YT Releases New High End Specs of Capra and Decoy

Jul 21, 2020 at 6:41
by YT Industries  
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Press Release: YT Industries

Ever dreamt of sending it over the trails with that Factory-level feeling like pros competing at the elite level do? Well, now YT is offering both enduro models with a high-performance spec which includes the newest Fox Factory suspension technology. The Capra and Decoy Elite are at the start gate waiting for riders to set personal bests without forgetting to have fun while doing so.

bigquotesAfter adding two coil variations of the Ccapra and Decoy with the new Fox 38, we also wanted to offer riders that prefer air suspension the advantage of the burlier forks and latest air shock suspension technology. Both the Capra and Decoy Elite are high-end, destined for heavy duty and have a great hunger for high speeds and gnarly tracks. They will let you succeed on the hunt for the fastest laps and Good Times.—Markus Flossmann, CEO YT Industries

Capra Elite 29 – Performance-hungry, high-tech carbon beast unleashed

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The Capra Elite 29 is the new high-end version of YT’s most popular rig. The gravity brand is adding a 29’’ bike to the portfolio that includes the latest industry developments and gives riders the best tools to get the job done. The Capra Elite 29 is available in the frame sizes M-XXL. The beloved carbon frame with aggressive enduro geometry is accompanied by the Fox 38 Float Factory fork with 170 mm of travel that was especially developed for hard enduro racing.

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The new Fox Float X2 Factory air shock with 170 mm of rear travel offers a wide range of adjustability and gives the rider the support and traction that the trail demands. Additionally, the Capra Elite 29 also boasts increased uphill pedal efficiency thanks to the new SRAM X01 Eagle 52 drivetrain. The bike, which will eat away at the seconds on any given track, includes an improved tire spec with Maxxis Assegai (EXO) up front and fast rolling Maxxis Minion DHRII (EXO+) in the back, and the full-carbon package is rounded off with a Renthal Fatbar Carbon 35 handlebar and E13 LG1 Race EN Carbon wheelset.

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Decoy Elite – Enduro E-MTB with full carbon frame itching to send it

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In line with the Capra, YT is including a high-end variation of the DECOY. The DECOY Elite is an E-MTB and the carbon mullet-build comes in frame sizes S to XXL. True racing vibes are guaranteed thanks to the new Factory level suspension technology from Fpx. The new Fox 38 Float Factory E-bike fork with 170 mm of travel and Fox Float X2 Factory air shock with 165 mm of rear travel deliver all of the revolutionary features and maximal adjustability enduro racers need in order to leave the pack behind them.

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This burly E-MTB is powered by the YT custom made 540Wh battery, which is integrated into the frame, giving the bike that truly good-looking design of a real YT. With the smooth feel of the Shimano Steps E8000 motor, the Decoy masters the steepest trails and the 12-speed Shimano XT drivetrain ensures precise shifting. The package is completed with the Fox Transfer Factory dropper, a Crankbrother Synthesis E-Bike Carbon wheelset with front and rear specific rims fitted with Maxxis Assegai (EXO) front and fast-rolling Maxxis Minion DHR II (EXO+) rear tires, and a cockpit with Renthal Fatbar 35 handlebar.

