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Guerrilla Gravity Announces Revved Carbon Rear Triangle Kits

Jan 13, 2022
by Guerrilla Gravity  


PRESS RELEASE: Guerrilla Gravity

If your New Year's resolutions are to be lighter, stronger, faster, then we are here to help.

We've launched the latest addition to the Modular Frame Platform: Revved Rear Triangle Kits.

The new kit allows riders on all bikes built on the Modular Frame Platform an upgrade option to add the Fully Revved Trail Pistol to their quiver.

The Modular Frame Platform is the backbone of our bikes. Each model has been built on the platform allowing you to easily transform your bike to accommodate varied riding styles and terrain. With this newest addition, you can now experience the benefits of riding Fully Revved.

Revved Carbon redefines the relationship between weight and durability allowing you to experience the best of both worlds. The Rear Triangle Kit can transform any of our models into a Fully Revved Trail Pistol, for a lighter-weight singletrack flyer.

Fully Revved Trail Pistol Rear Triangle Kit specs:
-120 mm of travel via a 50mm stroke shock
-Up to 300 grams of weight savings vs GG’s alloy rear triangle options
-The durability of Revved Carbon (300% tougher than traditional carbon)
-Improved power transfer, thanks to 50% increase in torsional stiffness
-The potential to keep up with Yoann (but not guaranteed)

The Modular Frame Platform reinvents the idea of “n+1.” A bike that can evolve with you, extending the lifespan and versatility of your quiver without taking up space on the bike rack (or your credit card bill). With the addition of the Rear Triangle Kits, you get Revved durability from front to rear. Coupled with the sustainability of a short supply chain (shoutout to our production team in Denver, CO) and recyclable material, your carbon “tread-print” is headed in the right direction.

The rear triangle comes pre-assembled straight out of the Colorado manufacturing facility, making the DIY upgrade easier than assembling an IKEA nightstand. After all, less time in the garage equals more on the trail.


The kit includes everything needed for a quick swap (e.g. axle, derailleur hanger, cable ties). With GG’s custom online builders, riders can select any component they need for their new short-travel setup (e.g. fork, wheels, cassette). Everything will arrive at your doorstep in what may be the smallest “new bike” box ever.

All you need for the swap is a few tools, a bike stand, and a beer in hand (last step optional). Or you can drop it off at your local bike shop and spend the free time scoping out some new singletrack to fly down.


So, for the carbon curious, grab a kit and experience riding Fully Revved.

Revved Rear Triangle Kits start at $1195 with additional component options available at RideGG.com.

With some of the shortest lead times in the industry, the kits ship just as fast as our bikes - only 1-2 weeks.


