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Öhlins TTX Shock
WORDS MATT WRAGG
PHOTOS CAMERON BAIRD/SPECIALIZED
| We are quite proud to be partners with Ohlins and know that this is far and away the best shock ever created in the mountain bike world. - Sam Benedict, Specialized |
Specialized certainly aren't shy about the new Demo and Enduro Evo-specific Öhlins TTX shock. It was all in the delivery of that sentence. You didn't get the feeling they were boasting or exaggerating, it was more like a statement of fact. Normally we would be deeply cynical about such a big claim, but there's one word in what Sam said that made us sit up and pay close attention: Öhlins. For a start, it is Öhlins themselves who designed the shock the TTX will inevitably be compared against - the Cane Creek Double Barrel.
The Öhlins TTX shock in its natural environment, a Specialized Demo.
If you follow motorsport, especially on two wheels, there's a good chance we don't need to tell you anything more about Öhlins. If they aren't a name you're familiar with, or they are just a word on the side of your Double Barrel with a funny umlaut over the ‘O,’ then understanding who they are and what they do helps put this shock into context. Started in Sweden by Kenth Öhlin in 1976, his suspension was piloted to its first Motocross World Champion title just two years later by Gennady Moiseev. From there, they built a reputation for making the best suspension in two-wheeled motor racing and, more recently, four-wheeled as well. In 2007, the company celebrated the 200th world title for racers using their shocks and forks.
Browsing through their hall of fame, the names include icons like Valentino Rossi, Casey Stoner, Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, Tommy Makkinen and Juan-Pablo Montoya. It's an impressive pedigree, no doubt, spanning MotoGP, Formula One, WRC, Indy 500, Les Mans, and nearly any other type of racing that involves an engine and, more importantly, suspension. There is something that makes their record even more incredible, Öhlins have never sponsored anyone with free suspension. Every single one of those racers and teams who won on Öhlins suspension had to pay to use it.
| For sure, it has happened that riders have got things free from other companies and left us, but they have, for the most, returned to us after a month or two. - Kenth Ohlin |
The TTX isn't Öhlins’ first foray into mountain bike suspension. They were responsible for the Cane Creek Double Barrel, which is widely recognised as the shock that all others are measured against today. At the time, the Double Barrel was the best shock that Öhlins could make, and we are sure that if they felt it wasn't up to scratch, it would have never seen the light of day with the Öhlins name associated to it. The Double Barrel, however, was designed seven years ago, and Öhlins has learned a lot more about suspension since...
Origins of the projectIn a previous life as a motocross mechanic, well before he was Specialized's Director of Suspension, Mike McAndrews knew Kenth Öhlin. During Mike's recent travels they crossed paths again and they began talking about working together. Not long after, Specialized test rider and R&D mechanic Brad Benedict made his first trip to the Öhlins headquarters in Sweden for their first test session. Head engineer, Jason Chamberlain, explains: "We went in with no expectations whatsoever, purely to see what was possible... Mike McAndrews started talking to them and then when Brad started riding started riding the stuff, Mike and Brad started to realise there was the potential for more traction, for the rear wheel to track the ground better, and we realised there was something there."
Brad Benedict, testing with Öhlins
"The way they explained it to me was taking something from a box and putting it in a smaller box," says Benedict. "We had dyno'd out some other dampers that we were riding, just so they could see what everyone was working with. I noticed something was going on was when it started to rain. You put this shock on your bike and all of a sudden you'd just go straight through all these wet roots. I was not sure what was going on, but it just worked, and as we worked more, the traction went up even more. I think the thing is their ability to explain where the traction was lacking and they could just continuously make it better and better. Their biggest focus is traction. There are a lot of guys thinking about how it's going to land off a jump, and this and that, but they're constantly just thinking about traction."
The Öhlins TTX Shock• Specifically designed for the Specialized Demo and Enduro Evo
• Twin-tube design
• Nitrogen-filled bladders to reduce cavitation
• 7 click rebound, 16 click low-speed compression and 3 click high-speed compression adjustment
• Springs in precise 24lb increments
• Available on 2014 bikes and framesets and aftermarket for existing Demo owners
The resulting shock is something rather special. Motocross riders may have already noticed that the Öhlins MTB shock shares its name with their current motocross damper, which is no coincidence. In terms of mountain bike suspension, comparing it to the Cane Creek Double Barrel is a good place to start to understand what they have created. First, there is the benefit of those seven years of progression by Öhlins and second, the new MTB shock is specifically designed for one bike. It could be argued that, because the Double Barrel was designed to work well with a wide range of bikes, it may not the ‘perfect’ shock for any one of them. All top mountain bike makers work closely with suspension manufacturers to develop custom-tuned shocks and forks, but it is rare for them to have the opportunity to co-develop a shock from the ground up for a specific bike.
