Marzocchi Prototype Suspension - First Look

Feb 10, 2012
by Mike Levy  
 
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Pinkbike was invited by Marzocchi to take a tour of their US headquarters, a facility that turned out to be full of exciting new technology. While some of these developments are likely still a few years away, what we saw is indicative of a company that is focused on the future. Product development, no matter what the component, is always years ahead of what is currently available to the public, and it was great to see Marzocchi open their doors and show us some of these upcoming products.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Provisionally named Premier, the new shock may include a type of dual volume adjustment feature, as well as a tungsten disulfide treatment to reduce stiction on all of the sealing surfaces.

Marzocchi is putting a lot of effort into some interesting new additions to their lineup, including an entirely new rear shock, tentatively named the Premier. Slated to be a 2013 product, the Premier will likely continue with the very active feel that Marzocchi suspension has become known for, but it will also integrate some interesting new features. The shock shown above is still in the early design stages, but Marzocchi's R and D man, Josh Baltaxe, told us that it would likely employ external adjustments for both the high and low speed rebound, although he was coy on what the finalized shock would include in the way of dials. We were only shown CAD images and a plastic 3D prototype of the new damper, but one dial that was very clear to see was the additional knob atop the now somewhat standard piggyback volume adjuster. Given that the new shock is still a long ways away from production, Josh wasn't about to give us a complete breakdown as to the function of the dual inline adjuster, but he did use the word "dynamic" when referencing the design, hinting that it may be some sort of on-the-go self adjusting system that is separate from the standard volume feature or the piggyback's internal floating piston.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Marzocchi's Bryson Martin and engineer Josh Baltaxe talk about what we can expect to see with their new Premier shock.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  The Shiver will return! Marzocchi told Pinkbike, on the record, that they are currently working on a brand new Shiver. We couldn't get a release date out of them, likely meaning that it is still a ways off (think 2014), but it will happen.

While their 888 platform has been very successful in many arenas, the inverted Shiver, with its insanely supple action, is a fork that many riders remember fondly. It looks like Marzocchi is set to make a lot of riders happy by reintroducing the Shiver, albeit with more up to date damper technology and possibly a much lighter weight. The Shiver shown above looks just like the original model, but Levy spotted one big difference: check out the fork's adjustment knobs atop each leg, the very same that you would find on a 888. While the fork pictured uses the old Shiver chassis (the lowers tubes, uppers, and fork crowns are from the original), it is serving as a test bed for future designs.

An inverted DH fork is always going to walk a fine line when it comes to stiffness versus weight (the original Shiver wasn't known as the most rigid fork out there), with more material required to approach the torsional stiffness of a right side up fork. That is why Marzocchi is looking at using carbon fiber for the contemporary Shiver's construction, allowing them to possibly build an inverted fork that is much more torsionally stiff than the old design, but still keep the weight at a respectable figure. They wouldn't be the first to go this route, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Marzocchi take it to the next level with a one piece outer leg, lower crown and steerer tube assembly that could eliminate many of the difficulties concerning both stiffness and clamping carbon tubes. Am I off my rocker? Maybe, but I don't see the Shiver returning unless it can truly challenge the current crop of DH forks.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Marzocchi may be thinking about the future, but it's always good to look back as well. Bryson Martin talks to Mike Levy about their RAC fork, an inverted 4" travel slider that was built around a carbon fiber upper assembly back in 2001. That's 11 years ago!

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Carbon fiber stanchion tubes (left) could become a reality in the future thanks to nano particle technology that is already being employed in other fields. The tube pictured is a non-function prototype, but that could change soon.

The photo on the left is of a carbon fiber tube that has had its external surface coated with an aluminum nano particle treatment, giving it an extremely thin coat of aluminum that would allow it to slide smoothly in and out of fork seals. While it may sound like something out of a science fiction novel, this type of technology has actually been used in other fields for many years, allowing engineers to combine the best attributes of multiple materials for one job. A carbon fiber stanchion would likely be much lighter than even a butted aluminum counterpart, and the aluminum nano coating would allow for a consistant sealing surface, something that simply wouldn't be possible with a bare carbon tube. There are, of course, many challenges when it comes to applying this technology to creating functioning fork stanchion tubes, including manufacturing tolerances and clamping surfaces (unless it was used on an inverted for, that is...), not to mention that it is likely cost prohibitive. Remember that carbon has been used for years, with much success, to build ultra-light one piece crown and steerer tube units for high-end forks.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Team CRC/Nukeproof's 2012 V2 EVO Ti forks being built by Marzocchi tech guru Ronnie Dilan.

Marzocchi's head tech, Ronnie Dilan, was busy building up Team CRC/Nukeproof's factory racing suspension during our visit, with their '12 888 V2 EVO Ti forks receiving some extra love before being shipping off to Europe. While we would have assumed that these race forks were full of one-off damper bits and other top secret internals, Ronnie was adamant that the entire CRC/Nukeproof team uses forks that are "very close to stock". Some minor tuning will likely be done by the CRC/Nukeproof team mechanics once they arrived across the pond, but the only modifications Ronnie makes include bumping up to 6.5 kg spring (the stock spring is a 5.5 kg), and adding a Teflon anti-friction additive to the standard 7.5wt fork oil. Apparently the CRC/Nukeproof boys also stick with the stock shim stack for the most part, not making any drastic changes from what the average consumer can purchase.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  A polycarbonate tube takes the place of a stanchion to allow us to see how a prototype closed cell foam compensator reacts as the fork compresses and extends. The Roehrig suspension dyno pictured is used to analyze durability, as well as measure both stiction and heat produced during hard use.

Marzocchi forks have long used an open bath configuration, meaning that the damping oil also acts as lubrication. Because the oil is free to cycle up and down within the fork lowers as the stanchions compress and extend, it creates a very well lubricated system that can feel extremely supple. The downside to this layout, though, is that the current design depends on an oil free space, meaning air at the top of the stanchion allows for volume displacement as the fork goes through its travel. That can allow the oil to slosh around and mix with the air over rough terrain, known as emulsification, that leads to inconsistent damping. The photo above shows a 888 fork equipped with a closed cell foam compensator that takes up some of that air volume, helping to limit emulsification by compressing as the fork goes into its travel.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  There were also goodies for to keep the trail bike crew drooling, including this new Roco Lite rear shock that has been given Marzocchi's "Gold Race Coating" treatment.

Pinkbike at Marzocchi
  Big shocks for big bikes. Marzocchi is heavily involved in the moto world as well, offering both front and rear suspension for those you like to twist a bit of throttle.

With the return of the much vaunted Shiver, the possibility of aluminum nano coated carbon stanchions, and a new rear shock set to debut, Marzocchi looks to be committed to mountain bike suspension for the foreseeable future. Stay tuned to Pinkbike for more information as it becomes available.