139 Comments

  • 58 4
 “Up to 300 grams of weight savings vs GG’s alloy rear triangle options“

Wow, that is pretty significant for just the rear triangle.
  • 32 0
 A shade under $4/gram...
  • 15 1
 I was thinking they same thing, were the old stays just solid chunks of aluminum???
  • 55 0
 @krka73: thats some cheap colorado goods per gram
  • 137 0
 @krka73: I always like to keep the rule of thumb in my mind that a dollar bill weighs approximately 1 gram, so it is often easier/cheaper to save weight by dumping your cash on the trail
  • 2 0
 @krka73: that'll get u a gram of some red label buds around here....
  • 22 4
 And 300% stronger, but only on "Blue Trails"...
Smile Smile Smile
  • 4 0
 @fuzzhead45: That is the best 'rule of thumb' I have ever heard in my life.
  • 4 5
 @mrosie: There are less ball bearings (use the flex of carbon) and also a rear triangle has a complex shape that can profit more from carbon that the front one.
Years ago, Alutech produced aftermarket carbon seatstays that weight 300g less than the alloy version.
  • 3 0
 @fuzzhead45: ^All the upvotes!^ As a (mostly) recovered bikeorexic, this is one of the best laughs I've had in a long, long time!
  • 1 0
 @mrosie: probably! The previous version cracked if you looked at them funny.
  • 4 0
 ups... I looked closely again and they don't use flexible seatstays. Sorry for the mistake!
  • 4 0
 @adrennan: No sir, that's what we just call Tegridy.
  • 1 0
 @fuzzhead45: if you throw away coins instead you can realise much better weight savings per dollar. Moving to a cash-free society was such a backwards step!
  • 2 1
 Definitely significant, but you can save around 2-300g by going from an entry level cassette to a blinged out one so I could see swapping aluminum for carbon saving that much in a rear triangle.
  • 1 0
 @fuzzhead45: I always carry about $500 in singles on my ride. I will dump them before my next climb.
  • 3 0
 @krka73: For that price they could make it out of cannabis.
  • 4 0
 @fuzzhead45:
The problem is I’m broke so either way I have no way to reduce weight
  • 3 0
 @Call-911: You can just not eat and that will help both of your problems Wink
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: Depends, what kinda of grams you're buying
  • 3 2
 @fuzzhead45: Except a $100 bill weighs the same as a $1 bill...
  • 1 0
 @dsut4392: what are you suggesting rear swingarms are the new currency?
  • 2 0
 @rcrocha: Can I please come riding with you..?
  • 43 1
 I own a 2021/22 Trail Pistol with this rear triangle and it's an AMAZING bike! The suspension feel is buttery smooth. That said, If I owned the aluminum rear triangle already I would not spend $1200 to save 300G. The aluminum rear seat stay kit is $445 which is much more reasonable. But, I applaud GG for making ALL options available to customers.
  • 12 2
 Alu seat stay is $445, but you need the chainstay to complete the rear triangle, which is $300. So all in just over $400 to upgrade the rear to revved over aluminum which seems reasonable IMO.
  • 5 1
 It's definitely a lot, but.... people spend about that much extra on carbon wheels to save the same amount of weight. Plus, if you're buying this for your Gnarvana, you're getting much more than just weight savings. My guess is most people who already own a Trail Pistol won't jump for this but for those looking to have the swapability it will be worth the cost over getting the aluminum rear triangle.
  • 8 3
 I think it's a bit pricey. The Trail Pistol frame with a DB Air shock is $2800- so for around $1000 more you can get a whole frame.
  • 4 1
 @yeaux: True if you're wanting to change your geometry. For those of us that have aluminum rear triangles and want to go to full revved carbon $1,200 is pretty steep.
  • 5 0
 @chrsei: Something is wrong with your addition.
  • 3 1
 @yeaux: If you start off with a full carbon Trail Pistol you need to buy the aluminum seat stay, the aluminum chain stay and the hardware kit to switch to any of the other frames (The carbon stay are not compatible with the aluminum stays). So that puts you at $800 to move from a full carbon TP to something like a Smash. The smart thing to do is just start out with a Smash or Gnarvana (which has the AL rear) and just buy the AL seat stay kits for $445.
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: You will need a new shock if you switch the geo
  • 4 0
 @chrsei: That too!
The truth is you're better off just buying the one you need and sticking with it. The versatility is really just the icing on the cake.
  • 3 0
 @djbutcher13: I think it is only available on the trail pistol. I'm guessing the carbon rear for the big hit bikes are coming.
  • 1 0
 @dirtdiggler: The release from GG states that the new carbon rear works with all modular frames. I think you're conflating their previous statement about people trying to put alu seat stays on their trail pistols and vice versa.
  • 2 0
 @provin1327: I'm in the same boat. I have modular frame smash with alu stays and waiting to see how much the carbon rear for the smash will be when it's released. That said, I'll likely pick up the TP carbon rear in the future, but I'm in no rush.
  • 5 0
 @yeaux: "The new kit allows riders on all bikes built on the Modular Frame Platform an upgrade option to add the Fully Revved Trail Pistol to their quiver."

What this means is for $1200 you can mount the entire rear triangle (SS and CS) to your existing GG. The carbon SS and CS are designed to work together and are not compatible with the existing aluminum seat stay kits. So, if you already own a fully Revved Trail pistol (2022) like I do you cannot simply purchase a seat stay kit for $445 and switch to the Gnarvana or Smash. You have to also purchase the aluminum chain stay kit and hardware. This is well known in the GG community. The Carbon triangles are 0mm offset and the aluminum ones are 3mm offset.
  • 4 0
 @dirtdiggler: Exactly what i'm about to do. I was waiting to see what happened with the carbon seatstays in the Mega trail config to make my Gnarvana a mulleted weapon. But after seeing that price (not that im bashing the price, its just more than i need to spend) im going to grab the Alu version. Oh and also they havent released the carbon megatrail seat-stays anyway...
  • 14 3
 I love my GG frame, but $1200 is a lit fir a rear triangle, esp when a fulltbrevved frame is $2800; the pre-Revved chainstay frame price was quite a bit less.

