New Wide Range Drivetrain, Manitou Dirt Jump Fork, and a Dirt Cheap DH Bike - Sea Otter 2018

Apr 22, 2018
by Richard Cunningham  
Mongoose gives its Boot r DH Park shredder a complete makeover for 2019. 63-degree head angle the new Boxxer RS fork and a Saint transmission.
Mongoose gives its Boot'r DH/Park machine a complete makeover for 2019. The fun begins with a 63-degree head angle, the new Boxxer RC fork and a Saint transmission. MSRP is around $2500 USD.

Mongoose Boot'r DH Shredder

e-thirteen chain guide and house-brand crankset.
e-thirteen chain guide and house-brand crankset.
Shimano Zee changer.
Shimano Zee changer.

Schwalbe Magic Mary tires and and a RockShox Boxxer RS fork.
Schwalbe Magic Mary tires and and a RockShox Boxxer RC fork.

The shock is actuated between a forward extension of the swingarm and the upper rocker link
The shock is actuated between a forward extension of the swingarm and the upper rocker link,



ProTaper Cockpit Components

These bars are actually black. The Hayes Group dropped the Answer logo from its handlebars and stems re-releasing the brand under the ProTaper monniker. Bars options are 31.8mm 35mm and in a variety of heights and sweep-back angles Widths are 810mm. Oh and ProTaper bars are sold in carbon and aluminum.
These bars are actually black. The Hayes Group dropped the Answer logo from its handlebars and stems, re-releasing the brand under the ProTaper monniker. Bars options are 31.8mm, 35mm and in a variety of heights and sweep-back angles, Widths are 810mm. Oh, and ProTaper bars are sold in carbon and aluminum.

ProTaper Stems in both DH and conventional designs with Torx hardware and black anodizing.
ProTaper Stems in both DH and conventional designs, with Torx hardware and black anodizing.

ProTaper flat pedal.
ProTaper flat pedal.
Thin profile leaves just enough room for an inboard bushing and an outboard sealed ball bearing. Pins are reversible one tall side and one short side.
Pins are reversible: one tall side and one short side.



Exodux Truck-Bed Rack System

The Exodux modular bike rack stows your bikes in similar fashion as a pad but with greater security and without any contact between the bike and the truck the rear tire sits on the bed .
The Exodux modular bike rack stows your bikes in similar fashion as a pad, but with locking security and without any contact between the bike and the truck (the rear tire sits on the bed).

Exodux racks can be configured for as many bikes as the width of your truck can handle.
Exodux racks can be configured for as many bikes as the width of your truck can handle.

The anodized knob operates an internal expander that holds the bikes from inside the steerer tube. Unlocking the key disengages the knob so it spins free.
The anodized knob operates an internal expander that holds the bikes from inside the steerer tube. Unlocking the key disengages the knob so it spins free.
The key is actually a tamper-proof screw device.
The "key" is actually a tamper-proof screw device. The key is also used to secure the rack to the vehicle.

Exodux racks release from their mounts for stowage with a simple latch that also shares the same key.
Exodux racks release from their mounts for stowage with a simple latch that also shares the same key.

The basic kit for a four-bike rack costs 749 USD and a number of add-on utilities are offered to mount ladders kayaks or just about anything.
The basic kit for a four-bike rack costs $749 USD, and a number of add-on utilities are offered to mount ladders, kayaks, or just about anything.



Father of the All-Mountain Bike

Robert Reisinger founder and creator of Mountain Cycles and now head engineer for 6D helmets poses with one of his creations.
Robert Reisinger, founder and creator of Mountain Cycles and now head engineer for 6D helmets, poses with one of his creations.



What's New at SDG?

SDG s prototype Junior Pro component kit The bar is 650mm wide with smaller 19mm diameter ID lock-on grips and a transistorized Slater saddle. MSRP to be determined.
SDG's prototype Junior Pro component kit: The bar is 650mm wide, with smaller, 19mm diameter ID lock-on grips and a transistorized Slater saddle. MSRP to be determined.

SDG s JR Pro Slater pedal is only 90mm by 90mm but inside the bearings and shaft are the same strength and quality as its full-sized flats.
SDG's JR Pro Slater pedal is only 90mm by 90mm, but the bearings and shaft are the same strength and quality as its full-sized flats.