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350 Comments

  • + 143
 That sounds pretty cool, carbon stanchions and a new shiver. Can't wait to see how that turns out!
  • + 69
 Marzocchi are smashing it. They may have some troubles, but my god is their R&D churning out quality forks again. Long may it continue.
  • + 16
 i had shivers (single crown) and loved them if they can use carbon i really cant see why they wont be a massive hit
  • + 11
 I really wish they redo the RAC carbon inverted forks! Those were so sick lookin' especially a pic I see of a dual crown version!
  • + 43
 I'm still waiting for their colored stanchion, since the 2010 rampage.
  • + 11
 It is too expensive currently, they are working on reducing the costs before making it commercially available, they were supposed to be available as a factory works option, but again it is still expensive so they have put the plans back till 2013 whilst they bring the costs of machining down. I have spoken to them and researched this extensively to the point where I am getting some coloured by a company called colourite in the UK simply because I can no longer wait.
  • + 8
 YES! Smile the moment i was waiting for years now, Shiver is coming back!!! cant wait to see the first proto and finally the production modell, while they are at it they should remake the Monster too, with much less weight!!! lol that would be realy nice!
  • + 19
 They should remake the Monster and call it the Marzocchi Destroyer. I hope you are taking notes 'zocchi.
  • + 10
 Marzocchi!!!! F T W !!!
  • + 13
 marzocchi are back with a bang!
  • + 2
 wow fox should have done something with their usd proto instead...... that would really be a sick competition for both company and all the buyers will just go nuts.... i got a 2003shiver as well hooked up on my khs and they feel great a bit heavy but really great ...
  • + 29
 wow, their was fox going oh look at a fork were not going to make then come marzocchi, heres one we will, oh also heres a new dh shock, and not forgetting making changes to our current line up oh and before i forget another new shock for the trail guys, and carbon stanchions! this is why i love marzocchi, dont count them out of the game, EVER!
  • + 59
 They're coming up with some great new stuff since they stole fox's trailer
  • + 5
 Oh my god. I still run shivers. lol
  • + 17
 only thing fox and marzocchi have in common technology wise is a titanium nitrate coatings, fox don't even do that them selves they have kowa do that for them in japan.
  • + 12
 Some dude told me yesterday that someday the shiver will return. That guy must be a time traveler
  • + 1
 I thought it was april fools with all the talk bout fox inverted and everyone sayin the shiver was crap blah blah blah and they should make a new one. This is awesome!!!! Bike candy Smile
  • + 11
 I had a set of DC shivers and two sets of SC shivers. In fact until a few months ago I was still using a set of SC. They are awesome forks. I think the torsional flex is actually a bonus as it allows the wheel to track the path of least resistance through rock gardens. the current crop of Marz forks are once again set and forget reliability. Good to see they are really back to their old ways when they were king of the mountain.
  • + 1
 Hope they do another single crown too
  • + 5
 F*ck me... A Carbon Shiver?
Sounds SO sick, but it would be just another thing that hardly anyone can afford.
  • + 1
 yyyeesshhh, there making inverted forks again
  • + 0
 see with 2 of the companies making USD forks rockshox are really going to have to find somthing amazing! maybe mounting the forks to the rear axle will work...
  • - 3
 I dont really see the need for inverted forks lol. the amount of time ive blown my dirtbikes seals out and the amout of mashing i do on my 40 seems the 40 wins lol. But hey i bet inverted forls work great for race teams with mechanics. Im not a mechnanic. But i think each top companys like fox, marz, and rock shox making inverted forks but keping there other forks is very wise.
  • + 0
 This is awesome news for me! I love inverted forks SO Much. Let's just hope they have a good carbon fiber guard plate!
  • + 1
 A slap in the face to fox who are vowing to not go down the road of inverted forks. I think they are the way of the future so Marzocchi are on the money with carbon!
  • + 2
 The 2012 forks are looking sooo sick! And the shivers makIng a return? Awesome! I miss my old shivers but damn they twisted easy! Sure I'm not the only one to see how they turn out! Long live Marzocchi!
  • - 1
 @hertz32 rockshox would be a tad late on that as manitou did it already.

www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/manitou/manitouFS-manitou3_older.jpg
  • + 0
 As a big fan of marzocchi I am stoked to hear all of this, but to those saying fox isnt going down the road the reason is simple.

the new 40's cartridges and many other forks of theirs have inverted internals, thus minimizing the sprung weight issue, so really no need to invert, also less flex. \
  • + 10
 Bring back the MONSTER T’s!
  • - 4
 yeah i'd like to see a ridiculous fork like that come back, there just isn't a market for it anymore
  • + 6
 That's what made marzocchi great though,they weren't afraid to say bollocks to the norm let's make one of our mx forks fit an mtb because we can.
  • + 3
 I like the idea of a new shiver but I hope they keep the 888 as well, I really like my 888 with its stiffness and hope i can get new versions of it with the years to come, I'll try an inverted in like 5 years when theyre stiffer
  • + 3
 Aahhh..... I agree with User "E-Walk" Bring back the MONSTER T,
Monster T2
or my favorate Monster TRD (toyota racing developed)
  • + 2
 By the way, those of you budding engineers wondering about that Nanometal coating, this is more than likely the company doing it: integran.com

I looked into it for another application a while back, but didn't have the production volume to support the research (was very early in the process's commercial life, so lots of research and custom materials were going to be required)
  • - 2
 Actually, they are probably never doing the colored stanchions. In order to do that it required a different heat treating process that left the metal insufficiently strong.
  • + 1
 What they need to do is redo tje carbon rac in a dual crown version(like manitous big carbon dual crown) but bigger that the original(thicker stanchions), the wide crown section of the rac combined with a propper upper crown would combat twisting... Combine this with them new carbon stanchions for one sick fork!
  • + 1
 @bxxer-rider.... Ti-N is way different than Kashima. Ti-n has less sticition, but is more prone to flaking than Kashima.
  • - 2
 MWB13, kashima is simply the name given to it by fox, the process is actually done by kowa in japan for fox.
  • + 2
 @bxxer-rider: Kashima is a process where they impregnate the pores of the aluminum with molybdenum disulfide. Ti-N is well... Titanium Nitride.
  • - 2
 kashima is just a fancy name for TI-NI....
  • + 3
 How is kashima a fancy name for Ti-ni? Ti-ni stands for titanium nitride and isn’t anywhere close to the molybdenum disulfide which is what Kashima is made up of…that, plus other nitrites and ‘additives’ that give it that gold coloring.
  • - 3
 Wish people would do their homework,marzocchi use nickel and kashima is ti-ni,ti-ni is gold where as nickel is more like a tinge of gold.
  • + 0
 @marquis i wish you wouldn't discriminate people, because clearly you dont do you homework either. if you can "read" Marzocchi uses aluminum nano coating. and they gold ones for CRC/Nukeproof use Teflon anti-friction coating.
  • - 2
 In that case they need to sort out what's what then as on the marzocchi website they state that the coating is nickel www.marzocchi.com/Template/detailProdotti.asp?LN=UK&idC=1592&IdFolder=113&IdOggetto=59719
  • + 3
 is that fork gold? no.
  • + 1
 None of you brits know what you are talking about. Suicidedownhiller and DHnewboy are correct, Ti-N is actually more of plating process where Kashima is more of an ano process.
  • + 3
 this is such a pointless argument
  • + 1
 I know, but I was still laughing at their lack of intelligence and stubbornness.
  • + 3
 I'm so lost? Fork stanchions go up and down, thats all i need to know
  • + 4
 20 bucks to the guy who can draw a scale graphic of the molecules and molecular cohesion between the metals.

actually, f*ck it im gonna go ride my bike .