It seems like GG bikes are gradually catching up with average frame prices …. they were a good deal back in the day.

Still made in ‘mericsa which counts for something (if you live here) and they’re still great riding bikes.

My fav GG bike was a “long-medium” aluminum Smash in raw, probably should have kept it.
  • 4 0
 $1200 is for half of a frame, not just the seatstay like the old kits. This is for the seatstay and chainstay.
  • 6 0
 $2800 frame includes a $500 shock, so $1200 isn't unreasonable really. Still, you really have to want full carbon to justify it when there is a $450 Al seatstay option available already...
  • 6 0
 @jmesw15: ... and there are plenty of decent aluminum frames for a whole lot less. A Devinci Spartan aluminum frame with shock, welded in Canada, is $2200 USD.

Devinci has a lifetime warranty on their aluminum frames, they have a very good track record, and their suspension design is bonified.
  • 8 0
 @nurseben:
"I am the only daddy you got. I'm the damn paterfamilias."

"But you ain't bona fide."
  • 5 0
 @AndrewHornor: the best thing you ever did for those girls was get hit by that train
  • 10 0
 The biggest questions/thoughts I have for Guerrilla Gravity is what is their warranty percentage since moving to their Revved carbon? If it is as strong as they claim I would think it would be very low if not zero for the front triangles (not bearings/pivots/rear swingarm components). Second, if all of these benefits (lower manufacturing costs, higher strength, in house production) are true I would think a smaller/mid level brand would consider licensing their system and I wonder if they've considered this.
  • 6 0
 The new carbon rear that came on my TP is BEEFY in person. I can't imagine snapping the rear unless I was doing 12 foot drops to flat and bottoming the shock over and over.
  • 5 0
 I owned a Shred Dogg that I would take down double black diamond trails a bit. The carbon is durable. Other frames I worried and inspected. The GG, I just kind of forgot about it. Even the paint stays way longer because they can actually powder coat the frame. There are hardly any vibrations and sounds from the front triangle.

One thing it always made me wonder is why not take this recyclable material and make wheels or cranks with it? Or lower end 1 piece bar stems? If not for immediate weight savings, Id do it just because they could recycle it.
  • 1 0
 @chillrider199: I have just the foggiest memory of a statement about GG applying their tech to wheels...iirc, they were looking into it but rims presented some unique hurdles. I may be talking out my arse here, but in short, I believe they have considered/are considering rims too.
  • 3 0
 @mikealive: Revel Wheels
  • 1 0
 @wburnes: Yep, there it is! Thanks for sharing that, Revel Wheels are indeed the ones using GG's tech.
  • 1 0
 Revel Wheels doesn't use their tech per say, but rather, uses similar technology.
  • 12 3
 A lot of complaints about the price, but the Al seatstay was $445. If we assume a chainstay would have been similar, that's $890 for an Al rear triangle. I don't think an extra $310 over that for the change to carbon is wildly out of line.
  • 20 27
flag Afterschoolsports (Jan 13, 2022 at 7:50) (Below Threshold)
 Man it must be nice to live in a world where a $1200 carbon triangle is reasonable because the aluminium version costs $900. Oh to be that disconnected from reality.....
  • 20 3
 @Afterschoolsports: Every SINGLE one of us here are grown'ish folks riding, talking about, reading about bikes that cost the same as many folks pay for a car or can't even fathom paying for 20 bikes, much less one. Nice virtue signaling though...
  • 4 13
flag Afterschoolsports (Jan 13, 2022 at 8:37) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: hardly virtue signalling, just pointing out the absurdity of the logic being applied.
  • 4 3
 @Afterschoolsports: Welcome to bike prices 2022. Get used to it.
  • 5 1
 @Afterschoolsports: Not saying things are not stupid expensive right now, but to judge with market relativity a Tallboy frame and shock is $3600, a Ripmo is $3500, a trail pistol is $2795 and made in Colorado. Doesn't seem too bad by comparison. Of course to a-la-carte the rear triangle would be more than buying the complete frame outright but the prices are not out of line at all with the current market. As for the sustainability of the sport at current market prices, well that is a whole 'nuther story.
  • 7 3
 I'm with afterschool, if $1200 for a rear triangle is considered reasonable, then we're beginning to lose perspective.

