First Look: Öhlins TTX Shock

Jul 12, 2013 at 0:28
by Matt Wragg  
FIRST LOOK:

Öhlins TTX Shock
WORDS MATT WRAGG
PHOTOS CAMERON BAIRD/SPECIALIZED

bigquotesWe are quite proud to be partners with Ohlins and know that this is far and away the best shock ever created in the mountain bike world. - Sam Benedict, Specialized
Specialized certainly aren't shy about the new Demo and Enduro Evo-specific Öhlins TTX shock. It was all in the delivery of that sentence. You didn't get the feeling they were boasting or exaggerating, it was more like a statement of fact. Normally we would be deeply cynical about such a big claim, but there's one word in what Sam said that made us sit up and pay close attention: Öhlins. For a start, it is Öhlins themselves who designed the shock the TTX will inevitably be compared against - the Cane Creek Double Barrel.

The piggyback. Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird
The Öhlins TTX shock in its natural environment, a Specialized Demo.

If you follow motorsport, especially on two wheels, there's a good chance we don't need to tell you anything more about Öhlins. If they aren't a name you're familiar with, or they are just a word on the side of your Double Barrel with a funny umlaut over the ‘O,’ then understanding who they are and what they do helps put this shock into context. Started in Sweden by Kenth Öhlin in 1976, his suspension was piloted to its first Motocross World Champion title just two years later by Gennady Moiseev. From there, they built a reputation for making the best suspension in two-wheeled motor racing and, more recently, four-wheeled as well. In 2007, the company celebrated the 200th world title for racers using their shocks and forks.

Browsing through their hall of fame, the names include icons like Valentino Rossi, Casey Stoner, Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, Tommy Makkinen and Juan-Pablo Montoya. It's an impressive pedigree, no doubt, spanning MotoGP, Formula One, WRC, Indy 500, Les Mans, and nearly any other type of racing that involves an engine and, more importantly, suspension. There is something that makes their record even more incredible, Öhlins have never sponsored anyone with free suspension. Every single one of those racers and teams who won on Öhlins suspension had to pay to use it.
bigquotesFor sure, it has happened that riders have got things free from other companies and left us, but they have, for the most, returned to us after a month or two. - Kenth Ohlin
The TTX isn't Öhlins’ first foray into mountain bike suspension. They were responsible for the Cane Creek Double Barrel, which is widely recognised as the shock that all others are measured against today. At the time, the Double Barrel was the best shock that Öhlins could make, and we are sure that if they felt it wasn't up to scratch, it would have never seen the light of day with the Öhlins name associated to it. The Double Barrel, however, was designed seven years ago, and Öhlins has learned a lot more about suspension since...

Origins of the project

In a previous life as a motocross mechanic, well before he was Specialized's Director of Suspension, Mike McAndrews knew Kenth Öhlin. During Mike's recent travels they crossed paths again and they began talking about working together. Not long after, Specialized test rider and R&D mechanic Brad Benedict made his first trip to the Öhlins headquarters in Sweden for their first test session. Head engineer, Jason Chamberlain, explains: "We went in with no expectations whatsoever, purely to see what was possible... Mike McAndrews started talking to them and then when Brad started riding started riding the stuff, Mike and Brad started to realise there was the potential for more traction, for the rear wheel to track the ground better, and we realised there was something there."

Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird
Brad Benedict, testing with Öhlins

"The way they explained it to me was taking something from a box and putting it in a smaller box," says Benedict. "We had dyno'd out some other dampers that we were riding, just so they could see what everyone was working with. I noticed something was going on was when it started to rain. You put this shock on your bike and all of a sudden you'd just go straight through all these wet roots. I was not sure what was going on, but it just worked, and as we worked more, the traction went up even more. I think the thing is their ability to explain where the traction was lacking and they could just continuously make it better and better. Their biggest focus is traction. There are a lot of guys thinking about how it's going to land off a jump, and this and that, but they're constantly just thinking about traction."

A shock. Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird

The Öhlins TTX Shock

• Specifically designed for the Specialized Demo and Enduro Evo
• Twin-tube design
• Nitrogen-filled bladders to reduce cavitation
• 7 click rebound, 16 click low-speed compression and 3 click high-speed compression adjustment
• Springs in precise 24lb increments
• Available on 2014 bikes and framesets and aftermarket for existing Demo owners

The resulting shock is something rather special. Motocross riders may have already noticed that the Öhlins MTB shock shares its name with their current motocross damper, which is no coincidence. In terms of mountain bike suspension, comparing it to the Cane Creek Double Barrel is a good place to start to understand what they have created. First, there is the benefit of those seven years of progression by Öhlins and second, the new MTB shock is specifically designed for one bike. It could be argued that, because the Double Barrel was designed to work well with a wide range of bikes, it may not the ‘perfect’ shock for any one of them. All top mountain bike makers work closely with suspension manufacturers to develop custom-tuned shocks and forks, but it is rare for them to have the opportunity to co-develop a shock from the ground up for a specific bike.

At the heart of the new Öhlins MTB shock is a high-volume, twin-tube design, which, since the launch of the Double Barrel, is now a much more frequently-seen design in mountain biking. The twin tube itself is in the main shaft of the shock which creates two routes for the oil to flow through: either through the damper in the center, or freely along the sides. Adjustment then comes by altering how much oil flows through the damper and how much oil flows freely around the bypass tube. For the TTX, Öhlins slightly changed the standard piggyback layout we are used to seeing, turning it through 90 degrees and using shorter, fatter chambers to increase its external surface area to help cool the oil inside more efficiently. Inside the piggyback are two nitrile bladders filled with nitrogen, one for the rebound and one for the compression damping. Pressurizing both sides of the damping circuit helps the shock deal with one of the main issues that Öhlins wanted to tackle: cavitation.

Brad testing. Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird
  Brad Benedict, putting the TTX through its paces.

Cavitation occurs when there is a large pressure difference in the shock - where one part is under high pressure and another under a much lower pressure. The pressure drop creates air bubbles as the oil tries to equalise itself. When there are air bubbles going through your damper, they create inconsistency in the performance as they mix with the fluid and flow through the damper at a much higher rate. To combat this, the nitrogen bladders expand or contract, either pushing more oil from the reservoirs in the piggyback into the system or compressing to keep the pressure on the oil itself consistent. Öhlins say that this system using a pair of bladders helps to keep the internal pressure of the shock lower means they can use thinner walls on the shock body, helping to reduce the weight of the shock.

Shock parts. Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird
The TTX uses these unique, and distinctive, yellow Öhlins springs.

Öhlins places more emphasis on getting the correct spring weight than current mountain bike shock makers. Generally, springs are sold in 50-pound increments and it is accepted that there is a small margin of error for each spring. For the TTX, Öhlins offers springs in precise increments of 24 pounds, and those springs are made by the Öhlins factory. The many spring options Öhlins intends to offer, however, means that it will not be economically feasible for them to offer titanium springs for the TTX.

One area where they have taken a different approach to any other shock currently on the market is in the mounting. The TTX uses a spherical bearing mount, so the shock isn't a structural component of the frame. This means that the shock can move freely within the frame a small amount, so under hard cornering, for example, the lateral forces aren't transferred to the shock because they would restrict its movement.

Unlike the almost infinitely adjustable Double Barrel shock, Öhlins and Specialized made the decision to restrict the range of adjustment available to the new shock. This was possible because the damper design is so specific to the Demo and the Enduro Evo. As Specialized's director of high-end mountain bikes Brandon Sloan sets out, "We wanted to keep the adjustment range really simple. You can only adjust what you need to adjust. On our other bikes there are a lot of adjustments that we just don't need within the usable range of the bike." The new shock has a single low-speed-rebound adjuster with seven positions. For the compression damping, there are separate high and low-speed adjustments. The low-speed dial has 16 positions; the high-speed dial has only three positions.

Mitch testing... Photos courtesy of Specialized Cameron Baird
  Mitch Ropelato was heavily involved in the testing, when his wheels were on this ground...

Servicing is one of the big questions we always have when we see proprietary shock technology. Everything needs servicing and most things tend to fail when you're furthest from home. With the technology in the TTX and Öhlin's precise oil requirements (you're not going to want to improvise one of these with olive oil) they aren't serviceable by just anybody. The first piece of good news is that the service interval on the shock is 50 hours riding time, or one year, which is reasonable. Its predecessor, the Double Barrel, has proven its reliability over the last seven years. Secondly, being such a global company, Specialized have service centres all over the world who will be trained to service these shocks. Finally, Öhlins admitted that if you were really stuck you should be able to take it into any Öhlins supplier, regardless of their speciality, and they should be able to offer you some support and assistance as the technology is used throughout their range, although they may not have some of the special tools for this shock. There is also good news for existing Demo owners - the TTX will be available aftermarket from Specialized stores. It will fit any Demo from 2012 or newer, prices are yet to be confirmed.

