First Look: Specialized 2014 Trail Bikes

Jul 15, 2013
by Matt Wragg  
 
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Sitting at the heart of Specialized's range are their trail bikes. As we said when we tested the Stumpjumper FSR 29 recently, they are the bikes we'd tend to drop into the niche marked "mountain bikes." There are four factors that Specialized say they look at when designing these bikes: Control, fun, speed and options. First and foremost they believe riders want a bike that is easy to live with, so control is vital. Fun and speed are self-explanatory (but we like that they put fun first), then options is about offering a range big enough to suit your riding style and budget. That is why within these two models there are five distinct styles of bikes to choose from. We attended their launch at the Specialized office in Charmes, France, to put the bikes through their paces and have a close look at the entire range.

Camber S-Works

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Most of the attention this year has gone on the 110-millimeter-travel Camber 29er, with a complete re-design of the frame. Sitting at the top of the range, is the drop-dead gorgeous carbon S-Works version. The tube profile is completely new and far more elegant than anything we have seen in their trail range before. The frame looks thin in places, and when we pushed Specialized about how strong it was, they refused to reveal precise numbers. They did, however, admit that the Camber doesn't give up much strength in comparison to the Stumpjumper, as their carbon know-how has progressed in the last three years.

Camber S-Works.
  The S-Works Carbon Camber, $9,250.

At this shorter-travel end of their range, Specialized engineers were able to simplify the Camber’s suspension linkage by using a single, concentric pivot to mate the shock to the chainstays. In the previous version, the linkage was attached to the shock and the stays separately. What you can't see from the outside is that the metal inserts that Specialized once used for the headset and bottom bracket are no more and those areas are molded carbon inside. To keep things clean and tidy, they also added internal cable and seatpost routing. What hasn't changed is the geometry. Specialized stated that they experimented with different options, but decided the numbers of last year’s Camber were already where they wanted it.


Camber Carbon Comp
  The carbon Camber Comp, $3,800.
Camber
  The entry-level Camber, $1,850.

Working down the range; there is the $3,800 regular carbon Camber, which loses the carbon rear-end of the S-Works model, and if you keep going you reach the base model, which will retail at less than $2,000. With the exception of that base model they will all have 15mm through-axles on the fork, Formula brakes down to the Comp-level and, the best news of all, carbon wheels have made it down to the Expert-level bikes this year. All bikes in the Camber range will be available in sizes from small up to X Large and, as before, there is no 26"-wheeled version of the Camber.

Camber EVO

For us, this was the most exciting bike Specialized showed us in Charmes. Here at Pinkbike we like Specialized’s Evo bikes a lot, they don't always make sense in conventional terms, but they are always a lot of fun. The Camber Evo Expert takes the standard carbon Camber frame (without the S-Works carbon rear end, in other words) and adds in the Evo link, which slackens the head angle, lowers the bottom bracket and boosts the travel up to 120mm. To go with the more aggressive geometry is a burlier build kit; out front is a 35mm-stanchioned Rock Shox Pike, the wheels are the tougher, wider Roval Traverse carbon rims and the bar and stem are wider and shorter.

Camber Evo
  The Camber Expert Carbon Evo, $6,000.

With the tweaks, the Camber Evo feels very close to the new Stumpjumper geometry-wise, so if you're asking "what's the point of this bike?" the answer goes back to the first two of the factors Specialized considered when designing these bikes: control and fun. If you are an active rider who likes to play with both the bike and the trail and would take a livelier bike over extra suspension, then this is the ticket for you. We'd have to admit that at the launch this was the bike we made a bee-line for as often as possible...

If the carbon version is out of your budget, there will also be a more affordable base-level Camber Evo with an M5 aluminium frame, Rockshox Reba fork and a mixture of SRAM's X7 and X9 drivetrain components to keep it moving.

Camber geo.

Stumpjumper FSR

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The headline for the Stumpjumper FSR for 2014 is no more 26" wheels, except in the Evo version. While we were surprised to hear the news, once we started to dig deeper we had to admit it simply makes sense. Last year the Stumpjumper FSR 29 outsold the Stumpjumper FSR 26 at a rate of seven to one. You can talk about big-wheeled bandwagons, fashions and propaganda all day, but in the end, it was their customers who made the decision for them. As the attention for development has been focused on the Camber, the updates to the Stumpjumper are subtle. Internal routing for a dropper post has been added and the linkage hardware has been slightly revised to keep it quieter.

SJ S-Works
  The carbon S-Works Stumpjumper. $9,500.

In our recent test of the S-Works version we were wondering how the bike would be with a larger fork like a 34 out front. It seems like Specialized were thinking along the same lines and all of the upper-end bikes now come with the larger Fox 34 instead of the 32 they came with for previous years. For the models that come with Specialized’s proprietary Brain inertia-valve shock system, it has had a few updates. The size of the reservoir has been decreased to save some weight, the adjustment range has been simplified and there is a new trail tune for riders who prefer less input from the system. Like with the Camber, carbon wheels have now trickled down to Expert-level bikes.

Stumpjumper EVO

The Stumpjumper Evo bikes have, of course, benefited from the updates to the regular Stumpjumper. After that there is little to report other than the sexy, silver paintjobs on the Expert versions and that here they are keeping 26" wheels as an option. This is a clear message that Specialized see the value of smaller wheels for riders who are more focused on bike handling and tackling technical terrain. Although we would have to admit that after a few days riding only 29-inch-wheeled bikes, we found that the smaller-wheeled Stumpjumper Evo looked a bit, well, weird by comparison.

SJ Evo
  The carbon S-Works Stumpjumper Evo, $9,000.
SJ 26 Evo
  The 26 inch-wheeled version of the carbon S-Works Stumpjumper Evo, $9,000.

SJ Geo.
SJ 26 Geo.

www.specialized.com

306 Comments

  • + 276
 Look at all the bikes i wont be getting
  • + 51
 Maybe sell the car?
  • + 30
 The entry level camber is pretty affordable....you should get a job, man
  • + 67
 I do the newspapers so it would take a long time...
  • + 57
 Get a McJob. If you're delivering papers, you're probably making less than minimum, which is what you make serving me my junior chicken.
  • + 64
 anyone in need of a liver or left nut?
  • + 231
 I don't usually talk to Liberal Arts majors, but when I do I always ask for large fries.
  • + 33
 Buy a shiny new Spesh and you'll be able to deliver the papers faster!?
  • - 4
 @singletrackslayer slays more than trails...he slays internet trolls as well. Post of the year imo!
  • + 30
 Look at all the bikes I don't want
  • + 4
 Seems like there should be a bike inbetween the entry level and the carbon camber, 2 grand is quite the jump
  • - 33
 $9500 bike ,and it has mechanical brakes , come on this is robbery
Ride it ( the carbon ) how it's supposed to be ridden and it might last 3 years at best
People are just retarded if they spend 10 grand on a bike
  • + 23
 Mechanical brakes? No, those are Formula's, not BB7's or whatever you think they are.
  • + 12
 this is why kids you should study hard to get a good paying job.
  • - 6
 $5000 is to much for a bike , $10,000 shows how smart you really are

