First Ride: Propain Ekano 2 CF

Oct 12, 2023
by Ralf Hauser  


After the launch of the Ekano 2 AL aluminum model not long ago, Propain is now officially presenting the Ekano 2 CF, their first e-bike made from carbon fiber. While the frames look similar in shape, the frame materials aren't the only difference between the two options, as the Ekano 2 CF uses SRAM's Eagle Powertrain instead of the Shimano motor system found on the alloy model.

As one of the few select launch partners of SRAM's recently introduced Eagle Powertrain system, Propain worked closely with the drivetrain giant to best integrate the new offering into their frame. The Ekano 2 CF has a slightly shifted focus from the freeride-oriented aluminum version, pushing the performance and lightweight aspect more into the foreground. Even though there technically has never been an Ekano 1 CF, the bike is still referred to as 2 to correlate with the design of the aluminum version.

Propain Ekano 2 CF Details
• Wheel size: 29" or mix
• Rear wheel travel: 170mm
• Blend Carbon frame
• 64° head angle
• Chainstays: 453mm
• 12 x 148mm rear spacing
• Sizes: S-XL
• Colors: Deep Forest, Carbon Raw, Mighty Mango
• Price: from $7,794 to $11,299 (same for EUR/GBP)
www.propain-bikes.com

PHOTO Stefan Eigner


Frame Details

Utilizing their Blend Carbon technology, Propain carbon frames are made from prepreg carbon layers. These ensure an optimal resin content, thereby providing significantly higher strength values. Each of the layers has special properties and specific roles in certain areas of the frame. Different fibers and fabrics are used based on the requirements for stiffness, flexibility, impact resistance, weight, strength, and the direction of stress.

The carbon structure of the frame is wrapped around the motor. An additional skid plate made from a fiber-reinforced plastic offers impact protection. The motor is further hidden behind two plastic covers on the sides.

The battery can be removed towards the downside of the down tube. It is protected by a battery cover made from carbon, which is painted in the frame color. It can be removed by rotating a small finger lock at the top of the cover by 90 degrees. The battery is securely held in place on the frame by a hex bolt. A tab makes it easier to remove the battery.

Throughout the entire frame, stainless steel bearings from Acros are used. That's apart from their proven Dirt Shield – an extra seal on top of the bearings to shield them from dust, water, and dirt.

Propain decided to equip the bike with the optional cable to power the AXS derailleur, therefore never having to charge an external battery as it is fed power from the main battery of the bike. The cable itself is led along the right side of the lower linkages from the motor and then inside the chainstay towards the derailleur.

The speed sensor cable and rear disc cable run along the other side of the frame. Compared to the early production model in the pictures, the sensor cable too will disappear into the inside of the left chainstay.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
SRAM Powertrain inside.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Trunnion mount at the bottom link.


Apart from aesthetical aspects, a custom brake adapter is mounted to the inside of the left chainstay that also improves power transfer towards the frame. It can be set between post mount 200 or 220 sizes without the need for further adapters.

As introduced on the Tyee 6, the Ekano 2 CF now features ICR (Integrated Cable Routing) through the headset. In cooperation with Sixpack, a special stem (35 or 50 mm length) was developed and the cables are led into the frame by a pinch-through seal of a special spacer underneath the stem. Ride height can be adjusted by form-fitting clip-in spacers without having to take everything apart. Also, aside from the seal at the cable port an IPS seal on top of the upper stainless steel bearing further protects the unit.

The headset also features the Acros Blocklock system to limit the turning circle to 120 degrees and avoid possible damage to the bike in case of a crash. I

PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Beefy carbon rear connection.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Custom brake adapter with 200 or 220 postmount standard.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner
AXS battery cable feed from the motor.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
No extra charging required.


A bottle mount on the down tube also acts as the mounting point for an optional Range Extender battery. The underside of the top tube holds mounts for tools or likewise accessories.

The chainstay protector – made from soft TPR-plastic with air-filled pockets to absorb chain slap – wasn't fully finished yet and will cover more of the chainstay in the region of the chainring, compared to what was mounted on our early production models.