First impressions:
We had an afternoon testing on a Demo equipped with TTX shock before the Val di Sole World Cup this year. As we always stress, there is only so much you can tell with so little time. This was made worse by the nature of the Val di Sole track, it's not really the place to go to try and work out your settings and find confidence in a new bike... Accepting that the World Cup track was just too much for this we hit the freeride track that runs underneath the lift. After a few runs of starting to understand the bike the first thing we had to do was completely reset the fork from our usual settings and re-adjust it to match the rear shock. Brad made us feel better about this when he explained that even Mitch Ropelato had to go through a similar process because it felt so different from how he was used to running his bike. Brad gave him settings from his testing with Öhlins and left him to get used to them. There is no doubt that most people will need time to adjust to the TTX. What is immediately apparent is that it is a class act, but if it was anything less we would have been sorely disappointed. Just how good it is remains to be seen; where this shock should shine is on those small percentages that separate the great from the good, where it stays that little bit more composed, recovers faster or grips longer. We'll have one on long-term test soon and will let you know if it lives up to Specialized's claim of it being "The best shock ever created in the mountain bike world." - Matt Wragg





363 Comments

  • + 239
 Sorry but my first thought when I saw the headline saying 'developed by Ohlins and Specialized' was Ohlins working on the shock and Specialized making coffee and buying lunch. Willing to bet it's going to be a killer shock though!
  • + 21
 And saying "please pay more attention guys, while we take a nap" Smile )
  • + 1
 Lol!
  • - 71
flag jaame (Jul 15, 2013 at 1:29) (Below Threshold)
 If you put a great shock on a shit bike... is it still great?
  • + 42
 The demo is a shit bike? lol
  • + 9
 Is it?
Still some people using it, should we call them shit riders.
Basically you are saying im throwing $4000 in the toilet every morning?
  • + 32
 Why not? Demo is not a great frame. I've swaped demo for intense, and before this i've got operator. So if to compare: demo was not the best of.
  • - 17
flag Wad1 (Jul 15, 2013 at 3:26) (Below Threshold)
 Are you joking or what?
  • + 36
 Why throw shit at them? C'm on, Specialized does bloody amazing bikes, if not SX Trail in Roam people would still talk shit that you need f*cking 200mm bike to jump anything bigger than 5ft drop. Stumpjumper Evo is in a league of it's own as well. Now the Enduro 29. They are in the forefront.

I think that Spec guys stood at the side watching guys from Öhlins work in the same way a 5yr old kid stares at a Ferrari or racer mbike - drooling in awe.
  • + 25
 demo is not a 'shit' bike but its not everyone that will like the geo of this bike for sure compared to other frames... i think ohlins should try to work to develop the shock for other frames but its only my opinion Blank Stare
  • + 14
 Funny that the ccdb broke in every demo frame and now they are making their own proprietary shock with öhlins.
  • + 7
 I have and always will have the mentality that they are just Special Ed..........not a fan
  • - 2
 You just made my day with that one! hahahaha
  • + 41
 CCDBs wouldn't have broken had they used sphericals on the Demo. the rest of us who run CCDBs on other frames have zero issues. I can see why they're making a proprietary shock with Ohlins - most people have no idea how to properly dial in a CCDB. even worse - far too many hacks feel the need to cry and stomp their feet on the internet when their crap shock setup result in a poor ride, blaming the shock instead of their lack of suspension setup knowledge. Specialized is doing s smart thing - they'll end up with far more happy customers!
  • + 3
 My CCDB is still going strong , but your right its funny how ONLY CCDBs break and not others right ? Do you see any of the Fox shocks or the Vivids breaking? Nope .... So that must say something about the shock not the frame .
  • + 16
 that really only says negative things about Demo frames IMO, not the CCDB. the shaft on a CCDB is much smaller than other shocks, giving it FAR less stiction than RC4s and Vivids, but by being smaller it won't handle side loads as well (and can break because of them). ask yourself why this new Ohlins shock comes with sphericals on Demos, and not traditional DUs. bike frames should never produce side loads that can snap shock shafts yet Demos, and apparently only Demos, seem to.
  • + 18
 I have FOUR years on my CCDB, with only oil changes yearly. ZERO problems. The only frame that breaks CCDBs is the demo. Concindence? I think not.
  • - 2
 Could they have chosen a worse colour? I have never seen a bike in "mustard" " yellow before.
  • + 8
 Actually I have heard of other brands breaking on the Demos other than CC. Make sure the bearing get special attention at the yolk!
  • + 12
 As much as this is a nice attempt on spin for Spesh, the fact they need this extremely high tech, and likely expensive shock (MX shocks are about $1200.00 IIRC) to get the rear of the demo to work is just bad publicity.
  • + 9
 ohlins = yellow. It's like asking mx honda to switch to kawi green. nbd. Pretty cool shock spec though. I guess Specialized decided just to walk down the street from cane creek to ohlins usa. It makes sense if you can simplify the "infinitely" tuneable ccdb platform from the guys who designed it from the ground up. Now, if they could just simply make retrofits for that clevis link for '10-'12 enduros...
  • + 0
 Forgive me if I am misunderstanding this article, but is this shock only for specialized bikes? That seems a bit stupid with all the othe bike out there. I for one would put one on my bike if they changed the color. It just seems like they are limiting their market to only one kind of bike.... That's a lot of lost revenue.

Or I completely misunderstood that article an I am wrong Razz

The shock sounds good performance wise, but aesthetically it's not very appealing IMO
  • + 9
 This article really makes me want to go out and get a Demo. I mean, what other bike gives you the frame flexibility to make those hairpin corners. Because its like a noodle, it will just make those corners look easy Smile

I guess the only bad part is you break your shock in the process
  • + 3
 c4mtb: Looks aren't the point. I agree in that the reservoir shape doesn't look great, but if you had read the article you'd know there's a good reason for the shock looking the way it does. As far as color, as fullbug mentioned, Ohlins is and has always been yellow. If you see a motorcycle with a yellow coil, chances are it's Ohlins.
  • + 1
 I understand its not all about looks but other companies have shown that they can combine performance and looks.
  • + 12
 ohlins understood that the ccdb can't be beaten in terms of tuneability...it's one of the best shocks that can be made...(ohlins craftmanship in there)

so, what was a clever way to have a shock by their own, but not come in full battle with the ccdb?

a shock that is specifically designed for some bikes that sell vast amounts....

that would be specialized bikes...

smart move Smile
  • + 3
 i think they needed an oem spec with ccdb performance so it just makes sense to go to the well. how that affects prices can be good or bad comparitively to a ccdb spec. Ohlins brand color is their trademark as much as the their letter O. If the i2i/shock length on the demo is standard(i don't know) you could replace the spring but i doubt you could find anyone who would make it in such close increments weight-wise ever. That's how precise their tunes can be. that's gettin pretty close to factory tuned without being sponsored...i think. i'd run a clapped out set of wheels to put money into suspension first any day. if i have money! it's always been about grip first, right?
  • + 3
 Fyi the yellow is Ohlins trademark colour
  • + 7
 LOOKS EXPENSIVER!!
  • + 4
 Now if they just made it fit or retro-fittable to other frames and an air version i would happily run one and it would be in yellow too so people knew what shock im weaponing it on
  • + 1
 @elanto
Didnt i just say that at the begining
And the other guy mentioned
Colour it.
Easy.
  • + 3
 I didn't weave through all the comments "ain't nobody got time for that" just ppl moaning about the colour caught my eye, this and deemax ultimates with fox 40 float on something like an evil undead would be to damm sexxy to even think about riding incase you scratched it haha
  • + 2
 le meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem
  • + 3
 s#!+ just noticed the 0: face on the side I will now pay a million dollars for this
  • - 3
 It is absolutely the right thing for specialized to do, and absolutely the wrong thing for Ohlins to do. Why would you, the world leader in motorcycle suspension, team up exclusively with a mediocre bike brand to launch your first foray into MTB?

It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

I'd buy Ohlins on reputation alone, but how am I to get one for any bike other than Spesh? Totally uncool Ohlins.
  • + 4
 @Jaame - Eee Spec - mediocre? Who is evidently better then. And with all due respect who are you (and any of us here) to tell Öhlins what they should or should not do?

It's like seeing a couple on the street, coming up to them and saying "girl - that man don't deserve you!" - their reaction would be adequate to Öhlins engineer reading all those negative opinions here: it would could go anywhere from a simple "piss of" to "what the f is your problem, mind your own business".

I really don't get all this negativity towards Spec.
  • + 3
 ugly ass shock but I imagine it works really well!!! Smile
  • + 1
 the vital review has better info IMO and even a comparison with the fox rc4 www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385 I think it sounds like its going to be a great shock for the demo. @WAKIdesigns give it a year or two and everyone will be back on the spec bandwagon haha
  • - 9
flag RodRamsey (Jul 16, 2013 at 19:27) (Below Threshold)
 I hate to burst your little bubbles but this like most things in mtb way blown out over hyped bs. Ohlins was good in the euro moto scene lol whatever that is. Swedish meatball ikea shock bro. Ever heard of Ryan Villopoto the best rider on 2 wheels on the planet right now? He runs Showa front/back just like me and many east coasters familiar with Avalanche shocks. Looks like we way ahead of you guys again but don't sweat it. All you have to do is order the Avalanche upgrade kit and you too can be a sick mofo like us easterners and Villopoto Number 1 getr done.
  • - 8
flag RodRamsey (Jul 16, 2013 at 19:33) (Below Threshold)
 Ohlins 1975 Swedish champine! Haaaaaaaaaaa. In case you still not getting it Avalanche is Showa, and Showa is Avalanche. Now repeat with me Avalanch suspension uses Showa parts, best in the world! Thankyouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
  • + 1
 Not that having the best shock makes any difference to the average joe weekend rider anyway. We should all be using Van RCs and spending the extra on learning how to ride.

Why am I bashing Specialized and saying the Demo is a shit bike?

In a word, Gwin.
  • + 1
 well the new demo is known for snapping CCDB's.. hopefully this shock eyelet is stronger to prevent snapping in full compression..
and i traded my demo in for a legend,.. and i must admit.. i was happy with it,.. but its not "the best bike" ... well not for everyone.. Salute
  • + 1
 how do these 2 bikes compare? make a summary!!! Smile
  • + 1
 they dont.. FSR and VPP is totally different,. i cant ride street anymore (or as good) on my legend Frown
but it rocks wayy better on trails..
  • + 1
 You know, i've had 4 specialized bikes: two big hits, enduro(old one) and demo, the worst was demo. If u think thats im newbie, who doesnt know what he's talking about: intense socom is my 17-th bike. I've swaped soo omany frames dual suspension and ht frames, and the best is intense. The worst, it seems its made from foil - the fact, worse than kona Smile
  • + 1
 what do you mean 'ride street'?

have you ridden a v10?
  • - 3
 a v-10 and a legend are identical with their suspension design.. and yes i do ride street on my DH bike.. and i dont mean by street riding,, the gay brakeless shitty bike kind of riding..
  • + 5
 How exactly is Legends suspension identical to V10? VPP has counter rotating links resulting in increasing leverage and quite horisontally moving ic, while legend has a completely different ic migration due to links rotating in same direction.