SDG s new dropper post Little information has been released except that it will be officially released this Summer. The cable-actuated post s action is smooth and there is no perceptible play.
SDG's new dropper post: Little information is available, except that it will be officially released this summer. The cable-actuated post's action is smooth and there is no perceptible play.

SDG Telllis dropper post
SDG Telllis dropper post

SDG Tellis saddle clamp detail.
SDG Tellis saddle clamp detail.

SDG Tellis Dropper remote lever.
Tellis Dropper remote lever.



Chillin at TerraTrike.
Chillin' at TerraTrike.



Underground Bike Works

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Recognize these mountain bike legends? That's John Parker, Yeti's founder, on the right, and Frank the Welder on the left. Parker has launched Underground Bike Works, starting with the Revival, a limited-edition aluminum hardtail (made in the USA) with a warbird-inspired paint scheme, over a brushed metal finish. Only 200 signed and numbered bikes will be produced.

Curved stays - a Parker signature.
Curved stays - a Parker signature.

Yellow highlights are masked over transparent black fade then the frame is finished with a clear coat.
Yellow highlights are masked over transparent black fade, then the frame is finished with a clear coat.
Titanium head badge.
Titanium head badge.

Construction is beautifully done with details tucked into every corner of the frame.
Construction is beautifully done, with details tucked into every corner of the frame.

A more affordable import Revival is planned This is the prototype.
A more affordable import Revival is planned; this is the prototype.



New Manitou Circus Dirt Jump Fork

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The Circus fork gets 34 millimeter stanchion tubes, a new hollow crown, the Dorado air spring and a 15mm axle - basically, and entirely new fork. Travel ranges from 80 to 140mm and MSRP is $750 USD. Oh, and it's for 26" wheels.
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The bottom out control is self contained, so you never need to search for a spacer.

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Manitou's adjustable volume spacers are juggled above or below the white piston to control bottom out.



Foes Racing Ridgeback

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Founder Brent Foes has been true to aluminum construction - and its seems that public opinion has swing back in his favor. Meet the 29-inch-wheel Ridgeback. Travel is 140 millimeters and the geometry is up to date, with 76-degree seat and 66-degree head angles, a 17-inch reach and 17.125-inch chainstays.

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Foes is a fan of single-pivot-swingarm suspension. The small link between the seat stay and rocker arm allows him to triangulate the swingarm into one rigid structure.



Giant and DVO Team Up

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DVO Suspension is a co-sponsor of Team Giant and LIV racing, and the new bikes were out in force at Sea Otter. Giant must have been stoked about their new suspension, because their team bikes were on display out in front of their tent all weekend. Normally the team machines are tucked inside the tent.

Turn Signals

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Using its built-in Bluetooth connectivity, the rider can signal left or right-hand turns using the handlebar-remote.

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The straight-ahead function (facing down in the photo) causes the lights to flash together for safety.



Box Components' 7 Speed DH drivetrain

Box One Components Seven Speed DH changer.
Box will offer a seven-speed DH drivetrain. Here's a look at the derailleur...
Box One Components seven-speed DH transmission s shift lever
...And this is the seven-speed shift lever to go with it.