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155 Comments
  • 138 43
 Until the title reads "YT Releases New High End Specs of Capra and Decoy, including several bottle cage mounts" I'm not interested
  • 80 17
 I feel like a bottle cage mount and a seat angle that actually allows you to pedal up hills shouldn't be too much to ask for an enduro bike which is designed for big rides up and down steep trails.
  • 92 33
 @Patrick9-32: I don't want concessions to be made on suspension design and frame, just to fit a bottle cage
  • 41 54
flag Twowheelsjunkie (Jul 23, 2020 at 4:59) (Below Threshold)
 I lost interest at 29 »
  • 7 6
 @purplegorillaz: they didn’t *have* to put that brace across the frame
  • 37 7
 @Patrick9-32: Capra pedals uphill OK, it's not super-perky granted but I spent 5 hours looping homemade FoD trails last weekend on the more weighty Ali model and would take the slacker seat tube over the steeper prices of other bikes.
Inventions for carrying water exist.
  • 15 10
 @Patrick9-32: There's several bottle cage options out there for bikes without mounts. I ride a Capra and picked up an SKS Top Cage Bottle Holder from Amazon for $30 and the thing works flawlessly. Seat tube angle not allowing you to pedal up hills? I ride it 30-50km a week through punchy and tight XC trails and it works just fine - is it climbing like an XC race bike, of course not, but I'd take a bike that climbs a little worse while descending 10x better any day of the week.
  • 23 5
 @Patrick9-32: big rides = rides with a backpack anyway, so I might as well put a camelback inside and keep the water cooler, the cap cleaner, can drink it while keeping both hands on the handlebar and of course the volume of water is much bigger...
  • 23 0
 Yer bottle cage would be good oh and a warranty/after sales support actually worth having...
  • 6 1
 @Patrick9-32: if they are lasy for design they can use the e bike frame and partner with camelback for water tank where the battery and tube going out where the plugging... This plus full taped bannanas where the space left into you the frame might allow you Everesting none stop!
  • 19 1
 @purplegorillaz: Other brands manage it, capra suspension is far from perfect anyway from most accounts.
  • 4 4
 @purplegorillaz: because it’s impossible to design an FSR bike that has good suspension and a bottle cage....
  • 15 0
 @wibblywobbly: just a thought, would it not be cheaper to design a flat flask style bottle and cage that gave more clearance for frame design rather than tailor suspension design industry wide around a round 10$ plastic bottle?
  • 16 2
 Personally, I'd rather have a bike company design a frame based on better ride handling characteristics rather than a water bottle mount, but that's just me.
  • 1 1
 @TheBrosCloset: because it would be gigantic; hard to beat the volume:perimeter ratio of a circle.
  • 3 0
 @TheBrosCloset: why hasn’t Chris Porter or the genius’s at Nicolai done that yet? Guessing it’s impossible.
  • 3 3
 @wibblywobbly: delete your account
  • 9 4
 @Steventux: I really dont get people saying the capra doesn't climb well. It climbs (out of the saddle) like a damn XC race bike compared to the new 2020 enduro that everyone has been raving about. The 2020 enduro bobs like my DH bike out of the saddle vs the capra. It's not even in the same league, yet everyone is raving about how well the enduro climbs, while trash talking the capra's climbing abilities. I dont get it.
  • 1 2
 SMH. Looking at the suspension and frame design, where do you suggest putting several bottle mounts? That's called "all new" or "re-design", not just "with added bottle cage mounts".
  • 9 0
 @Steventux: I am not trying to be shitty but how tall are you? I am 6'3" and slack actual seat angles really do cause bikes to pedal worse when seated, it doesn't affect smaller and average height riders in the same way. Tall riders have to slide the seat forward on the rails but even then you end up with a very closed body position as your feet are so far in front of your hips making breathing and putting out power worse as well as meaning you have very little weight on the front end for technical climbing.

My new Privateer is more than £2400 less than this with similarly top end suspension components (aluminium frame and one step lower drivetrain spec though) and it has space for a bottle cage and an 80 degree seat angle, geometry doesn't cost money. Seated pedalling is so much better than a bike that weighs as much as a small car and is longer than one too has any right to be, even with the shock wide open.

@gevans14 Attaching a clamp on cage to a £5400 bike is possible but it is ugly and not ideal though.

@f00bar I hate riding with a backpack so much. Yes, it is needed on epic rides but I will do a lot to avoid it. A bike without a cage means any ride over half an hour requires a pack. That's basically unacceptable to me and was a pretty major deciding factor in my bike choice.
  • 3 0
 @moroj82: I'm biased, firstly cos I've owned 2 now and I'm limited in experience having only owned an older Capra and before that an ancient Orange 5. I have ridden friends bikes and I can feel some are snappier and more responsive but these tend to be more trail oriented. I'd love to compare even some of the field of similarly priced enduros properly.
I found changing between old and new Capras I had to work a lot more at pedalling uphill I assume because the high compression switch on the Float X2 is not as much of a lock out as the High setting on the Monarch RC3 HV on the older model so yeah there is some bob but I've spent 4 days last week pedalling up a lot of hills including that 5 hour session at FoD and I'm and old man with shit knees. It didn't feel that bad at all.
  • 2 0
 @Patrick9-32: I'm 5ft 10 and I have the 2019 Large Ali frame, so I guess I am in that average height bracket. I'm also quite simian in proportions so maybe, as you say, leggier riders will find the seat position exaggerated. I think I place my seat fairly central and the short-legs-long-arms thing probably makes me a good fit for the bike.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fanboi. Price is my motivation, I spent around £2500 on a cheaper model because I'm a weekend warrior, not a racer, the build was great for the money. I can see that other manufacturers are offering great options in the lower end of the prices (I'm considering Vitus, Calibre, Nukeproof, Commencal next).

