North Shore Billet Announces New Canadian Made Flat Pedal, The Daemon

Jun 25, 2021 at 13:50
by North Shore Billet  

PRESS RELEASE: North Shore Billet

Introducing North Shore Billet's first flat pedal, the Daemon. Developed and manufactured in-house by our team in Whistler, B.C., the Daemon pedal has been a work in progress for the past two years. During that time it's been ride tested throughout the Sea to Sky corridor in both winter and summer, subjecting it to everything from big epics in the Chilcotins to all-day laps in the Whistler Bike Park.

In addition to real-world testing, we sent the pedals to EFBE Pruftechnik in Germany for independent strength and fatigue testing. EFBE uses a proprietary test system – the EFBE Tri-Test – that exceeds the ISO standard for pedal strength and durability, and it's focused on gravity applications.

David Davis testing an early version of North Shore Billet s Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas
NSB machinist, David Davis testing early pedals in the WBP.
North Shore Billet s new Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas
The Daemon pedal was designed, developed and manufactured in Whistler, B.C.
Yoann Barelli and the new North Shore Billet Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas
Yoann blasting on the finished pedal.

North Shore Billet Daemon pedal material sources.

Features:

• Actual dimensions: 112mm x 103mm
• 2mm of true pedal body concave per side - 14.75mm thick at the axle, 16.75mm at front and rear of the pedal
• 5mm long custom stainless steel pins with M4 thread (20 per pedal) create a total 7mm concave
• Double sealed axle – VG style shaft seal with X-ring
• Two stainless steel sealed Enduro cartridge bearings (outboard) and an igus bushing inboard
• Nitrox coated axle for best in class surface hardness and corrosion resistance
• Weight: 438g/pair
• Price: $250 CAD

We believe the best components should perform without being noticed and designed the Daemon flat pedal with this in mind. The pedal utilizes many of the modern approaches to flat pedal design without any unnecessary extras. It features a gentle 2mm platform concave and a total concave of 7mm with our 5mm long pins. While not the largest pedal on the market, the 112mm long and 103mm wide platform with a gentle taper to the shape allows a large contact area while minimizing pedal strikes and remaining comfortable and supportive.

Yoann Barelli and the new North Shore Billet Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas

Yoann Barelli and the new North Shore Billet Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas

Yoann Barelli and the new North Shore Billet Daemon flat pedal. Photo A.J. Barlas

Video: Alexandre Chapellier (@the_frenchliner)
Photos: A.J. Barlas (@ardorbrand)

About North Shore Billet

Since 2003, NSB has been making high-quality Canadian-made bicycle components. First located in North Vancouver, we were drawn to Whistler for its diverse riding and small mountain town atmosphere. While being a small company in Whistler has allowed us to stay close to the roots of mountain biking, we strive to keep up with the latest manufacturing technologies and to remain competitive on a global scale.


153 Comments

  • 182 13
 I'm not spending $250 on pedals
  • 29 72
flag jomacba (Jun 29, 2021 at 13:22) (Below Threshold)
 You get what you pay for
  • 58 9
 @jomacba: not always the case, you pay good money for european luxury cars epecting them to be superior than cookie cutter japanese ones. But they break like clockwork and everything costs and arm and a leg.

how do you justify that?
  • 27 5
 NSB makes awesome components and are great to deal with. I will definitely be buying these.
  • 21 6
 @tonkatruck:
Some cars are machines some are works of art. You chose what you need
  • 19 1
 Daggas are $215 CAD. These aren't too far off.
  • 12 22
flag CSharp (Jun 29, 2021 at 14:16) (Below Threshold)
 I'd buy 5 of the Crank Bro Stamp 1 before even considering these. The Stamp 1 has actually been durable even if it's some plastic by-product. They're light as well and cheap as hell. It's lasted me two seasons already and still going. It's not like I'm just riding smooth XC trails either. I see a lot of rocks and trees on technical trails! So, if the bearing or any part of the pedal goes, Stamp 1 it is. $50CAD for 5 years. So if these NSB can last 25 years, it'll be worth the money. I doubt it'll last 8.
  • 28 3
 @husstler:

Haha, I'm not spending $215 on pedals either!
  • 8 2
 @tonkatruck: You are comparing apples to oranges. That was not a general statement blanketed over all things. That was in reference to aftermarket bicycle components.
In that regard, it's also a general rule of thumb that will naturally have exceptions.
In regards to pedals and pedals alone, NSB I beleieve has been making parts for chromag for a while. I can't speak to whether they still do, but chromag has had quite the cult following as an aftermarket component manufacturer, and rightfully so.
If you want to get more accurate with your analogy, I'd say maybe speak to aftermarket automotive parts. Let's say you want to spice up your cookie cutter Japanese vehicle. Say you wanna purchase a turbo kit for such Japanese import. Woukd you purchase one from eBay? Or woukd you purchase one from a reputable manufacturer at a significantly higher cost?
  • 6 0
 I'll spend 200+ once, then not again until that pedals snaps. And I have already done that as I have oneup alu's rn. Was it worth it? no. Is it a nice af pedal? yes.
  • 3 0
 my Blackspire flats have held up for 4 years now so agreed
  • 10 2
 @Kamiizoo: Most people don't consider how the pedal is made to be honest. Most pedals are made with an extruded body, that is then machined down. This ultimately cuts down on manufacturing costs, and allows companies to either make more profit, or produce a lower cost product.
The next option and a bit more of a resilient design is billet. Like these pedals shown here. This obviously has a higher cost due to the increased Machining required as well as the higher waste which essentially goes into cost of materials.
The final option is a forged body.
This is where billet is compressed into its general shape, then machined. This creates the strongest strength to weight ratio. Heat treating also plays a roll here.
You would be hard pressed to see a broken forged pedal, but its not unusual for an extruded pedal to crack or break.
  • 2 0
 @jomacba: Interesting, never really knew that. +1 to the daemons then. Makes them quite appealing if I ever need new pedals.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: Thanks for explaining that, never knew.