Smile
  • + 0
 MWB13, kashima only came about for marketing purposes, if fox marketing ni-ti then any other company can jump onto the free marketing band wagon.

the proto type 888's for crc are also ti-ni not hard anodise with injected teflon (standard boxxers and older 40's)
  • + 2
 Kashima is just another process of anodizing www.kashima-coat.com/pdf/English_pamphlet.pdf with a few additives like teflon added.
  • + 2
 Marquis just proved you wrong, bxxer-rider. He is right. Kashima is just an ano process that really isn't that special. Also, it's impregnated with teflon, not injected. Ti-N is NOT what Fox uses, It's actually a better coating than Kashima, but is very prone to flaking due to it being harder than aluminum. how many times do we have to say that to you to get it through your thick skull?
  • + 0
 So is ti ni better or kashima i'm lost ?
  • + 1
 it really doesnt matter that much they're both really good at removing stiction, the worst coating is that 2010 boxxer, whatever happened to the all black coatings?
  • + 1
 alright fair enough, so its not even as good as fox make out? surprise surprise.
  • + 0
 Kashima is better than regular anodizing so some of their claims are justified.
  • + 1
 I think the new low friction fox seals have a better effect than the kashima
  • + 3
 Finnrambo, you are correct. From first hand experience putting the new seals on a non kashima fork and testing against kashima with old seals the non kashima is almost more buttery.
  • + 1
 I'm personally for Marzocchis black ano, as I rode an original 66RC('05) for three seasons, mostly street, so allot of exposure to street dust, and the finish never faded at all!
  • + 0
 Is the new 66cr similar damping wise to the old 66rc ?
  • + 1
 No, the '05 66rc was straight up no bs seperate comp/reb cartridges with external ajustment... None of the techno-hype of today!
  • + 0
 Worth going for though or the 2011 66 rc3 ti.
  • + 1
 Personally if you have the cash I would see if you can find an '05 unused but if so make sure its a RC, not a VF or any other.
  • + 0
 The axle to crown on the 170mm version though is 40mm larger than models after this date and my 06/07 66 was flawless,saying that my 08 rcv has been good to go too but the damping is meh.
  • + 0
 what are we complaining about again?
  • + 1
 Asking a question why ?
  • + 2
 You really are an idiot. You just asked about a question with a question
  • + 2
 two statements, A+ for cre-A-tivity.....
  • + 1
 See though, I was coming off a monster-t which fealt great, so the axle-crown was nothing to me...
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  • + 19
 I still own 2 sets of Shivers (2002 and 2003 models) and was always impressed with them. I pretty much spent my entire DH career on Shivers. Finally got myself a new rig (End of 2011) with 2012 Boxxer RC's. Now I am not a die hard fan of either Marz or RS, but I do admit that my Shivers were stiffer than the Boxxers!! The boxxers do definitely have more small bump compliance and feel better overall, but considering the Shivers are 10 Years older than them I am still suitably impressed at how well they perform and for how long!!!
  • + 2
 I still run shiver WC, amazing forks, they live forever!!
  • + 1
 I have a pair of '03 Shivers and WOW a new version!!! ABOUT TIME!!! (Marzocchi, please just don't make them hideously expensive like Manitou did with the new Dorado!!)
  • + 0
 if theyre using carbon nano tubes as stanctions the cost of them will be a bigger obstacle than the track you plan on riding them on you can be damn sure of that...
a tripple 8 with no carbon what so ever costs near as damn 1500 id be looking towards 2 grand and above for a carbon fork.... especially if they are making a 1 piece crown/stanctions assembly
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  • + 22
 Those CRC special forks are un-believably sick!! Nice work Marz!!
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  • + 10
 Really good, the most realiable forks by far i guess comes back to alive again Razz - the 2011 888 rc3 evo feels like buttery smooth and uber stiff, and the usually Marzocchi style Fit and Forget it is also there, also no more bushing problems after 2010 - this is the main reason all of my friends ride Marzocchi forks Razz . I want thoose gold stanchions (wish i had the money) and im really excited about those shocks - hope this will better than the roco wc was.
  • - 8
 i neg proped you just cause you said "uber"
  • + 0
 I positive propped him for saying uber, because its a cool word. You might say its an uber cool word Wink
  • + 1
 If you get fu@#ed by Germans you wouldn't like it too!!
  • + 0
 thats a long time ago.. every one who was involved is dead now.. and canada never was really involved in ww2 i think..
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  • + 12
 It is cool to see them bringing back the Shiver (especially in carbon) but I hope they keep the 888 in the lineup too. Marzocchi is a making a huge comeback
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  • + 13
 They should start selling the see-through forks, that looks sweet! Big Grin
  • + 0
 A glass fork! Mmm, wouldn't look very nice after a few muddy rides!
  • + 13
 or a crash
  • + 0
 Have you not seen the 3m glass advert? Razz
  • + 0
 I gotta see about getting 38mm clear tubes with threads at the end, would love to try it Smile if only for a few days
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  • + 13
 SHIVERS YES
  • + 12
 i want the new SHIVER now, f@ck the greek crisis (gamw tin krisi mas gamw ! )
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  • + 10
 Is there any video of the fork with transparent stanchions in action? Just like the one in the photos, I guess it'd be pretty interesting to see this machine running Big Grin
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  • + 10
 rainbows are being spewed. Would love to get a look at half the stuff in the zocchi factory Razz Razz
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  • + 11
 It's Awesome!!
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  • + 10
 awesome stuff from an awesome company
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  • + 9
 People were predicting yesturday that marzocchi would do this. I have a feeling rock shox might join in too...
  • + 2
 Rock Shox (I don't believe I will say it) seems least HYPEous of the big three so they might skip that one unless they will get pushed against the wall like with 15mm pish.
  • + 8
 Rockshox are also the brand with the least Moto experience and let's be honest, that's where the money is.
  • + 0
 true but you'd think if everyone else is doing it they might have a go.
  • - 4
 I wish they don't. I hope Fox and Marzo choke on that upside down stick and get back to making even better holding "traditional" stuff. Like they took away 32 series Vanilla.
  • + 2
 You could say Marzocchis more "traditional" forks are inverted. Most people i know love the old shivers and only have a problem with weight
  • + 15
 What I would like to see from one of those companies is "authentic series". No bullshit, 100% focus on reliability, serviceability, compatibility at the cost of price and weight, as older marzocchis used to be. Many including me don't give a sht if 2006 Z1 wiegh 2,5kg for a 150 fork. It was darn good.