At the heart of the new Öhlins MTB shock is a high-volume, twin-tube design, which, since the launch of the Double Barrel, is now a much more frequently-seen design in mountain biking. The twin tube itself is in the main shaft of the shock which creates two routes for the oil to flow through: either through the damper in the center, or freely along the sides. Adjustment then comes by altering how much oil flows through the damper and how much oil flows freely around the bypass tube. For the TTX, Öhlins slightly changed the standard piggyback layout we are used to seeing, turning it through 90 degrees and using shorter, fatter chambers to increase its external surface area to help cool the oil inside more efficiently. Inside the piggyback are two nitrile bladders filled with nitrogen, one for the rebound and one for the compression damping. Pressurizing both sides of the damping circuit helps the shock deal with one of the main issues that Öhlins wanted to tackle: cavitation.
Cavitation occurs when there is a large pressure difference in the shock - where one part is under high pressure and another under a much lower pressure. The pressure drop creates air bubbles as the oil tries to equalise itself. When there are air bubbles going through your damper, they create inconsistency in the performance as they mix with the fluid and flow through the damper at a much higher rate. To combat this, the nitrogen bladders expand or contract, either pushing more oil from the reservoirs in the piggyback into the system or compressing to keep the pressure on the oil itself consistent. Öhlins say that this system using a pair of bladders helps to keep the internal pressure of the shock lower means they can use thinner walls on the shock body, helping to reduce the weight of the shock.
The TTX uses these unique, and distinctive, yellow Öhlins springs.
Öhlins places more emphasis on getting the correct spring weight than current mountain bike shock makers. Generally, springs are sold in 50-pound increments and it is accepted that there is a small margin of error for each spring. For the TTX, Öhlins offers springs in precise increments of 24 pounds, and those springs are made by the Öhlins factory. The many spring options Öhlins intends to offer, however, means that it will not be economically feasible for them to offer titanium springs for the TTX.
One area where they have taken a different approach to any other shock currently on the market is in the mounting. The TTX uses a spherical bearing mount, so the shock isn't a structural component of the frame. This means that the shock can move freely within the frame a small amount, so under hard cornering, for example, the lateral forces aren't transferred to the shock because they would restrict its movement.
Unlike the almost infinitely adjustable Double Barrel shock, Öhlins and Specialized made the decision to restrict the range of adjustment available to the new shock. This was possible because the damper design is so specific to the Demo and the Enduro Evo. As Specialized's director of high-end mountain bikes Brandon Sloan sets out, "We wanted to keep the adjustment range really simple. You can only adjust what you need to adjust. On our other bikes there are a lot of adjustments that we just don't need within the usable range of the bike." The new shock has a single low-speed-rebound adjuster with seven positions. For the compression damping, there are separate high and low-speed adjustments. The low-speed dial has 16 positions; the high-speed dial has only three positions.
Servicing is one of the big questions we always have when we see proprietary shock technology. Everything needs servicing and most things tend to fail when you're furthest from home. With the technology in the TTX and Öhlin's precise oil requirements (you're not going to want to improvise one of these with olive oil) they aren't serviceable by just anybody. The first piece of good news is that the service interval on the shock is 50 hours riding time, or one year, which is reasonable. Its predecessor, the Double Barrel, has proven its reliability over the last seven years. Secondly, being such a global company, Specialized have service centres all over the world who will be trained to service these shocks. Finally, Öhlins admitted that if you were really stuck you should be able to take it into any Öhlins supplier, regardless of their speciality, and they should be able to offer you some support and assistance as the technology is used throughout their range, although they may not have some of the special tools for this shock. There is also good news for existing Demo owners - the TTX will be available aftermarket from Specialized stores. It will fit any Demo from 2012 or newer, prices are yet to be confirmed.