@Jaame? what does Aaron have to do with Demo being a good or bad bike? Sarcasm? Big Grin @Iamonfire - if you went through so many bikes man... How can you tell anything? I need a season on a bike to really say something. Big Hit better than Demo?!

This gets really out of hand, this thread got too long, demons woke up and mess our brains.

let's hate on 650b and fixies!
  • - 5
flag RodRamsey (Jul 17, 2013 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 The legend is same as vpp haaaaaa thats some wishfull dreaming. All these new bikes have hard to access rear shocks and weak mounts, pivots. If you go thru too many bikes your probably missing the real potential of each frame. The more time the better, if it lasts past 1 season lol, aluminum foil frames, carbon vs shale landslides. You guys running it smooth out west. That weenie weight stuff dont last here on the rough coast of hurricane damaged trails and rocks bigger than your house and car. The racers have support, OOoooO thats why they come to Plattekill with 20 bikes. Maybe leave with one or two.
  • + 3
 cool story bro..
  • - 4
flag RodRamsey (Jul 17, 2013 at 8:48) (Below Threshold)
 Glad you liked it. I can only advise and watch the carnage as a freerider. You racer bois can debate this an that its all wack. Give it too ya don't say nuthin.
  • + 1
 which are the 'these all new bikes'???????????
  • + 4
 @RodRamsey: Villipoto's fork and shock are hand made, and worth 50k. They are not production models. You wouldn't want them. The service life is something like 3-4h between rebuilds. Production units are nearly as good as Ohlins, and the works production Showa stuff is about the same as Ohlins, with looser seals and bushings to minimize stiction. They require more frequent service.
  • + 1
 RV can ride his ohlins equipped demo with seely and reed since they're Specialized motorsports athletes...i think
  • - 4
flag RodRamsey (Jul 17, 2013 at 16:28) (Below Threshold)
 Actually Villopoto tried an air Showa fork recently and hated it. Put the sping muffugga right back on. I sure as fuck hope the number 1 rider on 2 wheels has a specially built fork. If not I going to jump on his team manager next time at Budds Creek. Reed could ride the euro circuit on a 125cc and win everything. James Stewart falls every race now, down goes Stewart, here come Stewart jr.
  • + 2
 eey rod.. is there some sort of "special" village where you people come from ???
  • + 1
 Yea cyberhawk! They kicked me out!
  • - 6
flag RodRamsey (Jul 18, 2013 at 3:51) (Below Threshold)
 Have you ever heard of New York City little guy? Look us up if you know how to read a map. Do they teach map skills in taiwan? Come thru and I give you the grand tour. Then we go down to Red Rock and try keeping up with James Stewart.
  • + 5
 Taiwan? His flag is from Europe dumbass, Netherlands, have you ever heard of it? Oh no... So you're part of these people who don't know geography? Sad... Smile
  • + 1
 Rod - did you vote for Romney by a chance?
  • + 1
 Rod, Ryan Dungey has as many championships as Vilipoto. Vilipoto is outright faster, but isn't as consistent. Stewart is the fastest, but he is magnetically attracted to the ground, or is an alien who needs instant soil ingestion at very inopportune times.
  • + 0
 psychologically proven : racers are insecure people.. who constantly need to prove themselves.. to them selves or others..
  • + 1
 Well everyone has certain insecurities, and everyone deals with them in a different way. Some insecurities motivate, other paralyze. For instance some people deal with their insecurities by masturbating, others by buying SUVs or BMWs and driving like assholes. Others by selling a perfectly fine bike and buying one with a different shock, or wheel size... So if someone has issues that push him to do absolutely anything to win a race then God and Science bless him...
  • - 2
 The only time Stewart was consistent was when he raced small bikes, and the year he dominated outdoors on the big bike. He has always pushed the envelope too hard to be considered consistent, but I would call him the fastest ever.
  • + 2
 Emig was faster in 94 I reckon
  • + 2
 ^if your old then i'm crusty. astrodome in '87. wardy won, johnnyO, rj, glover were still shreddin and "chicken" was coming!
  • + 1
 amen. i remember seeing the goat for the first time in vegas for sx final thru some head-high whoops. pinned and off the pegs. amazing. that 2002 outdoor season is untouchable...by anyone. ever. my favorite rider was always bayle though. smooth. anything on dirt works for me! moto and rally are favorites for sure.
  • + 1
 got video of carmichael and stewart @ loretta's! that's beyond crusty! love talkin moto.
  • + 1
 young guns..barcia,tomac,roczen. i agree with ya on 22. maybe he and stewart are gonna end up stacked in a brawl.
  • + 60
 Possibly another great rear shock that you can't and won't be able to service yourself. I'm willing to pay A LOT for a great shock with easy home maintenance.
  • + 20
 Check out the DVO Jade... I wanna get my hands on one of those. Built just for user tuneability
  • + 4
 rc4 is incredibly easy to service
  • + 4
 "service interval on the shock is 50 hours riding time, or one year, which is reasonable"
Isn't it any issue whis this timing ? Anybody using his bike twice a week for 2 afternoons will reach 50 hours quite quickly !!!!
And service only in spesh shop... That means to bring my bike each 2 months at least for service and pay for that 6 times a year...
WHAT A JOKE !!!!!
  • + 6
 Right. And you probably drive a Toyota Camry, you high-performance guy.
  • + 4
 If you want to compare, I own a MK6 VW GTI with service intervals of 15000km so let's say 150 hours @ 100km/h average speed, or 300 hours @ 50km/h... And they don't even look at the shocks.
So, yes, service is a business too.
  • + 1
 But when is your average speed going to be 100km/h???
  • + 0
 @snoopy.

how so? are you using a guide? ive seen a few... rc4 does not look fun to service.
  • + 6
 @ gnrarlized , 50 hours riding on a DH bike is long time dude , think about it most of its life is spent being pushed/driven/lifted to the top of the trail to be ridden for just a few minutes back down again.
  • + 3
 When racing moto, I had my shock rebuilt 2-3x per season. The oil heats and wears out, losing its tune. No modern shock with Nitrogen pressure is truly user serviceable. They all need to be charged properly.
  • + 1
 I'm far far away to be a professional rider but I have found the sweet spot settings on my FOX RC4, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!
  • + 3
 50 hours is a pathetic service interval, considering they want to make shocks for trail bikes also. That number is so embarrassing it makes the high-maintenance FOX shocks look pretty good. Then consider what the ridiculous price will be for all this technology...no thanks just give me a Rock Shox rear shock that I can rebuild in my own garage.
  • + 1
 I think a lot of people significantly underestimate how long 50 hours of actual riding time on a downhill bike is. Put an hour counter on your dirt bike and you will quickly be surprised at how much of your ride is spent not riding, and that's in a sport where you don't need to hike, shuttle, or ride a chairlift once you've unloaded your rig.
  • + 0
 regardless it still a very short interval and makes their products seem unreliable compared to all the other brands. even if it was the best shock ever which it isn't it would still be not worth it to have to be paranoid about that short of a service interval.
  • + 1
 It would be unreliable if it broke. Changing oil and inspecting a high performance product at a 50h interval is pretty normal. MX engined and shocks have approx that interval, give or take. This isn't unusual. Pro MX equipment has a service interval of 2-4h.
  • + 40
 Great odins spatula!..... They must have spent years developing technology to keep the back of that van so clean. Its mesmerizing.
  • + 7
 By Thor! You're right! I can see it clearly now!
  • + 34
 I woke up this morning thinking, the Demo line just wasn't expensive enough, I'm glad they did something to fix that.
  • + 3
 zing!
  • + 4
 I'm surprised it took nearly 70 post to put that together. Goes to show how we in the MTB community are all to happy to be constantly and consistantly charged more to ride a bike. From $120 shorts to $8000 carbon bikes, all made for all most nothing in Asia. Imagine if you will if just half was made in the U.S. Resession over, men could hold there heads up high again and be proud to supporters of their families. Their would be a blue collar middle class again.
Well if you didn't read in between the lines of the article, Specialized is paying for this upgrade. (? if this is a upgrade) This currant Demo has never been the best bike, but its far, far, far away from being the worst. Specialized needs Ohlins more than the other way around. The truth of the matter is that the Demo has been living off reputation alone for some time now. It needs this shot in the arm.
  • + 3
 I'd argue that the Demo is actually living on more than just reputation. It still stands as one of the best freeride bikes that I have ever ridden, it just never has been the best DH race bike on the market. As an old school cyclist, I am not at all okay with everything costing more to ride. I have a wife, kids, and a mortgage. I ride everyday, and it pains me to see the cost skyrocket. I am not Fairclough or Semenuk, I will never ride beyond the boundaries of a Fox Shock with a little love from Push Industries. Most of us here never will be that good. Honestly, if you need that shock, someone else is paying you to ride it. I speak for a majority of riders out there who want to see the industry allow us to just shut up and ride our bikes. I asked Fox about a budget line in their latest ask Fox session and I was completely ignored. The industry simply does not care about those of us who just want to ride, they simply want to set a benchmark for crazed consumerism and price most of us out of the market.
  • + 1
 only top of the line demos and enduro evos have them
  • + 25
 Let's wait for mtb brakes from Brembo))
  • + 5
 That would actually be pretty awesome, except for that price tag.
  • + 5
 Brembo already made them, I believe they were discontinued tho!
  • + 1
 They were like 700g per brake - fuck that!
  • - 2
 did you just say 700 gold ? :O
  • - 4
flag WAKIdesigns (Jul 15, 2013 at 6:02) (Below Threshold)
 No, 700 alumyNYM
  • + 2
 Lets wait for MTB brakes from Nissin Wink affortable and strong they will be!
  • - 3
 Nissan has crazy powerful automotive brakes. Unlike my honda civic, which has crap brake
  • + 7
 NISSIN, not Nissan. Two completely different companies were talking about.
  • + 4
 Ah, foolish i feel.
  • + 8
 Formula is as close to Brembo as MTB brakes get currently.
  • + 3
 +1 for willie.

