Downhill racing in America isn't what it used to be. The courses, the bikes and the riders are all light years ahead of where they were fifteen years ago, when downhill racing was at its peak in terms of participation. But, the numbers we're seeing now are a small fraction of the heydays experienced during the late 90's and early 2000's. When you look at the top 25 riders on the World Cup circuit in 2014, the nationality breakdown is as follows: 32 percent Great Britain; 12 percent, Australia and New Zealand, eight percent, and with Austria, France, South Africa, United States, Colombia, Switzerland, and Germany rounding it out with four-percent each. The thing is, the population of the United States is less than ten percent of the combined population of the nine other countries represented in the top 25. America has the mountains, the riders and the bikes. There is no shortage of passion, but somewhere along the way it experienced a disconnect between the athletes and the developmental system. In this article, we take an in-depth look into the sport of downhill racing in the United States in an effort to discover how it got to this point, and we interview a number of key players to assess the direction where DH racing in this country is most likely headed.
A Look backFor many, the issue first manifested itself in the form of the NORBA National series. When USA Cycling took control of NORBA, and later introduced the Pro Gravity Racing Tour, the organization quickly seemed to lose interest in furthering its progress. For a lot of riders, USAC was more a detriment to the sport and less an asset. Up until recently, USAC didn't appear to be all that interested in an image overhaul, but with one single
press release many eyebrows were raised and the Pro GRT suddenly appeared to be making strides in the right direction for the first time in quite possibly in its existence. With new staffers at the helm, along with the assistance of American gravity heroes like Chris Herndon, Jill Kintner and husband Bryn Atkinson, there appears to be a renewed sense of urgency with bringing prestige back to American downhill racing and putting more Americans on the podium in international competition.
Behind the ScenesNot all of the new decisions are being met with open arms by longtime DH fans and especially riders attached to the East Coast staple at Plattekill Bike Park in Roxbury, New York. Its removal from the Pro GRT calendar has some folks questioning the intentions of the decision makers and the direction the series might be heading in. Over the past several weeks, we spent time discussing at length, the current state of American downhill affairs with a number of the people involved behind the scenes, including USAC's VP of National Events, Micah Rice; former National Champion and current World Championships coach Chris Herndon; Olympic gold medalist and World Champion Jill Kintner; Port Angeles, Washington, race director Scott Tucker; and Plattekill Bike Park's general manager Laszlo Vajtay. The conversations were candid, honest and eye opening. Most agreed that, while the road to this point has certainly been tough to travel, it is quite possible that the downhill community may be surprised and hopeful about what lies just around the corner for American downhill racing.
Micah Rice - USAC VP of National Events What is your role with USAC?I’m the Vice President of national events. The Events Department oversees all of our national championships, of which we have 15 next year over all of the five cycling disciplines; mountain, road, track, BMX and cyclocross. That includes the race direction and the operations of those national championships. It also includes the ‘Officials Program'. That is the ongoing education for officials and the rule book. It’s also the Race Director’s Certification (which is an ongoing education for race directors) and it oversees the race director’s summit. We also oversee all of the top-tier calendars in all five disciplines, which for mountain biking is the XCT and the Pro GRT.
Are there an equal amount of resources being paid to all of the cycling disciplines by USAC?There’s no real hierarchy that we’ve listed out in any way. We look at a lot of things when you think about the importance of these disciplines. I think that gravity is one of the disciplines that we anticipate a big push in terms of time and resources on our part, in particular with looking at the Pro GRT and all of the pieces that are involved in it. We listen to our 65,000 members. If you want to look at the resources available, we currently have hundreds of thousands of racer days per year (one athlete racing one race on the day). If we really looked at the percentage of what our members are actually doing, gravity would hardly get any attention. Sixty two percent of our racer days are road racer days. Mountain biking is sitting at 17 percent, which includes XC and DH combined.
If we wanted to allocate resources to the percentage of racer days from the gravity side of things, I don’t even think we’d have a Pro GRT. In all reality, we’re actually putting a lot more money and time into the Pro GRT than money we’re getting back from the membership. But that's OK. We don’t mind doing that. It’s an important, World Championship discipline and it’s important to our vision of where USAC has to spend some resources going into the next few years here. People ask us: “What money are you generating from gravity racing and what money are you putting back into the sport?” The answer is, we’re actually putting a lot more money into the sport than we’re getting from it because we see it as an important direction that we have to go.
In recent years, countries with much smaller population pools than our own, including Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand, have been seeing quite a bit more success on the world stage compared to the United States. Does USAC see the Pro GRT as a viable tool with which the US can become more competitive at World Cup races and World Championships?Absolutely. I think we have to build that infrastructure. I think with the Pro GRT, we’re focused on creating more quality events where we can get more people coming up through the ranks so we can see the next Aaron Gwin, Neko Mulally or Jill Kintner. You know, I think that there’s a lot of downhill racing that is not sanctioned by USAC and that’s great.
You look at a situation like Southridge and all of these races at Fontana. I have tons of respect for Donny and all that he’s done for the gravity world. He’s bringing people up from that SoCal area and preparing them for bigger and better things. I think there are a number of situations like that. Of course we don’t have any ability to track that because it's completely cut off from our grid. He goes out and buys his own insurance, which costs more than our own. But he has a system over there and that’s fine. He’s bringing people up through the ranks and we don’t make any money off of that, so we don’t have any money to spend on gravity.
There are a lot of groups like that throughout the country. We want to do is bring a lot of those people back so that we’re all kind of pulling in the same direction and we have more money to spend on gravity and making it better. That’s going to be one of our goals over the next few years; bringing unsanctioned races back into the fold so that we’re all pulling in the same direction.
So USAC is looking to generate money from races to put back into the development of the sport?Yeah, big picture that’s what we’re here to do. You start talking about Great Britain and Australia - two really strong federations that are doing a lot for the sport in their countries. A huge majority of their money comes from the government. We get zero from our government. We get some help from the USOC. They watch what we’re doing with that money because what they want are Olympic medals. So a lot of the money that they give, we have to put in Olympic disciplines. That doesn’t include downhill. It doesn’t include a number of things, criterium or cyclocross, which are both really popular here in the states. We try and even out those things that aren’t garnering Olympic medals and we fund those through what we’re doing, which is sanctioning and permits for races, and our insurance product that we make a little bit off of here and there. We sanction 3,000 races a year, so it all adds to the pot and we put it right back into the sport.
Our online registration system makes a little bit of money. So, when people are off the grid and using products from whomever, those few extra dollars aren’t being put back into the sport. Those insurers are usually for profit, which is fine; they’re obviously allowed to make money. But that’s just money that we can’t pump back into the sport. As a non-profit, all of the money [we make] goes back into the sport. Big picture? USAC is the non-profit, governing body of the sport of cycling. That includes five total disciplines, including mountain biking, which has its own disciplines within itself. We’re not a for-profit company. We don’t have shareholders. We know that we don’t sanction a ton of gravity events, but there are some and when we do, we make a few dollars, but then we pay off the overhead and related expenses and whatever is left goes back in. With the Pro GRT, we upgraded all five events to UCI international events. They have costs for chief officials, additional officials for each event - we’re giving money to each of these events to offset the costs.
We don’t gain any money by upgrading to a UCI status. Our goal is to raise the visibility of these events so that we can shine a better spotlight on the Pro GRT. We also want to put some value into each of these individually owned events in the United States. Whether it’s the Northwest Cup or the race at Snowshoe, all of these people will hopefully have more attention paid to their events as far as having a top-tier series to follow.
Riders will also benefit with the UCI points available. Now they don’t have to travel outside of the United States to have a shot at racing at Windham or Mont Saint Anne. I was talking to BMX olympian Mike Day and he’s kind of moved into downhill mountain biking. He’s asking me how many points are available at these events? His sponsors want to see him at a World Cup and World Championships. He’s an olympian and Red Bull athlete and he’s super excited about having these points available. We want to be able to put cash into a top-tier series like this, which we hope will generate more interest in other venues wanting to register their events with USAC, which in turns makes this whole operation much more sustainable.