MENTIONS: @SeaOtterClassic



115 Comments

  • + 192
 Before all the Walmart comments commence you gotta give it to mongoose for trying to keep it affordable with quality components. Long live the goose
  • - 4
flag SeanC1 (Apr 22, 2018 at 13:53) (Below Threshold)
 They stopped selling their decent bikes in the US, so all you're going to find are the lower end bikes in Walmarts.
  • + 3
 Did you guys see that DH Walmart bike?! It's gonna give YT's TUES AL a real run of it's money...... ......maybe not.
  • + 31
 One thing: Commencal will sell you a furious origin for 2700 usd and YT's tues al retails for 2400. They have pretty similar component spec to the wallgoose and i think I can speak for a lot of people saying that I trust Commencal and YT more than I trust Walmart to deliver a good bike.
  • + 9
 @NoahWeimann: everyone also trusts Cannondale and GT to deliver...
  • + 29
 DJ Brandt rides for Mongoose and he fuckin makes me wanna buy one
  • + 38
 @RedBurn: and Chris Akrigg.
  • + 10
 $2500 Mongoose Boot'r versus $2400 YT Tues... no brainer.
  • + 4
 @grant-a: the tues is 2400 euro, not usd. making it about $500 usd more.
  • + 7
 @maxtodamax: nope, 2,400 USD
  • + 5
 @RedBurn: haha thanks dog!
  • + 2
 @peddlepusher15: pleasure is mine keep killing it DJshreda Beer you video for Deity called "Average days" is one of my favourite bike vids !
  • + 1
 @ yep best deal out!!!
  • + 1
 It looks janky as hell though @preach
  • + 1
 Initially I thought Cube's DH rig. The same tiny tubing and flimsy joints. I hope it turns out to be good with that full floater. Smile
  • + 65
 Bike companies around the world - 'Shit, SRAM are trying to strong arm us into buying complete OEM bike kits but we don't want to do that across out entire range and Shimano don't do super wide cassettes yet,'
Box Components - We can help you with that, we've got keenly priced all steel cog cassettes right around the corner, even dreamed a new freehub body standard while we were at it!
DT Swiss- Did someone say new hub standard?! Here, hold my Alpenhorn!
Everyone at SRAM - The hub standards, they're mutating beyond our control! My God what have we done?!
  • + 7
 Now we just need to wait to Shimano's new freehub standard
  • + 6
 Be ready Shimano 12 speed is coming next month and new hub standart also Smile )))))
  • + 4
 @shaked: "SRAM is the devil with these new standards" says person who doesn't remember how Shimano widened the freehub and hub spacing on every new set of speeds until 8.
  • + 2
 @groghunter: Plus they came out with a new one for their 11 speed road cassette a few years back.
  • + 2
 I love to see box going up against the giants, but that stuff upshift feel has got to go.
  • + 2
 That cassette body looks like the same design as Sun Race's one for their 10-42 11 speed and 10-50 12 speed cassettes... www.sunrace.com/en/products/detail/hbmx8
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: But atleast the freehub has the same profile between 10 and 11, so all you need is a spacer to run 10 or 11spd mountain. on them.
  • + 1
 @Kiwi19: if I remember correctly someone actually mentioned in an article a while back that they are using those exact cassettes haha.
  • + 49
 Saint transmission? It has a Zee mech and an own brand crankset.
  • + 3
 Noticed that too
  • + 4
 that deserves a retraction
  • + 6
 They could just put "Shimano Equipped" like all the Wall Mart bikes?
  • + 6
 Yeah, I thought, maybe the shifter.

Cable maybe?

Saint ferrule?
  • + 17
 Made in the good old USA Foes Racing , What a bad ass ride .
  • + 3
 That thing is gorgeous.
  • + 17
 750 bucks for a bike rack!!! I will stick with my tailgate pad
  • + 2
 yeah, your pickup truck and 200$ pillow.

way better
  • + 12
 @mollow: uhh $8 moving blanket from Harbor Freight?

I’ll give them credit it’s a real neat idea for a truck bed rack
  • + 26
 for 250USD I got a nice cardboard that covers all my tailgate, and it even came with a free low end refrigerator
  • + 7
 @surfhard987: It really is, I think the worst part of tailgate carrying is the wear on lowers and crown, plus the lack of security.

They've reduced cosmetic wear and created a locking mechanism that means no more worrying about your bike getting swiped when you leave it for any more than 5 seconds.
  • + 2
 30 year old inside out Coleman sleeping bag works great.
  • + 4
 @loganbeck: I think i'd prefer something a little nicer for my 2500$ walgoose.
  • + 1
 It is the perfect tailgate rack for my HSV Maloo GTSR
  • + 1
 I was a little surprised by this too. One of the great things about a pickup is how quick you can roll with the bikes in the back. This rack looks super tedious to set up.
  • + 2
 @rrolly: Maybe tedious to set up, but if you are traveling or want to leave your bike in the back of your rig it is pretty sweet. You get the 'cool' tailgate look, but with security. First innovative rack I've seen in a long time.