The Ekano 2 CF has endured more than 500,000 cycles on Propain's test benches, testing them to Category 5 standards and giving unlimited bike park approval.

The frame is available in three colors: Carbon Raw, Deep Forest and new to Propain's palette, Mighty Mango. As always, decal colors can be picked in lots of variations during their customization process.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Light up the comment section. Sealed internal headset cable routing.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Plenty of tire clearance.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Bottle and tool mount.
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Change between 29" or 27.5" rear wheel with a flip chip maintaining geometry.


Motor & Electronics

For details on SRAM's new Eagle Powertrain system, it's best to go here.

As a quick summary, the motor hardware is delivered by Brose with 90 Nm of torque and a peak output of 680 Watts. All of the software integration is handled by SRAM, therefore it comes as no surprise that the system is fully integrated into their AXS app hub. It also allows for an optional full Auto Shift mode that plays in sync with their AXS Transmission components. Furthermore, Coast Shift, which is always active, makes it possible to shift gears without pedaling, while the bike is rolling.

There are only two ride modes, Rally or Range, which can be fine-tuned regarding their power output and behavior through the AXS app.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Fiber-reinforced skid plate.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
SRAM motor powered by Brose behind the cover.

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Rally or Range ride modes.
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Charging plug in front of the motor.


The SRAM AXS Bridge Display is nicely integrated into the top tube and can easily be removed to gain access to the internals if needed. It only gives the most basic information like ride mode, Auto Shift on or off and remaining battery charge in percent, as well as service mode info. The bike's on/off switch is located at the top, a button below allows for shifting through the ride modes. The charging port sits in front of the motor and is covered by a soft rubber protective cover.

Propain picked SRAM's lighter 630Wh battery (compared to the also available 720Wh version) with a weight of 3,100 grams, including the aluminum shell. For longer rides, the Ekano 2 CF can be used with the Range Extender battery with an extra 250Wh of capacity. You'll have to sacrifice your water bottle, but a smart solution allows you to snap your bottle cage into the Range Extender battery's frame adapter with a fitting counter-piece, when not using the extra battery. The Range Extender only draws power when in Range mode.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner
90-degree finger lock.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
The battery cover is made from carbon as well.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner
The battery will never fall out, thanks to a massive bolt.
PHOTO Stefan Eigner
Ring with six magnets for detailed measuring at the sensor.

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250Wh Range Extender.
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The base plate for the battery can always stay on the bike. A top plate for your bottle cage can clip in instead of the battery.


Geometry

Compared to the Ekano 2 AL, the CF version's geometry is identical in most aspects. Most noticeable differences show in the real seat angle (1.6 degrees slacker on the CF) and chainstay length (8 mm longer on the CF with 453 mm length).

Four sizes are part of the program, starting with a reach of 410 mm on the size S and going up to 480 mm for the XL). Head angle sits at 64 degrees, effective seat angle at 78 degrees. Seat tube lengths are on the longer side, for frame size S and M 25 mm shorter than reach, L 20 mm and XL only 15 mm.

You can swap between a 29" or 27.5" rear wheel via a flip chip to maintain geometry. If you decide to swap the size of the rear wheel after having decided on either size from the store, SRAM's system would notice the tampering and shut down. So you'd have to go to a dealer and have the system set in order to accept the change.


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Suspension Design

The frame of the Ekano CF delivers 170mm of rear wheel travel, coupled with a 180mm travel fork at the front. With a 205 x 60 mm trunnion shock length, the average leverage ratio is 2.83 : 1.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner

The frame might look strikingly similar to the Ekano 2 AL with a fully floating vertical shock mount and real PRO10 suspension system integration, but the kinematics show differences in some regards. The Ekano 2 CF's anti-squat curve starts even higher at 135% (compared to 122% on the AL) and at a recommended sag of 30% the anti-squat value is still pretty high at 132%. It only drops to 130% up until halfway through the travel. Beyond that, it drops off quickly in order to allow the suspension to be more active deeper in the travel.