Then I would love to see a company telling me about: what do they do for the environment and all people involved in production. Where are their materials comig from, who and where and how smelts them, where are raw materials from: is tungsten from the uppers on marzocchi coming from Kongo - is it fair trade or are any raped women involved. Some people might really like to know.
  • - 1
 Money comes first the environment comes second always has always will,hoping marzo will choke on the upside down fork is a tad daft as they are well known for making upside down motox forks and the shiver,even the dorado is making a come back albeit in small numbers.
  • + 5
 How is there more money in moto for suspension. I never see a dirt bikes with after market forks unless they are pro or sponsored.
  • + 0
 I've seen plenty of and known lots of owners who weren't pro or sponsored to change their shocks and forks on their motos. If and when I get a bike myself I'm going to get Ricor inertia-valve shocks and forks for it.
  • + 0
 I was just thinking it was only yesterday that people were saying about the shivers making a return when they saw the fox USD concept forks.
  • + 1
 I think waki just likes to disagree on everything, haters; Having Anger Towards Everyone Reaching Success

do you really think an international company and ultimately money making business machine are not already focused on serviceability, compatibility and reliability? the better job they do in the first place means less customer disputes, refunds, and fickle buyers etc = maximising profit. yes i agree with fair trading standards but as long as they conform to the standards in the country that they are sourced and produced, zocchi have no obligation to pay any more, minimise costs maximise profit. its all well and good thinking the each company you stay loyal too whether it be sram fox whatever, your not part of theyre 'family'. your an income and i think brand loyalty gets overhyped a lot and people expect too much from someone who is ultimately there to make money. same can be said for small independant companys, yes theyre there to 'give people genuine good quality rider owned goods' but its still a business. money > people, its sad but its how it is. neg prop, it doesnt matter but some people need t telling like it is
  • + 0
 Marzoccho forks have always been good at not needing servicing every 40 hours,they took their mx experience and applied it too their mtb line up.
  • + 1
 They call it the 40 not cuz of the size of the stanchions, but because of how often you have to service it!
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  • + 9
 I hope the shivers are as relaible as the old ones were but a little stiffer , exciting stuff
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  • + 9
 Big M is still the best ! Thank you for giving the world open bath options ! You've got our money !
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  • + 8
 Carbon fiber Shiver eh? Its going to cost more than an arm and a leg that's for sure. And nanotechnology!
  • + 3
 Imo that's better that costing an arm and a leg because of the brand... *cough*... Fox.. *cough*

Great to see Marzo steppin' it up!
  • + 1
 You also pay an arm and a leg for marzo.......
  • + 7
 can people stop saying arm and a leg
  • + 1
 Id pay an arm and a leg for you guys to stop saying arm and a leg...
  • + 4
 why would you pay with an arm and a leg? ya you get an awesome fork but you cant exactly ride the bike anymore after losing that arm and leg Big Grin
  • + 2
 Pay half your liver and a kidney then.
  • + 1
 what about a left nut? would that work im just sayin
  • + 1
 is that a lance joke... pretty sure hes missing one
  • + 3
 The new Shiver won't cost a ton, we are in one of the worst economic conditions since the "Great Depression" and bringing out an expensive fork won't do the sport any justice. Due to the high cost the carbon nano tubes are for testing and possible race application only.
  • + 1
 The nanotech application is just way cool. And as for the new Shiver though, thanks for letting us know that we won't have to sell a kidney or various body parts to get one. Props.
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  • + 5
 The MTB world is finally catching up to the moto world in fork design. When I came to the MTB world, I was shocked that there were only a few inverted forks out there. I have owned four dorados including the current version, and have a custom valved Maverick DUC. Once you get used to the inverted fork feel, you find the conventional forks are less precise in real world riding conditions, as the wheel tracking is better with the inverted design. The only disadvantage to the inverted design is small bump compliance, which is the result of the flex as the stantions enter the upper with a slight binding.This is why people feel the inverted design is more flexy in the roots etc. It isn't flex, it is deflection from a lack of small bump compliance. This has been studdied in the moto world for years. Inverted designs are better for SX and outdoor moto. Conventional designs were desired by enduro riders for the above reason.
  • + 2
 i have to politely disagree with the statement about lack of small bump compliance on a mtb USD they are stiffer fore/aft than conventional forks, always lubed at bushing assemblies and adding that to the lower unsprung weight = small bump compliance boost. I understand if youre quoting basic motorcycle science but you cant compare say a shitty boxxer to your current model dorado for plushness and small bump(or even an old shiver), the difference is baffling. I think this shiver will be rad and a welcome addition to consumer choice and maybe we can see the old manitou vs marz rivalry come back!
  • + 0
 While I love USD forks just for nostalgic reasons, shiver, RAC, etc. If you are right in your assertions, I would say that the majority of even the most extreme mountain-bikers require what enduro moto riders require. Very few people's riding is consistently on the sort of terrain that would make the same demands on a fork as SX or outdoor moto.
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 Torsional stiffness comes from the crown and axle stiffness. The brake arch was tried in the moto world and could not get the stiffness comparable to an inverted fork at the same weight. This is where the steering precision in the inverted design comes from. The front wheel can have both stanchions move slightly independently from one another, allowing better tracking. This slight movement is not present in a conventional design with a brake arch. With the correct axle size and tubing diameters, the inverted design offers the best compromise profile for front wheel tracking (AKA cornering traction) and weight. The inverted design does not offer better small bump compliance due to oil etc. The ability to use a smaller tube with the same torsional stiffness reduces stiction. The balance between the surface area of the sliders, bushings, and seals can be reduced, while maintaining the increased torsional stiffness at the crown, where there is the larges need for stiffness. The stanchions flex where they pass through the female part of the fork. Since the sliders are the least stiff part of the fork, this is where the binding happens. It is less noticeable with aluminum stanchions which flex less than steel. An inverted fork flexes where the sliders enter the uppers (small bump hits, and has lots of overlap with increasing travel- less friction.) A conventional fork has the flex at the tree, where it does not affect small bumps, but will deflect with a bigger hit in a corner, losing traction. The only place the "hold the wheel and twist the handlebar" stiffness test has a real world implication is in deep ruts.
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 Its a myth that inverted forks have lower unsprung weight. 2 Alloy stanchion tubes are a lot heavier then one cast lower made from magnesium, which is stiffer and lighter.
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 From a theoretical standpoint it seems usd forks would have better small bump compliance. I always thought the coolest usd design was the original Foes fork, way ahead of it's time.
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 bear in mind on zocchis that magnesium cast is full of oil as well.... beautifully smooth but put it at the top instead and were playing a whole different ball game in terms of sensitivity
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 Oil in an inverted fork sits at the bottom too.
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 Depending on the final design, USD forks can offer a lower unsprung weight allowing the wheel to react faster to bump forces. The main difference is in the overall design of the structure USD Vs RSD.
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 Thanks for to the PB Crew for coming out and checking out just some of our new projects, we had to hide a lot of stuff from Levy! Also thanks to all the Marzocchi supporters, we are working hard on getting out some new and exciting suspension stuff and PB will get the scoop on anything new thats coming out. Marzocchi
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 aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!! why is the entire market more concerned with looks than function? It drives me mad. I work in a BMX shop and spend my days trying to convince kids not to "upgrade" their boring black s&m slam bars to "sick" vocal brightly coloured bars. I get home ad log onto pinkbike for a bit of common sense and in an incredibly interesting article about new marz tech all I see in the comments is "when coloured stanchions?"
AAAARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Why dont you all you faries go take up flower arranging and leave dh for the people that LIKE TO GO FAST ON A BIKE
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 I think companies should look into BAM (Aluminium magnesium boride) It has the lowest coefficient of sliding friction of any material known to man (teflon is 0.04, BAM is 0.02) It can also be coated onto metals easily. Sounds like it would make a perfect coating for stanchions. Heres the wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_magnesium_boride.
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 Standard carbon fiber is only strong in tension since it is a fiber, not a rigid body. It is held together with a resin which has to deal with all the compressive forces. I want to see what this "nano particle technology" is and how it deals with the few short comings of carbon.
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 Yes but you can weave and layer the fibers in alternating directions so its equally strong from every conceivable direction an impact could come from. It just costs more for the carbon fabric. This is how they build the CF safety cells around the drivers for F1 cars for example.
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 solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Composites/Advanced/Technology/3M-Tech