I've luckily never had a pedal crack and fail, it's always been the bearings/spindle that fail due to rock strikes.
  • 2 19
flag dfsnz (Jun 29, 2021 at 18:48) (Below Threshold)
 Noone gives a shit bud
  • 1 0
 @Kamiizoo:
$125usd a set
  • 2 0
 @Kamiizoo: never day never, but I would say these pedals should give you a few years of life. Do the breakdown of let's say 3 seasons. That roughly $75 a year. That's not overly high considering.
Other things to look at are the internals lifespan, warranty, and ease of service. I can speak to chromag pedals having long lasting internals. I woukd suspect that NSB have done their homework. To be honest, I can say on average NSBs parts are generally much higher quality, and much more competitive in price than the majority of their competition.
Add in that they are made in whistler Canada.
  • 2 0
 Yeah that was my first reaction, then I remember my Burgtec's cost me $220. Sigh.
  • 4 0
 You do get what you pay for. I had a set of 11 year old DMR vault that were still in great condition when I sold my bike. On my new bike I bought one up. Less than a dozen rides they have some pretty big gouges and one pedal is already stiff and making noise. I probably have to rebuild it. I would spend $250 if it means these pedals would last me 10+ years like the DMR.
  • 2 0
 @dfsnz: Padraig Noone doesn't, but his brother Declan does.
  • 1 0
 @discoclint: Agree. this looks like the discontinued WELLGO B219 Pedals that cost $75. weight? 424gms.
Made in taiwan.
have this on 4 of my bikes for 5 years now...
  • 1 0
 @tonkatruck: no ur generalizing..Still have a Volvo that I've been driving into the ground for years..
  • 1 0
 @Kamiizoo: Those are the ones to get ...Awesome pedals
  • 1 0
 @SoddenDeath: but the Burgtec composites are £40 and are better than the MK4 which I also own and paid too much for.
  • 69 0
 Pretty cool that they show where all the components are from.
  • 26 1
 I wish it was standard.
  • 10 0
 Much more transparent than "PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA!... *with global materials"
  • 2 0
 Have a look at Pembree pedals for a Europe-made alternative.
  • 1 0
 That is awesome indeed. As my simple pedals are still going strong, e.g. a Tioga MX for over 15 years now, I will not likely invest in such an expensive model. But I do see its benefits and really like the overall approach.
  • 2 0
 @pensamtb: Seems like you've chosen my next pedals! They look great.
  • 26 1
 I've been running miscellaneous NSB stuff since they first came around. Plenty of the steeds in my family also running NSB components. Most stuff is well over a decade old and still running strong. The first and biggest draw for me and my father. Was BC made. I will always pay a little extra to keep bucks in my province. Those pedals might be pricey. But they'd be the last pair you'd ever buy.
  • 2 0
 Werd. I love nsb, down to still being able to get hangers for the old AS-X hanging in my garage, they are just the greatest. I have no doubts these pedals will also be super tidy and last ages.
  • 20 0
 looks really nice. I'm not really understanding the pricing tho. I feel like that kind of price is reserved for something with Ti spindles. I get that it's really high quality, but still. $250?
  • 7 6
 Anything billet will always be more expensive.
  • 7 0
 it´s 250cad
  • 13 0
 $250 CAD, about $200 USD
Deity TMac are $180 USD
  • 1 0
 @Karpiel073: Unite pedals are about 135CAD, Burgtecs are about 185CAD - both made in the UK so comparable in that sense, both made from ‘billet’.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: not entirely true
  • 1 0
 @Pembreeuk: care to explain?
  • 1 1
 @justanotherusername: The phrase “Made in…” is often used in a very misleading way in the industry. For pedals we believe that in order for them to be accurately defined as “Made in..” the pedal body, spindle, end cap and pins should all be manufactured in that country exactly like the guys at North Shore Billet have done…. And PEMBREE whilst we are talking about it.
Perhaps verify what you wrote earlier directly with the brands you mentioned and see what they say…
  • 1 1
 @Pembreeuk: Who made you the authority on the term ‘made in the’?

If you are so interested then verify it with them yourself - I didn’t mention Pembree as your pedals are similarly / more expensive than the NSB and my talking point was price and the label of ‘made in’

So, you make a huge deal about having every part made in the UK and you preach about your environmental credentials when being realistic what tangible benefit do you think exists in having pins or a threaded cap made in the UK? - you get a less efficient machine shop to make parts from print in super low quantities vs a quantity based shop specialising in making fasteners or similar - seeing as you are being judgmental here can you tell me exactly how much better for the environment doing things your way are?

You pass your choices to your customer in terms of price, if the customer cares that you make a pin down the road then that’s wonderful, come back when you can make more than handfuls of product in the same way and at a price realistic for the majority and you will have a point.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: I think you are missing my point. I know exactly where their pedals are made and that is why I challenged your original comment.
  • 1 1
 @Pembreeuk: You know exactly where they have every single part made? How did you get hold of this info then? Could you show proof?

I’m not missing your point - if a product by vast majority is made in the UK (designed, body machined at very least, anodised, assembled) but isn’t absolutely entirely where should they say it’s made? Do you want them to pointlessly list every single country a past is made, if so, why?

So, it doesn’t conform to the great Pembree standards, that’s your problem and your issue to overcome.

Oh, and you missed my point about tangible benefits from UK manufacture of all components above - would you mind posting your figures to support your position? (High horse)

Shitting on other UK manufacturers isn’t cool.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: as per the last time we interacted, we look at the manufacturing of bike parts very differently and with polar opposite beliefs. PEMBREE is an advocate of transparency within the industry and will keep pushing for more companies to follow what NS Billet has done with their new pedal. All the best, Phil Law
  • 2 1
 @Pembreeuk: As you are an advocate for transparency - would you mind sharing the information confirming where the parts that go into the Burgtec and Unite pedals are made?