If I had one message that I can push through, it’s that it seems as though it’s cool to be unsanctioned. Maybe it's a, “screw the man!” thing. We get beat up by folks because they don’t think we’re investing enough in the sport. Well, we need to make some money before we’re able to invest any of it. Currently, we’re probably stealing from the road guys to invest money into the downhill side of things. But that’s OK. We’re actually totally fine with that. The road guys can deal with it. But if people want to keep doing unsanctioned races, well it just won’t be sustainable and we won’t have anything left to invest with. I don’t want to sound standoff-ish and sound negative. We just have to find a way to work together and do this. We always kind of feel like we’re battling with the people who we want to work with. I think that we’ve taken a step forward and we’re investing cash into a top-tier series in America before we even have a sustainable model to work with.
When looking at the race calendar, there are people who are going to be critical of the criss-crossing schedule requirements. The travel is going to be tough on people without significant resources. Is that a concern for you guys?If you plug the Pro GRT calendar into the international calendar, whether it’s Crankworx, or Sea Otter or some of the World Cups on the East Coast, you can get a better idea of what we were looking to do. We wanted to get a few events on the West Coast and some on the East Coast and one somewhat in the middle, which ended up being Angel Fire. We are trying to even the series out too; last year it was very East Coast centric. So we wanted to spread things out.
Remember, the Pro GRT is built first and foremost for the top pros. The top pros include those that are travelling to the World Cup. Do we think that the next tier down will be able to attend every single one? Sure, that’s a process and we get that. Our funds are limited, so we need to know where we can best put the money. With UCI points being available, you can help people get the opportunity to get some World Cup or World Championship starts. If you talk to someone to someone like Gwin, well he doesn’t really care about that because he races the World Cup already and gets way more points than you could ever get racing domestically. But, if you talk to someone who races the Pro GRT and is getting somewhere between 5th and 10th regularly - well, they’re going to be pretty excited about those points because that’s going to get them to the World Cup and allow for them to start in their factory kit, as opposed to the USA kit that’s required by the UCI.
Maybe some money is best spent trying to take these events that we have and raising them up to the international level that you find at UCI races. There’s been some discussion about having us send officials to the events. Does that help offset costs for the organizers? There’s also been some discussion about helping out with the overall prize purse. That puts money into the riders’ pocket so that they can get to these events. Or does that just make the rich richer? So you look around at all of the pros and cons of these decisions and that’s something that we need to continue to discuss.
Plattekill has been a part of the Pro GRT from the beginning and there are a number of riders who think that the track there is the closest thing you’ll find in the states to the stuff you’ll see at the World Cup. What ended up being the primary reason for its removal from the Pro GRT series?There are a few reasons and this is probably a better question for Chris Herndon, but what I will say is that we are looking very seriously to raise the bar of the Pro GRT. I have a lot of respect for Laszlo and what he’s done for the world of downhill. The guy is super passionate, he has been around for a long time and he definitely has one hell of a course. Some would say that his pro track is almost too difficult for a Pro GRT. I think that putting the pros on a track like that is great prep for a World Cup actually. But, there aren’t very many facilities, its tough to get to and the production value is not great there. It’s also just not that conducive to the amateur side of the sport. We need to support them and make sure they’re well taken care of. If you look at Mammoth Mountain, they have a completely separate course for the Kamikaze games. That makes a lot of sense. We look at a lot of things and as much as he’s been a part of it for a long time, we want to raise the bar and its been decided for a number of reasons that he didn’t make that bar.
From a USAC standpoint, what do you think fans of downhill here in the States and from around the world have to be excited about when it comes to the Pro GRT?It's about taking steps. We can’t just make gravity racing here kick ass overnight. We saw the rise of it in the 90’s and early 2000’s, but that was fairly unsustainable. It’s dropped down to a low point but it’s on it’s way back up. It’s important that it’s at a sustainable level. We need to start with doing everything we can to create value here with the Pro GRT. We need to develop a nationally recognized series for the pros that really has some benefits for the amateurs as well. It starts growing these larger events that drop into the Pro GRT. I think that the pros need a place to hone their skills and the media needs something to follow event and rider-wise. It’s going to be really hard to grow the sport if you have this group over here wanting to do their thing, and this group over there wanting to do another. Our job is to try and grow the sport but its also to field a team for the World Championships. USAC is going to be around long after most of these events come and go. We’re in for the long haul and we want to find other people who want to be involved long-term as well.
Laszlo Vajtay - GM of Plattekill Mountain You’ve been involved with downhill racing and riding for a number of decades now. From your perspective, what is the current state of downhill looking like?You know, I believe that the numbers speak for themselves. George Ulmer runs a great race series here on the East Coast here and I don’t know what the deal is with other parts of the country. I just don’t have time to monitor it, I can only focus on my own business and trying to bring racers here. But, what I have experience with is the Eastern States Cup and what I have seen over the past 20 plus year is having races early on with 700-800 people on a race weekend when we were doing XC and DH races; to a low where we could only scrape up 60-70 racers. I think we’re beginning to experience a bit of a resurgence over the past few years where we’re seeing anywhere from 100-150 racers show up for a downhill event. I just haven’t seen a single event, unless it was a Pro GRT, bring in over 150 racers. That sends a strong message that the athletes aren’t there and they’re not bringing new athletes into the sport the way we used to in the 90’s and early 2000’s.
I always look at what the barriers to entry are. The resounding standout there is the freaking cost of equipment. It’s just really, really expensive. We have found that our rentals are doing really well because people want to buy these things, but they just can’t afford to buy them. I’m not speaking to the upper one percent of the industry, but to the rest of the industry where its full of people who just love two wheels. There’s a big portion of the industry as far as competitors are concerned that come from another background, such as BMX and motocross. What baffles me is that in the moto world there appears to be a ton of money. I’m not just talking about sponsorships and prizing either. What I am seeing is that there are a lot of people that are going out and spending $5000 on a racing moto bike. There’s this inherent block in the minds of a lot of people who see their mountain bikes costing the same as these dirt bikes. So those people who come from the moto scene have less of an issue coming over to mountain biking if that’s what they’re choosing to do.
I know that bike prices are coming down, especially now with the all-mountain bikes becoming more and more capable. From an equipment perspective to an affordability perspective, I think that we have a little bit of a fight ahead of us. That was one of the reasons I was really upset about being muscled out of this Pro GRT series. It was the only event where I would see over 200 racers show up all year. Granted, we had to spend a little bit of money to be a part of it, but it was always the event in which I would regularly see over 200 racers. I’ve been doing this the longest out of everyone in the series. I’ve seen the rise and fall and weathered the storms of economic downturns. That’s kind of my take on the scene right now, I haven’t seen great numbers; at least not in this area. I do know that the numbers at both of the Snowshoe and Beech GRT’s was dismal last year. But I also think I know why. I think it had a lot to do with USAC and the date selections. It screwed up the travel schedules of the pro teams.
How was the removal of Plattekill from the Pro GRT schedule presented to you?I’ve been promised multiple calls back from USAC and I haven’t gotten any. I personally think that Micah was gunning for me. I don’t know why, as I’ve never met the guy. But, I will say that I was the only guy who spoke in black and white terms during our phone calls and I think that he took that too personally. I think he was gunning for me and just wanted to get Plattekill out of the schedule. I think that the reduction from six events to five was just an excuse for bouncing me off of the schedule. I’ve been on the Pro GRT schedule longer than any other venue on that schedule. I’ve been continuous for six years. Never missed a beat. Not a single other venue can say that.