This is an "upgrade" for folks who already own a GG bike. So if I purchased a GG Trail Pistol frame for $2000-2200 in the past two years, I will have spent $3000-3600 to upgrade to a fully revved Trail Pistol frame.

This ^ is expensive!

I'm a total GG fan boi, been riding their bikes for a few years, owned all of their bikes other than a Gnarvana, and I think there should be a reasonably priced upgrade program for owners.

I have a GG Revved Shred with aluminum stays and there's no way I'd upgrade for $1200, I'd sooner sell my Shred and buy a bike from someone else.

Also keep in mind that this the second launch of the Trail Pistol revved rear triangle, the first was flawed and became a huge fiasco, so this is not exactly a great relaunch.
  • 1 0
 double post
  • 3 4
 @Afterschoolsports: LOL dude get yourself a raise
  • 5 5
 A lot of complaints about the price, but make more money and relative cost goes down.
  • 3 0
 @Afterschoolsports: I’m not going to disagree that $1200 is too much part of a frame, but weren’t you posting the other day about your Canam that’s in the shop? Sounds like you should have pretty high tolerance for expensive hobbies.
  • 1 0
 Tbf the aluminum seat stay kits are a bit overpriced too imo. This carbon rear triangle is painful though. It's not "half a frame", the front triangle has way more material.
  • 8 0
 My fully revved Trail Pistol has quickly become my go-to bike. Light and snappy climber, but handles rowdy trails as my Sentinel. The geo is spot on, and it feels like a big, long bike when descending. I'm a bigger rider (6'5", 220lb) and have had no durability issues despite putting the Trail Pistol through some rough trails and questionable lines. Awesome work GG - keep it up!
  • 9 0
 Rear Triangles != Actual Triangles. Change my mind.
  • 3 0
 They are on Starling bikes
  • 2 1
 [1] FALSE
  • 14 7
 1200 quid? Pass
  • 7 5
 Innit. You could buy a car for that (before Covid).
  • 6 4
 @chakaping: 1200 USD is about 880 quid. I don’t know what’s going on with the used car market in the UK but you can’t buy a car that will get you to work twice for under ~$3000 in the US for many years now.
  • 3 0
 @mrpfp: The trouble is most USA products by the time they make it here we pay the same in sterling as you do in dollars. So to us it's like you paying 1650 dollars for it.
Some FOX 40s over here costs 2600 dollars...
  • 1 0
 I sold my 1995 Audi A4 1.9 tdi for 800€, it was in perfectly fine running condition. I'm not familiar with the US used car market I find your claim rather difficult to believe. Unless you're getting paid to destroy old cars...
  • 1 0
 And take the American cars too.. the Camaro starts at 25000 dollars in the US...it costs £31500 or 43000 dollars for the base 2 litre model over here. Stuff in the UK is a lot more expensive than the USA.