I use a Deuter fanny-pack with a 750ml bottle, it's fine. Maybe if I was riding all day with no option to refill that would be an issue.

I'm really only piping up because I think there's a lot of slating Capras on things that haven't been an issue for me having owned 2 of them.
  • 2 7
flag madmon (Jul 23, 2020 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 DEAL BREAKER I have to have a bottle mount or I can not ride. I gave up on smelly rubber tasting muck or the emptying out of the bladder down my ass crack on a cold snowy day. In Jamaica 5 months a year the bladders are a nightmare to keep clean even using lemons. I also use a MARLEY SPEAKER shaped like a water bottle....duh. and light packs shaped like water bottles..... YT you should sew that finger back onto the hand you cut off it only saved your life the frame is still a no go. Finally you placed SRAM crap all over it... .....NICE LEGS SHAME ABOUT THE BOAT RACE
  • 5 0
 @madmon: Put the bladder in the freezer after use, problem solved.
  • 5 0
 @purplegorillaz: I don't think the multitude of other bikes with bottle cages suffer from suspension designs with significant concessions. The argument would only be valid if what they were doing was better than what others are doing whilst still fitting a bottle. Truth is this is probably a great bike- but so are the rest of them and those have bottles and different seat tube angles that a lot of reviewers seem to prefer. It may be a signal that we are at a nice place in the industry where the assumed quality is that high that we can gripe about something as seemingly superficial as a bottle mount.
  • 3 3
 @Steventux: I'm 6'3 and have also owned the last gen capra and the current gen. I do have my seat pushed forward, but the longer geo on the current gen bikes makes climbing much better, in addition to the bikes fitting really well.

I actually spent $100 to rent the 2020 enduro for the day. Ran it at 25% sag, and it bobs like a DH bike out of the saddle--so much so that it feels like the bike moves more up/down than forward when standing. I was really surprised at this, because all the reviews claim its the best pedaling enduro bike of 2020. Its as though they were all paid to say this. I did, however, absolutely love how the 2020 enduro performs descending. But the climbing reviews really have me scratching my head. Hands down, despite really wanting to be blown away by the enduro, the capra murders it on the climbs (without using the climb switch).
  • 2 0
 @Twowheelsjunkie: oath to that
  • 2 0
 @madmon: Simple, drill a hole in the top tube, fill frame with water and then just run a straw from your helmet to the frame.
  • 1 0
 @kleinblake: Got that right! That thing really serves no purpose, as a matter of fact it's worse. The Jeffsy is basically the same design without it, but not having it allows the two seatstay links to be joined. That is more important for structural rigidity than that brace, whose lack of purpose gives the bike a less focused, less function-oriented look.
  • 1 0
 @madmon: you get cold snowy days in Jamaica?
  • 3 1
 @Steventux: i'm kind of like you: i have the current gen capra, had the last one and had an xc bike before that. I just demoed the new specialized enduro, which reviewers have been praising for it's descending AND surprisingly good climbing abilities. compared to the capra, I thought it climbed like my damn dh bike. I think a lot of people just repeat stuff they've heard other uninformed people spout off on forums without real world experience.