I do feel stupid for my brake flub though
  • + 1
 singletrackslayer wins.
  • + 7
 9,250, 9,500, 9,000, 9,000, 6,000,..........$ DANG! $
  • + 13
 $10,000 indeed show how smart you really are. As in being able to get a job that lets you buy good toys.
  • + 1
 Marketing for the 1% , IDE rather ride with my friends
  • + 22
 yes get a high paying so can spend all your time worrying about work and posting comments on pinkbike. then when you're off go for a quick evening spin on your expensive bike. then go home and get back on pinkbike.... very few people with high paying jobs have the time to use bikes like these for the amount of time they deserve. if you are one of the lucky few, quit making us feel bad.
  • + 17
 Doesn't matter what they post here. People just cry. I like looking at 10k bikes, can't particularly afford one but who cares. I am glad they exist, for powerball day.
  • + 6
 Not crying , just don't like the direction the bike market is heading , over engineered , over priced no quality anymore
  • + 0
 I'm smart....
  • + 2
 Ill agree a bit on that chuckbike, but you have to admit, some sick bikes as of the last few years. It's not all bad
  • + 8
 I want a philosophy major, then I can wonder why they want fries with that.
  • - 1
 @jtayabji yo complain about people spending to much time on pinkbike yet you have the longest comment in this conversation
  • + 6
 Even if you don't pre-order them brand new, its cool that manufacturers keep pushing the technology for high end models. Everybody wins. New tech trickles down fast to lower price point bikes, look at a top-of-the-line mtn bike from even 5 yrs ago = you now get all that technology at entry-level. Specialized & PB are going to focus on the higher end models in press releases and articles since thats where the interesting innovation is happening. We can still buy previous year or used or lower-end models to save $.
  • + 1
 @gunners1: these are just a few examples, they will still have a camber comp aluminum for around $2600
  • + 0
 why can't they make the entry level ones carbon as well? the molds would get more use lowering the cost of manufacturing, all the low end road bikes are carbon (well the ones that don't have complete crap on them)
  • + 0
 Not a bad idea...
  • + 0
 Two reasons: main cost is labor, laying it out. Mold is expensive, but not that expensive for a large run. And there is no reason to sell something cheaper when people are forking out $$$ for plastic to save a pound.
  • + 1
 but if you sell a bike with slx on it in carbon people will ditch other brands and buy it... profit
  • + 3
 Pricing is not based on what is the best value for the customer. It is based on what business can get away with to maximize profit.

Want good value? Buy a frame you like from reputable company and all the kit online and build it. For bikes above midrange it is a better value and exactly the kit you want.
  • + 5
 10,000 is ridiculous for a bike, it's getting stupid, 5,700 bought you the top of the range Enduro S-works back in 2006, the prices simply havent increase with inflation
  • + 0
 Maybe im missing something here but are they painting their carbon bikes silver to look like metal whilst other companies are using double pass welds to give the appearance of carbon?
  • - 1
 It isn't expensive for them to lay a mold at all , there cost per hr. per slave are about $4 per hr. if that so that's bullshit is all I'm saying , the carbon fibre being used today is garbage too, high grade materials are a thing of the past , every thing is low grade at best except in certain areas , they can make a boat load of money and still keep costs down , this goes for all manufacturing , nothing gets passed on to the cunsumer , @ dark star , the R+D is def there , the designs are awesome these days if only we could get more companies to pass the buck
  • + 1
 In this case prices are not set by the manufacturing costs, on a growing business like MTB the overall demand is so high that pricing is set by how much the seller can push the buyer to pay, we are actually lucky that Spesh has big competitors, if Trek or Giant werent there I can assure you prices would actually be between 15 to 30% higher.
  • - 1
 In this case prices are not set by the manufacturing costs, on a growing business like MTB the overall demand is so high that pricing is set by how much the seller can push the buyer to pay, we are actually lucky that Spesh has big competitors, if Trek or Giant werent there I can assure you prices would actually be between 15 to 30% higher.
  • - 2
 In this case prices are not set by the manufacturing costs, on a growing business like MTB the overall demand is so high that pricing is set by how much the seller can push the buyer to pay, we are actually lucky that Spesh has big competitors, if Trek or Giant werent there I can assure you prices would actually be between 15 to 30% higher.
  • - 2
 In this case prices are not set by the manufacturing costs, on a growing business like MTB the overall demand is so high that pricing is set by how much the seller can push the buyer to pay, we are actually lucky that Spesh has big competitors, if Trek or Giant werent there I can assure you prices would actually be between 15 to 30% higher.
  • + 0
 In this case prices are not set by manufacturing costs, on a growing business like MTB the overall demand is so high that pricing is set by how much the seller can push the buyer to pay, we are actually lucky that Spesh has big competitors, if Trek or Giant werent there I can assure you that prices woud actually be between 15 to 30% higher
  • + 2
 Bought a 2007 Spesh Stumpy S-Works for 1200. Cracked the frame...month later I have 2011 sworks. Piece of art IMO. Love it all I need a new fork to replace busted TALAS fork that's 6 yrs old.
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  • + 61
 26, marketing bastards, twentysix!!!!
  • + 1
 Have you ever ridden a larger wheel... They're great for certain things. Like pedaling uphill.
  • + 15
 but they suck for jumps and general thrashing. but us dh types are in the minority of the market.
  • + 3
 no problems DH;ing my TranceX 29er, 1 bike endless possibility
  • + 8
 pedaling uphill? Oh, that thing that l never do.
  • + 14
 Look at the new Intense 650B DH frame, they do amazing things.

You have to understand Pinkbike is funded by the companies that you see in the sidebar, this is because those companies want their bikes reviewed and launches covered and seen by the masses. Chances are, those companies want the market to see their carbon pinner trail bikes, new bike offerings (hence the extensive 650B coverage) and high end products. You probably won't see a review for a Specialized crosstrail anytime soon, or even a Hardrock, because they want the market to buy higher-end bikes and purchase the next best thing. Everything, especially marketing, which pinkbike is a major player in, is based on increasing sales.
  • - 1
 "They're great for certain things. Like pedaling uphill".... yes but that is the ONLY thing they are good at. I live for big backcountry rides, but I don't want my bike to be my limiting factor when it comes to ripping a good downhill. I sold my full suspension 29er because I had to ride slower on the downhills, and it sucked for jumping.
  • + 2
 And then came 650B.
  • - 4
 I'm with you man I really am but the it's been proven that on a any style of loop you'll gain more time in the climb than you will in the dh.

"They're great for certain things. Like pedaling uphill".... yes but that is the ONLY thing they are good at. I live for big backcountry rides, but I don't want my bike to be my limiting factor when it comes to ripping a good downhill. I sold my full suspension 29er because I had to ride slower on the downhills, and it sucked for jumping."
  • + 2
 Did nino not win an xc round on a 650b, and he is the man. Many find looks important and I personally find the 29ers above not so pleasing on the eye. As 650b though is cyclocross... so that gotta make sense as it did when cyclocross was invented.
  • + 0
 Umm who says 29ers can't mosh. Keene will scrub harder than anyone posting here can scrub on a 26. All of your baseless 29er rants mean nothing. Now go watch this video.

m.pinkbike.com/news/Curtis-Keene-Shreds-BCs-Best-MTB-Trails-video-2013.html
  • + 5
 have you ever ridden a 26? theyre great for stuff like having fun
  • + 3
 If I wanted a Specialized for pedalling uphill I'd buy a Tarmac or Roubaix. Moreover it looks ugly, I look at the bike and the only thing I can see are two huge wheels and some components squeezed between them.
  • + 8
 Listen, if you don't have the American flag in front of your name your opinion doesn't matter. Go back to eating waffles and fried chicken.Ohh wait. Those are our people.Typically from the Southeast portion of the country. I meant fish and chips. That's what you people eat. Shitty Food. Just like shitty fighters when it comes to fighting wars. The United States of America is god gift to cycling, road cycling, mountain cycling, and uni-cycling. We do it better than anybody. We have Lance Armstrong who killed cancer and then killed any rider that tried to beat him.

These bikes are so awesome and if you don't like them its because you are probably from France or worse French Canadia. God gave us 29ers so we didn't have to ride 26 inch wheels like the homosexuals and hipsters. 29 inch wheels are so strong you can do huge airs like bunny hops and wheelies. They are so awesome I cant believe people don't like them. Do you think I'm crazy? I just don't know why you people cant just get over 650b. Sadam Hussein invented them to draw us apart. If you ride 650b the terrorists win. Is that what you want? I would rather you ride a 26er like the homosexuals and the hipsters than ride something that comes from a godless crazy terrorist.