I was there when Kelly Lusk was at the helm and was trying to give the national series a resurgence and she practically begged us to put in a bid for the Pro GRT. She also asked us, if we could afford it, to put in a bid for UCI inscription. Which we also did. They just never gave me a valid reason. They just said “You will not be hosting a Pro GRT event this year.” Thanks for spending your $150 on a bid, but no dice. Black and white; that’s all I heard. Micah did write to me once and told me he wants to speak with me about how I can improve my events and that he valued my opinions on how racing can be improved in the country. I was promised a follow up call from there and never got one.
We were the only venue that stuck around since the NORBA days. But, all of that is out of the window. I also believe, and no one has ever said this to me, but its been suggested by others, that because I don’t have the fancy facilities and restaurants and places to stay; that my venue was always frowned upon by USAC. But I can’t confirm that. Nothing has been explained to me so I have to assume it has something to do with a personality conflict. Maybe my mouth got me in trouble. It’s a shame that I can’t speak freely. I thought I was allowed to do that among my peers. I was just trying to suggest certain things that might improve racing and improve our numbers.
If you were to take a critical look at your operations and venue, what would you say about your facilities and course design?We definitely depend on our surrounding communities for restaurants and lodging and what not. But as far as the on-mountain facilities, keeping it raw and the same as what we grew up riding on is important to me. I’m 52 and I’ve been racing and riding since I was in my 20’s. When I took over the mountain I was 30 and still an avid rider. Back then there was no such thing as suspension and disc brakes. You had your XC bike and you rode everything on it. All of our original trails were built around riding our XC bikes downhill. You were king of the mountain if you had 100 millimeters of travel on your bike. I find that bringing back a lot of those trails make for the best downhill trails. It separates the men from the boys. It definitely makes for better riders.
What about the beginners? A lot of people love your mountain for how tough it is, but that it’s maybe not a great place to take someone who’s just getting into the sport. Do you agree with that?I think it depends on what kind of beginner you’re talking about. If you’re talking about a Cat' Three racer, or someone who has been riding for a long time but is just now getting into racing, I’d disagree. If it’s someone who is just getting into downhill for the races, maybe they’re not really looking to race just yet. The fact of the matter is, if you look at my summer camps, they’re enormously successful and full of kids who are learning to ride downhill for the first time. We have great instructors and the kids have great times.
As far as beginner racers are concerned, I actually think that is a great question to ask George Ulmer. I think that the beginner category is the biggest at most races now. But I don’t get a lot of complaints from beginners. My youngest racer this year, who raced every single one of them, was 11 years old. Another area to focus on is bringing more women into the sport. Everyone is really frustrated with the cost it takes to put on the women’s category and there’s just no return on it. I know George is really upset about that. Women are demanding identical pay outs and we’ve been matching prizes purses for years. But we had to finally had to say enough is enough. If two women show up to race, we can’t pay out $5,000 to two women. I know Kathy Krauss is working on a women’s developmental program. But even that is seeing limited success. But I don’t think we’re having any issues with beginners. If you’re looking for a “bike park” race course, you’re not racing gravity. We’ve made a name for ourselves with the downhill tracks and I think that is working in our favor, not against us.
Do you want to be a part of the Pro GRT going forward?I’m ready to go forward. I was ready to go forward this year. I was having a number of conversations with Micah and some others and then one day, boom. I’m not going to be a part of it. I’m no longer on the schedule. Why? Tell me why? What is the reasoning to cut it down to five? We were back to back with Mountain Creek. All of the pro teams were here and we had all kinds of great programs set up. Why? There was no specific reason given and I am being brutally clear about that.
George runs the Eastern States Cup better than USAC. He should be the head of the gravity scene for USAC and the Pro GRT. I think what he has developed - and I stand behind my words - has been the best thing that will happen for any type of gravity racing. Certainly on the east coast and I dare say nationally. He has a good national presence at his races and he’s even getting an international participation now. I think he represents the future. He needs to be supported. They should be throwing money at him.
Port Angeles and Plattekill are the two places without all of the fancy amenities. They use a bunch of shuttle buses. But I was the one left off of the schedule. Why weren’t they? What have I done differently? I spoke from my gut. I am not one of these guys who hide behind my computer and make all of these statements. I speak my mind. But I would very much be interested in getting back into it. The Pro GRT was a big part of the business model. This is going to hurt my bottom line.
Chris Herndon - Gravity Advisor for USAC, World Champs Coach How did you end up in an advisory role with USAC?I’m not really sure how that came to be. They reached out to me earlier in the year looking for some help. They asked if I’d be willing to consult with them on a few things, mainly national champs. I think that they knew I had a role in the Beech Mountain National Champs and I’ve also been coaching the national team at World Champs for a few years now. So they reached out in the spring and I made it clear that I was kind of hesitant initially, but that I’d be willing to work with them to try and make it better.
What has stood out to you over the past few years that you thought needed to be changed in order to really drive the series in an upward direction?I think when the series first started it was a great idea. Jeremiah Dylan Dean did a great job with it and we started to see some start up North American teams. It started well, but I think he just got burnt out. Over the past few years it's dwindled and has become diluted. In my opinion, the quality of the events was too low. So one of the big goals was better tracks. Consistency across the board with scheduling too. I think limiting the number of races was big, that makes it easier for athletes to follow the series. Honestly, a lot of thought went into trying to make the flow of the schedule better.
I know that this year, a lot of people are upset with how often you have to travel across the country, but a lot of thought went into how things fell and that’s just something we felt worked best for this season. The World Cups affect it. We want top notch racers to be able to follow the series. The Pro GRT is also used for junior World Championships selection and there has been a big East Coast bias over the past few years. Early in 2014, you had Plattekill and Mountain Creek on back to back weekends, which was tough to do during the school year for kids on the West Coast. World Champs is just so important to top level juniors. I wanted to eliminate that bias.
Some venues aren’t being returned to this year and I think that there’s some entitlement from some owners because they’ve been a part of this the whole time and think they are going to essentially be grandfathered in because of that. We want to change that and really develop a top-level event. It’s not just something organizers can sign up for anymore.
My number one goal was getting UCI status this year. I was asked by USAC what my top tden goals were with the Pro GRT and number one was UCI. Our top guys don’t care because they already race World Cups, but its hard for the up-and-coming riders who are quick and dedicated to get any points and a chance at a World Cup. It always comes down to putting in a discretionary nomination to USAC and being selected to participate in those events. If you’re talking about an event oversees, it’s not a huge deal because not a lot of Americans are going to travel to race those. But if you’re talking about Mont St. Anne or Windham, we had a lot of people petition us this past season and a lot of people didn’t get to go to those races.
That selection gets really fuzzy because a lot of those guys don’t get to race against each other. You have East Coast guys and West Coast guys and the people making the final decision on that don’t often know who all of the riders are. So, that’s one of the reasons I was brought in this year, to help with those decisions. It’s really tough to stare at a sheet with 18 names on it and determine who out of that group deserves a shot at World Champs. There were two or three options where it was clear that they should have gone, but there were another eight to ten who were kind of all the same speed and you might not have seen them all at the same event, so it’s hard to see how they stack head-to-head against each other.
With UCI status, now they can get points without having to petition. I also think that UCI points will help bring some prestige back to the series. I am already hearing, since the press release came out, that there are some Canadians who are looking to come down here to chase some points. That’s huge. That’s how it used to be back in the day with the Australians. Now you never see that here. Bryn Atkinson had some valuable input at the summit with respect to the UCI points. He sees it as a good starting point for the Pro GRT.
Will you have a role in establishing the standards with which course design is going to be held to?I wouldn’t say that I’m officially involved, but it’s certainly something we talked a lot about at the race director’s summit. We’ve had several emails since then as well. The one thing we did agree upon is having a separate Cat' Two and Cat' Three track, from the Cat' One and Elite track. We obviously don’t want to hurt our Cat' One riders, but we want to see our top-level riders progress with this series. It’s supposed to be the premier series for the United States and number two on my list was course design.