While the Ekano 2 AL's progression throughout the travel adds up to 30%, the Ekano 2 CF is totaling a whopping 40%. That helps to deliver support in the mid-stroke and massive bottom-out protection.

Compared to the Tyee 6 for example, the magnified axle path of the Ekano 2 CF describes a slightly straighter path that doesn't dive forward as much throughout the travel, something that should minimally benefit the rollover capabilities of the suspension.

PHOTO Stefan Eigner


Specifications

Apart from fully customizable bikes from a huge selection of components, Propain is offering three pre-configured build kits to make the selection easier. All build kits come with SRAM's Eagle Transmission in order for being able to fully utilize their Auto Shift and Coast Shift function. Prices in EUR/GBP are the same as US $.

The Base package comes to US $ 7,794 and features a RockShox ZEB Base with Super Deluxe Coil Select shock, SRAM GX Eagle Transmission and SRAM DB8 brakes.

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Ultimate raises the cost to $ 9,999 with a RockShox ZEB Ultimate and Vivid Ultimate rear shock as well as SRAM's X0 Eagle Transmission and Code RSC brakes.

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Hitting five digits is the Factory build kit at $ 11,299 with Fox 38 Factory and DHX2 coil shock, SRAM XX Eagle Transmission and Magura MT7 brakes.

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The total weight of the Ekano 2 CF starts at 22.8 kg for a size M.

You can order the bike from the day of the launch but it will take a few weeks to get to your doorstep.




I've experienced Propain's PRO10 suspension system on quite a few models over the past years. Its adaptability to different riding categories is quite impressive. For the new e-bike models they seem to have pushed the values to cater more to the needs or possibilities of e-bikes without sacrificing their efficient overall feel. With the carbon version they have implemented quite extreme values in terms of anti-squat and progression that stray from the broad mass of e-bike suspension kinematics out there. Out on the trail it really seems to pay off in achieving a specific feel of the Ekano 2 CF series.

PRO10 has always been good at negating bobbing effects of the suspension, but the Ekano 2 CF seems to be even more of an exceptional pedaler. Not that it seems to matter as much with e-bikes in general, but the rear end of the Ekano 2 CF hardly moves under pedaling influences when seated and feels much more like a bike with less travel than a 170 mm big-hit machine. Still, the rear can react sensitively to bumps when it needs to, efficiently floating over obstacles of different sizes on the ups and downs. This doesn't necessarily instill the super plush feeling of other concepts with similar travel, but pushes it into an interesting segment that feels very efficient anywhere it goes with the possibility to take really hard hits without feeling overwhelmed.

It was poppy on a small jump trail we hit, yet stayed on track vigilantly when masses of roots came into play. As a general rule, the suspension gobbled up hits on loamy tracks with roots and some small man-made stunts with authority. Of course, it will take some longer term experiences to show how it tackles rock-littered sections and a variety of other scenarios, but going by the initial impressions, my expectations are at a high level.

The only situation during my initial ride where I could notice the bike coming to the end of its travel was when dropping into a g-out at speed. I haven't spent any time on RockShox' new Vivid shock previously to riding the Ekano CF, so it was hard to figure out how much of the kinematic or shock's Hydraulic Bottom Out function was responsible for the distinctive but not necessarily harsh stop at the end of travel. Thinking about that it was only a Vivid Select that was mounted on the test bike, the Ultimate with more compression adjustments might change the overall suspension feel some more.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner


Being a proponent of longer chainstays, especially with longer frames, I liked the balanced feel that the 453 chainstays awarded the Ekano CF's handling with. The size L frame still felt plenty maneuverable, aided by the reasonable weight (for a full-power eMTB) of around 23 kg with pedals. Compared to some of the battleships out there these days, that value adds to a rather natural handling of the Ekano 2 CF.

