Hope have been making brakes and hubs for nearly twenty years now. At first they began expanding their line slowly, adding an item here and there, building up to a more and more complete range as they went. Recently their rate of development seems to have gone through the roof and we counted no less than seven new products on display from them at Core Bike (and one rather special team-issue bike)...
All-new Hope Rims
Three New Stems
Narrow/wide Chainring
Wide-range Cassette Convertor
Revised Bottom Brackets
Team-Issue DH Race Bike
Purple...
www.hopetech,com
I'd prefer to see them concentrate on what they're good at, and in areas where there aren't already a few market leaders. So rather than design and outsource the manufacturing of rims (I'm quite happy with DT Swiss, Mavic, Syncros, Stans thanks) they could make something that people have wanted for years, cranksets. I have 2 pairs of RF Atlas chainsets, but I'm British, so I'd rather buy Hope than RF, although I do love things made in Canada !
In my view, the most impressive thing about Hope is the fact they make full brakesets. Apart from Shimano, I can't think of another company who makes bike parts and also happens to make world-leading brakes. I can't imagine how hard it would be for a company to decide to launch their own brakesets - Hope got their first and got it right first time, so for that reason they're my no.1 make !
www.pinkbike.com/photo/8707406
Avid's brakes are actually manufactured by Tektro, but I know what you mean
Would be nice to see them develop their brakes more, and become market leader again, as it feels as though their current ranges a bit out of touch, and are essentially just Mono minis underneath the (sort of) new (tweaked) designs.
I'm also still f*cked off with them after putting out a design competition for their new team bike, rather than commissioning a proper graphic designer. From a premium UK manufacturer, with such a strong emphasis on beautiful engineering, it's somewhat of a kick in the teeth, to turn around and do that!
Hope have awesome customer service / back up
I've owned one of their lights for some years, its been back a few times with electrical issues and its always been sorted free of charge with no fuss
my last, very positive experience was for a very notched freehub body on my Pro III road rear hub
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10360053
they replaced the freehub body free of charge, again with no fuss.
I also have a pair of the original proII hubs that I got way back in 2003 , been through 5 Dh bikes ( 4 of which cracked ) and a hardtail , still on original bearings with only 2 times a year strip down and regrease , only thing that went wrong was the freehubs pawls gave up last year , which was also sorted fast.
ha ha, I wish!
Don't get me wrong, the quality and craftsmanship is very much still there, but in terms of innovation and engineering, I personally don't feel as though they've produced any genuinely new brakes in the past 10 years. They have altered some of the ergonomics of the levers, the callipers are slightly lighter etc, but it all looks the same as it always has, which is now outdated, bulky, and frankly overpriced for what is, in essence the same product they were producing 10 years ago.
Thanks for letting me know you are a moron, it means I do not need to waste any time on you.
The RS8 looks nice: www.middleburn.co.uk/cranks_rs8_x_type.php
The non drive-side pinch bolt looks interesting - similar to Shimano, but not fully split.
I'd not realised that Middleburn do hubs as well - they look nice...
Your unsubstantiated claims mean squat all. You are basing your argument on opinions and bias from your experience with their older brakes and the appearance of their new ones. Quit talking shit, go out and actually ride some of their new products and then come back to the table and continue arguing.
And finally- Formula, Reliable? Pah. We have a pile of knackered formula levers in the shop. Want a replacement that's anything older than current catalogue model? You have to wait 4-6 weeks to get one shipped from Italy only to find that halfway through production of that model they changed their tooling and measurements so you then have to wait another 4-6 weeks until they ship you another part that actually works. And what innovation are we talking about here? the innovation of horrible lever ergonomics? Or the innovation of extremely tight pad spacing meaning that your rotor rubs as soon as you go through a muddy puddle?
Shimano have a couple of innovations, yes. But nothing astounding. Ice-Tech is nice, but has little real world performance effect in the UK. Everything else is something other people are doing in their brakes. Ceramic pistons are used by Hope and have been for years, Servo wave can hardly be called an innovation seeing as 50% of the users don't even like it. What else are we talking about here? Magnesium lever bodies? Hayes did it ten years ago.
You have again proved that you know literally nothing about this matter and nothing about Hopes latest brakes.
are you serious. Have you used the 2014 formula brakes
m.pinkbike.com/news/Hope-Technology-Factory-Tour-Video.html
Renthal don't make their MTB bars (aluminium alloy or carbon fibre) in the UK, they are outsourced, their aluminium alloy MTB bar uses manufacturing technology that Renthal do not have in their UK factory
their braced Moto bars do not use the same tech as their MTB bars, and hence their braced Moto bars are still made in the UK
I am liking Hope because I have been riding and selling their products for years, but their product range expansion does lead to a fear, perhaps unfounded, that they will not retain their core strength of hubs, lights and brakes, and start to weaken their focus in an effort to expand the range
I also see this starting to happen with Thomson (my other favourite domestic manufacturer) who are now doing bars and even frames, when for years they only did stems and seatpost (their seatclamp was a shock to many of us who have been riding Thomson for years!)
its often said its better to a "master" of a trade, than a "jack" of all sorts
Marketing bullshit, every company which starts producing something in Asia uses the exactly same excuse...
And by the way, not all things made in the Far East sucks and you guys know that. A lot of good stuff come from Asia. So HTFU :p
So why don't they build another factory and give jobs to more British citizens?
"It also on average costs 3X more to produce something in the uk that taiwan etc"
I'm well aware of this, that's why I'm willing to pay 3X higher price for a product that says "Made in UK".
