Tannus Introduces New Armour Tubeless Inserts

Aug 4, 2020 at 21:23
by Tannus Tires  
Downhill and freeride pro Reece Wallace explains the features of the new tubeless insert

PRESS RELEASE: Tannus Tires

Tannus has developed a tubeless insert to add to our Armour insert line, built for riders looking for the highest-performing tire and rim protection for their tubeless setups. Insights for the tubeless insert came from our original Armour insert, which uses tubes to give the insert its shape. The tubed version continues, with the tubeless insert giving a new option for more riders.

bigquotesThis is the hardest project we’ve ever done. The market for tubeless inserts has serious competition, so we had to design something that we believe is truly a better solution than those currently available. Youngki Lee, Head Engineer of Tannus Tires.


Armour’s winged shape is designed to provide a smooth but active ride feel that’s not overly damped

Installation
Armour Tubeless’ shape blends both an in-rim and free floating design, hooking into the rim bed while arching up and into the main chamber of the tire. Since the insert doesn’t need to sit flush against the rim, Armour is easy to install, with a five-minute average install time.


Ride Feel

Tannus athletes said one thing they didn’t like about other inserts was the “dead” feeling that thick shapes create, so our new Armour design acts more like a spring than a punching bag. It absorbs hits, but doesn’t eliminate trail feel. The tubeless Armour’s wings also give sidewall support for optimal cornering feel, while not overly stiffening sidewalls and impeding traction.


Material and Weight
Armour uses a new version of our proprietary Aither 1.1 foam technology and weighs 150 grams, lighter than many other premium tire inserts.Our development team took over two years to create a tough, impact absorbing and active substrate that can be molded into the desired shape while being light enough for downhill, all-mountain and trail riders alike.


Speed
Testing found that the tubeless Armour decreased rolling resistance and improved small bump compliance, making Armour three percent faster in the lab than a traditional tubeless system.

Specs:
• 150 grams (equivalent to a tube)
• 5-minute installation
• $50 per insert
• Two sizes available: 27.5” x 2.1 - 2.6” & 29” x 2.1 - 2.6”
• 3% faster than tubeless in rolling resistance testing
• Winged structure for sidewall support and active ride feel
• Aither 1.1 proprietary foam technology
• Tannus Armour is available at www.tannusamerica.com.




138 Comments

  • 113 4
 Looking at the cross section, 10/10 would insert
  • 4 0
 That was my first thought
  • 5 51
flag Foes2001 (Aug 5, 2020 at 18:20) (Below Threshold)
 the spreaded a s s n' pink legs look sugestive
  • 53 0
 @Foes2001: for this kind of humor to be appreciated, you have to subtly hint at it, not come right out and say it
  • 5 0
 @rickybobby18: he will probably go all American pie on his insert
  • 3 1
 Comment of the week.
  • 26 3
 Si je buzz mon derrière sur la roue, est-ce que ça va être plus doux pour mon ti tannus avec cet insert?
  • 1 0
 That one fly below the radar...
  • 25 2
 still run 30psi dhf minions
  • 21 0
 And still doesn’t need opinions.
  • 7 0
 Because I only ride park.
  • 5 0
 Still taking the time to perfect his beats
  • 17 1
 Would be interesting to test rolling resistance of various inserts. Does an insert that rides "higher" on the sidewall, like this one, chafe against the casing and cause rolling resistance?

I'm sure not everyone cares, but many do and this information is currently nonexistent.
  • 5 0
 I should add: I'm glad Tannus mentioned this in the press release, which is better than most. Still, would be nice to have some independent testing and see how others compare.

If Tannus can support the claim of improved rolling resistance, that would be impressive and opens up a whole new marketing angle for inserts.
  • 14 0
 We have more information about an in depth rolling resistance test on our website (it should be there, if not I’ll have a chat with our IT guy ASAP). Put simply, there’s a reason we went with the shape that we did.
  • 12 0
 @Tannus: I see the PDF on your website. It's light on information, says nothing about test methods, and does not cite the lab used. I'm not saying it's incorrect, just that it does almost nothing to support the claims.