SRAM's Powertrain system matches the character of the bike well and delivers a power output that feels very natural yet powerful, as it is known from Brose hardware. The fact that it doesn't rattle at all compared to two of the biggest competitors' motors makes it a winner in my book already. It's great that the Ekano CF rolls through the rough entirely silent – the tidy cockpit, foam covered cables inside the frame and chainstay protector do their job.

The 630 Wh battery might not be the biggest, but to be fair, for most riders and most rides it will offer plenty of reach. It's only an assumption at this point, but the fact that the Range Extender can only draw power in Range ride mode seems somewhat peculiar to me. If I effectively have a battery capacity of 880Wh available, it seems like I should be able to waste battery power however I'd like.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner


As an initial impression of the Auto Shift function, I can see its appeal to the broad masses that aren't looking to conquer super technical climbs or rely on the perfect gearing for aggressive rides on the way down. Since the system takes a bit to analyze all the inputs and can't predict the terrain features that are coming up, it's not able to find the right gear all of the time. The fine adjustment is helpful to match your preferred cadence style, so on more mellow climbs it's an option to turn it on. Also, being able to manually override the selection at any point for five seconds helps. In the end, I very much doubt that many riders trying to push hard up or down the hill are going to rely on the Auto Shift function.

Coast Shift, however, is great in every aspect, and once your head is going to wrap around the idea that you can shift without having to pedal, it's only going to help you find the correct gearing for the track ahead that much faster.

I feel a bit like a broken record, never having been impressed with Propain's ratio between reach and seat post length. With a length of 455 mm on the size L, measuring more like 460 mm with the seat collar installed, a difference of 15 mm shorter than reach is nothing to write home about. Smaller riders might feel it hard to step up to larger frame sizes and still ride longer dropper posts to get the saddle out of the way for better handling, and even larger riders might have issues equipping dropper posts with a really long drop. It appears that making the PRO10 system fit with a continuous seat tube is a challenge, although the use of longer chainstays on the CF would suggest that it shouldn't be an unsolvable problem.

Either way, accepting that it's probably not high on Propain's or Propain customers' list of priorities, we'll keep advocating for geometry concepts that allow for riders to choose from as wide a selection of frame sizes as possible.


PHOTO Stefan Eigner


Time will tell if the soft protective cover of the charging port is going to give issues in long-term-use. Sometimes we see issues with them easily popping out after a while, sometimes not. The one on my early production frame didn't sit very tightly, so we'll see. Since it's located in one of the more exposed areas of the frame – close to the bottle mounts so the Range Extender can be connected with an extra cable – it would be twice as important if it sealed well.

With my parts package (close to the Ultimate Build Kit) the top button of my left SRAM Pod was used to cycle through the ride modes, with the bottom to activate the AXS dropper post. Through the AXS app you could swap the assigned buttons in every way you'd want. If the Ekano CF comes equipped with a mechanical dropper post, it doesn't get a left Pod altogether as it would conflict with the dropper remote. Then you can still cycle through the ride modes with the display on the top tube. Alternatively, there are mechanical dropper remotes that don't conflict with a SRAM Pod on the lefthand side of the bar.

To sum it up, the Ekano 2 CF seems to be a highly refined machine with lots of clever details and a distinct ride feel that I'm sure will integrate seamlessly into Propain's ever-growing portfolio.