They have to be harder. When Aaron Gwin is racing on the same track as a Cat' Three rider, there’s obviously something wrong there. It’s not good for the top-level riders or the beginners. You’re discouraging on both ends of the spectrum. Obviously, mountains are limited with what they can do, but all five mountains [on the 2015 schedule] were really receptive to this. We’re also separating pro and amateur practices next year. We had some dangerous situations last year with combined practice times. That discourages people from even wanting to be out on the track. I wouldn’t want to be out on a moto track with James Stewart, so why would amateurs want to be on the track when Neko and Aaron are blasting through?
Have you seen a concerted effort from USAC up to this point to cultivate a higher level of competitiveness on the world stage with downhill?I wouldn’t say that fully, but I think I have seen a lot of changes at the World Championship level since I’ve been a coach there. I think that the change is slow but productive. I think that there has been a lack of gravity input at USAC to a large degree. I never would have signed on, but USAC admitted that they didn’t really know a lot about gravity racing and that they weren’t doing as good a job as they could have been doing. I think that was a sentiment shared by racers across the board as well. So, it was nice to see that acknowledgement from them this year.
They also stepped up big by providing a lot of funding to get the UCI status this year. I think they are wanting to see the numbers increase. There are a lot of unsanctioned races and gravity memberships are a lot lower than XC. I think once that they see more value [in DH], they will start putting more time and effort back into this. A lot of people stopped buying licenses, six, seven, eight years ago because they weren’t seeing much of a point to it. In turn, USAC didn’t see the support from the gravity community and it became this vicious cycle. Now we’re at a turning point. We’ve got a lot of really good promoters who have banded together to help make a really good series. They didn’t have to do that. But USAC put up their own money to help ensure a better event for these guys this year and in turn, I hope that the gravity community starts to see that and comes back to the Pro GRT. There are some really great people at USAC who are willing to work hard and make this happen.
Plattekill’s omission from the series stands out to the large number of people who place it at the top of their list of favorite bike parks. Is this something that you see becoming a highly selective process going forward that venues are going to have to work hard to secure a spot on the Pro GRT calendar? Will the locations change from year to year?I think that the new selection process was in place this year. I had a big influence in that Plattekill decision this year and I know that I’m going to get hammered for that. I love Plattekill. I loved racing there as a racer and it’s probably the hardest track in the US right now. The big problem with it is safety concerns. No course marshals and blind drops. This stuff was all outlined to Laszlo before though. If someone crashes at certain spots on that track, how are you going to get to them? How do you get them down the mountain? It just seemed like the level of that event had dropped.
That is an example of that sense of entitlement I was talking about earlier. He used to have UCI inscription. The level of racing just hasn’t changed in a very long time there. We need to move forward with things. That track is great for elites, but for everyone else? I mean the go-arounds were sometimes harder than the main lines. We all know about the shut up and ride mentality up there, which is great - but for a Cat' Three rider who’s never been, they’re walking down the track. Why would they want to keep racing downhill if that’s what’s going to happen?
That’s not how you grow the sport. I was an elite rider and that’s obviously where a lot of my focus has been in the past, but it’s also about the Cat' Twos and Cat' Threes. That’s where the volume of racers will be coming from. We need more of them to show up. We want them to excel and enjoy themselves without getting in over their heads. We all have friends who don’t need to be on the same track as Neko. So yes, a lot of the focus this year has been on the amateurs.
I hope that we move forward with there still being a discussion every year about the venues. I think that, with the new standards that were set this year, there will be even more competition for a spot on the calendar next year. This year saw the most bids ever for USAC and the Pro GRT series, so there is more interest than ever. It was hard this year and I’m scared for next year when even more promoters show that they’re willing to step up their games for a spot. That’s just going to make the decision even harder. We’re creating more competition for not only the riders, but for the venues as well.
Scott Tucker - Port Angeles Pro GRT Race Director How did things go at the Race Directors Summit in Bend last month? What happened there that gave you the confidence to go into 2015 as a part of the Pro GRT series?Well, it was not a laydown. We (Casey Northern and I) basically had to tell them that they needed us more than we needed them. So let’s all try and make this work together. All of us were ready to say: “Screw it, we don’t need to do this.” To their credit they [USAC] did step up. It does feel like a turning point. I think that a majority of the success will still be up to the individual promoters. But, just making us all come together, for me is a big deal. We’ve done the Pro GRT since it started. In the past, all I was concerned with was Casey and my race at Port Angeles. I didn’t care how I fit into the rest of it. But now we are all working as a team and USAC facilitated that.
That was big and also the fact that they are helping offset the costs of the UCI inscriptions for each event. As promoters, we need some sort of commitment. We aren’t working with huge budgets and this is expensive. Without raising prices, it’s hard to say, “Yes, we can afford that.” So, for them to help and get that started definitely encouraged people to stick around and work out the details. They were willing to do that and we’re willing to work hard for them. It was good because we all got to see each other’s perspective. I feel really positive about it. Jill and Chris also put in so much effort into this. There was no gain for them to do that other than to see it succeed. They really want it to do well and are committed to international success.
Port Angeles is considered by many to be the premier downhill event in America outside of the World Cup in Windham. How did it become what it is today and why did you initially want to be a part of the Pro GRT?I guess we have certain advantages with where we are. One is that we’re essentially at sea level, so we can put on races in the spring when everyone really wants to race and the turnout is big for us. We have a lot of handmade trails with a lot of variety. They kind of all intertwine like a bowl of spaghetti, so you can do a different track virtually every time. We have three separate tracks for beginners, intermediates, and pro/expert. With the Pro GRT, one of the things that we’ve done from the beginning was we put the race the weekend before or after Sea Otter. Most years, a lot of the World Cup guys will head to Sea Otter to show off their new pajamas and they’ll just head up the coast to ride some really good and technical riding. So we’ve had that draw for us.
I think it was Jeremiah Dylan Dean as the original face for USAC before the Pro GRT. He helped them get that going in that direction. He helped us by pointing out that being a part of it wouldn’t
hurt our attendance - plus, we were already meeting a lot of the requirements they had.
What were some of the misteps USAC took with regards to their relationship with the downhill community?I had a lot of assumptions along the lines that USAC didn’t care about gravity and that they put all of their resources into road. I also had some assumptions that they had a good budget to work with and that it was all going to road and not mountain. I think that a lot of other riders shared those assumptions. I see now that it isn't as simple as that. They really are more of a licensing and governing body rather than an event promoter. In the world of mountain biking, they put on National Championships and that’s all. To me, that’s a good thing. From a promoter’s standpoint, they lay down some rules for consistency but they don’t tell us how to run an event.
If you compare us to road, and I put on events for both, it’s a different mentality and approach and you can’t homogenize the two. Road guys like what they like and mountain guys like what they like. So, if it’s just providing insurance and some of the other things they do, I’m fine with that. They’re definitely not getting rich doing it. They just don’t have a ton of money to put into road or mountain biking - it’s just not there.
Jill Kintner - World Champion, Downhill Racer How were you and Bryn approached by USAC to be a part of the Race Directors Summit?Herndon had a lot to do with that. He was a consultant for USAC this year and is really passionate about our sport and making a difference. He’s someone who’s been watching for a while and can see the full spectrum of the sport. He’s not someone who will say a lot, but when he does say something, it’s factual and to the point. He’s worked with a lot of different riders (myself included) at World Champs and through teams he’s run in the past. He mentioned to me that this event was going to be held in Bend, Oregon, this year, which is not too far from where we are in Seattle and wanted to know if I would like to be a part of it.