When I look at the bikes above a few things come to mind. Eagles, fireworks, daisy duke shorts on a red head with a Daddy issue, big fake breasts, and of course the before mentioned fired chicken and waffles. Not any of those Belgian waffles. Them really skinny ones you get at Waffle House that might as well be pancakes. The only difference is they have all the pockets to hold syrup. We need to have unity. We can all agree that 650b is terrorist non-sense. UNITY B*TCH*ES.
  • + 4
 ..and clementz just won mega on a 26. plenty of room on the mtn for every wheel size.
  • + 3
 adamrice868 FTW forever with that post
  • + 4
 Fish and chips... we eat Haggis and are all ginger did you not know.
  • - 12
 adamrice868 YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TOO ALL MY AMERICAN FRIEND, GO Play with ourself, oh and please fuck OFF!!! from your northern friends. GO BUY GUN or SOMETIME and just put an end to it!!
  • + 2
 Adam Rice, you sir are a Murican, thru and thru! Stick it to those carp eating, 26er pushing, ginger Arab sons o' bitches and speak the truth brotha! F-It lets bust out the 32's you can purchase at your local wally world and start the real 2-wheeled revolution.

And trialstar, Your CAPS LOCK button is obviously engaged. You better watch your tone girl and use your inside voice, before we kick that puppy dog ass outside. Does spell check not exist in communist Canadia?
  • + 1
 That made me giggle
  • + 3
 Take your small wheeled 32 and bust out the 36. She will mow you down.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYt6IqaHk_Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfYt6IqaHk_Q
  • + 2
 Holy mother of Allah himself. Fuck everything, except that wheel size!
  • + 1
 Betsie, I had a sneaking suspension that you came from a country of gingers. While in America we find Gingers to be slightly less desirable than brunettes and blondes. Unless you are the aforementioned red head in daisy duke shorts, with big fake breasts and daddy issues. We do find those those quiet desirable. But desirable like 29inch inch bikes, just good for throwing a leg over and riding hard far a couple hours. While I have never rode anything but motorized transportation device for longer than an hour. I don't want any confusion about my manliness. It certainly sounds enjoyable. Enjoyable like shooting bottle rockets off at your Liberal Art degree having neighbors Prius. While I do find toyota to make quality vehicle, there is something about that Prius I just don't like. While I don't have all my facts properly in order yet. I will tell you those Prius' remind me of them dang 650b bicycles. I would venture a guess Sadam, or Barrack Osama has something to do with them. Maybe not thought. I am still in the preliminary research phase. But I got distracted. I would be willing to hang out with you and ride bikes, heck It wouldn't matter if we were on moped, bicycles, or penny-riles. I'm sure we could have a good time together. We may even become dare I say "Besties", Betsie.
  • - 1
 The Prius is a solid vehicle you close minded diesel driving hillbilly fuck! But I do have to agree. There is nothing more perfect in this world than a hot and bothered red head coed with daddy issues, dancing on the bar in a Coyote Ugly saloon shaking her chest handles for eye love from strangers. Proud to be an Murican!
  • + 4
 Enough about all that though, this is a forum for cycling. Not politics. Which is why I don't understand why the Man named Dan that likes to look at Stars from the side of the Trail got so upset. While I do enjoy playing with myself. Which is a perfectly healthy thing to do. However I don't own any guns, so I cannot take part in that activity. They just don't do much for me. Personally. What I am not sure about in what order do you want me to do all these things in. Do i masturbate then f*ck off. Or do I "BUY GUN or SUMETIME and just put an end to it!!" is that you telling me to commit suicide? Well I would never commit that act, I find it very distasteful and cowardly. Also I bet your American Friend would like hanging out with me much more than you. I can assure you of that. I am one of the funnest people in like a 150 mile radius ask my friends. They will tell you my nickname is Adam "Fun" Rice. It's not much but it's something.
  • + 0
 props, adamrice868. great post and responses. we're gonna need more beer.
  • + 1
 adamrice868 I want some of whatever you are tooting. And then let's go ride bikes.
  • - 3
 well.. you got me being only 15 yrs of age anf french, you are the best americen out here. you so fun and funny, and write big long posts wow i want too too whar are we talking aboot.? have another beer f*gy Americano
  • - 3
 PS ill be in Dorango next week $$$ laughthing my brains out with your girlfriend if you have any friends, boy.
  • - 2
 PS i'm following you ADAMRICE868
  • - 2
 then...we go to Paris (french axe)
  • + 2
 Am i the only one that doesn't have the first clue what these Americans are going on about...
  • + 1
 Unfortunate move for Specialized. I have rode 29ers and they are great bikes for rolling fast and smoothing out trails. But they will never have the quickness and excitement of a 26" wheel. I have been a pretty big fan of my 26" Specialized Stumpjumper FSR but it looks like my next bike will be something other than a Specialized. Maybe a company that isn't bucking the idea of having a number of different wheel sizes for all their customers. 27.5"?
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  • + 32
 boring. let's see the new Konas
  • - 1
 new entourage is spec'd poopy and no dj bikes. process bikes are looking sweeeeeeeet though.
  • - 6
 New konas are breaking in the same place as old ones. My buddy's just broke one a week in.
  • + 7
 Then your buddy should try riding smoothly.
  • + 3
 @taletotell ur friend must have gotten a bad frame, shit happens no matter who makes it, try making thousands of bikes with no margin for error, its impossible
  • - 2
 It just seemed crazy. He got the entourage to be his trail bike. He races DH on a Spesh and wanted something for the trails. He is a very smooth rider but he goes pretty big, which is why he didn't get something lighter and more trail focused. Now he is riding a Giant, which was funny because I know of several snapped giants too...
  • + 2
 Did anyone catch Kona's mockery of stupid acronyms in the Operator's highlights on the right hand column.... These Dropouts are Hollow- TDaH.... Smile
www.konaworld.com/operator.cfm
  • - 1
 @tale, Your "friend" doesn't seem to understand the concept of "the right tool for job". If he's doing big gaps regularly on a TRAIL bike, he's probably gonna break it. If he doesn't understand that, he has bigger problems.
  • + 1
 It's a freeride. It is the right bike for freeriding. Not to mention there is nothing bigger than five feet in the woods where he was riding the first week he got the bike and it snapped.
www.pinkbike.com/news/Kona-Entourage-Tested-2012.html
I had a Dawg and my brother had a coiler at one point and a stinky six at another. I know a kid who loves his coiler. In all cases these bikes have held up fine to the light FR they put them through, but if one in a thousand has a major fail then one in a thousand riders could get seriously mangled, and a headtube snap it pretty major.
  • + 1
 for that evil frame, how does that even happen
  • + 1
 evil got crashed, look at the fork
  • + 2
 @tale, I guess he's got a warranty request for Kona.
  • + 1
 Sold the new frame and bought a giant. I guess crap happens, I just had immediate thoughts of how it busted exactly the same as they used to, and right after reading that Kona interview in which the Kona rep skillfully avoided confronting the questions about the old busted frames.
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  • + 13
 So long 26 " bikes. That really sux!!! I've just gone through all the big mtb brands looking for a 26" frame and no one doing them anymore, but i managed to get a IBIS MOJO HD (BEST BIKE EVER)
  • + 4
 Need you have gone any further? Brilliant bike and fantastic geo. And if you want 650B, you could have bought the HDR too.
  • + 1
 they've put too much money into marketing huge wheels to leave the option open.
  • + 5
 Transition Bandit 26" Possibly one of the best short travel trail bikes out there
  • + 2
 Word on the street is that Ibis is redesigning the swingarms so you can put one on your MOJO HD, run 26" (w/o changing geometry), or run 650b. So all you folks with MOJO HD's, rather than pony up for an HDR, wait for the new swingarm.