Thank you for considering rolling resistance and I look forward to additional information.
  • 2 0
 There’s some good info on the Insta story about it. It’s @tannusarmour if you wanna check it out
  • 6 0
 @R-M-R: crap, yep the IT guy didn’t put it on. We’ll get him on it first thing in the morning!
  • 1 0
 Am interested in the rolling resistance figure -cljmbing, descending, dirt, road or???
  • 2 10
flag phops (Aug 5, 2020 at 23:44) (Below Threshold)
 The point of these inserts is that you can run tires at lower pressure which throws the rolling resistance out the window, which really is useful for harder cornering like you would riding enduro or DH.

For trail/xc riding that isn't all about speed, you generally don't really need inserts, just run the tires at higher psi. Most of the 2.4-2.6 trail based tires at 30 psi are still plenty compliant. Hell, even tubeless is not really needed for most people out there that don't ride rocky stuff with high puncture resistance.
  • 4 0
 @onemind123: @onemind123: My guess is reduced rolling resistance could be achieved by holding constant the pinch-flat resistance, which allows lower pressure. Lower pressure usually reduces rolling resistance on rough terrain. Reduced rolling resistance on road or smooth terrain seems unlikely, but I'll try to keep an open mind.

I'm interested to see how Tannus presents their data and whether others will perform similar experiments. It would be an exciting development in bike design if we could simultaneously improve rolling resistance, pinch flat resistance, energy management, and tire stability.
  • 4 0
 @R-M-R: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1756/9757/files/research_devlopment.pdf?v=1596739310 Here's a link to a PDF of a comparison versus CC and several others regarding Rolling Resistance, force to remove from the rim in an impact, vibration damping characteristics, and a few others. This is all on our website now. Enjoy!
  • 7 1
 @Tannus: Thank you, that's a big step in the right direction and better data than we typically see from insert manufacturers.

Those are good numbers from a mid-weight insert. Some thoughts:

General
• Tire width could be wider. 2.3" is rather small; most people - especially those who like new technology - are using about 2.5".
• Pressure range could be tighter.

Rolling Resistance
• What was the roughness of the test drum for the rolling resistance test?
• It's difficult to understand how rolling resistance can be less with Armour Tubeless and CushCore than no insert. Impressive result if this stands up to further investigation.

Vibration
• Inconsistent, non-linear responses warrant further investigation.
• How significant or problematic to riders are the observed vibrations and amplitudes?

Rim Off
• Seems like a reasonable test. Does it correspond strongly to observations during ride testing?

Shock Absorbtion
• A large difference is observed between the Tannus and CushCore vs. others. If this is due to the impactor “bottoming out” the other inserts and hitting the rim, it would be nice to compare the pressures at which this force spike begins to occur.
• It may be more analogous to real-world riding to increase the pressure of the other inserts until similar shock absorption values are observed and report the pressures required to achieve this.

Thanks again for the data. It appears you may have a superior product and it would be as useful to you as it would be interesting to me to further validate it via test data.
  • 4 0
 @R-M-R: You are such a nerd!!! And I LOVE it!!! And I also love the way you are always willing to help people out. Keep being a bad ass my good man!!
  • 2 0
 @R-M-R: I have been curious about some of these things as well. in particular, rolling resistance. One thing that I have thought about in regards to that could be the volume that the insert takes up leading to a ramp-up in pressure as the tire is pushed into the ground, similar to a volume spacer/token. Either that, or it could be the increased pressure on the sidewall of the tire, allowing the tire to retain a more rounded shape. If the tire retains a better, more rounded shape as it is compressed, it has a smaller contact patch which correlates to less rolling resistance. That is my theory at least. I would be interested in what actually contributes.
  • 3 0
 @whattheheel: Thanks! Glad other folks appreciate the nerding!

@downhillbrill: If the data are accurate, which I currently have no reason to dispute, the next two questions could be:

1. What makes it so? It seems reasonable that an insert chafing against the tire would cause friction and waste energy, but maybe other factors, such as those you suggest, dominate. It's certainly unexpected.
2. Does this effect hold true in real-world riding? Rolling resistance is difficult to accurately measure outside of a lab and we appear to be dealing with only a few percentage points.
  • 2 0
 @R-M-R: good point. What does 1-2 percent on a roller equate to on a track? Just looking at results from world champs last year the difference in times between 1st and 2nd place is 0.2 percent difference. The difference between being on the podium and watching the podium is 0.1 percent. I am also curious about what that lab percentage equates to on a track. But then there are the confounding variables like weight, traction, damping. Trying to get statistically significant data would require 1000s of downhill runs per individual rider. Sign me up for that. haha
  • 2 0
 @downhillbrill: XC could also be a good application. Many XC racers use tires with a little bit of puncture protection (ex. Maxxis EXO or Schwalbe Snakeskin casings). With an insert, maybe they could use tires without puncture protection, which would partially offset the weight of the insert, and they would have less rolling resistance from the faster tire and the (possibly) reduced rolling resistance with an insert.
  • 14 0
 I run the tubed Armour on my older non-tubeless wheels and it’s fantastic. These may be the ticket when I upgrade from Windows 95 and go tubeless.
  • 3 0
 Same. Ran it with light Magic Marys and light tubes and got bombproof set for my kind of riding with not that much of additional weight. Feels heavy on uphills, but when pointed down it shines everywhere. No sealant mess, 26" sized and totally old school.
  • 8 0
 I’ve been running these for about 6 months now, and they’re pretty impressive. I still like to use a double down or equivalent tire out back, but I can run as low as 22 PSI before I get unwanted flex. This is pretty incredible, as I before I would run 28 up front and 30 out back. Tons more cornering and braking grip without tires folding over, significantly more comfort and less fatigue on long descents, crazy light, and not a pain to install. Highly, highly recommended!
  • 2 0
 So rad to hear, thanks. Just ordered
  • 11 0
 #norbsgotquiet
  • 6 0
 Would these help with tire squirm in hard corners? I like the way my bike feels at lower pressure for riding around but I get into some hard fast corners and it feels like the front tire is going to rip off. And sometimes it does..
  • 9 0
 Yep that’s the idea! So far we haven’t had any reports of anyone being able to rip a tire off, but I’m sure It’ll happen. I personally run 20 psi at places like Silver Mountain and Moab and have yet to roll a tire or have it feel squirmy.
  • 2 0
 20! Wow if I creep below 30 I’m destined for some burps. Thanks for the quick reply. I @Tannus:
  • 1 0
 @Tannus: can you explain how this design helps prevent burping or tyres folding? The majority of the material is in the widest bit of the tyre, and the "legs" down by the rim surely can't do a lot to prevent burping. Having recently fitted a Rimpact (breaking 2 tyre levers on the process), it's clear how that supports the bead. But I can't see how this does.
  • 4 0
 @mountainsofsussex: Great question. The insert itself is much wider and flatter than the pictures do a justice, so it's folding a decent amount in the middle after it's installed. What happens is the outside of the tire pushes the insert towards the middle, giving it more of a "diamond shape". This then pushes the tire to the outside of the rim bed as well as the wings of the insert, so the bead doesn't have much wiggle room once it's installed, therefore less burping and easier tubeless setup.