I know some of the USAC guys from my time at the Olympics and other events from the past. I think that Bryn and I bring some knowledge of the logistics involved for the athletes that maybe some others didn’t understand. Bryn and I care a lot about US racing and we bring a lot of organizational and informative skills to the table, which I think was useful for this. It really felt like our opinions mattered. It wasn’t just my perspective either. I sent out maybe 50 emails to other racers, pros and amateurs alike. I asked people what the most important changes they think should be made to the series and a lot of the responses came back regarding consistencies across the board. A better logistical schedule and venues with great tracks and resources. People were also looking for a better East vs. West Coast balance. For me personally, I don’t want to fly out to the East Coast three separate times. I just don’t want to.
Now it seems like we’ve helped to develop this series with a lot more prestige, and it’s something that going forward, venues are going to have to work hard to be a part of. I printed all of the comments out from the feedback and every single venue and USAC saw these responses. It was great for these guys to see this as opposed to just hearing it from me. It was just great for myself, Bryn and Herndon to have the floor in front of these event promoters and USAC. All of the promoters were super cool.
People like Casey and Scott from Port Angeles don’t even need the Pro GRT. Their event is so big regardless, especially coming right off of Sea Otter. Their event is so good and everybody wants to race it. But the turning point for everyone was the UCI points. That was the big thing, wondering what USAC was going to do for the sport. If they don’t invest or care or put something discernable back into the sport, no one is going to care about their banners or logos being placed next to an event. That won’t do anything for the series or unify it.
They needed to put something up for us. But, after the summit, it’s clear that USAC wants what we want: they want top level riders at the World Cups. They want essentially what Britain has already, which is depth and a healthy sport. For them to come to the table with UCI inscriptions for the whole series, it really raises the standards of the whole thing. Now a national event is a true national event, not just a regional event with a GRT tag on it. I remember when the US Open was a killer event in America. That was when qualifying was important.
There was a standard set there. That’s how it is at the World Cup level. You don’t want to get cut, so you work hard to make sure you’re in. Cutting a standard and raising the bar is a big deal. So we made a couple of adjustments there; if it’s under 100 riders the cut list goes to 40, but if its over 100 riders the cut list goes up to 60. Eventually, all of these rounds will see over 100 pros. The series is going to be great for the riders and I’m really excited for the future of the US Series. Before, you just sensed that it had split into more of a series of regional races. I didn’t go to any this year and before that, I was a huge proponent of racing in America.
In the past, what would you say were some of the biggest communication gaps between USAC and the downhill community?I think that the system was pretty fractured. With the Grand Prix, it was obvious that USAC just didn’t care. So, there were a lot of people who were just trying to do their own thing independently. It was good to see that a lot of people now seem to care and really want to grow the sport. There is so much potential in downhill and it felt like for a long time they were giving very little back to the development of it. But now they have the right people in place and it’s the right time. Micah was there and he wanted to hear what we had to say. They were at Worlds and Windham and they’ve seen it at a high level. They want to get people who will medal. I’ve been there and I’ve gotten fourth at Worlds and even won the World Championship in 4X, gotten the Olympic medals - there’s a lot more excitement when you’ve got someone on the podium. I think that we’ve fixed a lot of the problems that we faced in the past.
Do you see this as an opportunity for Americans to really begin to see more riders inside of the top 20 at World Cups?I sure hope so, but no one can say how long that’s going to take. I can see the juniors coming up from this. This will definitely help make them more competitive. There will also be a lot more coverage. I think that, regardless of the impact at the World Cup level, this is going to be big. The dialed schedule and the better payouts will make this a big series in and of itself. The KHS boys will be there, all of the US guys who want to succeed will be there.
Do you and Bryn feel like its your responsibility to act as examples for other top-level riders by making this series a priority of yours?Yeah, for sure. I think that is a part of it. It’s set up well for top-level riders to be able to follow it. I think that the Mountain Creek race was moved on the calendar to right before the Scotland World Cup stop. So you will be on the East Coast already and can hop on a flight to Scotland for the Fort William race. I have all but one Pro GRT on my calendar because my sponsors have me going to Colorado for the Freeride Festival instead. Yeah, I definitely want to do everything I can to help develop the series and make downhilling in America better.
The 2015 Pro Mountain Bike Gravity Tour (Pro GRT) Schedule:Apr. 24-26 -
NW Cup Port Angeles, WA
May. 31 -
Mountain Creek Spring Classic Vernon, NJ
Jun. 19-21 -
Chile Challenge Angel Fire, NM
Jul. 26 -
Snowshoe Wild Hare Snowshoe, WV
Sep. 26 -
Kamikaze Bike Games Mammoth Lakes, CA
I also used to buy every mag just so I could see pictures of all the racing.
Bottom line is bring back NORBA
The few American races, and euro races just don't cut it anymore even with so many people shooting and access to the internet for uploads and so on.
Dh racing is quite elitist now and i can see why enduro appeals to so many including a lot of ex dh pros.
Now let's look at other factors that set the US apart from other countries...
The privatized/criminal healthcare system that no other 1st world/developed country has. That's a great place to begin! As soon as that's figured, out, let's move onto the pathetically easy "civil" system of suing institutions/resorts/racing series for stupid shit that results in absurdly high insurance costs that no other country shares! (OK maybe the UK but they're not exactly filled with a bunch of scummy lawyers and shitheads with no sense of personal accountability).
Basketball
Baseball
Hockey
Track and Field
Swimming
Golf
and everyones favorite American Football.
Those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head, and all of them are at elite level worldwide and are also multiBillion dollar businesses at both Profesional and University level. I dont think cycling will ever be able to compete against that when enticing kids to practice a particular sport.
I can't say I agree with that, kids do stuff all the time knowing full well that it won't result in making money. What about videogames? Not many kids playing them are aspiring to be pro. Same for lots of things.
The main barrier is just cost and the fact that trails are far away for a lot of the population.
Coming back to he topic In your comment it is mentioned "it is just a matter of the programs available to participate in the sport" would you not agree that the US has more programs available per capita for the sports i mentioned than mtb programs? Specially when most if not all highschool and middle schools offer programs for all those sports. This will draw more kids into those sports.
@pm148
Totally agree with you that kids dont play for the money, they play to have fun. But there's definitely some influence on kids to pick certain sport due to what they see the Pros do, and there is more access to see pros for NFL and all the sports i mentioned than to MTB.
Fast forward to today, and not only does my old high school have a mountain bike club, but they participate in a state sanction race series. It's only XC for now, but I am certain that DH and hopefully other disciplines will be added with time.
Also, the US government just made a new law last month that allows ski resorts that lease land from the Forest Service to get a summer lease too. That adds over 100 potential bike parks that couldn't happen before. And with mountain biking and DH becoming more popular, low elevation resorts will definitely want and need bike parks in order to stay in business.
Things are looking up for US DH.
You sir are an IDIOT! "what amatuer want to ride the same track as gwin and mullaly". All of us you jack ass. we get to see them fly past and check the lines and be wowed and inspired. Here in canada when we race at MOUNT saint ANNE us little amatuers do the full world cup track you BOZO! so we are slower and more clumsy but who cares......you dont have different hockey rinks for pros and amatuers, didfferent football fields, different soccer fiels, seperate tennis courts, etc, etc, etc.......get this monkey out of the sport before he turns it in to a hobby!!! go quilt something your p...sy and maybe shut your pie hole because sir you are a douche!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with much respect and admiration your pal an amateur racer and mountain bike person
And do you have any decent regional downhill series? California is around the same size as the UK, I'd guess has considerably more great riding spots and has a population that is not a million miles away from the UK either - but does it have a decent local downhill series?
If you want to compare it to mainstream sports the better comparison would be golf, where like DH racing, each course is different, and you essentially play against the course, not your opponent. And in golf, the pros absolutely do play different courses and setups than the amateurs do. They play longer tees, tougher pin placements, and tougher course setups.