Of course, you still need to buy a different fork, wheels, and shock - but such is the price of chasing the latest and greatest...
  • + 1
 The mojo hd.... what a bike, shame I bought a nomad before trying one.
  • + 3
 definitely agreed on the TR bandit. 150 fork up front and a dropper post, it's just fun... not the fastest uphill or downhill, but I don't race, so who gives a damn...
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  • + 8
 @bigwillyhillbilly

the bulk of the MTB market (riders riding off-road) are actually riding XC / Trail bikes, that is where the money is to be made for company like Specialized

in fact the bulk of their sales is road bikes, which completely outsell their MTBs!


a very small minority is riding DH and FR.....
  • + 5
 some of us live near hills and mountains though, mr dirt-roadie
  • + 0
 D0c0ne: Zen masters say that realizing your own insignificance is extremely liberating... And relaxing... Most of money is made in cities by average, big cities tend to be established near rivers, surrounded by farmlands = vast majority of Spec clients come from cities. By average mountaineous areas have much smaller density of population (comparing to sea shores for instance)

So you live on the mountains? Good for you, we in cities envy you... Even if we live 2h drive from mountains we have less than 2h for riding in total, so we prefer to spend it in the saddle. most of us drop dreams of riding DH bikes after less than 5 years of being into riding, and buy trail bike... So bike companies like us a bit more... So sorry they don't care for you
  • + 5
 plus trail riding is soo in right now
  • + 1
 WAKIdesigns, you must move to Pittsburgh PA then ... you have crazy busy city, surround and built on mountains Wink ... plenty of riding here, trails and non-blazed trails.
  • + 1
 @d0c0ne

I am a dirt-roadie for sure Wink


this morning before work? I rode my mountain bike about 20 miles around the trails in my local woods in NW London

ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7388491/p4pb7388491.jpg

this evening? I rode my road bike about 40 miles on the roads above where I live in NW London

ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb9840996/p4pb9840996.jpg

no complaints from me? its all bikes and both bikes are made by specialized (Stumpjumper Expert Carbon 29'er and Tarmac Comp)
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  • + 7
 For me people nowadays don't care about learning MTB skills. They just want a bike that is easy to ride and does everything for them. That's why 29ers are so popular for the average Joe. I'm tired of meeting people on the trails that just sit and pedal and can't even roll over a log. Soon there will be electric bikes so you don't even need to pedal anymore. We, PB readers who want a 26er to shred the trails are minority.
  • + 2
 where do you draw the line though? I ride a dual suspension, hydraulically braked, dropper post equipped trail destroying bike, with modern and awesome tyres. I have fairly good bike handling skills, but the bike helps a lot! 29er wheels are no different. people have to start somewhere and if you make it easier to get into something, more people will! which is better for the sport in the long run. offer to ride with the guys who just sit and pedal and see if you can help them improve, or check in when they've been riding as long as you have and see if they still do sit down, or if they burn past you on their wagon wheel uber bike...
  • + 1
 I agree that 29ers help people get into the sport. I'm just saying some people are too lazy. Learn to ride too! And nothing against 29ers overall, but soon 26ers will be gone and that's not good.
  • + 1
 my guess is give 12mths and those clown wheels will be dead on AM bikes...
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  • + 8
 They make such a big deal about the taco front derailure on the Enduro 29, but yet they dont utilize it on any other bike. I wanted a cheaper, more available 16.5 chainstay Camber or Stumpjumper.
  • + 2
 Looks at first glance like new spec and Bold New Graphics for the stumpjumpers, and not a frame redesign. If they really did redesign new swingarms, lack of taco blade and shorter CS is strange.
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 Seriously. Super turbo hype about a bike that probably could get away with half-inch LONGER chainstays, and these bikes which will actually dance around tight singletrack are left with dragster length stays.

Oh well, next year/spring 2014 we'll see the same enduro stuff get on the camber, and it'll be HOOJ NOOZ.
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 These bikes would ride better with shorter chainstays. Specialized has the ability to make these bikes with shorter chainstays, but so far is only doing it with the enduro series, which really doesn't need 16.7" chainstays, as it could stand to sacrifice low speed ability for high speed stability.

When specialized does change their mind and change these bikes, it'll be front page news.
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 put a bike that's a touch steeper head angle like these, with a chainstay as short as the one on the enduro, they'd be fecking terrifying to ride.. super twitchy and no weight ahead of the axle (they'd manual well though...)
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 No, Spesh did not make a big deal out of front mech. Everyone else did. Lots of smart engineers from big companies said that 29ers can't be made as long travel bikes because of no room for front mech, and tyre under the seat tube. That was freaking ridiculous and if I was a bike engineer few years in the business I would be ashamed to say such a stupid thing. Spec just proved them stupid, now everyone else sits and designs their own LT 29ers
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 "we found that the smaller-wheeled Stumpjumper Evo looked a bit, well, weird by comparison" 26 stumpy evo looks better than a step ladder with cart wheels!!!
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 The 29ers look weird
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 Spend enough time around them and 26" look like kids bikes.
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 I am an adult from 9 to 5. So let me be a kid ripping up the trails after work. Better that than an old guy riding up fast for strava then coming down slowly to set another climb time on strava. Lol
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 Its not that I hate 29ers just a time and a place, just didn't agree with the pinkbike comment nothing against the big SBC. I actually took a bike with 26" wheels out the other day and was still able to have fun and ride fairly fast, Think people are getting caught up with going faster, I kind of like feeling the lumps and bumps in a trail!! Its just nice that specialized have the sense to offer people the option.
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 If you buy a bike for how it looks, fair enough, go that way. I prefer to choose a bike on how it handles. They may start to look strange if everyone else is riding wagon wheels, but they wont feel strange when I get to the turning bit and want to have some fun.
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 At least there is one 26" left!!!
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 Remember when the ultimate counter argument by 29er defenders was "No one is forcing you to ride 29, if you don't like it - don't ride it". Can't say that anymore...
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 The thing is with all these 29ers they have not got a f*cking clue what trails out side the US are like, great for US bikeparks that are like f*cking motorways but you get them in rocky techy tight bridleways or tight woodland in the UK you have a bike that toooo fooking long LOL.

And I own 2 spesh bikes! They want to get there arses away from trail centres / big open US trails once in a while Specialized and look around If I tried riding these on some trails I'd end up wrapped round the trees FFS
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 DieNoctuque.....yes. Most 29 riders are a clueless about real trails. However, there are plenty of awesome trails and riders here in the US. Most of the East coast US riders are used to trails very similar to UK trails. Wet, rooty, muddy, techy. Specialized is the brand is sort of going to way of a pansy brand. Ha!
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 I ride a 29er fine on UK trails. It's actually better than my 26" bikes were, as the bigger wheels soak up the bumps and ruts better.
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 What ever floats your boat. But 29er's just are not as maneuverable or agile/fun as a 26 to me.
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 the US definitely has tech and gnar trails...please check your facts. i'm not saying US is the #1 bike park destination, but it's definitely not as you describe it
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 they don't have a clue what trails outside the US are like? the press camp was in France! and I guess you've ridden every trail and bike park in the US cause you seem to know quite a bit about them.
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 bman33 - 29ers aren't as maneuverable or agile as 26ers to EVERYONE!! It's physics!
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 Ever ridden an XL or XXL 26" bike? Way, way worse handling than a 29er of a similar size.
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 "East coast US riders are used to trails very similar to UK trails. Wet, rooty, muddy, techy. "

Ever ridden the PNW lol?
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 First of all, these bikes aren't built for "US bike parks that are like motorways". They're built to tackle tight, windy singletrack. Rocks and roots are what I ride on the East Coast here, and if I wasn't so damn short a 29er would be perfect for it.