Me, I'll stick to my hitch rack since I can move it between cars, but still. Cool idea. Price needs to come down on all these racks though.
  • + 2
 @RideTahoe707: you can still prevent theft from a tailgate pad if you have eyehooks in your truck. Buy a big chain and two locks and shove the chain through an inner tube or two. Thief can’t tell from far away your bike is locked , but she is!
  • + 12
 Honestly surprised to hear dropping the Answer name. It seems like they've been in the game since the beginning.
  • + 0
 and then I saw that they had gone torx on the hardware, & realized it was because they want to make parts that appeal to absolutely no-one.
  • + 6
 And a long history in the moto game.
  • + 5
 Ye pretty disappointed too. Especially as the new logo and style only makes me think about my DeWalt drill.
  • + 2
 First news of this was seeing machined stems in their booth labelled 'protaper' and was so confused. How do you taper a stem?
  • + 3
 @Balgaroth: Yeah, I thought the Answer styling was pretty cool. This one is easily the worst out there.
  • + 10
 That's what we need, another freehub 'standard'. I was keen on the 11 spd 10x50 offering until I realized it's not XD driver compatible. I'm sure they'll sell dozens with their own standard Frown
  • + 8
 For the turn signal, seems like the one side should be solid on while the other is blinking. Otherwise when one light is blinking and the other is off, it looks like an ordinary flashing red bike light to drivers. There's no context to the driver that says if it's left or right.
  • + 2
 Ha! Great idea. I was wondering about the same thing.
  • + 8
 Foes - your bike looks sick and having had a couple of Foes before, I'd definitely have another one, but.... PLEASE sort your website out. It is TERRIBLE. Also the geo charts need to have a metric version and please include reach numbers. Thanks
  • + 2
 Birtish asking for metric sizing ? woaw that made my day lol
  • + 1
 Thank you! I did all the machining on that frame. What don't you like about the website? An honest opinion could help.
  • + 3
 @NicNasty: Cool! Yeah I've had a Fly and a Mono in the past. So many beautiful details that aren't easy to appreciate until you actually own one.

Website issues? Well for a start it says 2017 all over it. The geo' charts are mostly imperial-only and don't even mention Reach numbers - that's pretty much the most important number regarding a bike's fit (to me, anyway).
The text blurbs are kind of dated in their tone - like "this bike will make your dreams come true" - its very 90's. I'd rather it be more technical in nature; tell me WHY the bike has this geo, why this wheel/tyre size, why make it in aluminium and what riding it's intended for.
I know Brent is dead proud of the manufacture process, but I don't JUST want to see pictures/videos of alu' pieces being welded together. More actual riding media please.
One more thing - pictures of black frames on black backgrounds look rubbish, sorry
  • + 1
 @Balgaroth: so funny. Thought most Brits would be fluent in both. I am
  • + 11
 SDG shuld have put an ibeam head on that dropper,
  • + 1
 but that would mean a new standard (for non dh at least)
  • + 0
 Yes, they should. As long as u can slam the seat way forward(which helps anything less than 75 deg sa)
  • + 10
 dear manitou. people bought your dj forks because they were budget friendly. now you are the same cost as a pike dj...
  • + 12
 Except the manitou damper won't implode or need service every 3 months. And it has a hydraulic bottom out circuit.
  • + 4
 @mullen119: Manitou Sherman everyone loved back in the day, I definitely wouldn't class them as a second rate company.
  • + 5
 And what about 15mm axle, is that the norm when it comes to dirt jump forks now?
  • + 1
 @Startgas: Same bs on the Pike DJ. Let's hope it won't settle with that. Rocking my 20x110 Argyle RCT till it falls apart, I'm not buying 15mm hubs anywhere soon for no bike.
  • + 1
 @mullen119: i agree on the pike. but manitou is placing this fork in the premium dj fork category and that is not where their dj forks have ever been since i started dirt jumping. the circus is a screaming deal for what you get.
  • + 4
 @adrennan:

Circus expert and comp still exist for that segment. This fork is aimed to be a top of the line DJ fork.

@startgas

15mm is what the industry is going with. Other than backwards compatibility, there is little reason to build a 20mm axle fork anymore. Oems don't want it and they drive the market.
  • + 7
 You can't list a bike as having a "Saint transmission" and then show it with a Zee derailleur. Facepalm
  • + 5
 Please Robert Reisinger please bring Mountain Cycle back!!! The original San Andreas is one of the best looking bikes to this day IMO, I still have 3 of them
  • + 2
 Who actually owns Mountain cycle these days? When they went tits up it was the same scumbag who owned Chumba (and drove them out of business too) but he seems to be long out of the picture with Chumba, so maybe there's hope.
  • + 3
 A look at an original San Andreas with a Suspenders fork and Pro Stop brakes and commentary from RR would be really neat.
  • + 7
 Mountain Cycle was so ahead of its time. I remember the ads in MBA back in the olden days when people read magazines. 4” travel, very reasonable weight, even direct to consumer sales. 20 years too early.
  • + 5
 I wonder how efficient a 9T or 10T rear sprocket is. (As someone who's a bit into the xc and road stuff where they're now running oversized jockey wheels for efficiency)
  • + 3
 "The Circus fork gets 34 millimeter stanchion tubes, a new hollow crown, the Dorado air spring and a 15mm axle - basically, an entirely new fork"