First impressions: | We had an afternoon testing on a Demo equipped with TTX shock before the Val di Sole World Cup this year. As we always stress, there is only so much you can tell with so little time. This was made worse by the nature of the Val di Sole track, it's not really the place to go to try and work out your settings and find confidence in a new bike... Accepting that the World Cup track was just too much for this we hit the freeride track that runs underneath the lift. After a few runs of starting to understand the bike the first thing we had to do was completely reset the fork from our usual settings and re-adjust it to match the rear shock. Brad made us feel better about this when he explained that even Mitch Ropelato had to go through a similar process because it felt so different from how he was used to running his bike. Brad gave him settings from his testing with Öhlins and left him to get used to them. There is no doubt that most people will need time to adjust to the TTX. What is immediately apparent is that it is a class act, but if it was anything less we would have been sorely disappointed. Just how good it is remains to be seen; where this shock should shine is on those small percentages that separate the great from the good, where it stays that little bit more composed, recovers faster or grips longer. We'll have one on long-term test soon and will let you know if it lives up to Specialized's claim of it being "The best shock ever created in the mountain bike world." - Matt Wragg |
Still some people using it, should we call them shit riders.
Basically you are saying im throwing $4000 in the toilet every morning?
I think that Spec guys stood at the side watching guys from Öhlins work in the same way a 5yr old kid stares at a Ferrari or racer mbike - drooling in awe.
Or I completely misunderstood that article an I am wrong
The shock sounds good performance wise, but aesthetically it's not very appealing IMO
I guess the only bad part is you break your shock in the process
so, what was a clever way to have a shock by their own, but not come in full battle with the ccdb?
a shock that is specifically designed for some bikes that sell vast amounts....
that would be specialized bikes...
smart move
Didnt i just say that at the begining
And the other guy mentioned
Colour it.
Easy.
It just doesn't make sense to me at all.
I'd buy Ohlins on reputation alone, but how am I to get one for any bike other than Spesh? Totally uncool Ohlins.
It's like seeing a couple on the street, coming up to them and saying "girl - that man don't deserve you!" - their reaction would be adequate to Öhlins engineer reading all those negative opinions here: it would could go anywhere from a simple "piss of" to "what the f is your problem, mind your own business".
I really don't get all this negativity towards Spec.
Why am I bashing Specialized and saying the Demo is a shit bike?
In a word, Gwin.
and i traded my demo in for a legend,.. and i must admit.. i was happy with it,.. but its not "the best bike" ... well not for everyone..
but it rocks wayy better on trails..
have you ridden a v10?
@Jaame? what does Aaron have to do with Demo being a good or bad bike? Sarcasm? @Iamonfire - if you went through so many bikes man... How can you tell anything? I need a season on a bike to really say something. Big Hit better than Demo?!
This gets really out of hand, this thread got too long, demons woke up and mess our brains.
let's hate on 650b and fixies!
Isn't it any issue whis this timing ? Anybody using his bike twice a week for 2 afternoons will reach 50 hours quite quickly !!!!
And service only in spesh shop... That means to bring my bike each 2 months at least for service and pay for that 6 times a year...
WHAT A JOKE !!!!!
So, yes, service is a business too.
how so? are you using a guide? ive seen a few... rc4 does not look fun to service.
Well if you didn't read in between the lines of the article, Specialized is paying for this upgrade. (? if this is a upgrade) This currant Demo has never been the best bike, but its far, far, far away from being the worst. Specialized needs Ohlins more than the other way around. The truth of the matter is that the Demo has been living off reputation alone for some time now. It needs this shot in the arm.
id still love to see some brembos though
Too bad it's a proprietary.
But jeez I hate it when big companies act like this. So a DVO test is what I want to see next...
Raggi-Boy still get the point since spesh doesn't prove their statement, and will never prove it since their is NO WAY to prove it...
And Ohlins being surely the best shock for motorsport doens't prove TO THIS POINT they will make it in MTB.
And even if it is "the best shock ever created", you still have to prove that the demo suspension system is the best, i.e., you can have the better shock, if your linkage, ratios etc... is crap, it still will worth nothing...
So, once again, this kind of declaration is only marketing BS since the real message they want to send is "WE ARE THE FIRST TO OWN OHLINS TECH IN OUR BIKES, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM".
And all the tech junkies we are will start to kneel down and worship the almighty spesh god, and jubilate...
I do not blame Ohlins, I just blame spesh for having such a big mouth : "this is far and away the best shock ever created in the mountain bike world", only based on their own tests on their own frames, and Ohlins' overwhelming reputation.
"The relentless pursuit of perfection"
"The ultimate driving machine"
Take your pick.
Please "pimple-faced teenagers", put on your critical thinking caps on.