Basically they make the Silica used in the resin out of smaller particles so that the bond between the carbon and resin is stronger.
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 So the resin is just stronger is what I'm getting from this. There is hardly an non compressive forces on stanchions, so once again, they are being taken up by the resin. The only tension is from a bending moment on the stanchions, and they are pretty much negligible in comparison to the compressive forces from the fork being used as a fork. I personally don't trust glue.
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 We first saw nano-coated carbon fiber tubes a few years ago on some Moto GP Race bikes. The technology has been around for years but now the cost is coming in line with possible production application.
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 I understand it is a stronger resin, but how does it address the fact that carbon fiber is just like a rope without its glue, and is only strong in tension?
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 The coatings on those CRC forks and the air shock look extremely interesting, you didn't happen to ask if they were using Molybdenum disulfide in the anodising did you Pinkbike?
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 Those look like Ti-N. Less stiction, but is prone to flaking.
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 "That can allow the oil to slosh around and mix with the air over rough terrain, known as emulsification, that leads to inconsistent damping."

Cavitation is the word you are seeking for air mixing with oil, emulsification is the mixing of two different liquids that remain separated while sharing the same space (like a vinaigrette dressing).
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 haha, fox builds an upsidedown fork, and marzochhi says "F U" we were the first! and answers with the comeback of the shiver.... i´m amused! Big Grin
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 Yeah, that and "GOLD RACE COATING"!!!!! Where have I heard that before???
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 Ehhh you can't patent a color
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 marz was far from the first when it came to inverted forks. the Foes F1 was out many many years before the Shiver
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 did mountain cycle have an inverted fork on the san andreas bike?
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 Hell there were inverted dual-crown suspension forks used on tandems WAY before that, I've seen some firsthand on old Sachs equipped european made tandems. Shimano had hydraulic disc brakes for bicycles in the 1970s available in japan. I used to own an NOS example of one that was complete with the rear hub that the rotor mounted onto. There's very little in basic "ideas" that haven't been tried before in bicycles. A LONG time before in many cases.

As to gold colour stanchions on mountain bike suspension forks, Rockshox was first in 1993 with the Mag-21SL model. And as for carbon fiber stanchion tubes, Showa of Japan (who made suspension forks for Trek in the early 90s) had a series of prototype XC forks which they allowed a few magazines to see (including MBA which ran a review of the fork) in the late 90s which had nickle-plated carbon stanchion tubes. If anything Marzocchi is simply copying an idea from an even bigger motorycle suspension maker (and if you don't know who Showa is, stop reading JUST bicycle mags).
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 No, nojzilla... Inverted forks came more than a couple years before Mountain Cycle ever designed inverted forks. O and dead... the foes F1 was not out that many years before the shiver.
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 This will set a few "kiddies" or "youngsters" right about forks...

mombat.org/Suspension.htm

Specifically : mombat.org/992SuspensionForks.jpg
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 soz i never said they were the first but,
thanx for the trip down memory lane Smile
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 Ah, my apologies Nojzilla. I was tired. I didn't realize you were asking a question. No harm no foul. And happy you enjoyed that webpage. Probably one of the best webpages to have bookmarked just for memory sakes.
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 rffr, the F1 was first introduced in 1995. the first shiver was in 2001. id say 6 years is a long time in the bike industry and well before the shiver
foesracing.com/site/company/foes-timeline
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 Actually Rob Rissenger first introduced an upside down single crown MTB fork in the 80's, its really not about being the first or copying one another. We've never claimed to make the first USD MTB fork.
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 EXCELLENT news !!! I have used and still use shiver DCs and they are great forks. Personally, I hope they DON'T use carbon fiber for anything other than maybe the lower leg guards...less likely to bash them during a rocky chute get off ! Or perhaps make two versions.... a full race spec encrusted with CF and dare I say a a "freeride" version which is a little better suited to the drops, jumps, wrecks and step offs of the FR crowd. I hope the lower leg guards have the same bolt hole patterns as the original shivers as I need some and they are near impossible to find...other than one side ! Hey Marzocchi.....if you read this, please consider bringing back the Monster T or some new "big drop" fork. There is a market among all of the weight freaks on the mountain ! And one more thing....THANK YOU for all of your
dedication, promise, and technological advances that you have given to us in the 2 wheeled world, both throttled and pedaled over the past years and into the future. I can honestly say that I have used your bicycle suspension since it first came out and still use it on numerous machines. I still use 2 monsters, 1 shiver and a 66 and all have been great and never a problem with any of them ! Keep up the great work !
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 Well, if this isnt a little punch in the face for fox..
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 And a kick in the ass.
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 cant forget the balls
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 More of a marketing embarrassment than a punch in the face. Marzocchis are smooth and reliable, but nothing feels more plush than a fresh kashima 40.