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126 Comments
  • 120 5
 Wireless shifting now has wires. What a time to be alive.
  • 18 12
 They even market it as "no additional charging necessary" on an ebike. What a joke
  • 11 5
 At least those particular wires don't go through the headset.
  • 14 0
 @bigtim: Wait for it
  • 3 0
 Wonder if you can get the extension lead for the dropper
  • 8 0
 Shimano Di2 is blushing.....
  • 3 0
 To be honest, detachable electric cables are not a real concern as long as you hare shoving the brake hoses trough the headset.
  • 1 3
 Wireless shifting now has cables
  • 8 2
 Yep. It’s like SRAM just realised what shimano figured out a decade ago
  • 2 0
 Next gen Wireless controlled cables.
  • 71 7
 Oh can you please fuck off with that cable routing propain.
  • 7 2
 Riders (especially those, who repair their bikes themselves) should boycott these companies (and/or bike models), forcing them to erase this nonsense trend.
Even if you're not touching your bike with tools, you're affected aswell, because of higher repair bills / repair times @ your favourite bikeshop (not to mention, there is even more possibility of a human error during the wormanship).
  • 1 3
 @atiboa: The only harder thing to maintain would be the headset bearings, no? I don’t mind paying a bit extra for that if it makes my bike look cleaner. My Orbea Wild has very durable headset bearings that should last a long time, and I like the way the cable routing looks, for the most part.
  • 27 0
 Sick they considered bar spins when cutting that front brake hose to length
  • 6 0
 With the Acros Blocklock in place they clearly don't want barspins to be done.
  • 1 0
 you could spin it multiple times in one direction for how generous they were with leaving that hose length!
  • 6 0
 e-slopstyle probably
  • 1 0
 An easy way to differentiate it by weight from the top tier bike.
"Pay more, if you don't want useless sht on your bike!"
  • 22 0
 Propain really needs a model called the Hank Hill.
  • 9 0
 I tell you hwhat.
  • 3 0
 Or 'accessories'
  • 5 0
 Yes, and a 'Strickland' one as well.
  • 13 1
 These new SRAM Ebikes are too expensive. I'm genuinely curious how many they are going to sell at full price when we see all the bicycle stuff being discounted.
  • 4 0
 Propain in general has raised their prices heavily during covid and even after it. They used to be insanely good value for the money in EU. Still decent but far from what was 4 years ago.
  • 1 0
 @flickr: My buddy got a Tyee frameset over the winter for $1800. Pretty crazy for a CF frame.
  • 15 1
 "powertrain" makes me throw up a little
  • 2 1
 Transmission too
  • 8 0
 Ok I know it's been said a thousand times in the PB comments but wtf is up with headset cable routing does anybody like it? it looks shit and it's a pain from a bike mechanic standpoint because I'm the person who has to fix it when you bring it into the shop because you f*cked it up doing it yourself. other than that I'm excited to see what type is integration the Sram Brose system can do it's like the Apple ecosystem I hope. but i also feel like its being advertised as new tech but Shimano has been doing to for a while now.
  • 3 8
flag chrismac70 FL (Oct 12, 2023 at 13:05) (Below Threshold)
 I like it and would gladly spend the extra 10 minutes to set it up. It’s so much cleaner looking. It’s not as if changing bar height or brake hoses are a frequent job
  • 5 0
 Yeah have one absolutely hate it. I haven't even routed anything but just taking the fork off for an oil change is difficult. I no longer take it off for lowers service. I will never buy another headset routed bike. Easier to manufacture as you don't need the extra moulding on the frame but they didn't consider if it's actually worth it for the consumer.
  • 1 1
 For the most part I like how it looks on my Orbea Wild. Just extra maintenance for changing the headset but that’s not something I have to do a lot
  • 1 0
 you know you don't have to buy it right?
  • 1 0
 @Hazzas: i wont but i still have to work on them
  • 9 2
 I'm rooting for the SRAM/Brose motor, I really am. But they (Brose) have a really long way to claw their brand back. When a motor fails on someone, it makes them lose faith in emtb, and fuels the skepticism. Many Brose motors have failed in normal everyday use, and even in EWS-E races.
Personally, I am not touching any ebike that isn't Shimano or Bosch. 2,500 hard miles on my Shimano E8000 with zero issues. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Once again, Shimano is both cheaper and more reliable.
  • 8 0
 The ep8 hasn't proven as reliable as he e8000, my e8000 has 3.5k miles with no issues. Bosch is the only motor I'm considering, though the bafang on the Vitus e-escarpe is a possible option too, mainly because bafang sell pretty much every piece as a spare, and they've got a good reliability record in the homebrew market.
  • 3 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: Yamaha makes the most reliable motors on the market.
  • 1 0
 @OneTrustMan: true, but they're not on many bigger brands other than giant, and giant use small shocks for the travel meaning they don't work for chonkers like myself.
  • 9 2
 I’m glad to see bike companies moving away from the shimano ep8. That motor was by far the worst motor ever produced. It was rushed to market. I think SRAM taking their time with testing and partnering with Brose makes sense. Even though the original Brose had major issues they seem to be getting more dialed. Shimano however are still blowing ep8s up worldwide daily.
  • 5 0
 The Shimano EP8 is my favorite motor. Zero issues on multiple copies. my 2023 Levo Brose motor blew up within the first 15 minutes of the first ride. It’s been rocksolid since it’s replacement, though.
  • 3 2
 I find it hilarious that sram are trying to market a 4 year old engine as new along with wired wireless shifting.
  • 2 0
 @PHX77: EP8 is the weakest motor with least range. About 20% less than competitors which all fall in the 1450m range for a 750Wh battery.
  • 3 0
 @Bunabe: it is an energy hungry motor for sure. But my batteries have always been enough for me. I think the power delivery and the sound is the best of the three. That’s just like, my opinion, man.
  • 1 0
 @Bunabe: Interesting, does it consume more than the old E8000 then?
I have the E8000 myself with a 720Wh battery, and the range is between 1700-1900m vert depends on the terrain and riding mainly in trail (90% assistance).
  • 1 0
 How does Bosch compare to the big 2?
  • 2 0
 @kanioni: I love my Bosch motor. Powerful, efficient, and smooth. I just wish it was quieter. I think the general consensus is that it’s the most reliable motor, but maybe someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
  • 1 0
 @PHX77: I own a Bosch CX and an EP8 and the Bosch is faster on a medium effort than the EP8 is on a max effort. The power delivery is the weakest out of all the motors. You can get similar performance from the other motors by switching to a lower powered mode. EP8 feeling "natural" is just code language for it being a weak motor in terms of power delivery. If you are buying an EP8 you are getting less for your money.
  • 1 0
 @Brodybro29: When we are talking about power numbers it's always on the highest power mode. Trail is significantly weaker than boost so no you are not getting 1700-1900m on the highest mode.