id still love to see some brembos though
  • + 5
 Lul whuut ?? Think you forgot about hopes -_-
  • + 0
 Nissan brakes all the way
  • + 1
 toyota>nissan
  • + 1
 240sx > ae86 .. Drift ftw
  • + 4
 get outta here with that..
  • + 24
 Now this is the kind of tech that need's to go into bikes. Not electricity or batteries!
Too bad it's a proprietary. Frown
  • + 2
 no worries.. we've got great aftermarket suspension companies to help us out. avalanche, mojo, push, etc etc.. it would be cool to have an ohlins shock, but spesh is obviously hoggin em.. so let em have em!
  • + 3
 Yeah, as far as I know there is only 1 place around here in a 150km radius that can perform suspension maintenance without a rediculous turnaround time. If that guy can't work on the shock, I'm not buying it. I was really happy when I read the article title but when I saw it was super specific I was quite disappointed. With the DH season being so short around here, I'm not risking losing my shock for 3 months. Prioprietary stuff is a big no no for me.
  • + 1
 well, in reality, you should get your stuff serviced in the off season to minimize downtime.. and yeah, not a fan of proprietary stuff.. one of the main reasons why i stick to fox is cause theres a lot of aftermarket support for upgrades, as well as not needing to be a rocket scientist to service it.
  • + 2
 Last time I got my stuff serviced by fox, I sent it in at the end of december and got it back somewhere in april. I don't even want to imagine how long it would take during the season. That's why I rely on a local guy who has a super quick turnaround time so when my shock/fork starts to go crappy out of nowhere (HI ROCKSHOCK!) well at least I don't loose my bike for the rest of the season. So if that local guy can't take care of it, even if I would love to buy it, I can't take that risk.
  • + 1
 i know what you mean.. i hear craig at avalance isnt bad, so when all my new fox stuff is feeling a little bleh, ill be throwing my money at him. i know that factory is always a great thing, but as youve already stated. they take far too long.
  • + 18
 You can tell how aggressively they're ramming it down your throat to get you to buy it with phrases like "this is far and away the best shock ever created" I mean you wouldn't get car/motorcycle/small bike brands vomiting this amount of PR Bullshit. I have no doubt it works very well on the demo as it is Ohlins and they know what they are doing. But to go as far to say it is the "far and away the best shock ever created" sure that works for your frames spesh, because it was specifically made for your frames. But being "far and away the best shock ever created" does not apply to any other frames. What he should have said was "We worked with Ohlins to make a proprietary shock for our frames, this shock is the best shock for our frames only." Unless of course there is a version becoming available for other frame manufacturers (can anyone confirm this), and you actually prove this, that statement is completely ridiculous.

But jeez I hate it when big companies act like this. So a DVO test is what I want to see next...
  • + 6
 If you speak to any (European)motorcyclist, they will tell you the best improvements in suspension can be attained by fitting an Ohlins shock.
  • + 3
 Yes their suspension wisdom is amazing
  • + 2
 If you've ever ridden an Ohlins suspended bike, you wouldn't question it. I have a 1983 Husqvarna with twin Ohlins on the back. It works as well as any modern bike (it has been significantly revalved and resprung to match current terrain though.) I have had Ohlins on KTMs as well, and night and day difference from the WP.
  • + 3
 Willie, the reason people think that Ohlins is the greatest is not because of the suspension technology they use typically. Modern motocross forks are all relatively similar. The Ohlins stuff is nice there is no doubt but I could never be convienced to go out and buy an all new Ohlins setup again for any of my bikes. A properly tuned setup is just as good if not better.
  • + 6
 @deathchr, @Willie1
Raggi-Boy still get the point since spesh doesn't prove their statement, and will never prove it since their is NO WAY to prove it...
And Ohlins being surely the best shock for motorsport doens't prove TO THIS POINT they will make it in MTB.
And even if it is "the best shock ever created", you still have to prove that the demo suspension system is the best, i.e., you can have the better shock, if your linkage, ratios etc... is crap, it still will worth nothing...
So, once again, this kind of declaration is only marketing BS since the real message they want to send is "WE ARE THE FIRST TO OWN OHLINS TECH IN OUR BIKES, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM".
And all the tech junkies we are will start to kneel down and worship the almighty spesh god, and jubilate...
  • + 2
 Ohlins are manifactured to tighter tolerances than any of the other brands. Showa makes a works kit, as does WP, which are basically the same level of tolerance of Ohlins, but due to their more limited production from Ohlins, they are more expensive. To date, Ohlins has not entered a new market without having the best product in that market. They have an unbelievable track record. I see no reason to doubt this will be the same as the last several hundred products they released.
  • + 2
 @Willie1
I do not blame Ohlins, I just blame spesh for having such a big mouth : "this is far and away the best shock ever created in the mountain bike world", only based on their own tests on their own frames, and Ohlins' overwhelming reputation.
  • + 2
 Seriously? This isn't a scholarly journal article! It is an ad! Also, automotive companies use at least as much "PR Bullshit."

"The relentless pursuit of perfection"

"The ultimate driving machine"

Take your pick.
  • + 1
 Keep your standard equipment then. Some of us like the better products and will pay for them.
  • + 5
 As usual, no technical facts in this article... Just full on Specialized PR Spin...

Please "pimple-faced teenagers", put on your critical thinking caps on.

"Best shock ever" opinion is based on what data??? I am waiting for real info, data and reasons...

@ Willie1: So what tolerances are you quoting from Ohlins and compared to what shock company? Seems like you are claiming you have read all companies parts drawings and came up with an educated conclusion. Please back it up with facts. Thanks!!! Smile
  • - 1
 Specialized should not be claiming it's the best shock ever made if it has never been tested in a World Cup race. If this shock is really the Bee's Knee's, then why hasn't the fastest DH racer in the history of the sport (Gwinny) been racing on it and testing it?

Motorcycles and MTB's are like apples and oranges, there are as many differences as their are similarities, and more than one
respectable moto company has failed in the pedal-bike arena in the past after high expectations based upon their motor-bike history.

A decent shock will allow a fast racer to win on a properly-designed DH bike, but not even "the best shock in the world" will make up for those inadequate chainstays and improperly designed geometry the Demo has become infamous for.
  • - 1
 will-burr keep trolling. I suppose if Ferrari were to announce a new engine, you would assume it was possibly crap?


I have personally measured many brands of forks and shocks to assess for wear, and Ohlins was always spot on. Couldn't say that for other brands. They have wider production tolerances, so they can be produced cheaper. This isn't really a question. All people who work on suspension know Ohlins has the tightest tolerances in the industry.l
  • + 1
 Please elaborate on these measurement methods of yours. Sounds like all the same marketing bs I've seen on pinkbike without any backup proof.
  • + 1
 I'm talking about measuring piston clearances, bushing clearances, tube diameter consistency, shim specs. Why the doubt? All the specs are in the manuals, and the +/- values for acceptable tolerances are listed. I have worked on my own equipment for almost 30 years. Ohlins is in a class by itself. I am curious, how is me working on my equipment and noting exacting build tolerances marketing?
  • + 15
 I love it except the yellow coil. The shock it's self does sound promising.
  • + 17
 The yellow is the signature i say.
  • + 5
 It is their sig color. I have them on my Evo and the springs are yellow. Rock it with pride!!!!
  • - 1
 paint it
  • + 3
 As the others said the yellow is ohlins signature colour
  • + 1
 My MX Ohlins were yellow. Its the way they run.I got the gold CCDB rather than the all black because of this heritage.
  • + 1
 @Willie1, I agree with you about Formula Brakes and Ohlin suspension.

That being said, I would be very happy with a CCDBACS, even if it is only the second best shock available.
  • + 1
 was thinking if it is possible to just swap the springs with the correct ID and OD, length, and spring rate. thus it will be possible to mount Ti spring on them
  • + 1
 It would work, but there is no guarantee the spring rate you need will be available in Ti.
  • + 12
 The rear shock of the Demo is not what is holding Gwin back, it's the ultra-short 420mm chainstays. Maybe Specialized should focus on re-engineering the geometry for real World Cup DH racing courses instead of focusing on this improving the already-fine shock. Once their was a fast racer by the name of Gwin, dominated the world and he never would sin. Hopped on a Demo cause he thought the big S was cool, but it all backfired and now Specialized looks like the fool. Short Chainstays are great for bike park berms but on a world cup track they lack stability in the turns. Get this man of faith some longer chainstays so he can get back to his wining ways.
  • - 1
 it's the team and himself, not the bike, once he adapts he'll be fine
  • + 42
 Spoken like a true internet expert. Do you also know the secret to cold fusion by any chance?
  • + 24
 Can you fix my flux capacitor?
  • + 13
 I'll fix your flux capacitor if you let me have the delorean for weekends
  • + 7
 Just Saturday and Sunday, 9-5 and you've got a deal!
  • + 10
 Camoguy1: You must ref*ckulate the carbonator.
  • + 3
 Poem for your sprog eh Protour?
  • + 11
 apiom: Breaker breaker, come in earth. this is rocket ship 27. Aliens f*cked over the carbonater in engine number four. Gonna try and ref*ckulate it and land on juniper. and hopefully they got some space weed. over

Classic.
  • + 3
 SV6123 is winning! Funny as hell! Big Grin
  • + 1
 i would kinda agree with protour but it's not the chainstay length, it's the axle path's inability to deal with plowing. compare brendog's rear end through gnar in old days on the 223 and on the demo, from what i've seen the demo looks much more nervous yet both brendog and the shock were crappier back then than today. demo is a park bike for jumps and berms, not a dh racer.
  • + 2
 @Protour. You have a massive chip on your shoulder about the chain stays. You are just so repetitive, as you say the same crap on every article that mentions a Demo. Give it a rest already, you loose credibility ranting the same garbage. I actually think the Demo chainstays, whilst shorter compared to some others, are not that short. In the context of the geometry as a whole, I think it is fine. The BB is set further back closer to the rear wheel than others, therefore giving the stats that the chainstay is shorter, yet this also increases the Reach, of which the Demo has a large Reach. The contacts points (feet and hands) are perfectly offset from their respective axles making the weight distribution even and balanced. If you look at other frames, I'd say the weight is slightly forward as the BB is further to the front (in turn a longer wheelbase). None of them are wrong, just different and they suit different people.
  • + 4
 sam hill has 2 world championship wins on a demo does he not? just because other guys are going fast on other bikes, doesnt mean its the bike, gwin just needs to pick up his game a little.
  • + 1
 * BB is further to the front (in turn a longer chainstay)

Oops.
  • + 2
 The Demo probably has shorter chainstays than your trail bike(if it isn't a Specialized), so yes, they are ultra short.

pretty sure Hill only won 1 rainbow jersey on a Demo, and he slid his rear out and crashed more often than he won races, the classic Demo crash. He got dramatically slower on the Demo, and it wasn't all injuries.