"Best shock ever" opinion is based on what data??? I am waiting for real info, data and reasons...
@ Willie1: So what tolerances are you quoting from Ohlins and compared to what shock company? Seems like you are claiming you have read all companies parts drawings and came up with an educated conclusion. Please back it up with facts. Thanks!!!
Motorcycles and MTB's are like apples and oranges, there are as many differences as their are similarities, and more than one
respectable moto company has failed in the pedal-bike arena in the past after high expectations based upon their motor-bike history.
A decent shock will allow a fast racer to win on a properly-designed DH bike, but not even "the best shock in the world" will make up for those inadequate chainstays and improperly designed geometry the Demo has become infamous for.
I have personally measured many brands of forks and shocks to assess for wear, and Ohlins was always spot on. Couldn't say that for other brands. They have wider production tolerances, so they can be produced cheaper. This isn't really a question. All people who work on suspension know Ohlins has the tightest tolerances in the industry.l
That being said, I would be very happy with a CCDBACS, even if it is only the second best shock available.
Classic.
Oops.
pretty sure Hill only won 1 rainbow jersey on a Demo, and he slid his rear out and crashed more often than he won races, the classic Demo crash. He got dramatically slower on the Demo, and it wasn't all injuries.
I'll stop ranting about it when Gwin gets the right bike from Specialized, because his poor performances this year is due to the bike. I'm really hoping he will have a bike with longer chainstays by the next race, the difference of 20 mm longer stays would make an incredible difference in Gwin's results.
I ride a Big Hit, which was arguably a terrible bike until the aftermarket companies made new linkages for the rear to improve travel, geo and fitting of a 26" wheel. So I know there may be some hope for the Demo!
A bike with a 64 head angle is tippy as it is, when you put short stays on it and then race it at high speeds on loose off camber world cup tracks it going to feel like the rear end wants to let loose and slide sideways to the ground.
Gwin hasn't crashed the Demo in a race yet but that doesn't mean he doesn't mean he doesn't feel unstable and is holding back.
The fact that he experimented with a longer wheelbase large size makes it relatively obvious he felt unstable in the first race.
Another factor might be that Gwin's riding stylle doesn't work as well with a bike with short stays, I don't think he is a "cutty" style turner I think he just more of a straight liner who sticks to the ground better than others and that's where those long stays are crucial, especially on todays wide open DH tracks.
Sure the shocks are a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for. I havent tested one on a downhill bike but i own a couple of sets for snocross and even on my dirtbike so i cant wait!
Want that on my Zeerode
But I have to make a small correction. Öhlins appered on a Swedish bike CyclePro Octagon DH already in 1998-99 i think it was.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/33361
It was a ordinary motorbike shock remade for DH bikes.
That was one shock that never blow like Fox and RS did back in the days.
I had a Octagon DH back then and it was solid as a tank
Will put up some pictures when I´m back on my computer.
just cause spesh has the best shock maker in the world on their side doesnt make me want a special ed any more than last week..
i am also not a fan of how they mate the shock to the frame.. heard wayyyy to many rear shock shafts breaking on speshs design. (apparently i can add your story to the rest of em too.)
people tell me my operator that im building is going to ride like sh!t cause its not a demo, v10, etc etc.. but honestly i just want a good plow bike thats easy to service, and doesnt use 'proprietary' technology... so thats what i bought
If raising the bar of rear suspension performance involves shortening service intervals to previously unheard of lows, you aren't really raising the bar, you are just making performance slightly improved for the pros who get free and frequent product while making more expensive and inconvenient for everyone else.
if you want one on a non spesh bike, youd probably have to get it re-tuned. id buy one if they werent super expensive..
but then again, i got a brand new dhx rc4 WITH kash for 320 (go-ride.com), spend a couple hundred bux and youve got it tuned by avalanche.. now its EASILY comparable to the higher end shocks on the market (ohlins, bos, etc).. im drawn to fox cause i can always find a good deal on 'last years model' online and the easy tune-ability (factory and aftermarket)
right now, if i sent it to him, i wouldnt be able to tell him how i ride or how id like it setup.. kinda seems like a win/win to me!
Öhlins is a world renouned suspension company for all wheels with motors. If they change setting and designs then its for a bloody good reason. I'm keeping an close eye on this one.
I've got a demo (previously 12' alloy and now a Carbon S-Works) and I've not broken my CCDB's. I've had them serviced and tuned by J-techsuspension.co.uk and NEVER suffered with any issues. I personally think that the broken ones have occurred from people not having the settings dialled in correctly for themselves.