Hopefully that makes sense, and isn't just me rambling.
  • 2 0
 @Tannus: I see, so in effect, an uninstalled insert is a sort of n shape, that's then squashed into the inverted v by the tyre sidewalls, and air pressure forces the tyre into the rounded shape. Then the insert stops the tyre collapsing in heavy cornering by pushing the sidewalls apart. Interesting. Can it get you to the end of a stage with a flat like Cushcore/Rimpact? And would that trash the "legs"?
  • 10 2
 Hmm...
-Lighter than CC
-Cheaper than CC
-Easier to install Than CC
What’s not to like?
  • 8 2
 What if comparing these to CushCure isn’t an accurate comparison? What if they’re not as good? Huck Norris is all the things you said, too, but it’s rim protection only, at best. Jury’s still out on these...
  • 2 0
 @erikkellison: Good point. It does seem like it is heads and tails above Huck Norris. I won't even bother with HN, but i'd give Tannus a try.
  • 4 0
 I have been running these for a little bit and I really didn't think I would like them but I have to say I'm impressed. I can't speak for all the claims but certainly the rim protection is great and you can run lower pressures in your tires. Not stupid low pressures but I dropped min eby 2 psi in the front and 4 in the rear. Haven't had any hard rim hits or folded tires. These are good especially if you don't want to run cushcore but you want cushcore-ish rim protection. I think this is a super good option. Also they're not super heavy so I haven't really noticed any downisdes. Good Job Tannus!
  • 4 0
 Been running these for a while now, I’ve had some tough times getting air to stay in my tires but once I worked out the kinks they’ve been amazing! The secret is to make sure your tires don’t already have holes... Just did a ride tonight on ~20 psi and had insane grip and still held plenty of speed for everything. I’ve been running the tubed version in my DH bike for two years now on the same tubes! These things are amazing!
  • 25 22
 I have been on these inserts for several months. The truest test that convinced me these were the real deal was racing at Bootleg Canyon. If you havent been to bootleg, it is pretty much a 3-4 minute razor sharp rock garden the whole way down. I raced with 21/22 PSI and had unreal traction, not to mention improved small bump compliance over the chatter. I did several rides on The Whole Enchilada in Moab as well and you really notice the damping of the inserts after 30 miles of continuous square edge rock hits. I honestly will not ride without them at this point.
  • 75 5
 I mean, it'd be kind of weird if you didn't ride with them since they sponsor you, right?
  • 30 3
 @slumgullion: this is true. I try to be as unbiased as I can though. Despite knowing all of the guys at tannus, I didn’t use the 1st version of the product. It didn’t fit my riding style and I wasn’t one to benefit from it so I didn’t use it. They knew that. I wanted to run tubeless inserts from day one. Everything I said above is my true experience with the product. Im not running anything on my bike that I don’t want or that I think doesn’t improve my performance. If I thought cushcore was better l, I would buy it. Just trying to give real world experience about a product that has changed my riding experience. But I understand there may be inherent bias
  • 11 3
 If you guys could watch Brill ride, you’d understand why we reached out to him from day 1. He was a hard sell but the dude rips.
  • 2 0
 Woah, Looks like I need a set of these before Brian Head next week to even the playing field a little bit! Wink super interested in getting on some though!
  • 4 0
 @mixmastamikal: dude. Brianhead will be a good test. I rode no inserts 32 psi last year. It was miserable. This should be a game changer
  • 3 0
 @Tannus: All I do is get yelled at by shops for breaking stuff. Do they do anything to protect the rim? Want to ride the bike parks again this year but crushed a rim last time out. Used to have a sh ring for park days. Now I am hesitant to put the tail bike back on the lift for fear I won't have a bike the other 6 days of the week.