I'll stop ranting about it when Gwin gets the right bike from Specialized, because his poor performances this year is due to the bike. I'm really hoping he will have a bike with longer chainstays by the next race, the difference of 20 mm longer stays would make an incredible difference in Gwin's results.
  • + 2
 Or to get longer stays, give it a more rearward axle path(higher virtual pivot) and an idler perhaps. Heck just chuck a gearbox at the idler location and your done Specialized.
  • - 1
 Protour is correct on thisd one. The short chainstays result in a horrible weight distribution. The BB is proportionally 20-30mm rearward compared to other top bikes.
  • + 1
 Does the bike have replaceable drop outs? If so, perhaps moving the rear axle via new dropouts to effectively create longer chainstays is something the aftermarket can tackle?

I ride a Big Hit, which was arguably a terrible bike until the aftermarket companies made new linkages for the rear to improve travel, geo and fitting of a 26" wheel. So I know there may be some hope for the Demo!
  • + 2
 whats all the hating about the demo and its short chainstay all over sudden. only because of gwin is not that successful at the moment. i dont have a demo but i like how it rides...that unsuitable cs length debate gets a little out of control i think. not to forget that the devinci wilson and also the new gt fury have also a rather short cs with 430mm (low setting) and 432mm compared to other bikes on the market. and both were pretty successful with stevie wins in hafjell and gee winning everything so far. so gt changed its new winning geometrie closer to the demos than it used to be..of course it is even longer and slacker but still. also the new scott gambler was designed for brandon fairclough that came from specialized and it has the exact same chainstay length (421mm) like the demo...so why engineering something that is not good enough for world cups...i myself ride a norco aurum that also has a similar short cs....so i guess they are all wrong!? i think people just hating because the demo is still so successful (saleswise) but only the most dominant rider hasnt won yet, they can jump on that fact now and have finally something to bash on. maybe you guys are all over spesh even more now because öhlins works only with them. dont know why so many people get so rageous in the internet these days..just go out on the trails and release your extensive pressure there or elsewhere.
  • + 2
 The Wilson has a shorter wheelbase. With 10mm longe CSs and shorter FC,the weight is more balanced. For the record, you can geel evrey 10mm, or even 7mm in many cases changes in BB position. Its not the CS length alone, its the placement of the BB between the axles. The Demo has the most rearward BB of any of the modern bikes. I haven't looked at the Fury spec yet, but 10mm longer is a definite difference.
  • + 1
 yeah i know what you are saying and i know that you can def. feel a 10mm difference as far it is on the same bike. not sure if it is better when it has a better balance on a horizontal ground...maybe that rearwarded bb makes sense in the very steep terrain. my norco has a 425mm cs and a measured wheelbase of 1195mm (1176mm announced). it rides amazing like a pumptrack through the rough stuff..have never ridden a better bike..but here we are again..it also about personal feel and preference i guess...and when you have a closer look and compare a demo to the fury exactly...cs to wheelbase, you have for the demo: 421mm to 1191mm...fury: 432mm/1231mm. so the fury is even more rearwarded when you do the calculation...it is almost the same though. so what know??
  • + 1
 You have to take into account not just static numbers, but the changes in geometry as well as the bike goes through its travel ie wheel path. The demo has an issue with rear end stiffness too, breaking shocks, possibly from side loading. There are other factors like TT position, which is a smaller weight distribution item, but a large rider feel issue. The Demo also has a high leverage ratio in the rear. Gwin is running a 500lbs spring, quite a bit heavier than standard for a rider on the WC of his weight with other designs. There are a lot of confounding variables. The short rear gives a more playful feel to a bike compensating for the overly slack front ends that have been the marketing push in recent years. For the average rider, the demo will be a better park bike than the session for example, not that the session would be bad. The session will be more stable at speed, and be better balanced in extreme or race conditions. Part of the problem is the manufacturers are using one bike to fill two markets, DH, and park bikes with differing needs.
  • + 3
 How did this string of comments come from this article? Nowhere in the article is Gwin mentioned? Or anything to do with him running this shock since he's sponsored by fox, just, damn, internet you have done it again
  • + 1
 Your welcome.
  • + 1
 I agree, 10 mm makes a noticeable difference, especially when compensating for the ultra slack angles on the front of the bike.

A bike with a 64 head angle is tippy as it is, when you put short stays on it and then race it at high speeds on loose off camber world cup tracks it going to feel like the rear end wants to let loose and slide sideways to the ground.

Gwin hasn't crashed the Demo in a race yet but that doesn't mean he doesn't mean he doesn't feel unstable and is holding back.

The fact that he experimented with a longer wheelbase large size makes it relatively obvious he felt unstable in the first race.

Another factor might be that Gwin's riding stylle doesn't work as well with a bike with short stays, I don't think he is a "cutty" style turner I think he just more of a straight liner who sticks to the ground better than others and that's where those long stays are crucial, especially on todays wide open DH tracks.
  • + 1
 Protour = PB prophet
  • + 10
 I can't bear the suspense! It will be a shock if it isn't any good, Though a lot of potential customers may rebound to cane creek which might give them a spring up in sales.
  • + 11
 finally something to match the yellow deemax´s...
  • + 3
 high fashion!
  • + 2
 Life is a cat walk sister
  • + 1
 ughhh i dont know if i want to wear blue and grey today or black and grey. first world problems.
  • + 6
 Best news in a while. Öhlins makes the best suspension period. The shocks are easy to service and adjust and best of all, spare parts are really cheap.
Sure the shocks are a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for. I havent tested one on a downhill bike but i own a couple of sets for snocross and even on my dirtbike so i cant wait!
  • + 6
 That is really cool!
Want that on my Zeerode Smile
But I have to make a small correction. Öhlins appered on a Swedish bike CyclePro Octagon DH already in 1998-99 i think it was.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/33361
It was a ordinary motorbike shock remade for DH bikes.
That was one shock that never blow like Fox and RS did back in the days.
  • + 1
 Now was that the bike that Nathan Rennie raced but rebadged as an 'Avanti'? All I did was bounce up and down on it but it looks like that is the bike. He definitely ran an Ohlins on it. I think someone stole it when he went to the World Champs.
  • + 1
 He did??! Did not know that.
I had a Octagon DH back then and it was solid as a tank Smile
Will put up some pictures when I´m back on my computer.
  • + 2
 Yep Rennie ran that as an Avanti. Nice bike. My mate still has one, I think it may have been one of Rennies bikes. Shock from a Ducati rings a bell.
  • + 5
 the athletes didn't pay for the shocks... the team did or the shocks were in fact given out, but can't wait to try the shock out, hopefully they make it for other brands as well, the demo is a good bike but doesn't fit my riding style, that and I can't afford to buy a frame
  • + 2
 I think they meant that a team like McLaren paid for shocks for Alain Prost, they had to get money from other sponsors to pay for shocks - instead of getting them like Engines from Renault. You know they had to pay the invoice and give it to Renault or Marlboro. I think here, we could go offtopic be getting accounting angle on MTB issues - haven't been there yet! Wanna join?
  • + 5
 not really but I'd shit myself laughing if Gwin ditched specialized and bought a session 9.9
  • + 5
 I think Öhlins should get into the MTB market for real, instead of making a shock here and there. Worked fine for Marzocchi (except the recent years, apparently, but they're back on track).
  • + 4
 Wow you guys are really shitting on a great product here.....I as a 20 + year motorcycle racer and knows Ohlins, you guys just don't know what this means to MTB industry. Ohlins who created the CCBA now has there own masterpiece to call ther own...and I think it will be 100X better. I have raced with K-Tech , Stock shocks. Showa, and others but it wasn't untill I put on the Ohlins did I feel competitive. There shock and forks are amazing and its a no brainer....all of the top Racers in MotoGP and in AMA are running Ohlins, you can't get any bettere then that, and you all that are talking your shit on this shock you really just dont know what is good or what is great if it slapped you n the face. Specialized just cornered the best suspension company to build suspension peices for there bikes and that right there is like he U.S. getting air supremecy in a war. Fox has never been close to Ohlins even in Motocross, they are not bad but they are not as great as a Ohlins. Hate or not the suspension world bar has just been raised.
  • + 1
 while this may be true or not (seeing as how no one has tested it yet).. spesh has decided to hog em, while this is good news for all you spesh owners, i could really care less.

just cause spesh has the best shock maker in the world on their side doesnt make me want a special ed any more than last week..
  • + 1
 Ya I'm not a fan of this priority shit either...I bought a 11 S-Works Enduro and can't upgrade the shock cuz of it's custom sizing I also cracked my clevis and to this day I have not gotten a replacement part from them, I bought one off eBay, so ya Spec can suck it in that dept, but they do know how to design things that are badass and for a single purpose...will I buy another one? Probably not
  • + 1
 you mean proprietary? and yeah.. i like some of there ideas and such, i also hear their bikes ride awesome (never doubted em), but i just dont do proprietary stuff..

i am also not a fan of how they mate the shock to the frame.. heard wayyyy to many rear shock shafts breaking on speshs design. (apparently i can add your story to the rest of em too.)