But I am stoked for the Zoke, good to see them making a challenge. I would love for them to try a DH fork with up to 9"of travel.
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 Bringing the Shiver back is something we wanted to do a long time ago. USD designs offer a different feel than RSD designs and it some applications better suited for mountain biking than motocross. We just wanted to make sure its perfect in every sense before we pull the trigger on it.
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 Will the shiver be coil sprung? My 888rc is 8 years old, when the shiver is out, that would be time for a change, hope the weight to be sub 3.3kg, and of course every single marzocchi fan wants it to come in black!
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 I want to see a decent free ride fork from Marzocchi to battle the Rockshox totem with its 40mm stanctions, I love the feel of Marzocchi forks but the new design graphics arent too attractive.
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 66 has been 38mm since 2008,no need to go any bigger.
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 hes right...
any stiffer and you start transfering too much vibrations and shocks through the bars resulting in agonising arm pump.
but as ever its a personal preferance thing... some people love it some hate it and at the end of the day thats why theres more than once company left making forks

and the 08/09 graphics on the 38mm zocchi forks were a heck of alot nicer than the 2011/12 ones :/
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 And if you hate the graphics so much, you can make some unique ones yourself. Smile
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 Marzocchi was one of the first companies to make a 40mm sized stanchion tube with our Monster T. With an open bath system, 40mm is a bit overkill for mountain bikes.
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 Can you give me the lowdown on the 2012 66cr,is the damping similar to that of the 66rc from 05.
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 no its totally new but should give similar (ish) feel, both have blow-off compression valving and needle based rebound rather than a propper shim stack for rebound... haven't ridden one of the new cr forks but iv'e heard good things about them...... the biggest difference is that the cr is mostly a sealed cartridge so there isnt much damping fluid in the bottom where the old one was a open bath should keep it lighter but to be honest the CR was designed to fill the gap between people who want something better than a rcv but havnt got the cash for a rc3 if you look at performance and weight, its bang in the middle of the two
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 I would buy an updated Shiver for my Demo in a heartbeat! Can't wait for it to be released.
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 Inverted forks are really nice if you havent tried em out...really plush, and you don't so much charge over ruts, rootsetc. They almost flow you through the best line. That said I'm on a super t, haha.
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 I've got a new 888 RC3 Evo Ti and 55 RC3 Evo Ti. The 55 is the best fork I've ever ridden, hands down. The 888 is awesome, my only complaint is that the stock spring is too soft. Getting a heavier spring has been very challenging (I tried through Mz Canada multiple times, and have been waiting for 3 months from my LBS) and Ti springs are not available. Other than the spring issue, I would strongly recommend Marzocchi.
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 check with Alex at Zoke Canada again. I know they were doing inventory a few weeks ago. I was able to score a Firm Titanium spring for my 2011 66 RC3... I know he mumbled something about 888 springs when he was rooting around looking for the 66 Ti. michael
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 its weird that you'd have trouble getting a firm spring, I got a 4.4 (softest) without issue
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 wow.... they sure jumped on that opportunity fast.... Fox says they're canning theirs and people are sad so Marz comes out into the open about this. Shrewd marketing and it'll probably get a lot of people set on buying this product whenever it comes out just because of the way things have gone in the past few days... regardless of performance.
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 They're just getting ready for the 29er DH marketing pandemic(preferably 650b)like Fox and Manitou.
Carbon stanchions sound logical for inverted forks.
Although I wonder if this is all feeling the market, and that ol Shivver is just a test bed they use as it's a simple host to use.
I'm sure I wrote this stuff 8 hours ago. Are their Pinkbike censors working for the companies?
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 wow they look so much stronger and ridgid than the fox prototype. im looking at both an now i see why fox scrapped theirs. looks like marzocchi is back in the game big time...they never left people with rockshocks just are haters "oh their so much better to work on" , buy a marzocchi and you dont half to rebuild it every 2 months.
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 They look much stronger and rigid than the fox proto... you do realize those forks in the pic are from 2000-2003 but with some new internals in them don't you???
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 Its nice to see that the inverted fork has not been tossed out as a great idea. It makes perfect sense from an engineering standpoint. Hopefully they can work out the small kinks that have kept other designs from become more mainstream! The technology and advanced material/ techniques suspension manufactures are using now for "regular style," forks combined with the inherent benefits of an inverted design are sure to make for a very smooth and sensitive fork action. Im thinking a inverted, bomb-proof, Fox 40 but lighter and with more tire clearance. Looks Promising!!!
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 MX does it (inverted forks)... have been for a while... bike industry always seems to copy the motorcycle.


l wonder why inverted bicycle forks haven't ever really been a mainstay.


marketing?
cost?
safety?
supply n demand?
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 Add weight to your list. And I would agree with supply and demand. I owned a Shiver once and my buddy is still running it, AWESOME fork to say the least. Looks like I better start saving up for a new fork!
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 yep, weight. moto forks are significantly heavier to deal with the flexiness that bicycle forks gets
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 My white brother dh2 weighs 6.7lbs
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 its also the flexiest fork ive ever tried, leaked like a sieve and had a horrible damper.....but it was light
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 Actually the moto industry follows some of the ideas that the MTB world has proven such as the Showa USD moto fork on the Kawasaki 250, it has a single sided spring, external spring preload, single sided damper, just like most of the current MTB designs. Back in the day, all the people that started making MTB suspension were all ex moto people who fell in love with bikes (myself included).
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 @deadatbirth It funny how you dont know what your talking about
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 i can see from your pics that everything i said is correct...and from the multiple years of experience i have with that fork.. you fork is a nice touch on that bike though
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 No it doesn't, Yeah my forks leak for a one reason only. I never once replaced the seals last ten years that I had them. I doubt your "experience" sounds more like you got your information from your friends. Let me ask you this, do you know why inverted forks are used on high powered dirt bikes and super sport bikes
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 i never said inverts are bad. inverted forks that leak oil like old WB forks did, are bad.
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 You did stated in your first two comments that it was Inverted forks " flexiest fork ive ever tried, leaked like a sieve, had a horrible damper and significantly heavier"