I know guys who ride trails I'm terrified of on 29ers
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 OK - there are already some responses here, but DieNoctuque you need to take your bike and venture beyond your island and European neighbors. Over the years, I've been lucky enough to ride in various places across the US - East Coast, Mountain West, California, and now the Pacific Northwest. Somehow, I've missed the motorways you refer to, but I have found lots of awesome, steep, technical terrain, endless singletrack, and in more recent years, built trails that will challenge the best riders. Even if Specialized only tested and developed product based on trails available in the US, which clearly is not the case, I'm pretty sure they'd have plenty of terrain and riding styles to sample.
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 Hold on guys, here's DieNoctuque riding in a bike park in the UK:
www.pinkbike.com/photo/9716800
A nice wide smooth trail, kind of like the mythical bike parks over here
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 so...all 29rs...id rather build a sick devinci carbon trail bike...waaayyyy less than 9k... the cheap one is affordable but yeah... not sold on 29rs
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 29ers CLIMB really well and are great for XC riding... and that's about all that they do well. Jumps and quick changes in direction at high speed... are not something 29ers are good at.
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 true but these bikes aren't quite made for that
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 ...and that's why they are boring.
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 Why do you think they can't change direction at high speed?
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 Have you ridden a Ripley. Same WB as an HD and chain stays at 17.5 and a shorter WB than and HD.
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 open your mind lol. maybe actually try riding a 29er that isn't made for xc. and as for them climbing really well, that isn't about wheel size...
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 Too late, I just bought a GT!
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 hey at least they're winning something, ZING!
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 why are bikes so expensive.. i thought we made them in china to be cheaper.. oh yeah it is cheaper which means more profit for the owner.. silly me.. well it looks like i will never own one of these.. haha
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 I was worried i was going to regret buying a 2013 26 SJ, thank god I got the 26 SJ when I did
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 i just threw up in my mouth a bit. this is an atrocity. most people only want to have one bike. ok maybe in places like BC you need to have more than one but in most places one bike can do everything. especially if its a stumpy equipped with a brain. to assume that the only people who "are more focused on bike handling and tackling technical terrain" are people who want the EVO model is criminal. specialized if you are listening. 2015 there needs to be a 2-6 stumpy with the brain. i dont care if its an s-work spec or if its an elite spec. that platform needs to exist.
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 Expect to see 650b on 2015 specialized bikes, hence the drop of 26" in all their line-ups. As apprehensive as I was to the tweener size, I will admit that I am finally coming around to the idea. A stump evo 27.5 would be sick, and a heck of a lot more fun and similar feeling than a 29" bike.
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 i hope you are right good sir. i am optimistic that i could do some damage on my local trails running 650b. but 2-9 is just too much
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 wow really? "Last year the Stumpjumper FSR 29 outsold the Stumpjumper FSR 26 at a rate of seven to one"
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 Maybe that's because last year in Canada there were 8 SJ FSR 29' model available, vs 4 in 26'... OK, ok, it's only 1 for 2... But a dealer told me that the 26 were sold out very quickly and there was no resupply...
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 "Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination." -Vin Scully
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 It is all marketing, they are killing off the 26" to drop the 650b stumpy in 2015. Sad sad sad.
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 and every specialized shop i went into looking to try out a stumpy 26 or stumpy evo 26 only carried 29ers. So the newjack going into the shop looking for help buying a mountain bike prob got directed towards the 29er, and ill also bet that they trusted the salesmans advice at a rate of 7 to 1.
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 People on pinkbike love the 26" wheel size and ALSO love to complain the bikes reviewed are too expensive. Meanwhile out in the real world those of us spending money on new bikes are buying bigger wheels. The website is just reviewing accordingly to the actual larger buying public, not the fringe minority who live in the past and post comments on web forums.
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 I call bullshit on that and I call bullshit on their stats and I call bullshit on "they're offering choice and choice is good".

Correlation does not imply causation. More people buying something doesn't make that thing better and it doesn't make the people who buy the other stuff retarded as you seem to be implying.

I wasn't too fond of the anti-29er conspiracy theories and more on the "let people decide what they want to buy" bandwagon as I really don't give a f*ck about what people ride, at all. The thing is the spesh shop here only sells 29'ers now and it's like that in most shops. Where the f*ck is the choice in that? And then you get the PR people feeding the circlejerk making inane statements about how many 29ers people buy compared to 26ers. No shit sherlock, you can't even buy a 26er if you wanted! That's dishonest at best... I was skeptical when people said they were phasing out 26ers on purpose but I guess they were right.

Around here, you see all the 29ers fans on the perfectly manicured trails with zero rocks and zero roots that can't ride any sort of slightly technical terrain to save their life. That's ok, there's nothing bad about being a casual rider. Then you go to places with moderately technical terrain and it's MASSIVE 26er domination.

People mostly buy 29ers because they want to stay on the easy side of things and they got no need for a burly bike. I got no problems with that but don't say they're better bikes because they're not.
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 Massive domination by 29er bikes at the North Shore Enduro series this year...on gnarly trails.
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 Amen, PLCO7. I got nothin against 29ers as well, but it does bother me that the shops offer nothing else. I'm not very tall, I like to ride steep terrain, and I'm hard on wheels... All good reasons for me to be in the market for a 26... I'll settle for 27.5, but I still want choice, and I know I'm not the only one that fits this description.
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 Shops offer what is available AND what sells... catering only to the handful of customers who won't buy a 650B or 29er isn't going to keep a shop open when they could instead be catering to the hundreds who will. Specialized dealers who stopped ordering in 26er models probably did so because the ones they previously ordered, just sat around collecting dust and then had to be blown out at a discount at the end of the season.
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 PLC07 is absolutely correct. You can't make a sales forecast based on what was sold a year ago if there are confounding variables at play. Case studies have shown that it is possible for products to be fazed out by weak sales and marketing efforts, not weak demand. Shelf space sells. not to add more gas to the 29 v. 26 debate, but at 5'9" I'm just too short to have fun on a 29er. for me, and I would imagine most people my size, 26" is where it's at. I tried to like 29ers, I really did. in fact I own one that I don't ride anymore. faster or not, i just feel like a couch potato on it.
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 It makes sense Specialized sold 29ers 7:1 because they manufactured, stocked, and convinced consumers at least at that ratio. I was at bunch of shops on both E and West coast in US last yr and confirm same thing as you guys: all of sudden shops don't carry 26" Specialized. Unless you are really into biking most people don't custom order bikes they get something in stock at the shop.. At 5'7" I also agree 29" bikes don't work as well for shorter riders.
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 Yes but brands have discontinued PRODUCING 26er models AFTER consumers made the decisions, with their wallets, to stop buying them. Most brands were behind the curve when it came to 29ers and as a result lots of dealers of those brands got stuck with stock nobody was buying, and shoppers switched to other brands that offered 29ers. Now with 650Bs no manufacturer except apparently Specialized wants to be behind the curve again and are rushing into 650B full speed.
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 deeeight your well know for your passion for the bigger wheels, but don't kid yourself that the demise of the 26 has solely been driven by demand.
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 there is nothing wrong with 26, 27.5, or 29. it's all good. @deeeight- physics of marketing meets the marketing of physics. the day i can ride even with a sam hill/chris kovarik on 26s and flats will be the day i will look into 650b to give me that 1.5" "edge" that will allow me to destroy 'em & their 26 skills!
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 Consumers made a decision? When I was shopping in 2011 for a 2012 bike, it was pretty much all 26ers on the floor. When 2012 hit, the only 26ers available were the left overs from 2011. How can consumers phase out a wheel size before it even hits the market?

I don't care if people prefere 29ers, more power to all of you but too many things just don't add up.
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 Yes... well that's because manufacturers base their production a year or two AHEAD which is why we see 2014 models before the year 2013 is even half over. And sales have been dwindling on 26ers ACROSS the nation for several years now.
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 In 2012 I talked to a PR guy of a well known bike company. He told me they had the 2015 line figured out already and brands like sram/shimano warns them about 3-5 years in advance of major changes (new standards and the such).

So if I understand you correctly, to counter a decline in mountain bicycle sales, the industry decided to orient production towards 29ers around 2008 instead of 2011, back when I bet most riders never even heard of 29ers.