people tell me my operator that im building is going to ride like sh!t cause its not a demo, v10, etc etc.. but honestly i just want a good plow bike thats easy to service, and doesnt use 'proprietary' technology... so thats what i bought Wink
  • + 1
 @ allthatflash: Please name 1 AMA SX or AMA Outdoor MX race that has been won by Ohlins in the last 10 years....
  • - 1
 My God, it's amazing how much BS people get away with spewing about rear suspension performance, which is completely subjective by the way..But I guess if you spend a ton of money for your high performance shock upgrade you likely feel obligated to validate your investment...and what better place to do that than on the internet.
  • + 3
 What's that? Are saying that suspension performance is subjective? Well, so is the length of a prefect chainstay. And no one speaks more bullshit on the internet than you. Don't be so self important and hypocritical.
  • + 1
 @protour.. i DONT spend a ton of money. 320 bucks for a shock that is foxs best coil shock, which just so happens to be easily upgradeable once it comes time to service it.. sounds like a steal to me!
  • + 1
 Wil-bur there are more then just one AMA race in the U.S. I was talking AMA SBK as with Yamaha and some Hondas back in the day were running Ohlins as well as Showa Factory suspension which were on the Suzuki SBKs. But Ohlins is used in Europe and they olso help develop the Air fork on Honda and Kawi dirt bike that are sold today. But look up Dwayne Jones..he was the Ohlins guy back in the day and even brought Yamaha to the states to race in MX if you really want to know your history the Jones brothers were the shit and they live right here in Pomona,Ca, so ya Ohlins is around they are just not full on solo riding. I can't wait for them to start making forks, cuz that when the MTB world would be turned upside down.
  • + 1
 Compared to rear shocks, chainstay length is extremely objective, especially on world cup DH tracks. Look at Gwin's results, the Demo turned the fastest DH racer ever into a average racer, and nobody has ever had consistent success on aDemo. And if his problem wasn't the frame he wouldn't be experimenting with different frame sizes the week after a poor opening debut, it's a travesty that Specialized is keeping the fastest DH racer ever from going fast. The short chainstays have cost him 2 wins, if it costs him a third I'm really going to blow my lid on the internet and redefine the word meltdown...are you listening Mike Sinyard? Your brand is being overwhelmed with obvious shortcomings based upon high expectations and something needs to be lengthened on the rear of Gwin's bike before your bikes get a bad rap.

If raising the bar of rear suspension performance involves shortening service intervals to previously unheard of lows, you aren't really raising the bar, you are just making performance slightly improved for the pros who get free and frequent product while making more expensive and inconvenient for everyone else.
  • + 3
 Why is everyone dripping about spesh and Öhlins joining forces?! Yes it's a specific tune that's done on the shocks for the demo and enduro. What do people think happens with Trek and Fox!!!!!!!!!

Öhlins is a world renouned suspension company for all wheels with motors. If they change setting and designs then its for a bloody good reason. I'm keeping an close eye on this one.

I've got a demo (previously 12' alloy and now a Carbon S-Works) and I've not broken my CCDB's. I've had them serviced and tuned by J-techsuspension.co.uk and NEVER suffered with any issues. I personally think that the broken ones have occurred from people not having the settings dialled in correctly for themselves.
  • + 1
 agree. it really is just std spesh production. it's just an oem version ccdb with fewer external adjusts. so why not go to the source with the technology with bigger production capability that makes sense financially production wise?
  • + 3
 The thing that gets me and shows this is a complete load of PR bullshit is that Matt Wragg on his Facebook professional page posted on the 14th of June says he wasn't at Val di Sole this year...... Errrrr so the fact he tried it means he didn't ..... Which means that this is all bollocks....... Integrity I think not.... Marketing crap I think so....
  • + 3
 www.facebook.com/mattwraggphoto. Scroll down to June 14th........ Utter bollocks, or is he writing it on behalf of some one else? I have a screen grab before he deletes it to cover his tracks...
  • + 5
 Ohlins make some of the best shocks/forks for motorcycles (including motogp, etc) in the world. So happy that they have turned their attention to mountain bikes Smile
  • + 3
 Dig the TTX and yellow spring, Demo not so much, would have been interesting to see it mounted on the Enduro and some feedback on the shock with that bike. Id like to see Ohlins take the BOS approach and do custom tunning to fit and work on any DH bike, just cant see it being worth it to Ohlins for Specialised only, if BOS can do it surely Ohlins have the skills to do so too.
  • + 1
 they could tune it to any bike.. but it looks like spesh is going to keep them. im assuming if they were making them for any bike, they would have posted it in this article.

if you want one on a non spesh bike, youd probably have to get it re-tuned. id buy one if they werent super expensive..

but then again, i got a brand new dhx rc4 WITH kash for 320 (go-ride.com), spend a couple hundred bux and youve got it tuned by avalanche.. now its EASILY comparable to the higher end shocks on the market (ohlins, bos, etc).. im drawn to fox cause i can always find a good deal on 'last years model' online and the easy tune-ability (factory and aftermarket)
  • + 1
 why not just buy an avalanche shock in the first place? :-/
  • + 1
 i needed something cheap with a good base to get me going down the hill as this is my first dh bike im building.. once it comes time to service, ill be sending it off to avalanche to get all the fixins and such.

right now, if i sent it to him, i wouldnt be able to tell him how i ride or how id like it setup.. kinda seems like a win/win to me!
  • + 2
 2 great riders Sam Hill and Aaron Gwin and on their peak of their riding career hopped on the Demo and never got good racing result although World Cup 2013 is not over yet but the first 2 the Demo did not shine on an ace pilot...I think in my own opinion Specialized should focus on redesigning their Downhill race bike, maybe it's not World Cup worthy design, maybe a simplier Horst link deign frame with a good symmetrical design would be something to consider basing on years of that old Demo with no good racing result...by the way I think the geometry is spot on.
  • + 1
 So Sam Hill won the overall in 2009 and World Champs in 2010 after missing most of the season after blowing up his shoulder at Ft. Bill. So Sam DID get good results on the Demo. Let's not forget that Sam was integral in the geometry evolution of the Demo from a "Huck" bike to a race bike. Gwin has raced two, TWO, World Cups on a completely different bike than he's ridden in the past; a bike designed for Sam who rides with VERY different technique than Gwin. When we're talking a few seconds or fractions of seconds separating a podium on 3-5min tracks the level of precision is insane. I agree when you say the geo is spot on. Sometimes a bike fits a rider's technique right off the bat and sometimes the rider needs to adapt a little. That time to adapt will allow the other best riders in the world to make up time as they've also been pushed and embarrassed by the beat downs that Sam and Gwin laid on them in years prior.
  • + 1
 You must be a Demo owner, I love Specialized bikes, the Horst link performs well on the rough and I've ridden them for years but my point is, Spesh released Sam since he wasn't giving results anymore and signed up Gwin to put the Demo on the pedestal and it's very surprising because he is on his top of his racing career and has been practicing of course to get used to his new steed yet was disappointed by his result for sure. So maybe just maybe it's about time for Specialized to think of redesigning the Demo to get an edge in the racing world, that's the motivation of evolution of products is to correct possible small flaws to get to near perfection if not perfection for a superb product specially in this competitive world of racing.
  • + 1
 No not a Demo owner (I do own an Enduro) but I love the bike as well as some other DH platforms. I completely agree with what you say regarding Sam's lack of results and Gwin coming aboard. Been as surprised as anyone to see the 2 results from Gwin but I think that he made a pretty big miscalculation in bike sizing/setup, which he admitted, and he'll only get faster going forward. Plus he's got all of the pressure in the world on him as 2x defending series champ who jumps from Trek to Spec. I agree with constantly refining a platform until it's proven to reach it's max potential. I'm curious to see what input Gwin may have to tweak the geo to fit his style.
  • + 1
 Exactly, an important input from Gwin would be exciting to see as an improvement to Demo in parallel to his new school aggressive riding style..may it be a tweak or a total revamp in the frame design.
  • + 2
 I own three Specialized bikes so clearly I'm a fan, but at the same time I'm sure glad none of those bikes have any of Specialized's previous attempts at proprietary suspension. Hopefully Ohlins was the magic ingredient that was missing the last couple times.
  • + 4
 DEMO NEED SPECIAL TUNE SINCE THEY THOUGHT THAT OLD FREERIDE BIKE BECAME DH RACE MACHINE, SUCH A BAD SUSPENSION SYSTEM FOR DOWNHILL!
  • + 5
 A competitor for the CCDB? Either way Öhlins wins.
Still, can't wait for some long term tests!
  • + 1
 Wasn't the CCDB designed in conjunction with Öhlins anyway? Oh well, can always make the best better :3
  • + 11
 Way more restrictive than the CCDB - and also more specific as it is designed for 2 bikes. CCDB is by far the best out there if you have the mental capacity, basic reading capabilities, time and patience to make a set up work, and somewhere to record your settings.....like a phone...or pen and paper... So - NO it is not a competitor, unless perhaps you own one of the 2 rides they are currently catering for...
  • + 2
 how many world cup podiums does the ccdb have?
i mean its been many years since it came out, so it must have a bunch of world cup podiums both male and female right? its the best shock ever right, so it has to have some top flight racers winning world cups on the ccdb right?

right...........................?.................................
  • + 2
 UnknownDHer, yes the DB was designed by Ohlins, hence why p3d.... said Ohlins win either way.
Stcykohut, that's just foolish logic. World cup riders are sponsored. You need to find out how many are sponsored by Cane Creek, find out how much they're payed, then do the same for all the other brands, get an average of the riders results and compare them to get any decent statistics. You won't find lots of good brands at the top, purely because they have small budgets. Look at Avalanche, Bos(now days), even Manitou. All brilliant products with little results because they can't afford to buy the fastest riders.
  • + 1
 yes right...... and it's not like the top teams and riders don't have sponsors right......and this argument is very very old right.....last year it was argued that no bike manufacturer uses the CCDB so it must be shite - look around - they are everywhere right......is there a reason for this do you think? perhaps they are starting to wake up right.....
  • + 2
 no skidmarks is bang on the £££££ or the $$$$$ whichever, thanks for some sense.
  • + 1
 skidmarks has a good point.. the big dogs gotta pay the big earning riders salaries.. not like theyre complaining though, they get their stuff factory tuned for them outta the box.

and there is no way that the CCDB could possibly be better than this.. sure ohlins helped them make it.. but do you honestly think that ohlins is going to give CC all their info and technology they've complied over the years?
  • - 2
 " It's an impressive pedigree, no doubt, spanning MotoGP, Formula One, WRC, Indy 500, Les Mans, and nearly any other type of racing that involves an engine and, more importantly, suspension. There is something that makes their record even more incredible, Öhlins have never sponsored anyone with free suspension. Every single one of those racers and teams who won on Öhlins suspension had to pay to use it."

so if the ccdb was soooooooooo badass wouldn't the factory mtb teams be lining up to pay for the product?

gimmie a break man..........

racing is the benchmark. period.
  • + 1
 The CCDB is a TTX.

www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=19399&pagenum=1356

A rider makes the most difference on a bike, setup is second but still important. Fox/Rockshox is good enough.