Specialized Kenevo SL S Works here...that will be 18000 dollars in your country...
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: Google “Cash for Clunkers”. The government enacted a program to take old cars off the road in an attempt to reduce emissions. Owners of low value cars were enticed to scrap their vehicles for government subsidized trade allowances. Every one of those cars thad the oil drained and silica gel poured in the crank case. We were instructed to rev the engine until it seized. The used car market has never been the same. I worked at a mid-sized Toyota dealer during that program and I guarantee you we killed and scrapped around 400 perfectly useful cars. Sub $1k cars are scarce here.
  • 1 1
 @Danzzz88: I’m not disputing your point. Different struggles on each side of the Atlantic no doubt.
You guys get free healthcare. Existence is not universal. The things we suffer from differ depending on borders. The things we benefit from differ as well.
  • 1 1
 @mrpfp: Ok, so if you can't get cars for under $3000, that means the government pays owners more than that for anything that moves?
  • 1 0
 @DavidGuerra: It was a temporary program back in 2009. It wiped the market of truly cheap cars because the government would give between $2500 and $4500 (3000-5000 in 2022 dollars) for anything you could drag to a dealership. People were trailering junk cars in and getting 4x value if they bought any new car that achieved minimum 22mpg. It destroyed the cheap car market.
I’m not saying people don’t find $1000 cars from time to time. It’s a rarity now though.
Are your local listings flooded with €800 cars?
  • 1 0
 @mrpfp: I just did a quick search on a car listing site and there are 50 listings below 1000€.
  • 1 1
 @mrpfp: Easily done when the country is printing left right and centre with no actual commodity to back it up...not to worry everything will be worthless again when the economy collapses not matter what bs the media is feeding about it going up.
  • 6 0
 Will this fit my hardtail ?
  • 4 0
 Shame it isn't for the megatrail Frown
If love to have a more streamlined look with the hidden brake cable and mech cable all tooked away inside the frame!
  • 5 0
 Yoann is testing a Revved chainstay with a alloy Gnarvana stay. So we just have to be patient and see what happens
  • 2 0
 @Jcolis1904: fingers crossed!! Would make it even more of a tank!
  • 6 0
 Why cant these people make rims???
  • 2 0
 Nobody said they can't, they are just focused on bike frames
  • 5 0
 @bman33: yes it seems so (tho revel does it just fine). I'm just saying I wish they would make rims - would probably be really good, possibly well priced - and its a big market.
  • 1 0
 @zeedre: agreed, they might be very good rims if they decided to focus on them. Not sure of the cost on molds and drilling machines (for the holes) would be
  • 1 0
 I think GG's strategy is be very careful about over extending themselves. They've always been a bit reactive in terms of catching up with demand. It's my understanding that their manufacturing facility is something like 5x as big as the old one so they'll have alot of room to grow.
  • 1 0
 @PHeller: Agreed and that is how they describe things. Up until last year, I lived 10 min from their office/warehouse (the one the just moved away from). It wasn't that big. I know the new place is larger, but they are cautious and I don't blame them
  • 6 2
 Only 1200 for rear triangle my budget leaves me 2000 to build rest of the bike
  • 2 0
 Some brands are ditching the rear pivots/bearings on their carbon rear triangles and go with flex stays for shorter travel bikes. I wonder if GG considered that as it would drop more weight.
  • 5 8
 Those flex stays are destroying coil shocks on stumpjumpers.
  • 2 0
 @blaaaaaaaaaah: please explain
  • 5 1
 @blaaaaaaaaaah: I'm riding a 2021 Stumpjumper. I thought all of the stock shocks were air, right? A coil shock on a 130mm bike seems overkill but what do I know.
  • 10 1
 @blaaaaaaaaaah: that’s the yoke extender amplifying a frames alignment issues killing the shocks.
  • 4 1
 Vorsprung does a good job explaining the yoke extender issue: www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Lpxj9zVis among other things
  • 1 0
 @blaaaaaaaaaah: I dont think these flex. Look closely
  • 4 0
 Can you make it in different lengths to accommodate the larger frames?
  • 1 0
 Now that would be cool
  • 5 0
 WOW SUCH BIG NEWS HOORAY
  • 2 1
 Is this ever worth it? Isn't it better to trade your frame for another one? That way the trade/sell possibility exists, but if you buy this you are left with an unsellable half-bike.
  • 4 1
 Better hurry, last I heard, TP is in high demand.
  • 2 0
 Now GG just needs to offer the longer travel frames with the carbon rear end!!
  • 3 0
 Can you make some for orbea? Keep breaking lol
  • 6 3
 Lol 1200! Gotta capitalize on inflation
  • 3 0
 What do you do with the old, cheap aluminium rear triangle?
  • 4 0
 use it as a heckling device at the races? backup? hang it up as an art piece?
  • 5 3
 sell it to someone who hates carbon as its not "environmentally friendly", while they drive their bike around in a massive gas guzzling vehicle.
  • 3 0
 I’d really like to see carbon hardtail from GG.
  • 5 3
 The planet needs more carbon and as a bonus you'll be 2% faster.
  • 9 4
 At least their variant of carbon is actually recyclable
  • 6 8
 @adrennan: Incorrect.. Its reusable not recyclable.
  • 2 0
 @provin1327: that only says it "can be" recycled. No details. Normally something like this can only be "downcycled", which is "reused" and not actually recycled as @adrennan said.

WAY back when all this started there was lots of talk of stems and pedals recycled from this plastic carbon resin stuff. But haven't seen it?