I don't know how the E8000 compares I would guess it's weaker than the EP8. Does that mean it has more range? I have no idea. Not planning on buying old motors so don't care to find out. That's really up to you to dig if you want an answer.

The reason bike radar had good numbers for the EP8 is because they used the wrong profile using 70Nm and not the full power 85Nm. But Sam's Ebikes has the correct vert numbers. Shimano EP8 around 1250m and the rest Bosch, Brose, Yamaha around 1450m. And my understanding is Pinion and Bafang also correlate closer to that 1450m number but not entirely sure of that. And on a 750Wh battery. I can confirm the numbers for Bosch and Ep8 as I've had both.
  • 6 0
 What does weight "starts at 22,8 kg" mean??

Looks like a sweet ride, but alarming that the range extender only works in eco mode. Curious if that is a caveat of this new Sram motor in general? Haven't read the press release for that closely.

Also curious if there is any good info about the efficiency of the new motor? Because 630wh on a 90nm bike seems massively insufficient. If I wanna ride 20 miles I'll just ride a normal bike.
  • 2 1
 It isn't said but the range extender probably works like a charger instead of a second battery. The power draw from the other mode would likely be greater than the extenders charging rate.
  • 2 0
 @m47h13u: Interesting, I don't know anything about range extenders has this been the case with other range extenders too?
  • 2 0
 @venturavin: on my Levo SL you can select it to draw from the range extender first or equally with the bike and it doesn’t effect power delivery at all.
  • 1 0
 @venturavin: I own a Focus Jam2 (2019 model) with Shimano E8000 motor. Using it w/ range extender, and frequently switching between the assist modes (when it's neccessary) noticed the main battery, and the "extender" drained in parallel. So my answer would be: not every ebike system works the same way.
  • 6 0
 I was hoping with SRAM's history of making serviceable components their eMTB motor would be the same. However, that doesn't appear to be the case, meaning we still don't have an eMTB motor which is officially serviceable. That's just insane for how much eMTBs cost and how much replacement motors cost.
  • 2 1
 Imagine your deep in the back country and had to change a tire or something and it malfunctioned -
"SRAM's system would notice the tampering and shut down. So you'd have to go to a dealer and have the system set in order to accept the change."
  • 3 2
 What can you service in a brushless motor though? The core is one big bundle which I doubt spares are made for probably 1:1 mfg with the motors, the magnets would be the same thing I think, so what's left the circuit board? Other than swap out, don't see many people studying capacitors and transistors to solder the correct ones in. Really don't know how those motors would be end user serviceable?
  • 1 0
 @ccrida-pnw: that's crazy to me, you can even decide Ona whim to go mullet you have to go to a shop.
  • 1 7
flag chrismac70 FL (Oct 12, 2023 at 13:03) (Below Threshold)
 When did sram ever make anything serviceable. You can let even change a shift cable without taking the shifter off the bike and disassembling it
  • 1 0
 @ccrida-pnw: What change?
  • 3 0
 @FaahkEet: You do realize these contain more than just a motor, right?
Also, the answer is bearings.
  • 1 1
 @nickfranko: well it was specifically about the motor being serviceable so...
  • 2 0
 @FaahkEet: There's a lot more than just the motor. There are electronics, bearings, seals, torque sensor, and reduction gears or belt.
  • 1 0
 @FaahkEet: On an eMTB the entire package is called the motor.
  • 7 1
 Should I even bother with any of the e-MTB's out there, I hear many people stating that the Pinion MGU is the way to go over any of them.
  • 2 0
 yeah i can't wait to try a pinion bike
  • 1 1
 @fiekaodclked: I've also considered buying a carbon frame from a few Chinese factories, buying the motors and batteries, and building my own bicycle; It can't be that hard with the right parts or friends with tools.

Being house poor sucks. Frown
  • 3 0