I didn't want to even think of putting a Cushcore in for one day trips to the bike park.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: they’ve got 20mm of rim protection so I think you’ll love them!
  • 4 0
 @downhillbrill: You rode 32 psi without inserts in 2019? Any insert is an improvement over that.
  • 1 0
 @Tannus: How wide are they at the widest point?
  • 1 6
flag skelldify (Aug 6, 2020 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 If that squared-edged rock section on TWE takes you 30 minutes, you’re not going very fast.
  • 2 0
 @skelldify: it says 30 miles. not minutes. sorry for your confusion
  • 1 0
 @romphaia: it was one track. typically, i was running 24/25 prior. I flatted the first day at 24/25, flatted again at 28 so for reliability (and for the sake of my wheels), I ran 32 that race. it was miserable.
  • 1 5
flag skelldify (Aug 6, 2020 at 15:10) (Below Threshold)
 @downhillbrill: Whatever. It’s kinda bs loading the comments with sponsored riders, anyway.
  • 4 1
 I use the tube version of Tannus because I don't want to be bothered with sealant. I used to be a 40psi rider regardless of where I was riding and am now enjoying riding DH type trails at around 20psi. Plus my arms are really enjoying the reduced vibrations!
  • 6 0
 Will you cross-market with Stan's No Tubes sealant, thereby calling your combo "Stannus"?
  • 3 0
 This is only allowed if they’re made out of tin. #yesachemist
  • 3 0
 @melanthius: We wanted to work with Schwalbe so people could ride Magic Mary's Tannus and Fat Frank's Tannus but no dice yet.
  • 5 1
 not a sealant sponge, but that trough in the center makes me think otherwise. unless it has holes spaced around the circumference for drainage?
  • 10 1
 There are holes every 6” around the insert to allow sealant to move to the outside of the tire while riding. We typically throw an extra oz or two in there for safe keeping, but the holes do the trick!
  • 4 0
 I've been resisting inserts because I don't want the hassle of install but I'm also wanting to leave the 30 psi club.
@Tannus I just bought in. I hope you don't disappoint.
  • 4 0
 We will make you proud Master Dustfarter.
  • 3 0
 @Tannus: I have to say that I love them. Easy to install and they transformed my bike's ride quality. Happy customer indeed.
  • 6 0
 Any comment from Norbs if this would have prevented him from being robbed?
  • 3 0
 Is there a way to get these without paying 50 USD for shipping to Canada?! Seems rich when the shipping cost is the same as the one insert I want.
  • 1 0
 I know of a store that stocks Tannus in the lower mainland. Dont know if they have these though.
  • 12 1
 Call us tomorrow. We’ll get you taken care of. We have ways...
  • 1 0
 @Tannus: taking care = how much $?
  • 25 0
 @ogodude: depends on where in Canada you’re at. We like to help our Canadian friends out. We have to treat you with respect to be able to ride whistler again someday.
  • 3 0
 I might be interested in getting some of these north of the border too.
  • 1 0
 @skiersteve: two of us in Squamish are potentially interested
  • 2 1
 @onemind123: Message us or call us at (385) 227-5393 and we'll get you details. Some of you already messaged us last night, we'll take care of you guys.
  • 1 0
 @nouseforaname: which store?
  • 3 0
 These guys have great customer service. Ordered a set today and they helped out with Canadian shipping headaches.
  • 1 0
 Very interesting. The first Maxxis tire in the video being installed with new Tannus insert is wire bead!!! and not the usual kevlar mantra of tubeless tires. But the PDF you attached here is much more interesting ( that with some laboratory test comparison results). The simplest, cheapest and lightest tire insert The Noodle achieves the same or better results than others especially in dynamic tests. No, it doesn't say everything especially about riding abilities but it's still interesting.
  • 1 0
 My biggest concern with these inserts and the main reason I've yet to try CC or the like is getting nice sidewall cut 8 miles into the ride. I carry a tube and a boot for those instances and that will easily get you going in a few min and in most cases finish the rest of the ride in full stride. I've seen the CC method of trail side tube install and that looks like a pain... especially when you are with a group that is waiting on you to wrestle the tire back on the rim. I'd like to see haw Tannus suggests dealing with tail side repairs. Can you easily install a tube if needed? I don't want to be stuck riding out on a half flat tire. It looks as though Tannus has solved the installation issue... and the numbers seem convincing. But, I need to see this thing fully tested over a season of pretty harsh riding. Side wall cuts happen even on those DH casing, triple layer, Kevlar lined, with tiny bits of panther in them so you know they are good, tires.
  • 1 1
 I’m 30 mins in to the 5 minute install and cannot get these things to get on for the life of me lol