CCDB is good because it can work on alot of bikes without revalving. Get the spring rate right and fiddle with the knobs. There are only 4 of them and plenty of guides on how to use them on the net.
  • + 1
 Im guessing Ohlins will just make OEM shocks because Specialized will have to buy the shocks up front to build up the EVO bikes. Only 3 clicks for high speed compression? Please let Fox make simple stuff for simple minds. A top of the line DH race machine should have finite adjustment.
I hope CC copies the sideways facing piggyback configuration. Nice and compact and easy to access the adjustment settings.
  • + 1
 Internally it will be adjustable, but they've just set the external knobs to were they're confident is ideal. Hopefully not to make them just Demo specific.
  • + 4
 "Specifically designed for the Specialized Demo and Enduro Evo" ...

so only 5 people are going to buy it..
  • + 1
 lol fair :-)
  • + 1
 What should have happened between Crane Creek and Öhlins?.

Öhlins licensed it's TTX technology to Crane Creek for the Double Barrel. At the same time Crane Creek manufactures some shocks for Öhlins. But what happens now that Öhlins enterns directly into mtb market?.

Will they stop licensing the Double Barrel technology to Crane Creek?. Will they ask for more money? Will they keep cooperating?.

And they're going into the right direction by simplifying the setup options. 99.9% of riders get lost with so many options with the Crane Creek Double Barrel.

Welcome to the new king ... until someone comes with a better/cheaper or both solutions ... more info coming soon
  • + 5
 Hopefully Ohlins will start making mountain bike forks.
  • + 2
 Who made the ones on the Honda DH bikes? Ohlins? Showa? Are they owned by each other now?
  • + 2
 it was a showa fork i believe
  • + 1
 Those would be insane, but insanely expensive surely? They would dominate though.
  • + 2
 'you get what you pay for'
  • + 1
 I've never heard Avalanche use Showa internals. Maybe shims, but pretty sure they make 95% of their stuff in-house.
  • + 1
 Did any body see the custom black tape cable routing that renders the old mounts useless? It must be due to the fact that the TTX has a larger diameter shock body at the adjuster end, causing you to have to run the cable under the top tube instead of the down tube.

I am interested in jumping on this shock and testing for myself.

Whats the difference between this shock and the CCDB? less adjustments and bigger oil flow orifices? And proprietary Demo only shock? That's too bad because 9"X3" is like the most common size shock out there. On the other hand it might be good for the Specialized to have a great company design a specific shock for their frame, with Leverage ratios and spring rates designed for one bike.

Reading about all of the shafts breaking on Demos might be contributed to the rear shock eyelet being hard mounted to the wishbone link/shock mount thus transferring side loads directly on to the shocks shaft. They say that if you already own a Demo you can put one of these shocks in your frame? I wonder how this mount is going to work with the"spherical bearing mount" that's supposed to allow for movement? Maybe it will just drop in, maybe what they didn't mention you would have to buy a new wishbone.

I have owned an older 2006 Demo, which is completely different than my 2012. I have ridden a DHXrc4 and a CCDB, both of which I haven't been able to tune to my satisfaction. Maybe this TTX is the answer? I hope it is. Maybe a new bike?
  • + 1
 I think its time pinkbike puts a stop to Trolls, do not allow people to post in news articles once they have had so many neg props. All the looks like a .... and norbs this etc are all troll remarks and uneducated. This is a private forum that's continuing to just be a negative place that doesn't bring the sport or riders together to grow the sport and way of living. lets get some constructive commentating not one liners and pure smack talking
  • + 1
 I heard that the Double Barrel would snap when it was being used on the Demo's, anyone else hear the same thing? If that is true, hopefully this one won't be the same, because if I spent that much on a new shock, only to have it snap because of the bikes geometry I would be pretty pissed.
  • + 1
 Fox must be in panic mode over this as they strive to compete (haha) with Ohlins in the moto world. Ohlins has some amazing technology developed thru on/offroad racing....check out their electronic suspension systems for Ducati and the like. Way cool stuff. And, as far as upcoming tech (i.e. magnetoreactive shocks) they are light years ahead of any of the bike specific suspension co's.
  • + 1
 whats all the hating about the demo and its short chainstay all over sudden. only because of gwin is not that successful at the moment. i dont have a demo but i like how it rides...that unsuitable cs length debate gets a little out of control i think. not to forget that the devinci wilson and also the new gt fury have also a rather short cs with 431mm and 432mm compared to other bikes on the market. and both were pretty successful with stevie wins in hafjell and gee winning everything so far. so gt changed its new winning geometrie closer to the demos than it used to be..of course it is even longer and slacker but still. also the new scott gambler was designed for brandon fairclough that came from specialized and it has the exact same chainstay length (421mm) like the demo...so why engineering something that is not good enough for world cups...i myself ride a norco aurum that also has a similar short cs....so i guess they are all wrong!? i think people just hating because the demo is still so successful (saleswise) but only the most dominant rider hasnt won yet, they can jump on that fact now and have finally something to bash on. maybe you guys are all over spesh even more now because öhlins works only with them. dont know why so many people get so rageous in the internet these days..just go out on the trails and release your extensive pressure there or elsewhere.
  • + 1
 Demo is one of the best frames out there, i haven't see any demo broken... I know is not the best geo but dosent mean it suck, like kona, is a really cool geo but they broke like a wall-mart bike, and the ohlins looks great and have a lot of experience, soooo will see, in my opinion demo 8 is PROBABLE the best frame out there.
  • + 1
 Aha, so this is where I've seen a TTX shock before:
www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/14-1199-Panigale-R-021-Ducati-Performance.jpg

It's definitely has a good pedigree...
Rear suspension:
Fully adjustable Ohlins TTX36 unit. Electronic compression and rebound damping adjustment. Adjustable linkage: Progressive/flat. Aluminum single-sided swingarm.
  • + 3
 I was turned off by the first quote. "Specifically made for the demo and enduro evo." Stopped reading after that.
  • + 1
 yeah, i just ended up skimming through the rest of the article.. i figured this shock was going to be proprietary to spesh. good news for them, but now i could really care less.. still not going to buy a specialized..
  • + 1
 I love my Flatline and will probably get another one when the time comes.
  • + 2
 did anybody else try to scan the bar code on the shock in the picture through there computer with there phone, or was that just me?
  • + 1
 Its not a Bar-Code its' the senseless QR-Code Razz
  • + 1
 more proprietary bs? Watch, within the next couple generations of demo this will be the only rear shock you can run. no thanks. As for the shock itself it looks well designed, just odd.
  • + 5
 only for demos? booo
  • + 4
 Buy a TTX and have a Specy DEMO/ENDURO for free!
  • + 1
 Fuj it's a mainstream SpecialiZed™ Razz Man you're so unspecial with your SpecialiZed™. And this bearded Girl on the picture strongly needs a new haircut. Seems to be stuck in post mortem 90s grunch times which are over.
  • + 1
 Think my friend has one on his Intense M6? It's quite old so I wouldn't doubt it, shock does him perfectly though. The new one looks pretty beast, can definitely a beating for sure.
  • + 3
 Cue people buying it aftermarket to fit onto different bikes...like the new gt fury. heheheh
  • + 3
 From what Motorcycle people tell me, Ohlins are the best shocks available. They are also the most expensive option too.
  • + 2
 I've ridden them in MX and offroad. They are incredible. This is really big news, especially if they develop aftermarket options.
  • + 1
 CCDB debuted with the spherical bearings; this isn't a unique option for the TTX. Saying that TTX is different than any other shock on the market is baloney and it overlooks the other Ohlins shock on the market.
  • - 1
 what are you talking about? currently this is the only ohlins shock on the market right now..

and if your trying to say this is the same as a CCDB, you are wrong sir. it is not.
  • + 1
 The article states that the TTX shock has "taken a different approach to any other shock currently on the market" in that it has spherical bearings in the eyelets. CCDB is available with spherical bearings since day one; it used to be the only option, which is now limited to mounting hardware of less than 1in in width.
  • + 2
 MUCH better article over on Vital. More in depth and informative.
www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385
  • + 1
 Well let us all be honest here ... I don't think anything come close to The RC4's sexy beautiful gorgeous Kashima Jacket !! As its patented I know where I won't be heading
  • + 2
 Impressive shock no doubt, but..... look at the state of it - gold anodising with a yellow spring? I know Ohlins have their traditional colours, but still.....
  • + 3
 50 hours or one year berfore service. Which one? 50 hours isn't a whole lot of riding time.
  • + 1
 Whatever comes first.
  • + 1
 50 hours of DH is quite a lot though when you consider most tracks are 2-5 minutes, XC you are surely dead on with your comment and 50 hours seems a bit hmmmm.
  • + 1
 some of you guys do that much in a month or less lol
  • + 2
 awesome to see a lesser known company taking on the big two main manufacturers of suspension ! pat on back for specialised for stepping in this direction !
  • + 3
 since when is spesh or ohlins a 'lesser known' company
  • + 1
 ...and how are they taking on "The Big Two" by making a shock for 2 bikes? Not sure that I even agree that there's a "Big two."
  • + 2
 Fox and RS are just used because they are "good enough" and cheap. If you have ever disassembled a moto shock or fork, compared to a MTB one, then disassemble an Ohlins, you will see a world of difference. The closest thing in the MTB world is BOS, Avalanche, and the Dorado damper assemblies.
  • + 2
 i always thought it was the big three?? and i think the big 3 do a good job of making a solid chassis to ride on.. everyone doesnt have a problem picking their own 'chassis'.