I dont think the capra needs the new x2 w/ its super firm lockout. even unlocked, it absolute destroys the new enduro in terms of out of the saddle efficiency. I think reviews are relative, and maybe the specialized is a big improvement over the old one, or compared to other lbs brands, but it makes the capra feel like an xc bike when it comes to climbing. i regularly hit 2000ft climbs on my local trails no problem, and I often climb standing up to break up the hour long climbs w/o issue.
  • 1 0
 @moroj82: Do you remember the chainring size of the Specialized you rode, and what's the chainring size of your Capra?
  • 2 0
 @moroj82: How do you compare the descending between Capra and Enduro? There is always tradeoff between good climbing and good descending.
  • 2 0
 @Steventux: Well it is still shit uphill. I had a previous Enduro Bike with 2kgs more weight and 42t cassette, it actually was faster uphill then this with the eagle. Sliding back on the saddle was also a thing. 20% is just to much for most bikes. My new rig will have a true seat tube angle for that, 80° ftw!
  • 1 1
 Only kids drink and ride.
  • 1 0
 @purplegorillaz:
  • 1 0
 @Serpentras: Eagle favours the use of a larger chainring. Maybe your previous bike had a smaller one? Each bike reaches 100% anti-squat with a certain chainring size, but a smaller chainring always increases the anti-squat in relation to a larger one, and this always leads to better climbing performance unless anti-squat becomes excessive, which is a very rare situation nowadays.
  • 1 0
 @moroj82: Admittedly, I haven not ridden the Capra, however I can confirm that the 2020 Enduro does not bob when climbing, even with the climb switch open. I have one this season, coming off of an SB150 (which also climbed really well). I'm a heavy-ish rider (195 lbs) with steep, technical Colorado climbs, and flat pedals. I am a pedal bob perfect storm. That said, running 30% sag on a 2021 Float X2, I've had zero issues with pedal bob and often choose to leave the shock open for better traction in tech stuff. I really can't figure how you managed such a bad experience during your rental, but I am over here setting PR's on some climbs - I'm off to do some riding and double check my pedal bob now! Wink
  • 38 0
 So probably this is why they doesn't respond to my warranty claim for broken chainstay on my 2018 AL Capra. Second broken chainstay this year...
  • 6 0
 I got a broken seat stay on my 2020 Capra. I was told 8 weeks for a replacement.
  • 2 0
 @romancappa: I have broken my chainstay twice on my 2019 capra! Both times the cracks were in the exact same spot, and there was no direct impact on the frame. First time YT took about 4 months t replace. Currently waiting for the second warranty claim to go thru. Seems like this chainstay problem may be a design flaw...
  • 1 0
 Frame Quality is just bad. The chainstays always break in the same spot. Its just a design bug. This happens, but YT doesent really care abot it.
Took them just three months to replace my broken chainstays with the same chainstays, that will break again. Had to call them 5 times to be allowed to send the bike to them.
Also had to replace all the e13 parts(except the front wheel), because they broke.
YT is good if you plan just looking at your bike and not riding it often.
  • 1 0
 I've broken two chainstay on my 2018 Jeffsy so not just limited to Capra. The first time took countless phone calls to get a replacement. They were in a transition for their US based support team. The second time they hooked me up by taking one off a brand new bike and overnighting it to me to make an event.
  • 36 3
 And prices going up and up and up and up, sooner or later they will catch lbs brands
  • 16 2
 Yet this still comes specced with EXO front and EXO+ rear?! Most other brands, Commencal included, are speccing all their ebikes with DoubleDown because you're gonna have a bad time on anything less than that and nobody, no matter how proud they are about their ebike, wants to be that guy seen fixing a flat on it!
  • 6 15
flag southshorepirate FL (Jul 23, 2020 at 5:59) (Below Threshold)
 A prime example of marketing doing something because others are instead of doing something because it makes sense for the brand.

YT is a DTC brand that offers great value to customers by taking out distributor and store margins. Premium bikes, smart componentry, great value. Tough bikes for people who want to rip gravity rides and don’t care about the parking lot show n tell.

The whole story of the brand inception hinges on the owner seeing kids who rip crappy bikes who couldn’t afford good ones.

And then they launch a dentists version.
  • 11 0
 @pourquois-pas: I really don't get this logic. How does the existence of a top-tier build (which is still thousands below MSRP of the high-end brands) prevent young broke rippers from purchasing a $2,300 base Jeffsy and having a good old time on it?
  • 6 0
 @roma258: They made the base models worser every year too
  • 2 3
 Idk what you’re talking about saying prices keep going up and up but here in America the Great, prices have gone down since last year.
  • 4 0
 @roma258: ca.yt-industries.com/shopware.php?sViewport=campaign&emotionId=355

Read the back story on the company that is supposedly the "brand's DNA"
I struggle to see how a $9k+ price point fits the brand. Does it provide value relative to other premium brands? For sure. Does the YT target consumer even consider other premium brands? Or is YT now trying to sway premium brand buyers into switching to YT? What factors does a premium buyer consider most when purchasing, value, support, service, image, warranty...