This argument does not play in your favor.
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 Most riders? Who are these most riders who never heard of 29ers in 2008 ? The wheelsize had been in the production run of EVERY major brand by that time for a year or more. Niner bikes had already been in business a couple years themselves and EVERY bicycle magazine was reviewing them almost monthly. You live in a small little segment of the bike world, population 1.... YOU.
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 First 29er I ever saw in a shop was in 2010. I'm probably not a good sample but for the average rider, I don't think many got to ride a 29er back in 2008 when the industry decided to favor the production of 29ers due to "popular demand". Hell I remeber reading that gary fisher was the first big manufacturers to offer a line of 29ers and it didn't really take off until the end of the 2000s.

You might have read every bit of information released on 29ers for years but what you see in magazines is not what happens in in real life. I've been seeing carbon frames being reviewed all the time for years now and I have seen so few AM/DH carbon frames on the trails that I can count them on my fingers.
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 I already owned a 29er two years before that and I got a GT and they were one of the late brands to the size. Fisher/Trek had had them in their lineup since 2001/2002. Oryx (a now discontinued brand owned by Procycle, who also owns Rocky Mountain) had a model in 2003/04/05. Surly was offering the karate monkey 2005 or earlier. You seem to be remembering this small town version of bicycle history and not the real world that the rest of us are living in.
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 I got into the sport in 2007, and the shop I bought my bike from, in the heart of North Vancouver, didn't have any 29ers. If they did, it was on a commuter.
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 Or they only dealt brands that were late to 29ers. In ottawa and the immediate surrounding areas within twenty mins drive, in 2007, you could walk into ten different dealers to find a 29er. By 2009 there were at least five dealers you could get a 650b from if you asked for one (as we had haro, jamis and khs dealers). Its 2013 now, and its time to stop yearning for the old days when twenty sixers ruled.
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 2007 A lot of big brands still didn't have any 29er models (ie, they were late to the game) including Specialized, Giant, and Norco. But besides Gary Fisher and Niner, we had Voodoo, Surly, Salsa, Jamis, Haro, KHS, Kona,Turner, Ventana, Lenz, Cannondale, GT, DeKerf, Ellsworth, Orbea, Intense, Redline, Spot, Vicious Cycles, and I could keep going on but I think I've made the point. If the dealers in North Vancouver didn't stock any, they obviously were still keeping their heads in the sand trying to ignore the wheel size like Specialized was at the time, hoping it was just a passing fad. How well did that work out for them ?

I know of at least one Ottawa dealer who at the time swore blind that the market for ANY higher end mountain bikes was dead altogether (like over $1500 retail) especially XC bikes, and until we who worked there FINALLY convinced him to start ordering some Elements in, he would have kept on believing that except we sold 7 elements in one year when the year before he sold none at all (because he didn't stock any). If dealers run their businesses badly and don't stock what people want, people will shop elsewhere to get what they want.
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 Deeeight= "Or they only dealt brands that were late to 29ers. In ottawa and the immediate surrounding areas within twenty mins drive, in 2007, you could walk into ten different dealers to find a 29er. By 2009 there were at least five dealers you could get a 650b from if you asked for one (as we had haro, jamis and khs dealers). Its 2013 now, and its time to stop yearning for the old days when twenty sixers ruled."

You live in Onterible where the biking is flat with small rolling hills so yes in your small little world 29ers rule on those boring trails. In BC and places that have real mountains the 26er is the weapon of choice. Please get off your high horse.
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 I have no problem with 24", 26", 650b, 29", 32" wheel sizes. All wheel sizes will meet the needs of different sized riders. I have a friend that is 6.7 and had a custom build Zinn fully 26er (best bike at the time for his size). Even with the custom frame the wheels were just a too small for him. He now has a 29er and it fits him like a glove. I have small Asian friend who is 4.8 and rides a stinky 24 and it fits him great. I am 5.8 and ride very aggressively and a 26er fits me like a glove. Wheel sizes should be used to meet the needs of riders. What I did not like is having a wheel size shoved down my throat. I have demoed a few 29ers, of them the Stumpy 29er felt the best but still did not work for my size and riding style.
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 ^agree. why take a way a legitimate relative choice? taller riders have a choice in fit finally with 29 but smaller riders are now gonna be asked to compromise when the technology is in place and thriving? is there a genetic experiment going on that's gonna turn all of us "average"? haha.
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 Have you not paid attention to what people are riding NOW, In BC, and the north shore? Its a whole lot of 29ers... when the freeride gods of the sport all love their 29ers now... perhaps its time for you to realize that nobody shoved anything down their throats. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to stop riding a 26er over a 650B or 29er. But stop being a complete prick to people who like to ride them please. Its folks like you that are why pinkbike has such a poor reputation among cyclists as a whole.
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 When have I been rude to someone who rides one? or said something rude about peoprl who ride 29ers?

As for the freeride gods, they are paid to ride what ever bike their sponsor tells them.
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 i think agnostic was referring to companies possibly and apparently some already not offering 26 as a choice. That may be the "gun" he is talking about, which, is a legitimate point. one could interpret taking a choice away as a shove, couldn't they? preferences and choices are obviously not exclusive to each other and that's just the way it is. didn't know pinkbike had such a poor reputation among cyclists, either. As a dad still riding 20s and 26s and having left the road racing scene(which is not all that "reputable") to find dirt again, i would say the kids here are alright.
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 Settle down, deeeight. Nobody is attacking you or your boring mountains. Enjoy your 29, I might enjoy one one day too. But not on gnarly downhills, probably just on my more relaxed rides that involve more climbing and less airtime.
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 And that same bike shop is doing just fine today
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 @Deeeight

Yes and the freeride gods all rode their 29ers at the rampage. Cam zink did his 80ft backflip huck on a 29er. Those farm dudes jumping the 100ft jump are also riding 29ers. Macaskill swears by his 29er and so does Chris Akrigg while Bender also hucks 50feet to flat on his 29er. Don't forget all those hard chargers in PODs/VODs on 29ers. You're deluded.

Our only point is that 29ers do not fit everybody's trails or riding style (or height). Nobody said they're garbage and do not have their place. The 26er crowd is angry because when the 29ers came in, everyone who showed varying degrees of skepticism were told "Relax, it's not phasing out 26ers, everybody gets to ride whatever they want, it's only one more option and options are good, everybody wins" and as the years go by, 26ers ARE obviously getting phased out by multiple brands and some of the people who "asked for acceptance" of the 29ers are now being condescending (those who weren't already) to those who ride a "lesser" wheelsize. All that while completely dismissing the applications where 26ers are most likely best suited with half truths and bogus arguments. If that's not shoving it down our throats then I don't know what is.

No offense to you deeeight, I always admired your bike history knowledge and I always counted on you to retify bogus historical claims but when you say "stop being a complete prick to people who like to ride them please" maybe you should take your own advice in regard of people who prefere 26ers as you now embody exactly what people hate about pinkbike, except that you're the 29er version of it.
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 Really? And what do you expect is going to be the treatment of these morons who come into reviews about 29ers and 650B models only to whine about them not being 26ers?
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 Ok so to balance it out you're going to be just as dumb as they are? That's what I meant by "you've become who you hate".

I'm out.
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 @deeeight: You know what, I've been thinking about it and I feel I might have made a crucial mistake. I really feel like the 26ers are better than 650b/29ers. They jump/huck/trick/manuals/handle better while still pedal good and probably corner just as well, I mean, how could you ask for more?

That's the thing, I assumed that most people cared about that stuff but the average joe probably doesn't really care about air stability/tricks/manuals/handling, as he probably doesn't even care about slower acceleration, increased weight, additional lateral frame flexibility and he probably doesn't even care about increased contact patch and angles of attack either. All that stuff probably hardly means anything to him, he just wants his ride to be as easy as possible. I'm not sure anymore the industry wants to kill the 26ers so people change their bike. I think it's possible they consider they know better than the consumer what most of them need so they might as well push the 650b/29er with the "it rolls over stuff better" as their main argument because, well, that's probably the only thing the average joe really cares about. "Same result with less effort, sign me up!" If he doesn't jump/drop/trick/manual the bike or need precision handling then there is no point in going for a 26er, is there?