The only thing I did see was overpriced Revvd carbon tire levers that interestingly enough if you google you can find numerous articles about but you can't actually find them for sale on their website...?
  • 1 0
 @stiingya: the tire levers I thought were revel's thing. I don't think revved gg bikes have been on the market long enough to have made it to recycling. I thought it was a program where gg would take them for recycling?
  • 2 0
 Because someone says they're recyclable doesn't mean they're actually recycling them. GG came out with their carbon frames in Jan 2019, not sure when Revel came out with theirs.
  • 3 0
 @provin1327: Don't believe everything marking folks tell you. GG is using thermoplastic carbon fiber. While you can reset the the plastic the structure of the material is still based on the carbon fibers. Once those fibers are cut that's it, you can use it for anything else longer. If the fibers break, again that's it. They are very few companies actually reprocessing this material. You need to remove the thermoplastic and reuse the fibers. In most cases all you can do is chop them up and use it in injection molding. And like earlier, there are very few companies doing this. And the parts you can make are limited. Maybe downcycling... but recycling... nope.
  • 2 0
 @tigerstripes: Revel doesn't make carbon frames using thermoplastic fusing. They make their frames in a traditional layup manner in Vietnam.

Revel Wheels, however, are made by CSS Composites out of Gunnison Utah, using a similar manufacturing method to GG's "Frame Maker", but with far more expensive machinery, hence their increased cost. GG has basically been making the Revved frames using a proverbial garage built fusing machine. That's how they were able to stay so competitive in price - they weren't blowing their investment load on multi-million dollar machines and passing those costs onto the consumer - they were building frames on a budget so customers could actually afford them. The Revved rear ends required new molds and new machines, and so the consumer sees a bit more of that in the pricing.

In terms of recycling, it's definitely a case of "theory vs application". In theory, the frames are recyclable, but body is recycling them yet. Where as your average alloy frame will legit be recycled by numerous metal recycling plants nationwide.
  • 2 0
 @porkchopsandwich: The hardpoints (ie solid structures) in a GG bike are beginning to be made from upcycled manufacturing trimmings and drop, where short fibers are actually better. This is what is meant by "recycled". Less garbage in the bin out of the factory.
  • 2 0
 @adrennan: Yes the levers were from Revel's wheels. But the point was it's the ONLY product to come out of all of this GREEN manufacturing they talk about. AND you apparently can't even buy them? Plus is was expensive for a tire lever. (and you should be able to get a lot of tire levers out of one bad wheel, there must be plenty of broken wheels and manufacturer defects available to turn into levers)

Never heard anything ever stating GG takes anything from Revel for recycling? And I'd go back to the point that a tire lever from a wheel is not recycling. It's downcycling. That is still better then throwing it in the trash. But it's no where near the GREEN manufacturing that is being marketed?
  • 1 0
 @olson44: Pictures or it didn't happen... that would be great if it was true. But it's hard to believe GG would miss out on actually showing TRUE recycling of a carbon frame.
  • 1 0
 @stiingya: this was detailed at length on GG Instagram and emails last April, around earth day.
  • 2 0
 @olson44: "Virgin carbon trimmings" NOT recycled parts from broken frames...

EVERYBODY uses smaller parts of the larger carbon sheet for smaller spaces in a frame. Maybe there is something more they are doing there than another carbon frame manufacturer? IDK. But thats not at all recycling...
  • 1 0
 Now I know why my bike feels like cr*p. It's made of traditional carbon. Defo no tuff enuff.
  • 1 0
 Does one get a better deal on a full rig? The frame will prove its worth but guys, chill with the corporate meta speak.
  • 2 0
 Gnarvana....?
  • 2 0
 Looks like only the Trail Pistol: ridegg.com/collections/modular-frame-kits Everything else is still just the aluminum seatstays.
  • 1 0
 Is that new? I figured that was already an option..
  • 1 1
 Agreed…
Hopefully it’s as strong too…
  • 4 5
 $1200 for a rear triangle kit!?!? Nukeproof is selling their carbon rear triangle MX upgrade for $750....
  • 14 2
 And they are made in some Asian sweat shop as well.
  • 3 4
 @bman33: ….and??
  • 4 0
 @KK11: Paying western first world wages vs. an Asian sweat shop . Nukeproof pricing vs GG the comment above is referring to.
  • 1 1
 How do you define "tougher"?
  • 5 0
 It is the engineering application of the term.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toughness
  • 3 0
 @olson44: Thank you, I was curious, obvious in retrospect.
  • 1 0
 Swingarm.
  • 4 6
 So basically they are saying their old frames are shit
  • 2 3
 Yawn….
  • 4 7
 JUST SAY NO TO CARBON -weebleswobbles

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