It is extraordinarily rare for a premium consumer to trade down to a lower price point even if the value proposition is stronger - they are not inherently value buyers. Trying to take a price-is-no-object consumer and getting them to make a purchase based on price is contra to almost every known consumer behaviour.

They will however have some Pro Race buyers trade up, no doubt. Hopefully the added margin offsets the cost of offering the sku.

..and they're seemingly forgetting one key attribute of buying premium through LBS above service: discounts. Few people pay full pop premium bikes (if you do, you're a fool and need a new LBS). So the actual value slope YT offers isn't as high as claimed on paper... and then consider service, included tune ups, the build, set-up, part swapping...As I said, I struggle to see how these high price points fit the YT brand/business.
  • 2 0
 @pourquois-pas: Black Friday sale yo
  • 2 0
 This one is the same price as my 2019 decoy pro race, but is much better spec'd
  • 9 0
 @pourquois-pas: you're overthinking it bro. Does YT make a value bike for young aspiring shredders? Yes. Does YT offer good value/spec for the middle of the market where most people are buying, while staying on top or in the front of modern trends? Yes. Do they almost always sell out their model runs? Yes.

Everything else is just noise. You don't like them offering a premium spec version of their models, cool, nobody is putting a gun to your head saying you have to buy it. I just don't get what's so upsetting here. It's a bike company, they see a market opportunity for a high-spec model. Fine who cares?
  • 1 0
 Even "value" brands like Diamondback, GT and Jamis have big $ top-spec models. It's something literally every company does.
  • 6 1
 @pourquois-pas: you're talking pure nonsense, bro.

also, 9K canadian is 6K USD. the value is absolute insane relative to other brands. look at the enduro. $6500 gets you an NX drivetrain.
  • 1 1
 @roma258: who says I care.

I’m bored. Made an observation.
  • 3 1
 @moroj82: I walked out of my LBS with a Tallboy S for essentially even money to the Izzo Pro... set the suspension, went for a ride. First service free. As I said, on paper vs reality isn’t always the same.
  • 2 0
 @pourquois-pas: "First service free"...Well yeah, consumer direct is probably best for folks that can tighten their own headset and lube a chain...; )
  • 15 2
 I intially bought a YT because it was the best option for the price, this was back in 2017, now their prices are basically the same as LBS without the support, their speccing carbon on their second to lowest bike with terrible spec and they expect people to buy it? They really have lost my respect after they keep gradually increasing prices whilst keeping bad spec.
  • 2 0
 Glad I bought my 2018 Jeffsy pro. Amazing spec for the price.. have noticed the specs gradually get worse while the prices increase. Now I’d rather spend the difference and buy from my LBS where their customer service exceeds YTs in every way.
  • 3 0
 @nateisgrate: there's no way i can or would pay what they want for that bike - a decent 2018 rig like what you have - totally yes -
even if has crashed into a hiker
  • 2 0
 Agreed 100%. Was a huge fan boy have gone elsewhere since.
  • 1 0
 It boggles my mind that they changed the Comp to a carbon frame. The AL Comp was crazy good value for the spec. Now they went with carbon and downgraded literally everything else on the bike.
  • 1 0
 @danielomeara: yep, exactly my point!
  • 17 0
 Milk that cow!
  • 9 0
 I remember the not-so-distant day I got their top of the range Wicked Ltd, dripping with the most expensive parts and BOS suspension for less than €3k...are they still paying into Gwinn's pension pot?
  • 8 0
 Love my Capra CF pro 2018. However I’ve replaced EVERYTHING on the bike except the cranks and brakes. It’s a very good bike, but I’ve spent far too much money to get out of the crappy wheel set, crappy E13 cassette, Fox Transfer post 150. It looks good on paper but in the end a lot of that stuff is not up to par with what’s on the market these days.

That said the bike is now a very good aggressive trail and park bike. I’ve done plenty of 6K’ climbing days on it with no regrats, not even a single letter...
  • 13 0
 #noregrats
  • 4 1
 I think 2018 is when YT started to sell all their bikes with crappy e13 stuff.
  • 2 0
 @rideallday110: I can’t believe e13 is still in business. Such poor design.
  • 10 0
 Pffff high end... no titanium cranks
  • 5 0
 Sweet build, but oh boy will you Enve a 2021 Decoy with a 630 or 700 wh battery, new motor, and such. Think the money is on waiting for all the new 2021's to hit the market. I know, it's just a motor, but this stuff is hitting at the End out August for Commencal, and rumor that Canyon will be getting the new Shimano too. Hang tight.
  • 6 0
 Aggressive enduro geometry? The HA is only 65 degrees in the slackest setting and the SA is only 76 degrees in the less slack setting. Aggressive?