 Lighter than the other SRAM bikes, and decent GX builds coming in under $9k. To me, this is the most interesting to me of the SRAM bikes so far. I'd like the option to save $500 and have a cable-actuated dropper. Smaller/lighter battery + a RE is a good design, 630 will be plenty for most all of us. I'm really still not sold on electronic shifting though, or full-power (having owned one). A mid power version of this bike at 45lbs would be even better.
  • 1 0
 Can you not switch out the headset routing like you can on the Orbea Wild? I was excited about this bike since I can drop the battery for travel trips on planes since my Rise cant do that and few bikes can other than the Transition Relay. I cant for the life of me understand why they would only give us two power modes and an extender that only works on Eco? why would we not get to configure the power modes like on every other ebike and is an extender useful if it cant work on boost or trail?
  • 2 1
 Oh integrated headset routing. Hell no. I have one now. Never buying an another one. Otherwise looks like a pretty nice bike. I use to take the fork off for lowers oil change but I no longer do because it's such a pain to get the integrated headset back into place. Not routing anything just getting the monstrosity back in place with the wires in correct channels.
  • 5 1
 I would choose this one over the heckler any day
  • 4 0
 I'd vastly prefer a Heckler SL or Relay over either. Nice to see there's choice in the market now.
  • 4 0
 How does the motor know if you have swapped rear wheel size?
  • 1 0
 different diameter = different speed at which the limiter engages
so the reason is liability
  • 5 0
 @flupke73: But how does it know? It knows motor speed and wheel speed, but unless it has GPS I don't see how it can determine the bike speed.
If you fit a larger wheel, the wheel speed sensor will read a little bit quicker relative to motor speed, but that's the same as if you just changed up a gear or fitted one step larger chainring.
  • 4 0
 @rojo-1: If you change the rear wheel size you will have to go to your friendly dealer to have this set up within the motor software! Especially if you change from 27.5 to 29 because the 29er turns slower thus allowing a higher speed.
Better read the warranty conditions.
  • 4 4
 @rojo-1: Doubtful that there is any way for the motor to sense the wheel size. SRAM is probably just completely lying and claiming this for completely paranoid liability reasons.
You can put a larger wheel on any e bike if it will fit and it will go slightly above the top speed limit.
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 @yoobee: Where are these dealers? Propain has no dealers. Would any shop that sells SRAM be able to do that?
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: It knows what gear you're in and should be able to determine what rotational speed it should expect with a given wheel size. This is the only ebike system that has all that data. That makes me wonder if you're locked into a AXS shifter and SRAM cassette on something like this as well as the wheel size.
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 @slovenian6474: this means you can't change chainring size or cassette teeth either which seems overly restrictive. I reckon they might be bluffing as per dual crown addict's suggestion. Do they really care enough about you going 5% faster to build in all this inconvenience?
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 @rojo-1: I think I'm wrong on my above point. But also, no, I don't care about the added 5%.
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 @slovenian6474: you are liked in because there is a transponder in the cassette so it knows when it will change gears after you have pressed the button. That’s why it shifts so slowly
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 @chrismac70: I think I get it now. There is only 1 chainring, and 1 T-type compatible cassette available (T-type knows what gear it is in). You can never change cassette or chainring so T-type always knows the ratio you are in, motor speed and wheel speed so it can detect if you have changed. Bad luck if you want to change cassette or chainring, you're locked into SRAM forever.
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 Brose before hose i guess
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 OK: I hope people read this far in the comments, b/c: Comment Gold.