I'm not trying to be condescending or anything. All I'm saying is that what keeps the 26ers fan on 26ers is probably mostly irrelevant for most people and bike brands are probably trying to capitalize on that, which is not a bad thing in itself but if that's really the future of biking, it makes me a little sad.
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 The 29er Stumpjumper would outsell the 26 7 to 1, you could hardly get hold of the 26! only the EVO came into the UK and I had to wait 6 months having pre ordered before even seeing it!(very happy with it but really woulda made better sense to spend with a different brand but wanting isn't logical) As far as I know most the 26 EVO were sold before even getting to the LBS..
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 "Although we would have to admit that after a few days riding only 29-inch-wheeled bikes, we found that the smaller-wheeled Stumpjumper Evo looked a bit, well, weird by comparison." I am not sure what this statement says at all. Pinkbike has made efforts to create an air of objectivity to their reviews but this statement tells us readers that they are not objective at all.

The bike looks weird, great, lots of good bikes look weird. I am interested in cornering and suspension feel first and foremost, and then looks. I want it, in order of importance....traction, braking,suspension feel. this is all about the design and i am not sure that this is the direction that bikes are headed. I am definitely on the destructive end of the bike part buyer continuum. I have tried to make parts lighter over the years but ultimately have decided that the latest greatest is always gonna break, just like the old parts. bigger wheels mean more leverage during cornering, smaller tires less volume, longer frame more flex. light parts don't work where I live, I have tried, and the parts have failed to the point that I am running saint on all my bikes, sick of failure. No 29 for me till it is tougher. Expensive sport that needs to obsess over weight less...Strong and light would be good...
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 With 10 grand I would build a mean bike, I'm just not a big specialized fan, there's plenty of better frames and designs out there IMO Over priced Chinese frames!!!
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 I totally agree. the only things left original on my Rocky Mountain are the frame and the rear mech. To get a bike that really works for you buy a frame set and build your own bike no matter what wheel size you like. Anything mass produced is a compromise because it has to appeal to a large number of consumers so it will do everything ok but won't fit your particular needs very well. Personally I love 29ers because the people that buy them sell their barely used 26er parts cheap to me. I got a 120mm 2013 Fox CTD fork for half list price with one ride on it from a guy who decided to go to a 29er and there's a ton of nice 26er wheel sets out there for a great price.
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 Now I don't get something Spesh... 430 chainstays on 150mm Enduro 29, but 450mm on 110 Camber?! You failed me...
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 Yeah, short chainstays were a trend 20 years ago, and they gave up because you can't climb properly with short chainstays. Makes perfect sense to me that bike made for more climbing has longer stays.
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 Actually short stays/long front ends climb great, the problem was there's a point where you have to sacrifice something in the movement to shrink something else, and with the exception of frames with elevated stays, tire clearance is usually what went out the window.
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 Spot on Joe. The real funny thing is people think they're getting a better bike with short chainstays but they're trading stability for instability and going slower in the process.
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 Deeight- not totally true, look at what happened with elevated chainstay bikes. There were some silly short effective stay lengths, but the bikes ended up handling like crap. Short stays put you over the back axle, which isn't a good place to be when climbing. I should know, I'm over the back axle on my 26" bike, because for some reason the XL size has the same length stays as the XS.
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 I own a Alpinestars Ti Mega which had about the shortest chainstay length of any 26er ever and I didn't have a problem climbing it.
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 I ride a 26" xc ht with 405-417 stays and long reach. if I shorten them to 405 difference is felt but by a tiny bit. I need to shift my weight a bit forward on steepest technical climbs. But when I flip the travel switch on my fork, lifting it from 120 to 150, the climbing gets very compromised, not only I need to shift my weight more forward, I have to keep my chest just over the stem all the time, I ride with cramped back and handling leaves absolutely no margin for errors. Shortening the CS length is not even close to compromise climbing as much as slackening HA and rising the cockpit.

Id say that short CS gives more fun due to easyness of popping the bike up into the air, than it takes from climbability and stability. It is like getting a short stem -1 from climbing +3 to fun! For racing, yes, longer stays might be better, but for fun, which should interest 99% of people here, short cs is the way to go!
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 Does everything have to be carbon...? then we get a really shitty spec allu frame!! surely something in the middle for the Camber? well spec allu frame is ok with me. Current Camber looks so cheap and nasty.

Overall bikes look awesome!!
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 Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading somewhere that carbon frames are cheaper to produce for various reasons. If that's true, I find it funny that they charge extra for the carbon frames while the alu ones are the low end ones with cheap specs.
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 "Although we would have to admit that after a few days riding only 29-inch-wheeled bikes, we found that the smaller-wheeled Stumpjumper Evo looked a bit, well, weird by comparison.".
- Aaaaand that means absolutely nothing.

I don't care if Specialized wants to push 29ers into the trail riding market, it doesn't affect me at all. But to get rid of the 26" Stumpjumper Evo Comp so I either have to buy a $9000 26" evo or a 29er, well thats pretty frustrating.
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 S-Works Stumpjumper EVO 26 has my attention. Hmm... Do I really need a car, maybe I should sell it and buy the EVO Smile
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 You mean the Lancer Evo Wink
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 @coolman - That would work too Smile
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 Time to bring back the ol' 24" wheels and short suspension bikes. We're settle this debate and let the people with real bike skills shine. You know, when men were men and women were proud of it. Going to settle this pecker measuring contest right meow.
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 i like the big S. my only beef is the proprietary shock mounts they do. total PITA if you want to change it out and try something different. and stop bitching about prices - the entry level bikes are totally affordable and ride great.
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 Before I even look...I bet there's not one 26er. And i promise, I scrolled straight down too the bottom and made this comment before I looked. Please let me be wrong!
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 Please don't let 26" bikes die, Please don't let 26" bikes die,Please don't let 26" bikes die....
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 Don't get me wrong, I love the designs and Specialized has done an excellent job marketing their bikes. I think the entry price on a few of their bikes are right on. But with so many other options - LAPIERRE, CUBE, NORCO, ROCKY MOUNTAIN, CANYON, COMMENCAL - and so many others its very difficult to choose. If I had the money I would buy a Specialized and Canyon since I have never own one. I love bikes, but I love ridden the most.
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 I had both the 26 and 29 SJ evos. Fully custom builds. Both bikes are awesome! The 26 does feel more playful on larger jumps, but the 29 climbs and descends much much better. After a few weeks on the new 29, I said goodbye to the 26. I have the new RS pike 150mm that is perfect for the evo 29.
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 Those prices are ridiculous... Check this out: www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3049
Nice Alu frame AM bike with all that kashima and other blaa blaa blaa.... And the price is little over 3000€. Just paying for the brand here...
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 Specialize suck
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 " but in the end, it was their customers who made the decision for them. UTTER BULLSHIT its the industry telling the customer whats best, new is new, new is better, Why are all other companies making 650 now then, Specialized lost my custom long ago.
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 high prices, daft looking top tube, wagon wheels and uninteresting looks, imo spesh have dropped the ball.
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 Agreed man. I really don't like the way the downtube looks either. I personally think that the 2009 stumpjumpers look the best. Way less expensive too. $3600 msrp for the expert model that year...
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 The "concentric" shock mount with the upper link to chainstay point has been done by Specialized before on other models all the way back to the mid-90s.
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 Taking old ideas and calling them by new names isn't innovative, neither is changing colour patterns and making tubes slightly thinner. Has the wheel size change made designers more lazy?
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 does anyone really believe that spending shit loads of money on a S WORKS will really make them better on there local trails?!!!!!!!!!
Load of bollocks.
get the cheap spec and do it up as of when.
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 they look great, I've just never had as much fun on a specialized as I have with other bikes. I've felt that they feel too clinical or too precise, they need more passion and character to the feel.
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 So happy that I managed to get last (2011) Spec Pitch (26" OFC) in production before MTB world got completely crazy with wheel sizes and pricing. I hope this bike holds up nicely for the years to come.
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 I just retired my 08 pitch with over 7000 miles on it. I only had to replace the main pivot bearings once. It is a great bike. the new bike is.......a stumpjumper 29 and after a few rides to adjust, it has made me faster. So I hope it holds up like my old pitch.
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 Thanks for your insight into pitch durability. enjoy your new bike Smile
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 Nice bikes, but I have a feeling someone at Specialized is going to get demoted when 2014 turns out to be the year of 650b. It is were the rest of the industry is going like it or not.
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 Why spend that much money on a bike just for the name when there are bikes out there that ride just as good and keeps your wallet heavier
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 9k if you have a fat wallet and 2k for your average working man. For a bike that is sexy light cutting edge technology. Choice of 26 or 29 inch wheels? Nice!
I wonder how much the X fusion model weighs? What is the warranty?
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 bottle cages on trailbikes...
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 and ugly ones too!
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 As if specialized aren't expensive enough. They just make their price pointed range match the stumpjumper. Here's a range of bikes we can't afford again.
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 Theres a model on here for $1800 bucks. Thats pretty much as low a price point as you're going to find for a trail bike that's worth riding. I, for one, think it's great the Spec offers a bike for pretty much every price point. $10 grand if you're a baller and want the absolute top of the line, and the $1800 if you're just getting into the sport.