See Commencal Meta AM 29 for aggressive geometry.
  • 1 2
 That's the "fashionable" sector within "aggressive". Trying to outdo by the numbers. Pretty soon the vertical travel becomes zero because the fork is horizontal...
  • 2 0
 I mean its just buzzwords. The frame design is 3 years old now. I expect next years capra to be a redesign.
  • 1 1
 @danielomeara: It will be three years old next year, unless you start counting at the development stage? There are things I think could be improved, seat tube angle is not one of them (I'm not running the seat all the way to the front, and don't want to move it forward), and neither is head tube angle (just don't see the need, unless you are into long stems and need to compensate for the worse attack position by lowering the angle). So while it migth be improved, I wouldn't say that what it needs is a "modernization" in the sense that it has become outdated in any way.
  • 5 0
 i'd bet much that YT is planning to add water bottle mounts to the new capra just to shut people up. think about it: they listen to the complaints: they removed all the e13 components. they made an aluminum capra w/a 38 and a coil that's affordable. they're definitely listening.
  • 6 0
 Good Luck trying to get one of those Decoy's they have been on constant BACK ORDER here's a suggestion make more than 20 of them DAM IT
  • 2 0
 Yeah, why release a new trim level when they can't fill the ones that already exist?
  • 2 0
 @krisrayner: So they can sell the more expensive trim for more $$$
  • 6 0
 You can't release an XXL bike and only spec a 175mm dropper...we're on an XXL bike for a reason
  • 2 0
 word! but at least you got the 175. I upgraded to it, then realized it wasn't enough and now have a 210 oneup dropper. 175 should be the new minimum dropper length. go all the way to 250.
  • 8 2
 I want the Decoy so bad and idgaf what people thing about ebikes. That bitch rips
  • 4 1
 $7000 spec Decoy Elite is a higher end build than a $10,600 santa Cruz Heckler. Same motors Decoy has the bigger battery. I do like The Hecklers shorter travel and would like to see how “poppy” it is.

$3600 delta is pretty crazy.
  • 6 1
 So basically a new version of Pro Race with 500 EUR higher pricepoint? Hm..
  • 1 0
 Some just have to have that new new.
  • 7 1
 Basically updated with new Fox 38 (instead of 36) + new DHX2 aswell so the higher pricepoint is more or less understandable.
My thought is that YT was scared to loose some sells with all the other brands releasing their 2021 range mid 2020 with this new burly and fancy suspensions.
  • 2 0
 @Groscreux: Why is it understandable? Are the 38 and new DHX2 that much more expensive to produce or is it just a marketing trick that because something is newer it must cost more than the previous product? And why does Fox mark up that much their products for Europe over US.
  • 1 0
 @vid1998: I agree they are not more expensive to produce but the 38 has to fill the price gap between 36 and 40 in the range.
  • 4 0
 I would yave expected them to have launched yet another Decoy derivative with the larger capacity battery they keep promising.
  • 3 0
 This! I'm hoping that they see the writing on the wall with what Spesh, Norco, and Rocky did with range extenders and are backing off of the 700wh battery to figure out a 200wh range extender instead.
  • 7 1
 Love their bikes, hate their loading gif.
  • 2 0
 Yes, WTF is that! Its not 1998!
  • 2 1
 @noplacelikeloam: exactly! my biggest complaint against YT is their flash website that makes you reload the stupid animation every time you move around the site--it's infuriating. i'm sure it's cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars of people that got annoyed and bought their bike elsewhere.
  • 5 0
 @moroj82: Yup, and try and load that on a mobile . . . good luck.