Crank bros synthesis with maxxis assegai / dhr 2

I’ve watched the installation video, I stretched the Armour out a bit before putting it in, used to be a mechanic too. This shit is not easy folks!
  • 1 0
 I found it to install like a second tire (maybe a bit easier). 8 minutes from wheel off the bike to wheel back on.
  • 4 0
 Comparison to cushcore?
  • 4 1
 Cushcore has the XC version now which isn't nearly ad protective as the original and also weighs 150g. Like you I am curious how they compare. I have been really happy with Cushcore XC on my hardtail.
  • 10 4
 I have the CushCore pro. I also have the original Tannus which requires the use of a tube. CushCore has sidewall support when running lower pressure. The Tannus does not. It appears this newer version of Tannus will lack significant sidewall support. Lowering tire pressure is great, but without sidewall support at lower pressure its difficult to corner hard.
  • 11 2
 Check out our Insta story for an in depth comparison vs CC. We’re obviously bias, so take it for what it’s worth. It’s @tannusarmour if you want to check it out
  • 2 2
 @Tannus: post a link. Or put it in the story. Don’t make us dig through your IG feed to find what is actually relevant.
  • 2 0
 @erikkellison: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1756/9757/files/research_devlopment.pdf?v=1596739310 Here's a link to a PDF of a comparison versus CC and several others regarding Rolling Resistance, force to remove from the rim in an impact, vibration damping characteristics, and a few others. This is all on our website now. Enjoy!
  • 1 0
 I just put in a cushcore and I'd say it is hard to beat. Bought a set on sale and about $65/tire with valves. Install was really not that bad, took me about 15 minutes the first time. Very happy with the results. I don't tend to damage rims but wanted the other benefits and to have protection in the rear wheel for the bike park. I'm impressed they are making this one for $50/tire.....maybe will give it a try for another set of wheels.
  • 1 0
 @Tannus: Thank you!
  • 4 1
 Still sticking with my pool noodles
  • 4 0
 Stop playing with your noodle
  • 1 0
 Very interesting product! Like cushcore xc (?) but without the installation hassle.
Too bad they are not available in Europe (???)
  • 2 0
 Coming there shortly. Email the guys at our UK office and they can get you a timeframe.
  • 1 1
 Help me understand how you insert sealant into the tire. It looks like you have to insert it into the lip before you install it, as injecting it into the valve stem would just cause it to float around the inner channel?
  • 5 0
 There are holes every 6" around the insert to allow the sealant to pass from the inner chamber to the outer.
  • 1 0
 When I did my cushcore, I just added sealant before setting in the final part of tire bead. Just like I would any other tire.
  • 1 0
 It makes absolute sense trimming material from the center where is not needed. A legit evolution over previous inserts. Great Job.
  • 1 0
 Surprised not more skepticism of all the hype in the press release. Seem to me to protest a little much with the incessant comparison to CC.
  • 3 1
 still running ghetto tubeless.
  • 1 0
 The original extra layer of rim protection that Enve now copies for their carbon rims.
  • 1 0
 Been so stoked on my older version with tubes. Can’t wait to get my hands on the tubeless version!
  • 1 1
 @Tannus what happens if I put a 27.5 on a 2.8 tire. Is it just less effective or will it not fit? I'm thinking about putting it on an intense tazer with 2.8 on the rear.
  • 1 0
 We've had several of our testers run them on 2.8's and have been nothing but stoked. You should be just fine to run them on a 2.8.
  • 1 0
 @Tannus: thanks!
  • 1 0
 @Tannus :
Looks really good at an acceptable weight penalty.
Wil this be made available in Europe ?
I sure hope so..
  • 2 0
 in your tannus , i'm never flat ...
  • 1 0
 @tannus any plans to start shipping to the rest of the world? Or any distributors in New Zealand?
  • 1 0
 Working on it!! Should be available in Australia/NZ by the end of next month. We're working with a big distributor out there called Bike Corp who has been selling our other stuff for about a year, they should be getting this in relatively quickly!
  • 1 1
 There were 69 comments before mine. Whichever is appropriate because these kind of posts are the marketing equivalent of a major cock tease. Not available outside of NA.
  • 1 0
 Nice.
  • 1 0
 How does the sealant get to the? Holes in the insert? Looks like it would just get held in the insert ??~
  • 4 0
 Tannus replied above on this - there are holes every 6" that allow flow of goop from the inner to the outer.
  • 1 0
 Tried their tube inserts. Claimed design in and for Moab - Didn't survive Moab.
  • 1 0
 And now Reece Wallace lost all his friends because he's not serving six-packs any more.
  • 3 1
 it still does not prevent from sharp rocks side cut's of the tire;
  • 1 0
 Guys I just bought tannus armor with tube !
  • 6 5
 Looks like Tannus has an Annus. Perhaps it fits best in a Maxxis Assegai !
  • 1 0
 A bit harsh, but decent pun.
  • 2 1
 Looks and sounds like the MaxiPad of bicycle parts.
  • 1 4
 I’m 260 getting onto my hard tail. I run tubeless 27.5+ Maxxis tires all day 20psi up front and 24 psi rear. Never had a rim strike or tire rolling issues. These inserts seem unnecessary, how could there be a benefit if I’m so fat already running such low PSIs with no issues? I guess I don’t fly through all that much “chunder”.
  • 3 0
 I guess you'll never know!
  • 2 0
 I'm 5'9 165 pounds and have destroyed 6 alloy wheels in the last 10 months. To say inserts are unnecessary because *you* don't have rim strikes on whatever featureless trails you're riding is silly. You're clearly not the target market. People who benefit from inserts are racers or free riders who regularly push the limits of themselves and their bikes.
  • 1 0
 If they are named after Thanos they must be strong
  • 1 0
 Oh good 3% faster rolling resistance than tubeless...
  • 1 0
 are they available in germany already?
  • 1 0
 How wide are they at the widest point?
  • 1 0
 @LDG Wider than the narrow part!
  • 1 0
 Just bought these, so hard to install
  • 1 0
 You must not have ever had CushCore. I think it's about as fiddly as CC, but without the (relatively small) strength that CC requires.
  • 1 1
 #Sellouts
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