"I dont see people moaning at the likes of specialised producing everything from there"
I do, that's why I ride a Rocky Mountain that says "Handbuilt in Canada". With Hope brakes "Made in UK", Continental tires "Handmade in Germany", Thomson and Chris King parts "Made in USA", etc...
I know that most people don't care where was their bike made, but there should be some components on the market for those who do.
I am a big fan of Hope though, I have 5 of their hubs and I want to get me one of these rings. It looks a lot better than RF and e*13 to me!
As for Continental being made in Germany... I highly doubt they are. I could be wrong, maybe they have facilities there but I bet you 90% of their line is made in Asia or Brazil.
As for your argument that they made stuff better in Taiwan than in the rest of the world, then I could argue turning it around: if Taiwan is making well something, why can't the rest of the world do it as well as Taiwan ? Do they have special powers of some sort ?
You could make the exact same handlebars in Taiwan and in UK or anywhere else. You just need the machinery, and people to run them. Yes they already have the skilled manpower and the tools there, but nothing stops a company to invest to get them in the US, UK, France, ... Yes the machinery costs are massive, and at first it probably wouldn't make much profit, but it can be done.
Mavic still makes some pretty good rims at reasonnable prices, and they're made in France or Romania (last time I checked), Velocity ones are pretty good too (I've got a set of Blunt 35 rims, made in USA, 35mm at a reasonnable weight and reasonnable price (cheaper than Stan's Flow EX for example) )
As for Continental, cheaper models are made in Asia (I don't know where exactly), the top end models are made in Germany. The ones I ride (Rubber Queen 2.2 UST with Black Chili compound) were made in Germany and if I need to buy a new set, I'll buy them again.
Who makes the machines Spank use ?
I am just happy that there are so many companies out there from different countries that produce good solid stuff. If some companies want to outsource their manufacturing to someone else whom they think they can do a better job, then I just hope (no pun intended) that they'll oversee that their standards aren't compromised. Money can only go so far nowadays... and while we all wish we can support homegrown companies, as a consumer, I'd also like to stretch the dollar as far as I can!
Supporting "your people" is normal and natural, if my computer is broken and my neighbour can fix it, I also won't bring it to a company from another city.
When it comes to quality, whether you like it or not, many European companies still manufacture their high end products in Europe, even if a rich Chinese businessman buys a Mercedes S65 AMG, it will be sent to him from Germany. And similar strategies are used even within Asia, for example Nikon makes their cheaper cameras in China/Thailand/Indonesia/... while the best models are made in Japan.
But don't worry, the world is always changing, 2000 years ago Roman Empire was the civilised world and Germans were the wild barbarians, now Germany is the most developed country and Italians are seen as chaotic and unreliable.
@superdanu: Unfortunately the price would be a lot higher if manufactured here in the States. In Taiwan we can visit all our critical suppliers in a day and oversee our parts being made, in California we couldn't find anyone who could manufacture an upper tube (drawn from alloy tube, machined, honed, gun drill, polish, anodize) and I'm sure the cost would of be astronomical if we did find a local supplier. The same goes for our carbon fiber CTA, the seals, the stanchion tubes, the forged magnesium drop outs, etc. The center of bicycle parts manufacturing is in Taiwan, over the past 20+ years they have made themselves into the offering the highest quality centralized manufacturing environment for bicycles. The result is that todays riders are able to buy the most advanced bicycles ever developed and although some of the prices are seem high, the technology is worth the price. 20 years ago I paid $7,000 dollars for a hand made aluminum bike that was 34 pounds light, fully rigid, and sucked the chain into the chain stays ever shift cause the rear end was crooked.
If they are smart they'll sell the Chainring + sprocket for sub 100 eur and have a bargin for people who want to covert.
BTW that Demo is looking dope with all that hope!
but then you have a headset press aswell..........
Ideally, for climbing I'd like to go down to a 30 chainring. Unfortunately with a 11-42t cassette, I'd spin out massively with 30x11 on the way down. A 10-42t, or even better 9-42t cassette would work for me though. Unfortunately though, SRAM are a bunch of money grabbing c*nts and no X9 level 11speed groupset has been released yet. These hacks are good in the meantime, though I'm so annoyed buy SRAMs greed that I'm seriously going contemplating a lifetime boycott.
Hope
Shimano
Rockshox
Maxxis
& [Frame brand]
9-42T would be totally cool, but I guess they hit some technical issues, which is a real shame. I'd really like to an affordable alternative to XX1.
The pieces of the puzzle are coming together. Wide and Narrow chainrings. 42cog (a few ppl are doing this). Smaller cog would be great (Canfield bros have an expensive solution here too).
XX1/X01 out of my price range, and I'll never forgive SRAM for making it so. There's no reason why an X9 price point equivalent doesn't exist now. Greedy f*ckers. I'm serious, no more SRAM kit for me ever.
I'm currently running a raceface WN chainring, mtbtools 42t cog. It all works, but is still a bit of a hack. I'll buy a proper ramped 42T cog when they're available and not too expensive.
Seriously though. Now some turd is gonna say "I see what you did there"
The purple kit? Emerald green to match the DVO Emerald would be da bomb.
On another note, any word on if they'll do a direct mount NW chainring?
On a serious side: did I miss it, or does the Article fail to mention in which sizes these rims will come?
you mean a vice right?
just wrap something around to make it soft jaw
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hope-M4-Special-Edition-Red-Front-Mountain-bike-Disc-Brake-Braided-Hose-Union-/201027943223?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item2ece32fb37
Alternatively, Hope do sell replacement caliper piston bore caps in all colours, and you can definitely get red colour for Mono, V2, X2, M4.....almost everything....