Mind you, it prepares you for waiting, which when buying a YT, you better be ready for.
  • 4 1
 YT, please release a bike with an SLX or XT build and RS suspension. Call it the 'low maintenance easy to service and cheap to fix' spec.
  • 1 0
 So basically the 2018 Al Comp.
  • 7 3
 Chasing personal bests on an ebike? Oh, that's a reason to be proud of yourself...
  • 2 0
 uphill KOM?
  • 3 0
 @74NZ: UPHILL FLOW TRAIL BRO
  • 4 1
 does anyone else see this as an effort to clear out the 2020 frames to make way for a new 2021 frame, given that they're on year #3 of the current gen capra?
  • 2 1
 So an extra $500 on top of the already higher price just for the newest suspension seems like a slap in the face to all the people in trend that think they need to have a 29er...I’ll buy a used bike this year instead of buying another new Yt. The decrease in value over the last two years in spec has made me consider other brands again. I see a lot of people bitching about the warranty problems but all my warranty claims were handled fast without any cost. The marketing behind the two new models is annoying at best. And no I don’t need you sending me spam emails telling me about a bike I don’t want to buy the following day. You haven’t been around long enough and gained enough brand loyalty to act the way you are these days.
  • 1 0
 Ive had 3 YTs (2x Capra, 1x Tues). I ride the current Capra 4 hours around trails and it climbs fine, it descends great, I ditched the DH bike to use this for that discipline as well. The only issue I have had is with E13 components and their own dreadful customer service (not YTs). All this 'I have heard from a bloke down the pub that it rides like xxx or the suspension is rubbish' is what it is...merely negative gossip. Price is going up but the value is great, depending on what value means to you.
  • 4 1
 Top of the line and still $5,999...if this was a pivot/specialized it would be $12K easily
  • 5 1
 Exo tyres. When will they learn.
  • 14 1
 Thousands of miles of rocky southwest riding and not a single tear on an EXO casing. Moab, Sedona, Barr Trail, Angel Fire, Vail, etc. I know it happens, but EXO isn't exactly a piece of toilet tissue.
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 Exactly. Exo tires on a 50lb ebike? Those Crankbros wheels will be cracking in no time.
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 I don't know if I should still buy a Shimano motor or wait for the next realease. So far I only tried the new Bosch motor and that was smooth. Does the Shimano motor lag far behind the current Bosch offering?
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 I'm running a 2021 bosch Cx gen 4. In terms of build, tech and handling it's the one to beat. The fact that they just released a software update to upgrade their 2020 gen 4 to 2021 gen 4, releasing an extra 10nm of torque and improving all the power modes significantly is great in itself. Like a Tesla, it's the software that really sets the Bosch apart from the others. Their emtb mode really is a set and forgot option. That said, you also have to consider the actual bike too. At the end of the day the motor is mainly there to get you up the hill. But the real fun is going down and the motor is doing squat there, so don't get too hung up on the motor and start focusing on the bike geometry and components. Make sure that bike is going to suit your style of riding. If it's got a Bosch motor, then that is a bonus.
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 @IMeasureStuff: Thank you, that is useful.
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 The shimano lacks mostly behind in terms of the current Shimano battery offerings and/or the efficiency of the motor as well as torque at low rpm. In every other aspect its not really behind the competition.

The main downside is that you won't get as far with a 500wh battery with the shimano compared to a bosch with the same battery. But it also has things that are better. For instance the tweak ability is better and you can do updates without having to visit the dealer. Also trail mode is still one of the most natural feeling assist modes out there.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: however anyone who rides a lot will need 800-900 watt hours of battery and so since no battery does that yet, then you need two and a quick change. I would rather have two 500 watt hours as i do to change out in about 15 sec with my devinci, weights 6.5 pounds so no problem to carry in pack and drop in some locations on a loop. If you go 700 watt hr like specialzed then the battery is bigger and heavier, same with the 630 watt hour shimano.
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 @norona:
One thing about the bosch 2021 software upgrade is the ECO mode now has a lot more usable torque. But you are still going to smash a regular mountain bike on hilll climes. I'm sure there is a slight loss of range, but you should get 70+ km running ecco (just note I have not tested the total range on ECO)

As for multiple batteries, the Trek system is fantastic, the battery can be swapped out in seconds, the handle makes handling simple, there is some quality engineering in their setup. I run multiple batteries and its great.
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 @norona: you only need that on really long rides or if you are heavy and like to ride turbo a lot.