You are in no position to push anyone in the industry to do anything, especially as you make unfounded claims about your competitors products on a public forum.

Polar opposites beliefs?Because you get a subcontractor in the UK to make an axle or fastener rather than an expert overseas? But again, who are you to decide what the beliefs of Unite and Burgtec are?
More like a superiority complex / delusion of grandeur.
  • 2 1
 @Pembreeuk: thanks for being transparent Phil - As you won’t / can’t then maybe @uniteco or @burgtec will chime in to confirm / deny your intimate knowledge of their business practices and ‘beliefs’.
  • 2 2
 @justanotherusername: let’s hope they do
  • 3 1
 @Pembreeuk: Just to help you out Phil -

Unite co: Axle - 100% made in the UK, machined from EN19T and coated with a black anti-corrosion plating.

Their body is machined in-house and imagine the end cap is too, anodised, packed and shipped in UK.

So you are calling them out because they don’t have a standard M4 cap head screw custom made? Are you insane?

You have made yourself look like a total fool here.
  • 2 5
 @justanotherusername: this conversation is over. Calling someone insane in a world where mental health stigma exists is a step too far.
  • 5 1
 @Pembreeuk: you have to be joking, surely?!

Definition of insane - ‘extremely foolish or irrational’ - Oxford

Who mentioned yours or anyone else’s mental health? - you are seriously clutching at straws here to attempt to throw that out there - if you choose to interpret my comment in that way that’s your problem.

Maybe the better description for you was as being an outright liar?
  • 29 7
 Looks like a TMac
  • 10 0
 In the way all bikes look like sessions perhaps, but also notably different.
  • 5 0
 @tkrug: it´s got grooves, so it looks like a tmac, doh! just like every bike with vertical shock orientation looks like a session Wink
  • 7 2
 It looks like a pedal.
  • 3 0
 Isn‘t the T-Mac symmetrical? Actually I think - grooves aside - that it looks a lot like a DMR Vault.
  • 6 1
 @FuzzyL: The DMR vault looks like a pedal too.
  • 1 5
flag CSharp (Jun 29, 2021 at 14:18) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: So does a Stamp 1 and 5x less!
  • 1 0
 Looks a bit like spank construction to me
  • 1 0
 Looks like a session. Oh sorry wrong thread
  • 1 0
 @Mondbiker: No, it’s the same half circle logo thing at the end of the spindle.
  • 2 0
 Looks like a pedal, yeah.
  • 3 0
 I think you're missing the point.
Pedal? Yes.
Similar? Yes.
Proven Design? Yes.
Something crazy/unproven? No.
Not made in China? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 4 0
 ^^^Edit: Order Placed. Thank you NSB.
  • 14 0
 "2mm of true pedal body concave per side - 14.75mm thick at the axle, 16.75mm at front and rear of the pedal"

So with these dimensions it would be 1mm of concave per side??
  • 3 0
 Beautifully spotted.
  • 17 7
 All these people complaining about price and yet the pedals are already mostly sold out. Looks like it took about an hour. Obviously there is a market for it. I wonder if these are the same people who are saying the bike supply chain wouldn't be so screwed if they made more stuff locally. All I can say is they better not be. FWIW I don't think they are overpriced. Only 30 dollars more than something like Chromags and NSB does top quality stuff.
  • 28 1
 A haiku for you:

Make 20 pairs
Sell out all 20 pedal
"Sold out" already
  • 17 3
 @seraph:

Pair of pedals, sad.
Only pair left unwanted.
But then, happiness.

A one-tap buyer.
He purchases the pedals.
Likely a dentist.
  • 3 3
 @dexterfawkes:

Pretty now, scratched soon
Thick, pricey, heavy--pick three
How rich is One Up?
  • 3 1
 Even more reason for companies to totally discredit anything said in pb comments!
  • 2 0
 @dfsnz: like yours
  • 1 0
 Some things cost more than money. You can have all the money you want, but what good are they, if what you want doesn't exist?