Come on, that's nothing more than a short travel Mattoc. Nothing new there.
  • + 4
 That freehub body has the downsides of both an XD driver and a shimano Driver! awesome!
  • + 0
 Mongoose picked up the sketches from Trek garbish (and others) and made a bike .Why pay a high qualified mechanic and design engineer if they ask the trash boy to gave them the trash papers from a few companys around ?
Are not Panama papers and they gave a boy a ticket to drive-in and a Mac menu and receive a lot of bike concepts in return.
Me and i personaly and myself I ,think that more brands do the same
Its like incest design concept.
I have a nice cousin under the horizon....
  • + 3
 That Foes is awesome! North American Metal!!! That Mongoose reminds me a lot of the new GT dh bike..
  • + 1
 Nevermind.. floating shock
  • + 2
 same ownership
  • + 3
 All metal, welded frame.... Warbird theme paint..... Excellent job Gentlemen!!!
  • + 4
 That mustang paintjob tho
  • + 1
 im sorry but unless its a vintage bmx bike or something i get for free you wont catch me on a mongoose unless its my nephews or some shit. also i doubt these will be sold in walmart.
  • + 4
 That Foes Ridgeback check a lot of my boxes.
  • + 2
 Ditto. First 29er to do it
  • + 3
 it's the best looking bike on the show so far.
  • + 4
 Box with a new freehub standard equals no buy for this guy!
  • + 2
 @pinkbike what happened to the pics of the Box 10-50 12 speed cassette? they are still on Google
  • + 2
 I mean 11 speed cassette
  • + 2
 SDG, please Please bring back limited edition S2000 and Ti Comp saddles! Supremely comfortable, supremely awesome! Do it!
  • + 2
 Are Box making their own cassettes now? They were using rebadged Sunrace cassettes earlier.
  • + 2
 wow gary busey wearing a sombrero
  • + 1
 We get screwed on bike prices in the UK. Direct $to £so if its 2 5k in the USA its 2 5 K here. It sucks.
  • + 2
 that foes with machined aluminum linkages. beauty !
  • + 2
 Why is every fork 15mm now? So annoying!
  • + 2
 The moment I see the DT swiss driver I would get a 10-46
  • + 1
 Y'all... The YT Tues has a model that is $2,500 with similar parts and a much better frame.
  • + 2
 Those built in turn signals. Game changer. (Sarcasm)
  • + 1
 For mountain, no. But for road commuters it could be a lifesaver, literally.
  • + 2
 That Foes. Gussets and buttresses. Oh mamma.
  • + 1
 That mongoose looks straight outta early 2000’s
  • + 0
 "new wide range drivetrain"
as in, uses mix and match of existing hardware. fake news is among us lol
  • + 1
 That helmet is like Bart Simpsons belt
  • + 1
 The crank arm on that Goose looks like it was stapled on.
  • + 0
 For Walmart, this looks like a quality product.
  • + 0
 Love the aesthetics of the box stuff.
  • + 6
 Personally I thought that mech looked like an old shimano sis mech I had on a cheap mtb in the 80's
  • + 1
 @Madmanspencer: I also like old motorcycles and modern bikes that look vintage. A turner 5 spot with a raw frame and box drivetrain would be my bread and butter.
  • + 1
 really i think it looks super cheep that dh 7 speed looks like a 80s shimano one its prolly the ugliest one to come out in the last 20 years
  • + 1
 SDG and FOES, hell yes!
  • + 0
 Mongoose looks like a ......
  • + 1
 The floating suspension design puts it ahead of competition when it comes to looks like Big Grin
  • - 1
 Why Torx nuts on that Beautiful stem...
  • + 18
 Torx are better.
  • + 12
 It takes a lot more effort to strip a Torx bolt. I mean, it's still doable, but they last way longer than standard allen heads.
  • + 6
 Good call, should be Torx Plus instead of boring old Torx!
  • - 2
 title should read: walmart now selling sessions

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