Bravo, Sir. Bravo. Wink
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 Another Propain that does not accommodate long-drop seatposts - lame! I returned a Spindrift when I realized that the longest dropper I could use on it was 160! On the Spire I replaced it with, I have a 210.
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 Anybody wanna help make a petition to end cable tourism?
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 what to stop calling it tourism?? I mean you can't stop cables and hoses going through a frame??
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 @PapaJohn-s4p: Fair enough
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 @PapaJohn-s4p: call them militants !
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 cable terrorism
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 Propain bikes always look awesome. They do a great job on all their bikes.
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 Where is a photo of cockpit where cable actuated dropper post leaver attached to AXS pod controller (one for motor)?
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 No pod on the left side if you have a cable-actuated dropper. You'd get a regular remote and would change assist modes with the display button.
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 Changing assist modes by pushing a button the the top tube sounds terrible. There has to be a dropper lever that can be added without interfering with the motor remote.
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 @Evo6: Maybe an old 2x style lever.
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 Headset cable routing but then external cable routing around the BB and down the chainstay? Pick a path Propain.
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 Great to see so many choices out there for those who enjoy assisted riding.
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 I was into it until I noticed the cable routing through the headset . #noonelikesthis
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 3 reasons I wouldn’t want one: SRAM, cable routing through headset, motor too exposed
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 one out of 3 aint bad .
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 A hair over 50lbs. You know, since they conveniently left that out of the details box.
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 Where's levy?
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 Hopefully riding his bike and having fun away from the Internet.
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 Touring the USA with Birds Aren't Real.
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 Thinking why you care so much
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 Headset cable routing was the last straw
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 Do the squish video
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 That front brake hose looks so terrible...
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 All I needed to see was the first pic which showed headset cable routing to say nope
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 Want, but i'll wait for a sale
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 Cable tourism, 453 chainstay across the board-why?
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 what the heck is "bike park approval"?
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 I’d have the code rsc over magura mt7 brakes all day long ! Nice looking bike but can’t see many sold in the Uk
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 Yeah I'd prefer the modulation as well but for ebikes there's a genuine need for stopping power.
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 @Bunabe: RSC’s paired with the thicker HS2 discs are a great combo and not made from a plastic compound like the MT7 !
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 cant wait to see remy drop gouranga on it
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 New e-mtb...7 year old tech.
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 C3H8 Powered?
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 Looks like an RM 250
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 Brose .... good luck!
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