The older you get, the more you realize: if you like something or want something, grab it as soon as you see it - that extra money you pay for it will pay off later, in a form of knowing that you got EXACTLY what you wanted.

In this case (and in case of Devinci that's also made in Canada) - I think it's worth it.

I also think it's baller as F to even be able to buy components made in MTB Mecca!
  • 15 1
 OneUp Composite pedals, best deal and feel available.
  • 3 0
 I love my OneUp composites
  • 3 0
 The OneUps are great, but I will say the new Deity Defttraps are grippier and shred my shoes a bit less.
  • 1 0
 Everything OneUp does is great. I love their bash-guide, handlebars, and dropper. Wish they were USA / Canadian made though. I'm sure the pedals are as well but I went with the Canfield Crampon Ultimate as they are slimmer and more convex.
  • 4 3
 @flowfiend: they made subpar overcomplicated stem and shitty dropper lever;

All other products are top
  • 3 0
 No complaints at all, best pedals flat business
  • 1 0
 @nickmalysh: I don't get the downvotes. I love Oneup's stuff in general, but I had their compression stem on two bikes and they never worked well. I was willing to take the extra time to set them up just right (god help you if you realize after that your bars aren't straight). But every rough ride would have my headset clunking again. Eventually I gave up, ordered their EDC threading tap and new top caps. Their stem is still fine without the compression bit, but nothing special (there are certainly lighter options around for the price). There's a good reason that they quietly dropped the EDC stem system and modified the design so now it's just a regular stem. I also had constant sticking problems with my 1st gen dropper, though V2 apparently eliminated a lot of those issues.

That being said, I my two OneUp chain guides have been flawless, the pump is the best, and the EDC tool is fantastic. Oh, and the handlebar is excellent. Everyone I know who uses their pedals loves them and even their frame straps are pretty handy. I know people say the straps overpriced, but when I went looking for similar straps from the ski/snowboard industry, I didn't really find any better deals on that type of strap.
  • 8 0
 I’m on a composite pedal kick right now, they are light and don’t clank on rocks like my old shimano saint pedals. However* I do like the look and form of these and they will probably last as long as I will biking from the aspect of quality I see here. It’s just too pricy for my cheap ass unfortunately mountain biking is almost too expensive right now.
  • 8 0
 I prefer the oneup composites over all others. Easy service, easily replaced pins, no cringe if I slam them into rocks.
  • 1 0
 @nicktapias: The screws still cause a little cringe, but nothing like the usual SCREECH noise.

Composites also wear better since there's no paint to scrape off if a mouse breathes on them wrong.
  • 10 0
 Top loading pins?