BTW specs of new Shimano have been leaked:

revelo.li/index.php/2020/07/22/shimano-ep8
  • 4 1
 Does the Elite setup have an option to pay extra and get a properly aligned frame?
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 say what?
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 Good looking bikes but I'm happy with my outdated 2 year old bike, it's a better bike than I am a rider, the Decoy is calling me though but will hold out, maybe when I hit 70.
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 "improved tire spec"= EXO
"fast rolling"= DHR2

I can't even
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 Just curious. Why does everyone go crazy over YT? Seems like everyone wants one. I don't get it.
  • 3 0
 I love my Decoy but would love to upgrade my battery. Any news on the release of the bigger battery?
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 Prices?

Or is that factory level need to know only..
  • 4 1
 I’d rather updated geo numbers and no E13, but that’s just me.
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 cue the 2021 capra
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 Since someone from YT is probably having a look at the reactions:

An IZZO build option with the new 35 mm RockShox SID would be great, please.
  • 3 0
 Still no 700wh battery on decoy, over a year it was promised.
  • 2 0
 Skipped the article and came straight to the comments section to read about bottle cages.
  • 2 0
 Not a great value anymore, especially after reading about people waiting 2-4 months for warranty parts.
  • 1 0
 Can the make a spec on the other end too? Maybe fit it with a droopy Reverb and a 10 speed drivetrain for reasonable money?
  • 1 0
 Did I just read the battery design makes it...look like a REAL YT...?
  • 1 0
 yeah, as opposed to all those other knock-off YT's?? I'm guessing this was a german translation and they were trying to say something to the effect of 'authentic YT feeling/vibe'
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 3lbs heavier and $500 more expensive than the model below it.
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 3lbs of absolute SHRED (the 38
  • 1 0
 nice specs, anyway that bike looks every year more bored..
  • 1 0
 Are those right-side seatstays still cracking on the Capras?
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 No new innovation, just new paint and expensive bits!
  • 2 3
 Lmao. High end and you still spec renthal snappy boys and e13.
  • 3 2
 snappy boys? those bars are the shit. good luck breaking them unless you weight 400lbs.
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 Carbon renthals break so much. I saw 4 in 1 year. There’s no way is ever run a renthal product @moroj82:
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 E13 carbon wheels are awesome. Me and my buddies are on year 2 with no issues. Had a pair of DT carbon previously that broke after a few months and no free replacement. e13 Carbon has lifetime warranty at least.
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 Haters will hate....then go to the garage and stare at their Trek or Speshy while wishing they had money for new parts...
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 Huh?
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 @CircusMaximus:

b/c they spent $6500 for a bike w/ an NX drivetrain and aluminum wheels (spesh)
  • 2 1
 @moroj82: true that!
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 struggling to see what is high end on those bikes
  • 4 1
 are you blind?

2021 fox factory 38 and fox X2, and fox transfer. that's the best you can get from fox. That's $2200 in fox bits right there.

open your eyes dude.
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 Sorry but Fox isn’t that special. I’ve got no interest in the 38 a fork that is a pound heavier than my mezzer. The shock isn’t any better than my much cheaper coil and the transfer post is again overly expensive. It’s average components @moroj82:
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 @mtb-scotland: its still expensive as shit. therefore, high end.
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 @moroj82: expensive does not equal high end - the words you are looking for are overpriced creaking tank of a fork
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 X01 drive train, carbon cranks, carbon wheel set (albeit e13..) fox factory and SRAMs highest end brake set. Are you looking at the same bike bud?
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 @nateisgrate: E13 are junk, SRAM drivetrain is junk no matter the level, fox factory is overpriced and has its problems. Clearly just another fool sucked into thinking these components are actually the "best"
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 Me too, just overpriced bits!
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 @mtb-scotland: I’m not saying they are, “the best,” but as far as the mountain bike industry is concerned these are high end parts. Personally I’d ditch the Sram drivetrain for Shimano and I did make it pretty clear that the E13 wheelset isn’t great but it’s still Carbon and considered pretty high end. These are similar parts most companies spec on their highest end mountain bikes, so unless you have more to say maybe you can back up your evidence besides using your own personal opinion. Just because a Lamborghini is a “super Car” doesn’t make it, “the best” but it’s still a super car. These are still high end parts. Like it or leave it.
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 @nateisgrate: problem with your analogy is that a lamborghini does something a normal car doesn't. Fox parts don't, they are just overpriced. Carbon isn't high end either, again it's just way overpriced.
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