If they want racing to become popular in the country of gas and oil and HP and torque they are better off putting down the 1 cent cheeseburgers and fries and try to make biking cool!!!! this is not a track problem this is an image problem and the majority of grown adults think bikes are for kids and geeks!!! FYI this starts with parents getting into biking and passing it down to their kids and so on.......IE the UK, EUROPE, the rest of the world where Bikes are a major part of their culture and their everyday travels...........GOLF!!!!! WTF!!!!
Back to the comparison to golf, its the exact same situation. A bunch of people competing against the 'course" to see who can score the best. The pros in golf, in the major tournaments play course setups that are extremely difficult. Fairways are narrow, grass is grown thick and long, greens are sped up etc. Those are courses that even high level amateurs would be struggle to break 100 on. And that's how it should be. The pros should be tested on the hardest courses. But putting amateurs on the same course would be unfair to all involved. You sound like you just like the idea of being able to say you were on the same course as the WC pros. Yea that's cool and all, but not a good reason to degrade the product for the lesser skilled riders. It does nothing for the growth of racing.
I think you are misunderstanding what Chris was trying to say about having different tracks. He says why would amateurs want to be on the track with guys like Gwinn and Neko are blasting through. He was talking about the practice runs. Amateurs are just going to get in the way and cause pile ups during pro practice. Pros certainly don't want to have to deal with that. Also Pros do not want cat 3(beginner class) racers on the same tracks as them, they will just ruin the tracks with incorrect braking everywhere, not being able to clear most jumps ect. And most beginners(first time racers) can't handle pro tracks and if they can they shouldn't be racing in cat 3 anyway so that point is moot. Racing on a track where someone can't ride it like it was build to be ridden is pointless. It's also more progressive to ride/race within your skill, just above it and then keep moving up with more difficult trails. Clearly you don't know who Chris(past WC racer, trainer(helps train Neko), builder) is, if you did you'd know he knows exactly what he is talking about.
The US has a high density of "Ambulance chasers" that don't realize their selfish stupid lawsuits affect everyone.
That being said, there are also no local spots. A lot of XC trails but nobody wants to build a AM or DH worthy spot. There may not be a ton of elevation but there's still possibility for jumps and drops bigger than the XC ones.
If we had those facilities than more people would pick up DH in the area. It's unfortunate but I don't see DH picking up unless it becomes more assessible for beginners. The few kids I know who have tried DH loved it, but don't want to drive 2 hours to Bryce, or even longer to snowshoe, ect.
That's ridiculous. We should find a way to deport those kinda people. Odds are shes that laziest and bitchiest f*ck to. Can't believe that's even a real thing.
Seventh and eighth graders became subject to a points system which ranked them, but most of the racing was still within their respective division. If they qualified at certain races, they would be invited to attend Junior Olympic races, at which the best from several divisions would meet. The points system determined their start order at races...the better your points, the better your start position.
Ninth and tenth were the same scheme as 7th/8th, except for the "local" divisional races which were a mixture of 9th - 12th graders. Now your points not only determined your start position in a race, but whether you were eligible to be at that race at all. There were three race series, with the idea being to work your way up from the "low" series through the "middle" to the "high" one as you improved your points with good race results. The "high" series offered the best points. There were also divisional qualification races for regional Junior Olympics every season.
In the FIS, you started at the bottom of another points system, but this one was international, and the same one used on the World Cup level. The best racers at this point were getting looked at by the U.S. Ski Team for further racing in Europe to evaluate their potential. If you did well enough, you would find yourself on the team with Rahlves, Ligety, Street, Vonn, etc.
Your argument regarding maturity is absolutely supported by history. Take your pick of any male european star of the era you refer to -- Tomba, Aamodt, Zurbriggen, Girardelli, to name a few -- and they all peaked in their late 20's or early 30's. Some of them were still winning world cups near 40. USST has been absolutely stupid over the years to put all of their efforts into the rare and unreliable male phenom who looked like he may have the potential to win at 19 or 20 (Bill Johnson being a great example), and consider mid-20's racers who weren't winning as "over the hill" --this has been their standard practice for many years.
So yes, I deliberately avoided all of the background issues in my earlier posts. The structure which USSA maintains for our racers is more or less sound and is able to reliably sift through thousands of aspiring kids to find the ten best, doing so across our enormous distances, all without completely bankrupting the kids or their parents. The problem has been what happens with those 10 kids who are the best, and from there onward the decision-making has proven to be weak for many years. But that's what you often get in an organization which has been run by self-interested insiders and good-'ol-boys for decades.
Is people like you that the sport needs, not too many anymore
In total, it is the most challenging mountain around, and deserves to be part of our highest-level racing circuit, but if that circuit is working hard to step up its game, then it's not too much to ask of Platty to step it up as well.
plus, most of em ain't ex racers so, ya get suits, or even worse yet, these new breed of poser wannabes that think they know where the sport's headed, but in all reality have no idea and no clue to what the continent should be doing as far as pro dh races.
it ain't hard, but the wrong people keep gettin the jobs so..................
there is money out there for creative people who wanna go get it.
there are opps for webcasting, there are opps for regional mainstream newscoverage, there are opps for whatever bmx/mx does...........
it could be on tv, it could have a fan base, it could be like ' the old days' again..........
just put an ex racer with a business degree in charge of the whole f ing thing for cryin out loud and get it done with.
i spent 2 years chasing the west coast norba races back in 2000 and 2001 and it was the real deal.
and i heard those were the dying days, i can't imagine it at the peak of hype.
part of the solution does rest with the racers though...........and this next comment is gonna piss some people off but, here goes............
if ya ain't in the top 50 of men or 10 in womens, ya need to quit the world cup and come on back to the north american continent and race nationally.
at the world cup, the webcast announcers ignore you and you don't qualify and you spend all that cash travelling.
here on the continent you would be treated as a star in the series.
just some thoughts really.
That's not how a business is run (or at least for very long), and it takes more than just intent to pull off a hectic schedule that's pregnant with expectation. We have strong enough numbers in DH for resorts all across the U.S. to spend millions in funding opening bike parks, but USAC can't translate those numbers into a sponsorship proposal for their national gravity series?!
C'mon. The data is there, the riders are (obviously) there, and DH racing could be something huge in the US as it's currently the only MTB discipline that's easily broadcast outside of freeride. The pieces are there, but no one is willing to put the puzzle together.
i never said sandbagging. you don't get it.
sun peaks, whistler can open, pano, mammoth velocity, platty, anywhere in colorado, utah, new mexico,east coast america, crystal, and on and on.........these courses are easy for you? you clean em at race speed everytime? hit all your marks and breaking points?
i said alot of people don't belong on the world cup. they belong back on the continent racing as a regional pro, not an international pro.
every other sport has regional pros. they have have sponsors, the make a descent living during the season, they love what the do.
lets get real here, i am a cripple who rides a 4 wheel bike, you are a regional pro who could have a career racing and touring the continent and influencing young and old everywhere you go.
facts yeah?
but i ain't walking and you ain't gonna make it to the world cup. and if ya do, you will be minute plus off the winning time for the ladies.
facts yeah?
but i sure can see you on the cover of a delta inflight magazine ripping the 2017 deer valley pro grt race.
peace
Top east/west ams get invite to nat'l finals. Nat'l pro champ crowned and top 3 ams crowned move up to pro series
Could that work? Regionals save money on travel and allows cream to rise to the top. Meanwhile, both regions get to see top pros race. Racers motivated fans excited....
Check your 'facts' and that WC roster one more time. Just because you've given up on your body doesn't mean I don't have plenty of life left for living.
Payouts. If they made more racing nationally winning vs. losing on the WC they would be here.
Those are the "facts" you guys omitted while getting into some ridiculous pissing match. Money pays the bills.