Hard pass. It’s why my favorite pedals are Deftraps not TMacs. Anyplace the trails are rocky, rear loading pins are the way to go.
  • 1 1
 What do you do when your bottom loading pins bend though?
  • 7 0
 @N-60: bend em back or cut them off, then unscrew it
  • 2 0
 The following design far superior in case u need to sell new pedals
  • 10 0
 whoever writes copy for north shore should be commended. clear...concise. ...and makes me want to buy a set.
  • 5 1
 As a consumer, what would make me justify this price over other pedals? I can get Oneup aluminum pedals for 165 bucks, or Deity's Bladerunner pedals for around 180... and the Bladerunners are the best flat pedals I've ever ridden so far. I just can't justify 250 for pedals when there's equally good options out there for far less money
  • 5 0
 These are literally hand made in Whistler by people that love bikes.
That will be more important to some people than others but I think that it’s pretty cool.
  • 8 1
 Daemon pedals - They will make your wallet feel like it's in hell!
  • 7 0
 I can't stop thinking about Matt Damon in Team America.
  • 2 0
 Maaatt Daaaamonn
  • 1 0
 exactly what i thought reading the headline
  • 2 0
 These are so cool. I think I'd take them over any other option at that end of the price spectrum. But if you, like me, pedal-strike 2-3x per ride and would rather spend a bit less on your BC-made pedals, don't forget Blackspire.
  • 5 0
 If you can afford it, these are sweet
  • 1 0
 NSB makes great CNC products but for pedals I prefer nylon composite for weight saving and fast spinning. Been abusing my RF Chester for 3 years and after countless pedal strikes still no sign of any breakage. Does metal pedal offer any advantage over composite?
  • 1 0
 Alloy platforms can bend, composite snaps
  • 10 6
 Glad Canada used US Steel!! Thank you Canadians for providing jobs!!!
  • 2 0
 You know that the steel and aluminum either imported to the US from Jina or the Great White North, right? Big Grin It's almost like we're getting steel and aluminum back after we exported out as raw goods. Wait a sec, our gas is double the prices in a lot of states in the US! WTF!?!
  • 4 0
 and then there is the oneup pc pedals, the one pedal to rule them all
  • 4 0
 Best pedal ever had - Chromag Dagga.
  • 5 1
 Don't forget you can get Made-in-USA Yoshimura pedals for $190.
  • 2 0
 not to burst your bubble too much but that's 190 USD which is 235 CAD so 15 dollar savings
  • 3 0
 250$ for a pedals is insane. Oh, I wish Tenet pedals could be find in Europe.
  • 1 1
 Do we really need to know where every single component is sourced?