although i will be upgrading all my fox stuff to avalanche when it comes time for service. 'good enough' isnt usually enough for me.. luckily people like craig at avalanche understand that Wink
  • + 0
 its the lesser known company when 90% of market share in suspension is held by such companies like fox,rockshox,BOS,manitou ! good to get a lesser known company pair up with a BIG company like Specialized! how many of your bikes run öhlins ??? nothing against any of the bigger companies but good to keep them on their toes !!!
  • + 1
 Sounds like a bloody awesome shock, but they definitely need a new colour scheme for either the shock or the bike, that yellow spring sticks out like a sore thumb and it's not pretty.
  • + 1
 What is the different between 2011 and 2012 Demo? Though that 2011 it was redesigned and than left alone (beside the carbon). Or what is the different between my 2011 Demo hanging on the wall and the 2012 Demo?
  • + 4
 the last hope for Gwinn
  • + 1
 Ohlins fanboys come out of the woodwork ... "This is expensive and makes my ________ look cool! It must be the best out there!"
  • + 2
 the spring of the shock makes it look like a waltmart bike shock, it will looks better in black or with a titanium spring
  • + 3
 I'm holding out for Moton suspension.
  • + 2
 someone told me F1 cars use magnets in their suspension.. im holding out for magnet technology!
  • + 1
 F****** magnets, how do they work?
  • + 2
 the damping fluid can be electro-magnetically charged by an 'intellegent' damper controller, this changes the fluids viscosity on demand giving firmer suspension when needed... or something like that
  • + 1
 Its nice to see one more competitor on the suspension scene, DVO, Marzocchi just got new one MOTO, CC DB,and few more are coming soon Smile
  • + 4
 god i hope everything DVO says is true.. they will revolutionize how mtb suspension is made, sold, and marketed.. as of right now, there is no company out there that will give you instructions how to rip open all of their dampers and tune them. sure fox has guides and such, but that doesnt mean they want the average consumer tearing into their CTD damper.. (there is also no info about their shocks online either)

if everything DVO has said, is true and they release their forks and shocks that you can rebuild your shim stack and put back together within 30-45 minutes, all the other companies are in BIGGGG trouble, they will have to start playing catch up to a rookie company in a market they once dominated.
  • + 1
 a shitty bike makes someone like Gwin lose races, that's how u can tell lololol. this is the walmart version of o:hlins lololol
  • + 2
 50 hours riding time, or one year. So you cant go to the alps for two weeks biking.
  • + 0
 After reading the first paragraph I felt that some higher intelligence stepped down upon mtb-world and decided to give us a precious gift... Please make one for Stumpy Evo and TAKE MY MONEY!!!
  • + 3
 Now where is KTM cycles with a WP fork and a PDS rear sock?
  • + 2
 CaneCreek, the best upgrade I have on my bike. Well... Enve wheels are pretty sick
  • + 1
 So the real deal is when do this famous shock will make it's way to other bike brands??
  • + 1
 Excelente noticia! pero si lo compro no dudaria en cambiar el spring. En lo personal no encuentro ese tono de buen gusto
  • + 1
 So sick I would for sure run this I'm now just waiting on there DH and FR forks
  • + 1
 Ohlins are great in the MX industry, im sure they can make great suspension for MTBs too.
  • + 2
 Hey look, something else I can't afford!
  • + 2
 Demo and Enduro gonna get a nice treat but no mention of the Status?
  • + 2
 The should defenatly make it for other frames it would be amazing
  • + 2
 Dunno, guys kinda reminds me of the walmart bikes...
  • - 1
 that yellow spring really looks cheap) bikes, like your walmart bikes, here in Russia we call ashan bikes, as the shop named "ashan"). and yep, they pretty often have the spring of the same awful yellow color)
  • + 2
 could this make gwin faster???
  • + 6
 Its another bandaid on a flawed design, but yes, it should help.
  • + 0
 Ohlins gonna be great competitor for Fox. ..and I have heard macpherson is developing a full suspension design for mountain bikes. Could be a false news.
  • + 2
 Macpherson is not a company, just a man who designed the current strut/knuckle arrangement in 95.476834034% of FWD cars on the road.
  • + 2
 mmmm fwd bikes. im in.

(end joke)
  • + 2
 this is the day I was waiting for !!!!
  • + 1
 Looks like the shock to fit in all those frames that no other shock will and it will work well!!!!
  • + 2
 ohlins for cycles...bye bye fox in some years
  • + 3
 You don't even know the price tag yet.....
  • + 2
 or if it's any good.
  • + 2
 lol. this is proprietary to specialized.. meaning this wont do much to fox, RS, or marz.. the only suspension company that could even possibly give the big three a run for their money right now is DVO.
  • + 0
 Cane Creek certainly can give them a run for their money. Yes, it is developed by Öhlins as well, but it works great and it is not proprietary.

Than there is BOS. By all accounts a great line of shocks.
  • + 1
 they have been, ever since they released them.. although they still haven't been popular like the big 3 have (due to multiple reasons), although that doesnt mean theyre not good, cause CC makes some awesome suspension.

Id considers CCs suspension dept to be boutique-esk. still small, but that doesnt mean they cant handle their own Wink
  • + 1
 CC are no more boutique than DVO. Is DVO even out yet?

And lets not forget X-Fusion. I do not see them being any less quality than Fox. Vector HLR Air is an awesome shock - much better than DHX Air ever was, and the coil version is easily on par; and the rest of the line-up is quite good as well. And they are the opposite of boutique.
  • + 1
 You guys, dont ride moto ? ohlins....ohlins everywhere ! Of course fox and the other companies will keep in the game but this is a great competitor...at least i think so.
If they keep a reasonable prices..
  • + 1
 dvo is not out yet. and yeah, x fusion is good, had a velvet on my dj and replaced it with a fox.. i guess the only issues with x fusions shocks is people cant seem to find them online to buy, i guess they cant keep em stocked!
  • + 2
 i own a demo but i dont care !! nothing wrong with the RS shock on mine
  • + 1
 wtf Demo do you have that came with RS?
  • + 5
 a black one !!
  • + 3
 dude sweet, my dad says black ones go 11% faster than blue ones !! pow !!
  • + 1
 Ohlins already makes a bike shocks : performanceshock.com/images/TTX25mk2_web_wm.jpg
  • + 1
 It's just a CCDB
  • + 1
 Exactly, and it was made by Ohlins first
  • + 1
 I know. The Double Barrel is a rebranded Ohlins shock. But from a biker's point of view, that's a CCDB.
  • + 0
 it's cane creek shock with ohlins technology.
  • + 2
 love the shock...but Yellow springs yuks....can i have black one
  • + 1
 Imagine if it was GT who developed it and only came with the Fury etc haha sales would be through the roof!!!
  • + 2
 Do want!
  • + 1
 So, how long til they bring out a fork?
  • + 1
 thanks, but i'll just stick with a devinci wilson
  • + 1
 Because shit wasn't expensive before
  • + 1
 I want one of these shocks just to be different on my big hit!!!!!
  • + 1
 as long as it doesn't end up like their futureshock...
  • + 1
 Too good of a shock maybe brings understeer Wink
  • + 1
 looked sick, seem like it will be another good weapon on the mountain yo
  • + 1
 Strange that the Demo 2014 is not 29er.... [sarcasm]
  • + 2
 YUMMY !!
  • + 1
 I would not be surprised if we see an Ohlins made fork in the future.
  • + 1
 Sweet mother of Jesus !! I want one right now !!
  • + 1
 bla, bla, bla, its all marketing!!!
  • + 2
 Shit just got real.
  • + 1
 shit just got real real
  • + 1
 Yes please!
  • + 1
 Take my money!
  • - 1
 I'm curious.. are those sideways IFP's or what? The adjustments seem to be in line with them...
  • + 6
 I'm curious if you read the article. It's only 14 paragraphs and one of them answers your question. (Hint: it's above the picture of Brad riding)
  • + 1
 oh danggg
  • - 1
 This shock and spring looks like my shits when I eat something out of date
  • + 0
 kolejny kmiot! Smile
  • + 0
 Bye, bye Double Barrel !
  • - 2
 Dont like orange spring.
  • + 3
 deal with it
  • + 15
 You're in luck, they're yellow.
  • + 2
 paint it - if you buy it
  • + 3
 theyre yellow
  • + 0
 For me its between yellow / orange, more orange though.
  • - 1
 Yellow shock = +300€
  • - 3
 nothing can beat cane creek double barrel!!! the best shock in the market!!
  • + 2
 Ppl said that about shocks before ccdb came out, your statement is just ignorant and idiotic .....
  • - 1
 admit it man.
  • + 1
 Admit what ?
I admit its the best atm, but I garentee it won't be the best 5 years down the road....
  • + 3
 My hard tail beats cane creek double barrel, hard tail FTW !! Biatches POW !!
  • + 2
 You just went full retarded, never go full retarded ....
  • - 1
 of course this will happen man...it's just that from what i see, the stated shock here won't be any better from the ccdb. the ccdb is the current king of shocks.
  • + 2
 Well I would say Fox RC4 + Avalanche upgrade can beat CC or else Smile for number of reasons Smile
  • + 1
 I think we me keeping the discussion on the actual shock without aftermarket parts
  • + 1
 uh maybe you missed the part where they said Ohlins made the double barrel .... 7 years ago.... thats like saying fox cant come up with a better fox shock in 7 years.... pay attention
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