Here is something you should read www.yamaha-motor.ca/technology/technology.php?group=M&tech=IF
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 way to take everything i said completely out of context and then completely miss the point...then post a link that has nothing to do with the horrible WB forks or anything i mentioned. fail
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 Love that RAC fork, I have never seen it live, only in old Marzocchi catalogs and it's awesome piece of tech!
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 dont get me wrong i am a zocchi fan i run their forks on all my bikes but gold race coating and inverted fork chat all of a sudden do they think were daft... all seems to be in response to kashima and fox talking about making the 40 inverted..... im not so sure that all of this is marzocchi's r&d....
maybe they "borrowed" a few ideas from elsewhere.......
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 Hahaha, borrowed.... I don't know who made a legendary USD fork in the first place, but I'm pretty sure it's Marzocchi lol
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 Marzocchi was one of the first to make a lightweight fully open bath moto inspired USD fork for mountain bikes but we certainly didn't invent it. Marzocchi was making motorcycles and moto suspension since 1949 and making an USD mountain bike fork was inspired by our passion from moto experience.
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 not denying that zocchi was the first to make them largely commercially available but after it being dropped so long ago and with plans to relaunch after fox was seen prototyping one is a little suspicious to say the least....
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 My prayers have been answered. Thank you Father. I promise I'll be a good boy from now on.
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 YEESSS!! Its been a long wait! Ive been running my my 04 shiver for 8 years now waiting for a new one Smile
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 Ive been using my 02 shivers for 10 years now, wont buy a new set as mine arnt broke yet!
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 nice to see you havnt spent a fortune on new forks in the meantime cos youre goin to realise you need the extra cash when marzocchi release the price lists
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 HA, Very true!
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 I dont know about you guys but im really liking the carbon fiber stanchion tubes...
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 "oil to slosh around and mix with the air over rough terrain, known as emulsification," it is CAVITATION. Maybe its just me but, suspension is hard enough to help yourself/others with to have more bad info around.
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 Wrong, I'm afraid. Cavitation is temporary formation and then collapse of bubbles in a fluid due to a rapid pressure drop depressing the boiling point of the liquid. Mixing air and oil is not cavitation
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 batfastard's correct on this one.
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 Emulsification refers to two substances that will not blend. Air and oil dont blend they mix and form a froth or foam. So yes, you could call it emulsification. although I think most riders would know it as "foaming"
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 Shiver mike is even more correct for his correctness.
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 It's no surprised they are re-introducing the Shivers. I tried one and they were the shit. Supple and stiff with plenty of flex. Try one!!
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 Every 10 years, guys. Every 10 years the old designs get recycled. L.O. fucking L
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 I still ride marzocchi shivers dc every weekend and they may be heavy but they haven't let me down yet. Treat em right and they will treat you right. And bring back the super monsters dood!!!!
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 I am not sure who it was on this list of comments but they called it. 650b dh is going to happen. Get ready for wheel wars 2. Inverted forks make this easier. 2014 some big company will have it in their line up.
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 i am not hating on the fox prototypes but dam these Marzocchi prototypes look 10000 times beter and more reliable!!!!
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 We had to hide all the super cool stuff from the PB guys!
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 Hell ya but doesnt that explain why you guys are the best company who make reliable forks Smile
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 "aluminum nano coated carbon stanchions"

I love the sound of that!!!! *droolz*
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 My Fox stuff doesn't last as long as it used to and I'm ready for a change. If any of this stuff lasts as longs as the original Z1s, I'm going back to Marzocchi.
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 I can almost guarantee that Marz won't let the shivers name down with this new ordeal. They have more reputation than any other product in the history of the company riding on the shiver name. One screw up and that will be the end for marz... or a short lived shiver and a lot of pissed buyers.
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 Im soo stoked on this im still running the 2001 shiver world cups lol :p
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 Yeah marz will do it again.Please bring back that oldschool marz feel...I am riding 888-2005, what can I say...PRICELESS
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 Nice! Marz coming out with some cool stuff...I've always run Marz forks...and loved them! I think I know what i'm getting come 2013...
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 aluminum nano particle condoms FTW!
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 I've had the pleasure of owning 2 sets of s/c shivers and loved them. Im so happy to see them bring the shiver back. Top Job.
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 damn!! i just felt my dickwittch!! always hard a soft/hard spot for maezocchi never been able to fault them. this excites me!
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 at ^RFFR you are obviouisly an idiot.i think anyone who owns a DH bike knows the shiver is not new...Were all stoked cuz its back you old fool!
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 Polish RAC ad from 2001: www.pinkbike.com/photo/4288249
The past is the future Smile
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 The RAC was way ahead of its time. Back then there wasn't any existing technology to produce this fork, everything had to be engineered and prototyped. With todays advanced carbon fiber manufacturing processes, making the RAC design would be fairly seamless.
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 Unless they transfer their manufacturing away from Taiwan and back to Italy, US or Canada, it's still gonna be just a broken Shiver soon. Before I sold it, my old Italian made Shiver did last 5 years but I remember how my 01 Shiver's adjustment dials had very little impact on it's performance, unlike my Monster T. The stanchions were pretty vulnerable in 01, they're gonna be even more so if they're gonna be CF. The rest of the fork was pretty strong , though. I "SHIVER" to think how long it's gonna take Marzocchi to get the quality control right on now THIS new project.
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 Actually manufacturing in Taiwan is much more accurate and reliable than ever before. Its really up to the companies who design the products to ensure the parts are manufactured and assembled correctly, especially when it comes to something as complicated as suspension.
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 Marzocchi,

It's so good to see you get involved on this thread, I wish more companies would get involved through this medium. these forums are a great way to see how people who really care ( the riders ) really feel. and if your skin is thick enough you can see some of the concerns that you have to face. Also you can see what we the riders really want. I personally look forward to seeing Marzocchi return to glory. I am still riding a 140mm bomber MX comp that I bought in the early 00's and it works great.

And for the Taiwan comment, Anyone who has been to Taiwan and has seen the level of manufacturing that is done by many of the reputable companies that are based out of there will know that many times their quality control even exceeds what is done domestic or foreign.
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 Both of my bikes , Giant Reign.IH Sunday, are made in Taiwan and I couldn't be happier with the quality/performance. My comment had less to do with "Taiwan" than the noticable difference in Zoke's quality control....or lack there of since switching their manufacturing their. Maybe it is just a coincidence . Attribute that to whatever you'ld like, but there's hardly anyone who's owned both generations who would disagree with me.. Whatever the reason , Taiwan, or 2008's Tenneco's acquisition of Marzocchi, the QC needs to improve . My buddy has an OEM Bomber than came stock on his leftover NEW 2009 IHorse 6.4 He had sent it back twice before Marzocchi USA just sent him a new upgraded one. I will say they were actually really great about it. Just hoping they can recapture that QC of pre 2008.
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 Now that, I agree with. They used to be very high quality. I look forward to seeing that kind of quality once again.
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 I have the old shivers and they are amazing even though they are 9 years old! cant wait to see what the new shivers look like and how they work. gonna be sick
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 Foam compensator... I guess Manitou uses one in their Absolute forks since a few years ago. I guess I'll put one in my Nixon too, LOL.