Still, can't wait for some long term tests!
i mean its been many years since it came out, so it must have a bunch of world cup podiums both male and female right? its the best shock ever right, so it has to have some top flight racers winning world cups on the ccdb right?
right...........................?.................................
Stcykohut, that's just foolish logic. World cup riders are sponsored. You need to find out how many are sponsored by Cane Creek, find out how much they're payed, then do the same for all the other brands, get an average of the riders results and compare them to get any decent statistics. You won't find lots of good brands at the top, purely because they have small budgets. Look at Avalanche, Bos(now days), even Manitou. All brilliant products with little results because they can't afford to buy the fastest riders.
and there is no way that the CCDB could possibly be better than this.. sure ohlins helped them make it.. but do you honestly think that ohlins is going to give CC all their info and technology they've complied over the years?
so if the ccdb was soooooooooo badass wouldn't the factory mtb teams be lining up to pay for the product?
gimmie a break man..........
racing is the benchmark. period.
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=19399&pagenum=1356
A rider makes the most difference on a bike, setup is second but still important. Fox/Rockshox is good enough.
CCDB is good because it can work on alot of bikes without revalving. Get the spring rate right and fiddle with the knobs. There are only 4 of them and plenty of guides on how to use them on the net.
I am interested in jumping on this shock and testing for myself.
Whats the difference between this shock and the CCDB? less adjustments and bigger oil flow orifices? And proprietary Demo only shock? That's too bad because 9"X3" is like the most common size shock out there. On the other hand it might be good for the Specialized to have a great company design a specific shock for their frame, with Leverage ratios and spring rates designed for one bike.
Reading about all of the shafts breaking on Demos might be contributed to the rear shock eyelet being hard mounted to the wishbone link/shock mount thus transferring side loads directly on to the shocks shaft. They say that if you already own a Demo you can put one of these shocks in your frame? I wonder how this mount is going to work with the"spherical bearing mount" that's supposed to allow for movement? Maybe it will just drop in, maybe what they didn't mention you would have to buy a new wishbone.
I have owned an older 2006 Demo, which is completely different than my 2012. I have ridden a DHXrc4 and a CCDB, both of which I haven't been able to tune to my satisfaction. Maybe this TTX is the answer? I hope it is. Maybe a new bike?
so only 5 people are going to buy it..
I hope CC copies the sideways facing piggyback configuration. Nice and compact and easy to access the adjustment settings.
Öhlins licensed it's TTX technology to Crane Creek for the Double Barrel. At the same time Crane Creek manufactures some shocks for Öhlins. But what happens now that Öhlins enterns directly into mtb market?.
Will they stop licensing the Double Barrel technology to Crane Creek?. Will they ask for more money? Will they keep cooperating?.
And they're going into the right direction by simplifying the setup options. 99.9% of riders get lost with so many options with the Crane Creek Double Barrel.
Welcome to the new king ... until someone comes with a better/cheaper or both solutions ... more info coming soon
www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/14-1199-Panigale-R-021-Ducati-Performance.jpg
It's definitely has a good pedigree...
Rear suspension:
Fully adjustable Ohlins TTX36 unit. Electronic compression and rebound damping adjustment. Adjustable linkage: Progressive/flat. Aluminum single-sided swingarm.
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385
although i will be upgrading all my fox stuff to avalanche when it comes time for service. 'good enough' isnt usually enough for me.. luckily people like craig at avalanche understand that
and if your trying to say this is the same as a CCDB, you are wrong sir. it is not.
if everything DVO has said, is true and they release their forks and shocks that you can rebuild your shim stack and put back together within 30-45 minutes, all the other companies are in BIGGGG trouble, they will have to start playing catch up to a rookie company in a market they once dominated.
Than there is BOS. By all accounts a great line of shocks.
Id considers CCs suspension dept to be boutique-esk. still small, but that doesnt mean they cant handle their own
And lets not forget X-Fusion. I do not see them being any less quality than Fox. Vector HLR Air is an awesome shock - much better than DHX Air ever was, and the coil version is easily on par; and the rest of the line-up is quite good as well. And they are the opposite of boutique.
If they keep a reasonable prices..
(end joke)
I admit its the best atm, but I garentee it won't be the best 5 years down the road....
Funny how people who drive VW Rabbits with paint-can exhaust pipes think their car is the best in the world, and claim "Ferraris are overpriced, doooode."