sexy bike, I'd have no qualms riding one
  • 1 0
 When's this gonna be available? I kinda want one
  • 1 0
 dude that thing is sweet. i want it
  • 1 0
 not to sure if i like the geometry
  • 1 0
 Needs a name and release date ! I want it now Big Grin
  • 1 0
 lol this is back when maxxis made 26ers for non dj bikes
  • 3 2
 ULGY !!!!
  • 3 1
 ya NASTE TO THE MAX
  • 1 1
 it looks so olike my old onza t-pro frmae
  • 1 1
 gimme 2 minutes and id snap the back wheel off that thang
  • 1 1
 if this isnt the nicest clean looking frame i dont know what is
  • 2 1
 QUE verga tan fea !!!!!!
  • 1 1
 i saw this bike at sea otter it was awesome
  • 1 1
 fit a skinnier seat and i think it might look hot...
  • 1 1
 had a great day with the proto today thanks morpheus.!!!
  • 1 0
 such a nice bike
  • 1 0
 i want it now
  • 5 8
 even tho im so far down o one will ever read it i feel so strongly about this frame im gonna say it anyway. fuckkk that is ugly
  • 2 2
 sorry didn't mean to neg prop you.
  • 2 3
 wow that looks terrible Frown
  • 2 2
 i like it.
  • 3 5
 my lousy jumping skills(i am a master in case study) would break that frame! Kind cool though.
  • 1 2
 f*cking sweet! you can change dropouts and ride even with 29"s?
  • 3 4
 Thats so ugly, but at the same time SO sick?!
  • 2 2
 Sweet ride!
  • 2 2
 super dope!
  • 3 4
 beautifull beutifull omg more beutifull
  • 1 1
 Hmmmm... I dunno.
  • 2 2
 i like it
  • 2 2
 SICK!!
  • 1 2
 this bike is awesome Smile people thinking other wise have to be retarded
  • 1 4
 Love it, or hate it. Those chainstays are fucking done in a week.
  • 1 3
 And it's ugly as fuck.
  • 13 1
 Ive had 5 weeks and I probably ride it a lot harder than you and they are holding up just fine.
  • 2 6
flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 You ride it alot hard than me because I wouldn't even touch that thing with a ten foot pole. You have no idea how hard I ride, so let's not go there. I could break them in three days, I garuntee it. Not because I am hack, but because they are just plates of aluminum that are held on by a couple allen-bolts can, and will break. Simplicity is key, this bike, is not simple. All that needs to be said.
  • 14 2
 You do realise you're talking to Mitch Chubey, as in the guy who's bike this is. A fully sponsored rider who helped develop the bike, dare say he has slightly more knowledge of the dropout system than you do. Strange design, really different but it kinda works for me, the dropouts could be tidied up a bit and maybe a bit higher tob tube or lower seat and I'd say it looked sick, front end is already there. Good to see some innovation though, not just following the standard dirt jump frame design.
  • 2 3
 You do realize that Mitch Chubey, a fully sponsored rider, is not going to say something derogative about his sponsors bike, do you not ? I'm also a sponsored rider, I know how shit goes down.

What I'm saying is that the dropouts are just not what 80% of people want. There's too much that can go wrong with them.

I know it's different but it doesn't seem beneficial to me at all. What if it breaks ? Then you're fram becomes useless, where as you probably wouldn't have a broken dropout with a conventional system.
  • 4 0
 How about Ill leave you my bike in Vernon when I come up for goat style or maybe you prefer to meet in Kelowna earlier, and you can call me 3 days later when you snapped it.
  • 1 4
 Go right ahead.

And you can garuntee me they 100% will not bend/break by me riding as hard as I can.

I find that hokey.
  • 3 1
 are you going to break it on you're BMX track? hahaha
  • 5 1
 What I find "hokey" is that your slamming his bike saying you "wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole", and it's "ugly as f*ck", but your criticizing the strength of it. You've never even seen this bike I bet, never mind rode one. You looked at a couple pictures and came to your conclusion? Great. You do not know what your talking about. I'm sure there's research gone into this bike/chain stays before they put a professional rider on it. Maybe you should win a contest and 360 double whip your bike before you beak pictures of Chubey's. Props to Morpheus for trying something different.
  • 2 4
 kawasaki- I do it all, Dj, Race, Park, Dh. If they were to beef the dropouts up, I would trust it. I wouldn't trust that thing. That's all I'm really saying, so calm the fuck down. I know how I ride, and I'm saying that I would most likely break the drop outs. God you kids are moody. I am entitled to my own opinion, I'm also not scared to speak it.
  • 3 0
 I see you stir the pot every where you go! HAHA. Just bustin...
  • 2 2
 You should know me by now Razz
  • 1 4
 Also, here's what mitch said in the interview " It was so sketchy three weeks ago when I got it "

Yet he tells me he's had it five weeks. Yeah, okay.
  • 5 0
 Bike feels great that is that
  • 1 0
 BMXerch - you should know that articles on PB don't get published as soon as they are submitted. It's quite possible the article has sat on the shelf for 2+weeks.
  • 5 0
 hey bmxerch you are a serious d-bag. you go off on how hard you ride then get mad when everyone points out that you are talking to a contest winner that rode the bike to victory. Get over yourself. I get free stuff too so am I a "sponsored" rider? does my opinion count now? Im over 200lbs and I guess I ride "hard" but I would trust it. its called flow ya douche, get some. , grow up, its a bike thats funky and you can rip it all the way to the top of the podium. and who the hell is breaking their bikes in a week? you need to learn how to ride. and you can tell me how awesome you are and everything, I dont care, stay focused on your ride, and dont ride out of your ability level and maybe you wont wreck and break your shit in a week. dumbass.
  • 2 0
 that being said. the bike is sweet looking. great job, can't wait to see the production models, NY baby!
  • 1 1
 It does not matter who you are talking to. If someone is sponsored, of course they aren't going to say derogative things about their sponsors bike, just like I'm not going to say anything bad about my sponsors bikes and components, een though many people will. Riding outside of where your ability level only makes you better. If you say that you can't be serious. Again, I know how I ride, and it's definitely not hack. I honestly don't care who says what, I wouldnt trust it. If they were thicker, I would.
  • 5 8
 This looks like shit!!!
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