At the end of the day, it's great that they're talking about broadcasting and ICI points, but this deal lacks meat, and while I'll definitely continue to race the series and have a blast, I'm not holding out for USAC to be what they need to be, and I'll still race unsanctioned stuff to support the folks doing the best they can.
are the racers racing indy car intsead of f1 washed up? no. they just race here in north america.
and as for you amanda, heres some words from YOUR website.....
"After being lazy, fearful and passive throughout my life and making decisions that would ultimately end in heartbreak, in 2007, everything turned upside down after a series of medical diagnoses, health problems and tumultuous relationships. My world, the world I had created, no longer made sense. I sought answers and hope in all of the wrong places during treatment until, finally, I had to choose between giving up and dying or taking my life back and thriving. I chose life, and health, and happiness. "
now, i have never been thru any of the above stuff in my 44 years, so please, stop PROJECTING your shortcomings and insecurities onto me and my life thank you.
@stacyKohut I'm with ya all the way here. The World Cup is for the best of the best and the domestic series "could" be far better off if a few of the less than competitive riders re focused their attention at home. The riders on the WC who are a minute off the pace just lower that caliber of racing for everyone, and are a big reason courses are being dumbed down, etc.
I look at the UK as a great example. Their domestic race scene is so strong, and with so much talent at the top end most of the fast riders will still never get to race a WC. SO they stay home and continue to raise the bar on the domestic scene, pushing up the level of competition and in turn the best riders rise out of this. The top 10 at a local British race would smoke all but about 3 American riders.
In the US a handful of decently fast riders try in vein to qualify for WC and fail, while in their absence at home mediocre riders "win" and get this false sense of entitlement to run off and be WC racers. Where in fact they should all stay home and race each other in a more competitive setting. The place/number you finish doesn't mean a thing if you are still way off the pace. It just means no one else showed up ;-)
This past summer a bunch of top 5 grt guys and gals went to a few WC races.... one of them at most qualified, and the rest were in the 100's.
Not everything is about you.
Two words- Weak Sauce.
Callous. Hide behind your smartphone or PC but you'd never say that to someone in person.
You've never been in that situation. Your words make me cringe.
Secondly, we were originally talking about how WC racing (or attempting to race WC as an 18-month pro, Dave) has outweighed any effort made by USAC to make the ProGRT a preparation ground for US riders. This has come to a point where we're talking about 'trying' and 'effort'.
Not one single person has any sort of right telling those of us 'trying' to race the WC and doing our best to progress and push ourselves that we should just give up. Just as I would never tell @stacykohut that he should ever give up on the possibilities of being fully or even-semi improved in his physicality, his assertion that most of us should just stop trying is not only cruel, but defeatist and weak. If there weren't constantly racers pushing to be the best or even improve their standings inside of the WC, there would be no competition and the series would be valueless.
Regardless of what any of the peanut gallery has to say, it's not about you anymore than how it affects DH growth in the US. This series, however, and our efforts and the personal collateral many of us have put up has little to no effect on your daily lives, and it's so easy to claim that we're failing at what we do... Even from your couches (or a wheelchair). And while it may be all sorts of fun to project your feelings on the way we're trying to do what we do, citing bullshit as 'facts' still makes it bullshit.
So am I an a*shole for calling another a*shole on his a*sholeishness? Sure. But I don't have prejudice against any a*shole, regardless of their current standing. So pin me to the wall: I'm an a*shole. But who of you isn't? Glass houses, kids. Glass motherf*cking houses.
i have accomplished more since breaking my back in the international sports world than you ever could imagine or possibly could accomplish yourself.
you wanna start a pissing war with me?
remember amanda..........impossible is nothing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmjgzEFJhi0&list=PLF090A492263F6B35&index=4
ya, 10 years before there was 'prove can't wrong' , there was the original................'impossible is nothing'
you wanna compare international sport accomplishments and titles? anytime amanda, anytime.
just stop opening your mouth and putting your foot in it when it comes to your evaluation of who iam and what i do or have accomplished.
good luck amanda.
So now that you've trolled my website, continued to attack me personally and professionally, how you feelin', buddy? Better about yourself? About the MTB community in general? About me, and my efforts? No? I thought not. Congrats on all that you've achieved (and I mean that sincerely). But I won't cower under the pressure from a million internet a*sholes... Not now, not ever. If you choose to internalize this shit, that's on you.
Instead of taking it personally because I addressed an issue that YOU brought into the conversation (your physical limits versus my potential career moves) and your shitty attitude, maybe take a breather? I don't particularly give a shit if you roar at me over the airwaves... I just don't. You aren't the first hater and you'll certainly not be the last. I know you probably don't get called on much of the nonsense that you spew, but I'm unusually honest and irrationally careless, and I did call you on it. Either live with it or don't, but I'm done.
Either way, best of luck to you and yours. No hard feelings on my end.
do you truly think that you can see a perspective from a standpoint of someone that has been permanently injured?
I think you have proven that you cannot.
In the Vice President’s own words in this article:
"There’s no real hierarchy that we’ve listed out in any way. We look at a lot of things when you think about the importance of these disciplines"
Road and XC are in Olympics…hmmm, me wonder if they get more of the funds to grow and promote that segment? Also, people race road bikes a lot longer than mountain bikes, so of course USAC gets more road memberships, because there are still people in competitive Masters classes well into their late 50s.
Obviously, the best racers go where the $$$ and exposure are, and with no DH racing on American TV to attract sponsors and prize purses, don’t expect anything to change. It’s a shame the GRT or whatever it’s called now can’t get a live streaming system going live the World Cups and Red Bull. Seems like the only way to stop the circle of conversation that’s been going on for a decade now is to get live coverage of the US DH races.
Sincerely, your friend Captain Obvious
Don't get me wrong. I'm grateful as hell to have a national federation and races close to me and yadda yadda yadda. But personal politics and hurt feelings often trump what's best for this sport, and if we don't move past that now, it'll kill us once again.
What we need is for USAC to continue looking at the most popular race venues, and ask themselves why those venues get racers. Is it because the course is 'safe' or 'easy'? Never. It's because the organizers to out of their way to make everyone feel heard and have fun, and that's the difference -- we're a community with a future, and it's time we all start acting like it instead of taking whatever we can squeeze out before the bubble bursts. It's a financial, personal and communal commitment that has to go beyond petty arguments and fear of f*cking up.
Otherwise, this is an excellent article, Brice! Massive thanks go out to Jill, Bryn, Herndon and everyone doing their best to put US DH on the map once more, and UCI points is a huge step towards that. Hopefully, USAC will pull their heads out and actually appeal to companies who are open to sponsoring a UCI-points series. It's time.
Thanks for the background info on this, and showing the important political steps that have to be taken for something of this size to get off the ground.
As far as the liability issues, not much we can do about it other than on an individual level. You can't get caught up in the what if's and still continue. I would have quit a long time ago, or not even started promoting races. Liability waivers at this point are the best protection but we've even seen those diminished a bit. I had even considered adding some sort of Participation Contract. Not so much because I'm worried about the participants transferring responsibility as I am the insurance lawyers.
For course gnar issues, it's a tough one. We do everything we can to provide a challenging but safe course for pros/Cat 1s, another course for Cat 2s that is just as challenging, but they have it to themselves, and a course that my 11 year old daughter that will race for the first year ever can race comfortably. All of these are just as important as the next. In the future when things grow, maybe we will have enough Pro racers to have some pro only races (a la World Cups), but for now it would just be impossible.
Bottom line, this is going to a fun year of racing and I look forward to seeing familiar faces and some new ones.