These could be made on the Moon for all I care, as long as the product holds up and the price is reasonable (which at $245CAD or £145 before shipping and fees... it isn't)
  • 2 0
 Wish they were a bit bigger of a platform; something closer to the dagga or wah wah.
  • 3 0
 mouth dropped @ $250.00. wow
  • 2 0
 you just spend how much on your bike???
and you’re bitching about 250$.phoque off
  • 1 0
 That’s $75 more than my Burgtec Penthouse Flats! Which are awesome and hopefully last as long as my MK1s which are ancient and still going
  • 2 0
 Damn already can’t get the silver ones
  • 2 1
 Is there no Canadian steel or aluminum? Interesting that the raw materials were generally out of the US.
  • 7 0
 A significant amount of engineering grade materials reaches its machinable state in the USA. I’m in Australia and much of what we need at work has to be sourced from the USA. That’s despite being literally a km down the road from a huge bauxite mine, and 50km from a huge aluminium refinery.
  • 2 0
 Lots of Canadian aluminum, but probably easier to get from the US than shipping from Quebec.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: Huge Smelter in northern BC
  • 2 0
 @ratedgg13: I live right by a huge aluminum smelter in bc but probably same reason as the guy above you said
  • 2 0
 Remember that a large majority of aluminium ends up as stuff like castings/forgings, coiled sheet for packaging, extrusions for things like window frames, fencing, etc etc.... Solid stock engineering materials like 6061 and 7075 are a relatively small niche. We can get plate, and tubing that is made in Australia, but much of our 6061 and 7075 that goes into our mills and turning centres, is sourced from the USA.
  • 1 0
 Devinci frames are welded with Canadian aluminum so yes there is.
  • 3 0
 Pass
  • 2 0
 saw these on insta this morning and half the colors were already sold out.
  • 2 0
 Couldn't find or make that one nut in Canada?
  • 2 0
 Which one of them is Yoann? And why aren’t his brothers mentioned?
  • 2 0
 Is there Matt Daemon signature edition?
  • 1 0
 nice how they have almost 1:1 copied the Burgtec mk5 penthouse. That should make for a good pedal, then...
  • 2 0
 Only over $75 more than my Burgtecs (according to online exchange rates)
  • 2 0
 $250 for flat pedals Eek that is crazy!!!!
  • 1 0
 Good to see NSB is still up and running. They make hangers for almost every bike imaginable.
  • 1 0
 Double seals on the inboard side. Best part of the whole pedal. Maybe the Igus bushing won't disintegrate into the wind.
  • 1 0
 Any benefits over one ups?
  • 18 2
 Made in North America. Pretty important to a lot of people.
  • 9 0
 Also these are concave vs OneUp convex. I much prefer concave.....
  • 2 0
 Just a matter of preference. One Ups are $80 and 70g less and 8mm thinner at the leading edge but they are not concave or made domestically.
  • 2 1
 @Zaeius: OneUp aluminum are $129 USD or $165 CAD so a bit more expensive than you list....But still less than $250!
  • 6 0
 @adrennan: why is it more capitalist to "buy American"? Isn't it more capitalist to buy from whomever has the competitive advantage and can offer the best product for the lowest price in a given market? I've never understood this paradox.
  • 1 0
 @Dogl0rd: yes, this is why 'American capitalism' is a term. It's like capitalism... But different
  • 4 0
 @Dogl0rd: fair question. (goddammit never leave comments in pinkbike. i regret it everytime) in my opinion the argument for buying american as an act of capitalism is more a display of loyalty to a capitalist system, as opposed to the communist foundations of the most obvious competition- China. i also see it as purchasing the best product in a fair market- not a "given market". and for me, a fair market is one that practices respect for patents or intellectual property laws, and Chinas relationship with both is suspect as best.
nevertheless, this philosophy i espouse- buying american over chinese- is much easier to virtue signal with online than it is to practice with while poor.
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: Yoann Barelli--not made in Canadia. Nut--Vietnam
  • 2 0
 @Dogl0rd: it's fine if it isnt important to you. Personally, I feel that by buying goods produced closer to home, I am more likely to have a positive impact locally that may come back to benefit my interests (by way of boosting a more local economy). I also have more faith in American manufacturing having some form of environmental and employment standards. It's not a paradox, just a different line of thinking
  • 3 0
 @obee1: But the alternative is often made in Taiwan, an American supported pseudo state, also a democracy.
  • 1 0
 @DGWW: our courageous friends in the World Health Organization might not agree with your delusions about Taiwan.
  • 2 0
 @obee1: Delusions ? the WHO is influenced by the PRC (China) who doesn't even recognize Taiwan (ROC) as a nation. AFAIK you can't refer to Taiwan as a country in any Chinese led summits etc. Taiwan IS a democracy, and without American support, it would cease to be independent of Xi and the CCP. I'm very curious to know what part of my statement you think is deluded ?
  • 2 0
 @obee1: I share your feelings on this one. With every purchase we make where the country of origin is China, we are supporting an Authoritarian dictatorship, who have amassed immense wealth and power through this very mechanism. Products from China are cheaper, because their government doesn't need to play by the same rules that nearly everyone else does. Any cost savings from Chinese made goods will come back to bite us in the ass. Every dollar you spend in China gets us one step closer to the CCP being in control. Take a close look at the film industry in the USA, you'll notice a sharp increase in Chinese corp spending in American and international "entertainment" markets. The CCP spends billions a year chipping away at us through their own deranged PR apparatus.
  • 3 0
 @DGWW: i think i am guilty of casual conversational lingo and a dash of political cynicism. as i mentioned above, the practiced disregard towards patent and intellectual property laws in China provides a real sore spot for me, and the past years mobilized goalposts in the games of journalism and politics has left me shut out and tired of playing.
the fact that the WHO's leaders during the Q&A at that summit last year- where they refused to answer questions about Taiwan as a country- was despicable. and predictable. and that was the foundation of my lament.
i like the posts you make. well thought out.
  • 1 0
 @obee1: I feel you on the China aspect
  • 1 0
 i though Yoann rode clipity clop pedals? these look amazing!
  • 2 1
 But the real question is who rides flat pedals better; Yoan or Remi?
  • 1 0
 If he had been on flats he wouldn't have been injured and needed surgery.
  • 1 0
 Yoann rules! Most fun dude on a bike period.
  • 1 2
 $250 for a pair of pedals and it's less than a pair of tires. Contact points don't skimp on quality
  • 1 0
 woop woop
  • 1 1
 So sick!!

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