I've owned several Specializeds in the past (on a Santa Cruz now) and I've always found the Comp price point to be huge bang for your buck compared to any other brand.
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 We've been selling specialized bicycles for years. Some cannot handle the fact that whenever there is a poll asking "What bicycle brand you prefer ?", Specialized comes first.
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 hold up wait a min only the bikes starting a $6000.00 you get that badass waterbottle holder...... hmmmmm must be a carbon thing
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 Bring back the ol' 24" wheels and short suspension, lets settle this dick measuring contest right meow.
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 Best looking bikes in the market from an industrial design standpoint. I'm sure they ride great too, but I can't afford...
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 Perhaps, but...
"we found that the smaller-wheeled Stumpjumper Evo looked a bit, well, weird by comparison."
So its not weird on that 29 Stumpy to come off the bb, do a 45 degree turn up, and then contort back to make a head tube, looking like a praying mantis claw in profile versus having some rational, flowing lines from front to back? They are trying to apply their 26" surface language to a 29" thing, and it doesn't work yet.

Seriously, look at the photos of those two silver bikes, and tell me honestly that the 29'er has better industrial design. It looks like a normal bike had cerebral palsy. If they could take a fresh look at their surface language it might help (e.g. rip off Niner).

I respect the hell out of Specialized I.D. in general, its what got me into the field in the first place, but they need to move on and move forward with the bike shapes.
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 Best looking bikes? LOLCATS.

Intense, Yeti, Ibis, Ventana, Knolly.. all looks heaps better.
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 The spec on the Camber Comp is atrocious for almost $4,000! I didn't even know they still made those Alivio cranks! Hybrid specials...
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 You just went full retard Razz

bike names are under the pictures, the alivio cranks is on the 2k bike
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 D'oh! What a spaz lol!
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 I think I'm in love with that silver frame... And it better be made with silver for that price.
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 I gotta admit the paint is pretty hot. Ever see that proprietary liquid metal looking 'Alubeam' from Mercedes-Benz, that they used for the F-1 cars a few years ago? That would be sick on a carbon bike.
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 Let's see the new 650b Giant's...
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 Yesss. That is what I want
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 29 here 29 there 29 everywhere. But not in my house. Full stop.
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 You better give me carbon enves at those prices. Rovals.....hahaha
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 Bikes are getting waaaaaay too expensive... Frown
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 look like if i want one of these bike I will need to re mortgage my house! where's the 650B wheels???
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 In the whole write up there was no mention of drivetrain! For $9000 it better come with XX1.
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 Too much Specialized, there are other brands releasing amazing bikes.
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 yeap! ... GeeT & Trek please
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 Sorry I really don't like the looks of that top tube
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 Try a larger size ;-)
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 Yes, the top tube and front end of the 29er evo realy lookes like a melted chunk of plastic...Maybe they unmolded it too hot...
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 And once again the 29er models are only shown in the taller sizes, to look less disgracious...
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 is it just me or does the 26er evo look reeaally slack?
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 no, its just that the 29ers look like they hit a wall so steep
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 the 26 is a degree slacker than the 29
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 Gotta love it, bring out and push for a new wheel size and say its the greatest thing out there, and then spend the next decade refining and fixing it. HAHAHAHA!!!
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 its cool that they don't all look like each other
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 Why no stumpy 650b????
I have a 26" Evo and that is probably the only change I would make going forward.
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 what's up with ALL the 1X that suck's more then big wheels, bash guards? chain guide? Frown
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 Different animals, same zoo.
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 $9000 will no doubt equal £9000, yaaaay Blank Stare
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 Everything's mint part form that price tag :/ Frown other than that :O
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 Think that's bad, wait for the UK prices. 'Oh, $1900? That's £1900, right?'
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 Uk prices would be cheaper
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 No, they really won't be. Look at the current prices, they just stick. £ where the $ was and call it a day.
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 all the price you see in this article will be the same in the uk only except the 10k s-works is 9k
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 After I saw those bikes.. I am a better rider already. I am a snot too!!
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 Head tube angles are too steep. How am I expected to ride these bikes?
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 Waiting for P.series ; )
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 Yeah, go Spesh, go! Show us P3 on 27.5 for 7000 USD
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 P27.5 and P29? jk, new pslope looks sick. i'd like to see a PSteel and a PAluminum or whatever instead of a P3 as aluminum only
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 Bull shit all of it.Great bike's,but wtf is with the cost.
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 And you wonder why I don't go to Cannock anymore..
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 I have the stumpy carbon evo 2012 and the The carbon S-Works Stumpjumper Evo looks so AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but twice as expensive ...
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 soooo.... do you want to look fast? buy a camber!
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 I started with a 99 fsr now have a 04 maybe time to upgrade I love these bikes worth the price tag for sure
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 More proprietary spesh crap...kiss CCDB-A, rockshox monarch plus, xfusion vector air goodbye
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 Death to front derailleurs!
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 Says something that the high end $9000 EVO still has 26" wheels.
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 Yes, they will make about 10 of them, sell 6 or so, and prove the demand died last year LOL.
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 Forgot to mention. They're probably last year's model rebadged to sell as new at full price, if they can sell them.
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 too big for me....
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 anyone else noticed the dropper stealth post that issent a reverb?
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 That's what I'm curious about, house brand ya think?
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 The command post is produced by Specialized in an attempt to reduce cost
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 The command post was one of the first functional posts on the market. The maverick/CB Joplin, and the gravity dropper were the first three IIRC. Its not cheap, but not as expensive as a reverb.
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 guys i know that its a command post, my intention was just to point out that they made a stealth version with no huge cable that smacks around.
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 oh my god oh my god oh my god
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 Has any one noticed that their flagship bikes all have 1x11sp drivetrains
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 Yes, I noticed that, Eagle Eyes.
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 specialized with formula brakes???? forget that spesh.
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 Why? They upped their game. Spesh dropped them a few years ago, like they did Magura, the Italians/Germans upped their game, Spesh brought them back because they work (better).

Don't hate because you had a bad experience with them because you probably didn't follow proper burn-in procedures, which about 96% of riders don't follow anyway. Amazing what happens when you RTFM.
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 formula's calipers's inside is left in raw and the dust stay in and they fill up the pistons. Shimano do it properly.
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