USAC gripes about unsanctioned races and yet aside from pitbike racing shenanigans in the parking lot I have no memories of unsanctioned races at Plattekill. If you run the numbers for sanctioned dh races held in the USA I would not be surprised to see Plattekill at the top of the list by a large margin. They have been doing racing forever. The way Plattekill was dropped from the circuit is rather unprofessional especially taking the years of support they put in. If you need to switch venues up to address scheduling conflicts or rider feedback about not wanting to race the mountain that is fine. That is not what it sounds like though. It sounds like excuses to foster politics which is unfortunate.
Someone above said it perfectly. "I like to ride my bike"
I love every aspect of mountian biking, from DH racing, Enduro, XC, DJ and Freeride.
May the sport live liong and prosper!!
I was just looking at the super championship results from Mountain Creek. Most of Cat 2 (6 guys) , would have podiumed in Cat 1 (18-29) , the winner of cat 2 was faster than the winner of cat 1.
That's not helping to grow the sport either.
2) IMBA paves half our trails so beginners who never show up will ride it and "expand" our sport so my boss can get a raise. Cool. I still can't go to the hospital.
another thing i have to say: i like athletes because of their nature - not because of their nationality. The athletes can pretty much influence anything (training, habbits, attitude) except their nationality - so why concentrate on something that is not influenceable?
But this isn't that. This is the same sort of thing that every country goes though, if they're trying put together a development program for a sport: look at how other countries are doing it. compare what we have, to what the best countries have, & try to emulate it, or even surpass it.
The BDS wouldn't be the powerhouse it is, if they'd been complacent when they got to "good enough." They kept pushing the bar as high as they can.
Athletes,
Do you want the honor....the privilege.... to be a National Champion ®. I mean it's not too hard with all of the 500 different permutations of rider classes and age brackets. Oh and we also offer such great things such as 2nd class insurance and a Hertz coupon with you're membership......
Venues,
Do you want the prestige...the privilege....to bid on and host events where people compete in races that are sanctioned for National Championships ®! Big Ponzi Brother UCI only recognizes us as the national sanctioning body so if you want to draw pro athletes, fans, sponsors you need to get in bed with us. Pro athletes want to have jerseys with a rainbow stripes on their sleeves-> World Champion ® titles or even better yet, an Olympic ® medal!!!
We offer such great things as insurance, and 2nd class event planning! We apologize but so far we only know how to make this racket sustainable for ourselves and we haven't quite figured out or really care to figure out how we can make this a great two way entrepreneurial endeavor. Some day...maybe....we can work with you venues to make your investment working with us provide real long lasting impact like improving area infrastructure and making our events teachable moments that improve how you run your everyday business outside of this one event!
BTW, could you put the PSA out to the locals or maybe that injured athlete on the sideline that we need course marshals? I think we have a vest, walkie talkie, and a free lunch voucher that we could give him?
For anyone that thinks that all of a sudden the environment of racing is going to change in this country because OMG UCI points! I have news for you. It isn't. There needs to be a massive paradigm shift in how racing, especially in the gravity disciplines, is run and conducted. The barrier to entry for the sport has only grown under the USAC's watch and it is failing at their 'Purposes' according to their article of incorporation.
I'm applauding you into the sunset on this one.
George and Laslo and the other promotors and teams start a new Gravity sanctioning body. Make it ours. 100%
We can sell it to tv and internet video. Its soooo easy CUZ ITS THE MOST EXCITING SPECTACULAR FORM OF RIDING!!!
Get away from USAC please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so where do you think the venders want to be?ok, you say,so what, but think for a minute! most of the money that can grow the sport comes from venders. in so. cal.
last summer a local mountain was building trails to suit pros and top riders, thats a small % of the people riding the mountain,but, thats another issue.unfortunatly
most of the adrenaline sports requires travel and dollars,my 12 yr old is the one that dragged me into this, after motocross,trials,snowboarding, formula car racing,speedway racing, dh still gets my attn. so, exposure is the key....drag a friend into it, help him so he doesn't die the first day and you'll have a carpooler for the next trip.
So from what I gather, the governing body/owner(?) of the 'premier' professional DH racing entity in the US, is a lot like the AMA, in that it's a non-profit, and pays for everything through its membership..?
When the head-honcho stated that 62% of membership racing is ROAD bicycle racing, and words along the lines of 'XC and DH combined don't even show up on the map', the first thought that popped into my mind was that if he's actually going through with what he says he is(dumping an increasing amount of effort and MONEY) into mountain bike racing-DH racing in particular) his road-riding membership ISN'T gonna be too happy about that. He stated CLEARLY that they're interested in road-riding/racing, so common sense dictates that when they get wind of where their money is going(again, if what he says is true), they're gonna either throw the dude off the board, throw everybody off the board and elect new leadership, or simply remind them who's buttering their bread.
In any event, I don't see how THIS particular organization is the right choice for steering professional mountain bike racing in the US.
Back to the AMA, they eventually got wise and sold off AMA Pro Racing, albeit initially to the WRONG people(who more of less buried professional motorcycle road racing in the US), but from what I understand, it's now in the hands of some very qualified and motivated people.
So maybe USAC should take a lesson from the AMA. Either sell off the rights to mountain bike racing, and just sit back as the sanctioning body and collect membership $$, or at the very LEAST, let someone ELSE run it.
Clearly it's gonna have to get to the point-QUICKLY- where it not only supports itself, but also makes money for USAC, or it's going back in the toilet
You guys shafted one of the main people who put east coast racing on the map.
You lost what little respect I had left for you.
Safety? Get real, it's downhill not Friday night bingo at the local senior center.
If you can't ride it, don't. It's that easy.
Sponsorship and television is what made NORBA what it was, not NORBA itself in my opinion.
We can complain all we want and nothing will change for the better. Actions are the only thing we can do to improve things.
10 years ago, it was all about the shuttle, because 6" bikes almost didn't exist(& didn't have good geo) nowadays, why not earn your turns?
I'm just fortunate enough to live 2.5 hours from lift accessed trails. In the off season and when I can't afford a lift ticket, I just drive 10 mins to my local trails and earn my turns.
This is why homegrown Enduro events are on the rise. People work with the land they have and make it as gnarly as they can, because for most of the country the only option is to pedal up for it. I'm hoping to see an Enduro series come together in the Texas Hill Country. While we'd pull from two state mountain biking hubs of Austin and San Antonio, we had guys from Arkansas, Missouri, and maybe even Colorado show up at a race on Nov. and it was awesome! Maybe, as weekend warriors are introduced to racing in that format, riders will be more inclined to travel and dabble in pure gravity events.
This past season about half of the regular ESC Pro field spent trained / wintered in CA , hit up International Pan American Events , Urban Shit in Mexico and S.America, Leogang , Saint Anne, Windham.. These guys know you got to travel to meet the competition. Yup a bunch of tried World Cups over the past 3 seasons with out a ton of success call it bad luck...but its coming. The Beast Coast is coming to the WC. One guy ...even used to race some moto I hear and put it to them at the Windham Citizens Event. There are about 5 guys that can and will Crack the WC from the east and follow Mullaly and Rude with varying degrees of success. Then the next wave of juniors who grew up on real DH bikes will be like Moto Groms where the plan and path is laid out and they just have to work for it. Right now that path is being made ....
You will have a hard time building a 15k+ DH bike. You might have to leave off something
cool hitting that price range with a high end road bike. USAC puts most of their efforts to
the road. That way if there are mtb racers that are fast enough on the pedals they can
persuade them to the road to make the dollars! Then they just win and get stripped for doping!
As for the law, don't worry, as long as your not an ass, most people don't give a shit if you build an illegal trail in a park or private property. Just get out and dig and ride and the sport will keep progressing.
Like sino428 said, it's more of a spectators past time than a widely played sport.
But, every small town taxes it's residents to build multi-million dollar football, baseball, and/or soccer complexes.
It will be a long time, if ever, we rival the Euros' love of the bicycle and public access to trails.