I don't know how coated carbon stanchions will turn out as carbon could flexe more than the aluminum coat, possibly causing flaking. Yeah, there is stuff that has been used for years in other industries, but that doesn't mean they will work in a cycling aplication (think TiN coating - works wonders on cutting bits, not that good in stanchions).
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 Carbon Fiber is actually way stiffer by both weight and volume than aluminium is.
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 Carbon could flex more??? Carbon is many MANY times more stiff than aluminum. Come on man.
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 ERROR !!!
ti nitrate is the flaking material as trialled on boxxers several years back ... ti nitride is a slightly less smooth but load more stable compound that doesnt flake/peel
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 Ti Ni is about the smoothest surface coating you can (economically) use in this application. It will only flake is the substrate material isn't squeaky clean and or the substrate material flexes too much.
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 marzocchi more than back in the game, owning it as of 2012
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 Everybodies getting dem proto's lol
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 Looking pretty sweet, can't wait to see what new products they bring out in the future. Def want Fox to bring out there invert to haha
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 Why naming the fork ''Premier'', even provisionally... Shiver with 888 internals........ I don't care the god damn price, I want one as soon as possible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 umm, Premier is the name of the REAR shock.
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 Yes we are technically calling the new rear shock the "Premier" but haven't decided yet.
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 I want to go to work for Marzocchi!
O que é preciso? Big Grin
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 i just want to know why it took the industry so long to pick up the technology that dirt bikes have had for decades...
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 waiting for material advancements, and manufacturing techniques to lower the costs.
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 sooo..... "Gold Race Coating" = kashima without being able to call it "kashima"?
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 Still have a red pair of 1999 monsters T's at home, would love to see a pair of new 40's from them
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 still runnin my 2001 shiver and lovin the twist
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 I wonder what RST are up to..?
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 i ride marzocchi for a long time now and the shocks are super reliable and can handle quite a punishment !!!
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 are inverted forks the future of MTB? and im i the only one who would want see threw stations like that?
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 Why write such a huaaaaggge paragraph just to be neg proped, Go get a bath!
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 i think i had an accident in my pants Smile got to have some
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 yeah marzocchi... maybe fox will pull finger and keep designer theirs.... if only!
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 Damn!! shiver are/were the ultimate dh fork.. the new ones look sick!! i'll be first in line to buy these!
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 Foxes invert fork is still in my news feed
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 Marzocchi For Life!!!!!! those RAC's look too nice for my next 4 cross /slopestyle rig i want one!
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 I want to ride that clear stanchion!
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 Marzo is still in the game, can't wait to be in 2013 or 2014 !
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 Would 2012 Marzocchi 888 RC3 Evo Ti LOWERS fix my busted '09 888 WC Lowers?
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 2 major fork/shock companies have completly changed their design in a matter of 2 days.. next is rockshox
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 I've been waiting years to see the Shiver return. two years to start saving some $$$
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 We've been waiting to bring the new Shiver out for a couple years too and don't worry, it won't cost an arm and a leg.
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 If my Evo ti 888's are anything to go by this stuff is going to be sic ! Fox who?
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 DEAR Marzocchi:


mini MONSTER T single crown. NOW!!!
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 Now that would be a cool fork, we will work on a proto!
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 I'd be right on board for that one too !! Make a totem look like a toy, come on ...you can do it !!
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 Dear MarzocchiUSA,

With increasing stantion diameters, and the evolution of lighter, stronger alloys, and more millimetres of added suspension, year on year, a new breed of fork is imminent.

I say, revive the buried Monster T. Having previously owned several "Monsters" (, version 2001 being my favourite and a fan of the 2004 extended lowers plus the 12" Super Monster Ts), I would be a delighted Marzocchi fan to hear that you are working a new prototype for the Monster T's; single crown, or triple crown, possibly with the same previous specifications, or be it, wider, longer and lighter.

I await eagerly for any such deveploment.
Yours, in definitely. Smile

Danny
aka. Marzocchi Fan
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 Why does everyone say "Marzocchi" when Sr Suntour makes all of their parts?
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 Bringing back the shiver would be there best move ever as a company. Still the best dh fork ever made 10 years later.
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 I was a huge fan of Marzo till recently, so glad that they are getting back on their game.
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 It's gonna be time its' returning, my old Shiver is really getting old......

www.pinkbike.com/photo/1759340
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 i soooo want that cnc'd M logo in the 3rd picture ......
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 Bring back the 300mm monster
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 Called it! Looks like my Boxxer WC may be replaced sooner then later..
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 Im taking it the "gold race coating" is going to be like fox's kashima coat.
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 i have shivers now and love them, would be great to see what they could do with them nowSmile
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 polycarbonate stanctions that would be cool if they made them
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 Did you notice the center tube is in line whit slidetubes.
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 its a crap anyway... no matter what they do its just a marz.
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 how could would be to have those transparent stanchions huh?
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 Honestly this USD stuff is Hypeish shyte. I don't believe that neither Marzocchi nor Fox will replace their current DH forks (40 and 88Cool with USDs. They will just use it as a side dish and thrive on confusion rigid/light VS flexy/smooth that has been already generated by Manitou. Basing on the same idea that reular costumer believes in the dogma that more choice is better.

Not sure how Marzo will succeed in USD territory, but FOX guys are smart, they know how to BS. You know that all the best manufacturers like SHOWA use Kashima on sliding surfaces of their MX forks internals as well as on outside? Well if you haven't now you know, Fox knows that and they will add "spices" one at the time so you want the new smoother one next year... expect shiny gold inside before 2014.
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 And DLC. MX forks use a Kashima+ DLC combo on the inner and outer fork legs.
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 At waki, if you read the article yesterday fox isnt making a usd fork, and I wouldn't call Fox knowing how to bs, theres a reason kashima has been used in the moto industry for so long its not just for show. also how do you think companies stay in buisness, if you made the same product for years and years you wouldnt sell much of it by the end technology would have passed you by. look at the computer world companies that havent progressed are now lost and can't catch up, and when you buy a computer its out of date by the time it hits the store at least your fork is good for at least a year before an improvement is released.
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 giveitall14, I think you don't get WAKIs point.. of course a company needs to stay in business by developing new technologies... but what WAKI says is, that the technology existed for years, they just don't hit the market with it, but give us piece by piece just tiny little upgrades for the next generation instead. That's how they make us wanting the new stuff, even if it isn't really anything new compared to the older model technologically. Apple does the same thing. Most if not all of the technology to create an iPhone 4GS was already available when the first generation was to hit the market, but by adding just a tiny little bit of new functions and then selling this as a completely fresh and new developed product, they can always go back to ask the skimming price again. and again. and again. It's a simple strategy to avoid price deterioration.
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 dampening is the wrong word to use.
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 Looks like there's some cool stuff in the pipeline from Marzocchi!
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 those are all marzocchi 2001 models but with better interiors looool
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 Fucking sweet shivers are back.
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 Mazocchi has improved soooo much
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 Somehor now everybody wants these kind of forks
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 Man I want a Shiver DC (and the SC too) since I got into mountain biking!
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 Yea... everyone bashes the shivers and other USD forks... then once the new dorado comes out, everyone is obsessed. People on pinkbike are a bunch of lamers who didn't want to fight the flack (IE defending USD forks), Sheer uninformed idiots, or, sheer ass hypocrits. Either way, 99.99999% of replies on USD forks are from absolute lamers/sellouts.
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 goddamn i want those gold stantsions for my 2012 888.
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 Monster T would be nice to see.
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 yes!!!!!!!!!!!! still running my shiver single crown!
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 I'm definitely gonna start saving for the shiver.
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 Marzzochi, you win at suspension.
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 The Shiver is Backk!!!
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 I want one too.
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 are you f*cking kidding me???
fox fork, and now shivers?!
wow!
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 it's what the people want, i know i certainly want one!!!
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 not the fox one any more.
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 what? i know this isn't the fox, i'm talking about the shiver.
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 the fox project got cancelled.
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 well yea i know, but i'm just saying lots of people want moto style forks.
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 but they should inprove something ... i mean its the old shiver back... im not saying its boring... inverted? its ok but i was expecting for something new...
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 props to marzocchi !
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 LOVE the new roco
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 im so happy i might cry
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 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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 why the shox industry go to invert susspesion
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 So the race for the inverted fork has begun!!!!!!
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